FORKNI-L

FORKNI-L Digest - 22 Sep 2002 to 23 Sep 2002 (#2002-281)

Mon, 23 Sep 2002

There are 13 messages totalling 443 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. What a war is
  2. How I got my FK reputation (3)
  3. Intro to FK
  4. how did you get your FK reputation? (4)
  5. How I got my FK Reputation
  6. This may be the time for FK on DVD (2)
  7. Introduction to FK

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Date:    Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:08:09 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: What a war is

A Forever Knight war is a large round-robin which takes place on Fkfic-l.
It's a form of role-playing game, but not in the sense the RPGers understand
the term. There are no points and you play yourself, possibily with somewhat
exaggerated abilities.  The whole thing is intended to be a comedy of
errors. Think of an online virtual party which is _supposed_ to get out of
hand.

In wartime, a situation involving the FK characters arises in Toronto, and
their factions rally to them. A period of silly attacks between factions and
sometimes individuals ensues.  The time Cherri Munoz was glued into the cow
suit has been mentioned.  Once I played as an independent and introduced
glowing pink rats into CERK. (Normally I'm a Cousin, not that this keeps me
out of trouble with LC and the Cousins. I once ended up chasing LC with a
pack of spirit werewolves, an undead lobster and a pot of garlic butter. Oh,
yes, and a demented cat. Now do you see why my persona is rarely sober in
wartime? <G>)

Each war is a little different, because the premise changes with the war
master/mistress. The WM comes up with an idea, is chosen by Don and me, and
has the final word in disputes or conflicts. Don and I reserve the right to
stop the war because as listowners we're ultimately responsible for list
content.  You don't have to play in the war (i.e., write posts or allow
someone else to write you into posts) to read the war.

We don't plan on a war this year, simply because it takes so much time
behind the scenes. The times have to be chosen so as many people as possible
can play. This means allowing for holidays and exam schedules.  Note: wars
no longer start without plenty of warning so that people who don't want to
play or read the war can get set their Fkfic-l options accordingly. Also, we
have to get permission slips for anyone who plans to appear in the war in
any way, even if it's someone else's writings. This is because PSU almost
got sued on one occasion by Aaron Spelling after a story on Fkfic-l used him
and his daughter Tori as characters. It's the reason we also have the rule
against any real person as a character any time, unless the writer has
written/email permission from the person.

McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
"That will be trouble".
Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:49:28 -0500
From:    Lisa Luksus <tokaara@m.......>
Subject: Re: How I got my FK reputation

At 01:46 PM 9/21/02, mclisa typed these words:
>In two of the wars since then, I haven't played with the Cousins and haven't
>been fictionally plastered. The first time I had hit my head while
>introducing about a thousand glowing pink rats into CERK..

There were only a thousand of those little suckers?  I think we're *still*
finding occasional pink rats in the place.



Cousin Tok
and the Cousinly kitties
tokaara@m....... / AIM Tokaara / ICQ 46441308

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Date:    Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:35:39 -0700
From:    LeeAnn <leeann@d.......>
Subject: Intro to FK

I've been reading people's intro to Forever Knight anecdotes with great
interest, and thought I'd chime in too.

My introduction to FK came via the fanfiction.  I was working for the summer in
Ottawa, in August 1997, and my boss really didn't know what to do with a
student intern, so I had a *lot* of extra time on my hands during the day,
surfing the 'net.

I had always been into vampires - Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, Mercedes Lackey's Diana
Tregarde books, Tanya Huff - vampires, vampires and detectives - very cool
stuff.  I had found a reference to a vampire novel where the vampire was a cop -
 but I couldn't find the book anywhere, as it was out of print.  (Lee
Killough's Blood Walk, fyi)

So, one afternoon on the 'net I put in a search for "vampire cop" and found -
treasure of treasures - www.fkfanfic.com!

This was my first experience with fanfic - so I went in search of information
about the show.  Of course, the first thing I found out was that it was
cancelled. Just my luck, of course.  I accepted the fact that I would never
actually see an episode, and continued to read fiction.  I found and joined
FORKNI-L and FKFIC-L and FKV4S-L - new fiction!

Then, running through the TV guide in mid-August - Forever Knight on the local
cable station!  I started with Dark Knight Part II, and was immediately hooked.

Problem:  This was my last week in Ottawa.  I was moving back to British
Columbia to finish my last year of University, and this station wasn't
available in Victoria.

The next few weeks were a blur, as I moved back to BC, found a place to live
and started school.  When things calmed down, I started checking out the local
tv listings - and lo and behold - a new tv station - VTV - which began airing
in September of that year - was playing Forever Knight.  I invested in video
tapes and the rest is history.

I'm a lurker on this, and several other lists, I played in a war as a
Ravenette, and I don't think I have a reputation.  I've written a couple of
stories - nothing recent.  And I've met Ger <woohoo!> and some really, really
awesome people (FKinSD rules!!!) through the fandom.

Who knew that an afternoon of surfing would lead to all this?

