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FORKNI-L Digest - 6 Aug 2002 to 7 Aug 2002 (#2002-234)
Wed, 7 Aug 2002
There are 30 messages totalling 860 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. question/challenge (6)
2. movie question
3. Let's think about Ger! (2)
4. Need songs for CD mix (2)
5. Close Call (2)
6. ADMIN: Forkni-l Rules
7. "de Brabant" (3)
8. question
9. Saint's Days (2)
10. Movie buff (4)
11. Fleur's book
12. Let's think about Ger some more (3)
13. LC and the Atomic Age (2)
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:41:18 -0400
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: question/challenge
When Schanke and LaCroix shook hands it looked as if Schanke sensed
something about LaCroix, but I think Schanke pushed the idea to the back
of his mind. It was there if he ever needed to know . Other than that he
preferred to believe Nick wasn't a vampire.
I always felt they missed out on a scene in the haunted house. Nick should
have met Schanke and either told him the truth about himself or explain
why he hadn't trusted him with the truth.
Debbie
>From: Viv <viv11374@y.......>
>
>
>The person who introduced me to FK believes that Close Call ended
>with Schanke knowing that Nick is a vampire. Of course, he also
>thinks that Close Call was the last episode of the second season
>(we saw it out of order, so he got confused).
>So I have a question: what do you guys think Schanke knew when he
>left LaCroix's studio that night?
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:58:19 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: movie question
> I imagine he likes dark, sensual, thrillers. Or Hitchcock
> movies, "Rope" being his favorite. Or anything (except
> Ben-Hur) starring Ramon Novarro!<G>
I think he secretly likes Casablanca---but he always roots for the Nazis. <g>
> This is a great question! How about Nick? What are his
> favorite movies? Or Vachon's? Or Janette's?
Nick: The Great Escape and Stalag 17 -- just because they're about people trying
to get away from their captors <g>
Janette: Fred Astaire movies, because he's just so stylish ("La, Nicolas, what a
vampire he would have made! Such style and grace! What a shame I don't know when
to stop, or I would have made him mine!") <g>
Vachon: Three Stooges movies. Just because he's a guy, and that's guy humor.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:26:14 -0400
From: janette 1228 <janette1228@h.......>
Subject: Re: question/challenge
Yeah i know he's married but that hasn't stopped the Schanke/LaCroix fiction
:) I could see a one time thing between them, but nothing really beyond
that *shrugs*
Too bad we didn't see LaCroix come to the loft when Schanke was there, that
would have been so funny!!
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From: Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Er...correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Schanke married to Myra with a daughter?
He'd be cheating on his wife, and I don't think that's in character for Schanke.
I think he would take the revelation well. There are quite a few fics dealing
with him finding out.
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:49:33 +0800
From: Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Re: Let's think about Ger!
Nancy wrote: Every time I see CSI, I imagine Ger playing Grissom. I think
it's a great fit.
For some reason, mentally I can picture Ger playing the coroner in CSI
-Dave Robbins - who banters quite a bit with Grissom. Must be from seeing
Ger as Nick spend all that time in the morgue on FK.
Ell
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:04:36 -0700
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: Need songs for CD mix
Try 'Angry Johnny' by Poe. Seriously twisted.
-Megan
Amanda Berendt wrote: Hey!
I am putting together a "Raven Mix CD" and I am looking for ideas of songs
to put on it. I want them all to have an FK/Raven feel to them. So far I
have all the songs from the soundtracks but I am drawing a blank on others.
I will need the title and singer so I can look them up. Thanks!
The more I get, the better it will be (maybe I'll make a volume 2 )
-Amanda
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"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:13 -0700
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: Need songs for CD mix
*sigh* That was supposed to be private. Sorry.
-Megan
"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:37:36 -0700
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Close Call
"There are truths we dare not look in the eye, for fear they will look back." I
think if Schanke were directly confronted by the truth, he would be able to
handle it, but meanwhile, he decided that he really didn't want/need to know.
It may be that he realized that if Nick was trying so hard to keep him from
finding out, he owed his partner enought not to dig any more.
