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FORKNI-L Digest - 22 Aug 2002 to 23 Aug 2002 (#2002-250)

Fri, 23 Aug 2002

There are 9 messages totalling 201 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Possible defense mechanism? (4)
  2. My flashbacks have flashbacks!
  4. Admin: Vampires have to be related to FK
  5. Another Question (2)


Date:    Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:49:49 -0700
From:    Nathalie <kleinemaus@c.......>
Subject: Possible defense mechanism?

hello, people. I have an idea that i want to use, but I was thinking if it's
plausible or not.  Anyways, here's the question: do you guys think that this
belief that vampires hold that they are better or superior to the human race
is like a 'defense mechanism', for a lack of a better word? do you think
that without this the guilt would get to a vampire (like it's getting to
nick?) and that it helps the vampire not feel bad when they feed? or do you
think they're all just terribly arrogant? i hope you guys'll answer . . .
it's just an idea i had concerning my New Knight series and I just wanted to
know if it made sense or not, and what others thought about it. because
frankly, i can't think anymore. . . =0D

Cousin nathalie


Date:    Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:12:54 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: My flashbacks have flashbacks!

Having watched my tape of 'Spin Doctor' yet again, I was struck by the thought
that it was entierly likely that he spent most of the flashbacked trial
flashbacking to the witchhunts of England and New England during the early
1800's.  I mean, he probably started the habit centuries ago.
The other vague musing that has entered my head is this: as far as I can see,
while vampires may be faster and stronger than mortals, their reflexes are about
the same.  They still have to stop and register what has happened before they
can react to it.  Does this mean that a vampire that studied martial arts either
as a mortal or a vampire would have the advantage in a fight?
ps- no, I think that most vampires are simply that arrogant.  It's human nature
to want to feel yourself supirior to *someone*, no matter how lowly your own
station, and if you have an excuse to feel yourself supirior to a whole LOT of
someones (ex: nobility, intellectuals, politians, etc) most people will, without
a second thought, take it.

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."


Date:    Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:55:17 -0500
From:    DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: Re: Possible defense mechanism?

HI . . . Most of them seem to.
Like LaCroix, they seem to look down
on us mortals as if we were their personal pets

I can see why, since they don't age, have super strength, heal almost
Just the act of feeding would make you feel superior

I don't think it can be called a defense mechanism, though.
defense mechanism suggests there's something to defend.
If you're really insucure, then you'd cover it by acting stuck up
But they're not, they're just stuck-up on their own

That's OK, I know some mortals who act the same way
A least I think they're mortals . . .


Date:    Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:04:58 -0400
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Possible defense mechanism?

Hmmm...I don't think it is entirely unreasonable to suggest that adopting a
superior attitude would make it easier to discard any guilt for murdering
another sentient being, and that fostering such an attitude in one's
fledglings would be an important step in helping them to "loosen their
mortal ties."  It's certainly easier to mistreat, without any mitigating
morals, someone you feel is not merely "different" from you but acutely
inferior.  Looked at that way, perhaps you could call such an attitude an
"adaptive response."



Date:    Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:59:42 -0700
From:    Nathalie <kleinemaus@c.......>
Subject: Re: Possible defense mechanism?

for those of you who have already responded to this question, THANK YOU! =0D
for those of you who haven't, i just wanted to clear up one little thing.
when defense mechanism, i don't particularly mean exactly what that implies.
most of the time i have difficulty finding the right word for what i want to
say. the theory is that a vampire's sense of superiority is something that
has developed to squash any type of guilt that may come up from having to
kill people to nourish oneself.  now, it wouldn't apply to all vampires,
because some *mortals* wouldn't think twice at committing murder repeatedly.
the thing is that there are some people that it would really bother, and
what i want to know is, do you think that this idea of vampire superiority
has developed to suppress guilt that could otherwise be damaging? i feel
terrible for stating this again, but i felt i was very vague with my
question. can you tell i'm a psych major yet? =0D anyways, any ideas any of
you have are great, and for those who already responded, thanks so much!

cousin, writer, weirdo . . .


Date:    Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:01:09 -0700
From:    Nathalie <kleinemaus@c.......>

when you read this corny joke and immediately think of FK

Q: is the vampire a friend of yours?
A: well i wouldn't stick my neck out for him.

i know, it's terrible



Date:    Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:28:34 -0400
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Vampires have to be related to FK

Hi, just a reminder to all of us that discussions about vampires have to be
specifically about FK vampires or in comparison to FK vampyres.

So far so good, btw. I just figured it couldn't hurt to mention this.

It's in the rules that Don or I post every Sunday.


McLisa, the other listowner


Date:    Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:05:17 -0700
From:    Nathalie <kleinemaus@c.......>
Subject: Another Question

One more question in this vein . . . Does anyone remember if there were any
insane vampires that were ever on the show? The Jack the Ripper one doesn't
count, and that's the only one I can think of, but with all the other vamps
that Nick and LaCroix brought across, there's gotta be one or two . . .
there was also Divia, but I'm not sure if she could be called insane exactly
. . . like i said, i'm not weird, i'm just trying to get an idea of what
would be plausible for a fic, and i have one, but it's not *quite* if you
know what i'm saying. . .



Date:    Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:40:56 -0400
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Another Question

Weeelll...this is kind of subjective, I suspect.  I rather imagine that both
Richard and the young leper lady Nick brought across both went a little loopy,
and that is the main reason he destroyed them.  As I've speculated before, not
many fledglings make the transition successfully -- ungovernable violence, or
beastialness, or sub-intelligence, or general weakness, etc. are some of the
failings I imagine could lead to a sire destroying his/her fledgling.  This
could be one explanation of why vampires are able to hide their existence in
the FKverse -- low numbers.  A vampire who had more success at this skill
would likely garner some respect, and exceptional or even just viable
fledglings would be coveted (perhaps).

Portia, on a flight of fancy

On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:05:17 -0700 Nathalie <kleinemaus@c.......>

> One more question in this vein . . . Does
> anyone remember if there were any
> insane vampires that were ever on the show?


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