LeeAnn Pultz

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Date:    Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:01:52 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: How I got my FK reputation

I don't think I have an FK reputation...unless you consider my penchant for
tormenting Nick with vegetables, accordions, and other annoyances in my fanfic.

I did play in War 11 in the UF, but I was a good little soldier and followed our
fearless leaders. My dachshund, Carrie Ann, did lick Lacroix on the nose. She
thought he was quite charming. <g>

I wish I could be colorful online, but alas, I leave that to others!

Nancy Kaminski
reputationless and nicknameless

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Date:    Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:02:40 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: how did you get your FK reputation?

I have been to a war, a miniwar, 3 auctions (even donated
stuff to an auction,)5 FK lists, 1 bboard, 3 chatrooms and 2
FK gatherings (San Diego.) I have a FK website I update
regularly and have written 4 FK stories--one a novel which
was nominated for the 2001 fanfiction awards. People who are
on the same lists as I am tell me that I am a vocal person,
and that they see me comment about things a lot. Yet, I don't
have a FK reputation, never remember having one. To me, it's
a source of wonder how people coming out of lurkdom talk
about theirs. Makes me think how much time or effort it takes
you to get one. Or is it one of those things, like dating,
that doesn't have any rules and you just happen to get one if
you're lucky.

PS. If anyone knows anything about my missing reputation I'd
love to from them.

=====
LaCountess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
http://www.lacountess.com/FKnight/

"Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!"
--Homer Simpson

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Date:    Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:59:12 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: how did you get your FK reputation?

In a message dated 9/22/02 9:03:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
countessa2000@y....... writes:

<< PS. If anyone knows anything about my missing reputation I'd
 love to from them. >>
Uhr... Duz tha' mean h'if the Ratpackers h'admit wot ta givin'
rep-peat-tat-tations a, uhr, holly-daze from their h'owners, we won't get
h'in inny trubble, eh? Ya might h'even give h'uz some choccy or toasted cheez
h'on rye h'iffen we jest 'appen to 'ave h'it?

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:31:39 -0400
From:    Marg <mytoronto@r.......>
Subject: How I got my FK Reputation

I guess I have a reputation, of sorts although I'm mostly a lurker here.
<g>

I've been a fan right from the beginning, when FK first aired in Canada
in 1992.  I taped the show, chasing it all over the dial until I got all
of first season. At that time, I wasn't online but an article in the
local newspaper said that the production staff read the comments posted
by fans on the Internet. That article prompted me to buy a computer and
a modem.

It took me several weeks of flailing around before I found FORKNI. (The
WWW was in it's infancy in those days and Google was still some years in
the future). There, I learned that the version of FK that aired in the
US was badly chopped up and that the "Canadian version" was a highly
coveted item. I tentatively offered to make a copy of my tapes and was
inundated with offers of everything from chocolates to first-born sons.
Thus began my second career. <g>

After Will left Toronto, I started taking visitors on the Toronto FK
Films sites Tour. In the last 5 or 6 years, I think I've taken hundreds
of people to the Raven, Nick's Loft and other places. It's been great to
meet so many fans of the show.

--
Marg  <mytoronto@r.......>
In Toronto, the City of the Knight

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Date:    Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:50:21 -0400
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant@h.......>
Subject: This may be the time for FK on DVD

Hey -
Now might be the time to really campaign hard for FK on DVD.  Two of my
favorite series are coming out on dvd - Due South and Once & Again, neither
was a runaway hit.  Granted Due South is not available in the states, but I
have pre ordered it from Chapters online.  I never thought either one of
these shows would ever come to DVD, but both have a very loyal fan base.  I
know the OA fans were taking out ads in  the Hollywood reporter and on
billboards when we found out the show was being cancelled and the DS fans
have been known to be a 'loud' bunch when it comes to what they want with
the show.
Both sets are the entire first seasons and are licensed by the respective
studios, so maybe we should step up the quest for FK on DVD.  Myabe there's
hope for us.
-Amanda

"Peace over anger. Honor over hate. Strength over fear."
http://operacellar.tripod.com/phantomslair.html
or
http://debrabantfoundation.tripod.com/home.html
  (in progress - soon to be an FK Charity site - I will gladly share the
space with others if people want)

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Date:    Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:31:28 EDT
From:    SField8067@a.......
Subject: Re: This may be the time for FK on DVD

>>>>Hey -
Now might be the time to really campaign hard for FK on DVD.<<<<<

KtK is definatly going ahead with projects to try to make this happen.
stay tuned :0
all the best,
susan
SField8067@a.......
KtK Fearless Leader

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Date:    Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:20:39 EDT
From:    Torrey Bruley <TorreyRN@a.......>
Subject: Re: how did you get your FK reputation?