-Megan
"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:34:30 -0000
From: Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: question/challenge
Emily wrote:
> In the infamous confessional scene (one of my all-time faves btw), he pretty
> much made it clear that he wasn't going to let Schanke cheat on Myra with Alma,
> so it just doesn't make sense to me that Nick would allow it to happen while
> Schanke was still married
I've always felt that the Schanke of the first half of season 1 would have
(and probably did) cheat on his wife - among other less than upstanding
things. In DbtLotM, he seems more than ready to spend some time in the
strip joint. As the show progressed I think Schanke turned more into the
kind of guy of talked a good game, but really wouldn't have done most of
what his imagination thought up.
Barb
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:41:13 -0400
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Subject: ADMIN: Forkni-l Rules
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:22:55 -0700
From: Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: Close Call
I think Schanke would be able to accept Nick as a
vampire, if not right away, then eventually. In 'Feeding
the Beast', although Schanke at first balks when Nick
says "What if I told you I was an addict' (or words to
that effect) it doesn't take him long to change his mind
and tell Nick that he's his partner, he'll take him any way
he can get him. Based on that, I think Schanke would
have stood by Nick knowing he was a vampire, kept
his secret, and if it got out somehow, probably have
defended him against all comers.
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:24:20 -0400
From: Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: question/challenge
Okay, don't be mad, but I'm thinking...we've got the Unnamed, the Unsuited,
and I can't help but think (on my part) that this would be the Unspeakable
Faction! LOL
Portia
Hmmmm...or would it be the "Blood and Donuts" Faction (BAD), or the "Chopin on
Polka" Faction (COP), or.....
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:38:15 +1200 Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......> wrote:
> and as for Nick..he could have rather had him for
> himself.
>
> Kylie
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:26:53 -0400
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: question/challenge
In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 9:24:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
portia1@m....... writes:
>
>
> Okay, don't be mad, but I'm thinking...we've got the Unnamed, the Unsuited,
> and I can't help but think (on my part) that this would be the Unspeakable
> Faction! LOL
Actually, I think that is the name for either the LaCroix/Screed pairing, or the
Nick/Screed pairing... But I don't really recall for which one.
Libs
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:39:30 -0400
From: Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: question/challenge
Hmmm...when I wrote it, it did kind of ring a bell. Have to say, that it fits
either of the below pairings. "g" I think maybe it was L/Screed? I do
remember reading one or two of those....
N/Schanke....PALs == Partners at Love (still trying to work it "g")
Hmmm...is there a "NightShift" Faction (maybe for N/T?)? If not, that would
probably work, but I think it may already be taken for somebody.
Portia
On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:26:53 -0400 Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> Actually, I think that is the name for either
> the LaCroix/Screed pairing, or the Nick/Screed
> pairing... But I don't really recall for which
> one.
>
> Libs
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:47:41 -0400
From: Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: "de Brabant"
Could Nicholas' use of "de Brabant" reflect some kind of disgrace, so that he
either felt he wasn't worthy of a more specific title or was denied the use of
such? Was he "de Brabant" in "Queen of Harps?"
Portia
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:55:38 -0400
From: Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: question
No doubt about it, he's an avid "Godzilla" fan -- can't get enough of those
Japanese import movies. 2nd favorite are those Bruce Lee and ilk movies --
when he's alone, he secretly practices talking out of sinc and doing cheesy
"kung fu" poses....I swear it's true.
Portia, who's been out of the doghouse a loooong time now -- forgot what's
it's like to go cork hunting under Nick's couch and among the paint
buckets.... "g" At least that's the punishement the CotKs always gave me --
what do the NAs or Cousins usually demand? "g"
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:39:54 -0700 Viv <viv11374@y.......> wrote:
> This might be a very silly question, but what
> kind of movies do you think LaCroix would watch?
> Viv
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:34:10 -0700
From: Helena Handbag <momra1@l.......>
Subject: Saint's Days
In Anne hathaway-Nayne's most excelent novel "These Our Revels", she has Javier
born on Saint Dionysius' day. And I rather like that.
Hence, J.D. Valdez (did I get that right?) stands for Javier Dionysius, rather
than Just Delicious, or Juvenile Delinquent.
Anyhoo - would any of you happen to know when Saint Dionysius' Day is?
BTW - He's invoked against the devil, and headaches. Which is very appropriate,
in a way. <G>
Oh, and Portia - LaCroix watching 'Godzilla' and kung-fu movies - talk about
ROTFL!!! I can just see Uncle dropping everything, and unplugging the phone when
'Godzilla Versus the Smog Moster' comes on TV!!
Mom-Ra
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:37:23 -0500
From: DPHEIL <dpheil@a.......>
Subject: Re: Movie buff
> This might be a very silly question, but what
> kind of movies do you think LaCroix would watch?
I don't know if really a movie kinda guy
He dosen't seem to like these new inventions
He didn't like be photographed, back in the civil war
I wonder if he would be into freddy kruger or slasher movies
Definitally Hitchcock
maybe bits of the Twilight Zone
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:49:07 EDT
From: Rhynnah Bayne <BaybeBansheesMom@a.......>
Subject: Re: Movie buff
In a message dated 8/7/2002 11:38:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dpheil@a....... writes:
> wonder if he would be into freddy kruger or slasher movies
>
> Definitally Hitchcock
> maybe bits of the Twilight Zone
>
Honestly, I could see him sitting and watching the History channel, sipping
an amusing red and chuckling at the inaccuracies. Secretly, I suspect that
Lacroix has an enormous written history that he keeps close by and labors on
in the quiet reaches of the day, while his kind normally sleeps. I imagine
that his version is a bit different from the usual kind but has all the
riveting excitment of a mainstream novel. Just my opinion... An image I like
to cultivate in my deranged thoughts.
Slinking back to the crypt now....
Kat the baby banshee's mom
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:50:55 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: Movie buff
DPHEIL wrote:
> I don't know if really a movie kinda guy
> He dosen't seem to like these new inventions
> He didn't like be photographed, back in the civil war
He didn't like to be photographed because that was
evidence of the existence of vampires (the photos showed
him flying, and draining a soldier). Let's not get into
the problem that no camera in existence at that time
could capture something moving as fast as a flying
vampire---unless, of course, LC courteously hovered in
place for several minutes in a well-lit area <g>.
He was photographsed with Nick and Janette in Victorian
times---there was the photo that Schanke found. And, of
course, there's his Nightcrawler publicity photo.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:58:45 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: "de Brabant"
Portia wrote:
> Could Nicholas' use of "de Brabant" reflect some kind of disgrace, so that he
> either felt he wasn't worthy of a more specific title or was denied the use of
> such? Was he "de Brabant" in "Queen of Harps?"
I think that "de Brabant" is a more prestigious title
than something more specific (he's of a big, important
duchy, in comparison to John the Dim, Henri the
Longlegged, or Giles of Littlehouseontheprairie). Long
ago I think some list member posted that an appellation
like "de Brabant" was reserved for the ruling family's
use.
I like to think he also was known as Nicolas the Fair
(blond and gorgeous, you know <g>).
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:59:04 -0400
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Fleur's book
Someone asked about Fleur reading.
Yes, it's perfect plausible that she would have known how to read. However,
it is unlikely that she--or Nick, for that matter--knew how to write very
well, if at all. We think of Reading and Writing as two sides of the same
coin, but they were completely different skills then. Professional scribes
provided such services, so there was no reason to learn how to wield a pen.
This is still a time when women had significant responsibilities and power.
A wife would, for example, be left completely in charge of her husband's
estates if he went off to the crusades or away on other business. She might
even be responsible for overseeing the defence of the castle. And her
inheritance rights were significant. In addition to her dowry, Nick's mother
probably received 1/3 of her husband's estate at his death. At a lower level
in society, if a man died and his wife were capable of continuing his craft
or trade, she could do so.
Generally speaking, women's power, privileges and status in law actually
diminished as the Middle Ages "progressed". For example, laws were
eventually passed that eliminated women from certain businesses (at which
they were succeeding too well). Ironically, prosperity hasn't always been
the best thing for women's rights. There's a 20th century parallel in what
happened after World War II--women who were welcomed in factories and on
construction sites during the war were summarily sent home, and the same
kind of promotion that pushed the image of Rosie the Riveter was turned to
setting the Betty Crocker-style homemaker up as the ideal.