In a message dated 9/22/2002 7:03:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
countessa2000@y....... writes:


> To me, it's
> a source of wonder how people coming out of lurkdom talk
> about theirs. Makes me think how much time or effort it takes
> you to get one. Or is it one of those things, like dating,
> that doesn't have any rules and you just happen to get one if
> you're lucky.
>

   Some of us lurk because of the lasting effects of getting our reputation.
After two Wars I was no longer able to form a coherent thought much less type
<lol>. I still have a twitch in my left eye all of these years later <g>. The
amount of effort to lead or participate in a war can be overwhelming .... but
worth every twitch. I made some great friends, and the challenge of writing
in a quickly changing environment is something every writer should
experience. There is nothing quite like having all of your well laid plans
shattered by a well thought out Merc. attack. Not to mention the general
insanity of being stalked by cousins. It is a wonderful time < that can
quickly lead you to drink>.

Torrey The Lost Vaquera

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Date:    Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:47:44 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <llamababe@c.......>
Subject: Re: how did you get your FK reputation?

Sunny wrote:
<snip> To me, it's a source of wonder how people coming out of lurkdom
talk about theirs. Makes me think how much time or effort it takes you
to get one. Or is it one of those things, like dating, that doesn't
have any rules and you just happen to get one if you're lucky.<snip>

I remember lots of time and effort, I retired NunkAnon stuff because
it took too much of both to do year round. Luck has a lot to do with a
reputation, though, good and bad. Bad as in being unlucky enough to do
something that causes an uproar, leaving you marked in some people's
memory forever as 'the person who did such and such.' Bonnie Pardoe
brought up being the first person to be kicked out of a faction,
McLisa mentioned Sushi's 'real people in fanfic w/o permission'
mishap, and I've got my War 9 'LaCroix's ultimatum' uproar, which I
didn't rehash. And, Sunny, aren't you the person who posted a list of
fanfic likes and dislikes that created a tizzy? Sometimes we
accidentally do things that create more of a reaction than we expect.

Then there's good luck, as in being the first to do something -
there's lots of webpages, but only one 'First Unofficial FK Website.'
And Mel Moser did a lot in the fandom as a fanfic writer and a N&NP.
She hosted the Nunkies Anonymous listerv, too, but the first thing
that comes to mind with Mel's name is the fkfanfic.com. Starting new
factions - that's still going on, but not every faction grows large
enough for people to necessarily remember them (the Scorpions or the
Cohenheads, for example), and since Wars now have faction restrictions
as to who can play, there are few opportunities for newer factions to
make a name for themselves through war fic as Nunk Anon and the Dark
Perks did (but, hey, I remember Sunny's CotK posts from last War
featuring the Roberto Benigni cab driver, even if there was a mistake
made archiving them!). Unfortunately, having the reputation for being
the original so-and-so favors the people who joined the fandom sooner,
rather than later.


<waves>

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Bonnie Rutledge<----------------------------Omnifemale Llama!
llamababe@c....... ..... I Support 'Save the Music'
      Because Music Is Part Of A Complete Education
        http://www.vh1.com/partners/save_the_music/

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Date:    Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:53:40 EDT
From:    Lisa Knust <LthePoet@a.......>
Subject: Re: Introduction to FK

Hi!
       I have so enjoyed reading various tales of FK discovery that I thought
I'd do the quickest version possible of my own.
       I've been interested in vampires since I was 11 or so.  One day way
back in 1992 (I think), I was reading my parents' copy of Entertainment
Weekly, and I saw a little article about FK in their TV reviews section,
accompanied by a small photo of Ger all vamped out.  At that time I was
video-taping anything remotely containing vampires..which led to the
acquisition of quite a few late night Cinemax horror movies containing stuff
that a 13 year-old really had little business watching, but that's another
story.
       So I popped in my tape for Crimetime After Primetime and got my 1st FK
ep "Dance by the Light of the Moon."  Not a favorite episode, but I came back
for more until I had the whole 1st season (mostly in reruns).  I was sad when
I saw it was cancelled, and surprised when months and months later I stumbled
across new FK in its 2nd season in graveyard syndication.
       I was still very excited about it when I went off to college in the
fall of '95 and was introduced to the internet, so I typed it in a yahoo
search on the old-school text web browser and found Mr. Happy's FK page and
the forkni-l community.  I joined up right away. I was so shocked and
overjoyed to have found people who liked this show that no one I knew had
ever heard of.  :)  From there I would spend oodles of my school's money and
many trees printing forkni-l digests on the dot matrix printers to take to
read in boring lectures.  :)  I have been on and off this list for the 7
years since, mostly lurking, but still overjoyed to share the love of FK.

Lisa Knust
LthePoet@a.......

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Date:    Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:20:32 -0400
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: How I got my FK reputation

On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:49:28 -0500 Lisa Luksus <tokaara@m.......> wrote:


> At 01:46 PM 9/21/02, mclisa typed these words:
> I hit my head while introducing about a thousand glowing pink rats
> into CERK..

>> There were only a thousand of those little
>> suckers?  I think we're *still*
>> finding occasional pink rats in the place.

Hey, they're genetically altered real mice, remember? So even if you only
missed one male and one female, you now have glowing pink baby rats. Lots of
them!

McL, who regards this as one of her more successful efforts :) But so far, I
haven't been able to locate even one of those words the General (aka LaCroix)
said in any Latin dictionary <g>

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