The lot of younger children also got worse as time went on. Primogeniture
(simplistically, first-born son gets everything) was not uniform practice at
the beginning of the Middle Ages, but became increasingly widespread as the
disadvantages of dividing property up among several heirs became apparent.
Even so, a prosperous parent could bestow property not otherwise encumbered
on a younger child. One of the more dramatic examples of this is the way
England's Queen Eleanor used the Aquitaine (territory in what is now France)
as a political tool. Its disposition was in her control, not Henry II's, and
she could give it to the son of her choice outright.
Mary
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:03:33 -0700
From: Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Movie buff
I can see him watching a Shakespeare play that was filmed, maybe Hamlet or Romeo
and
Juliet.
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:08:59 -0400
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: "de Brabant"
Portia wrote;
> Could Nicholas' use of "de Brabant" reflect some kind of
> disgrace,
No, McLisa has it pegged when she says it must indicate that he is connected
with the ducal family. And there's nothing humble about the way Nick
introduces himself when he uses it <gr>. I love that arrogant tone Ger uses.
Mary
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:12:28 -0400
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Saint's Days
On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:34:10 -0700 Helena Handbag <momra1@l.......> wrote:
>In Anne hathaway-Nayne's most excelent
>novel "These Our Revels", she has Javier born on
>Saint Dionysius' day. <snip> would any of you happen to know
>when Saint Dionysius' Day is?
I found him in the Catholic Saints Online website. The day is Oct. 9th. He is
also known as St. Denis, and was a bishop of Paris who was martyred in
(probably) 258 A.D. He is the patron saint of France.
Thanks for mentioning the part about being invoked for headaches, as it made
the identification certain. There are several others saints named Dionysius.
McLisa, playing hooky from her cataloging again
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:16:37 -0500
From: Sami Swan Thompson {Tsunami} <angels2@f.......>
Subject: Re: Let's think about Ger some more
Nancy Kaminski wrote:
> Every time I see CSI, I imagine Ger playing Grissom. I think
> it's a great fit.
Nancy, you read my mind! {Be careful, you could trip over
something up there.} That's exactly the role I was going to
suggest.
Elliza Rahim wrote:
> For some reason, mentally I can picture Ger playing the coroner in CSI
> -Dave Robbins - who banters quite a bit with Grissom.
Yep, I can see that one, too. Plus, Ger wears a beard well, and still
looks well-groomed, unlike some men. {You know the guys I mean: they
grow six whiskers and suddenly you hear the theme of "Deliverance"
in the background until they start shaving again.}
Almost every time I watch something good now, I find myself thinking,
"Oh, Ger could've done this role SO much better."
I know he wants to direct, and he does it well, but we don't get to
SEE him when he directs, darn it. Hey, instead of just a "making-of"
video of the next thing he directs, they could do a "Ger directs" video,
and film him directing/making the project. I'd sure buy it! Hmmm ...
maybe a future fundraising idea? {Or, we could go back to the original
idea of filming Ger sitting in a chair, reading a book aloud - even the
telephone book - for a fundraising tape.} I'm sounding desperate, huh?
Hey, where'd my topic go? Where am I? Dang!
How about Ger as Spiderman? No, wait, he doesn't like heights. Could
he be one of the Men In Black? He looks good in black . . .
Sami
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:42:46 -0400
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Let's think about Ger!
I see Ger as Arthur in a remake/restaging of "Camelot."
The part was created by a Welshman with a beautiful speaking voice who
wasn't a professional singer--Richard Burton.
And Ger would do a great job with the range of the part, from the chap who
has run away from his wedding in the first scene to the valiant and doomed
king at the end.
Mary
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:54:34 -0400
From: Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: LC and the Atomic Age
And he daydreams about encountering Mothra in flight...and kicking it's butt!!
And when his stress level gets too great, he diffuses by planning fiendish
ways to do away with Godzooky -- ways that he sometimes contemplates using on
that exasperating Nicholas.... "eg"
And he sometimes pictures Ultra-man wearing a blond wig (a la Nicholas) and
laughs himself silly...."beg"
He also has forgotten himself a few times and called Nick "Ken" (always with
an exclamation mark -- "Ken!").
Portia
On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:34:10 -0700 Helena Handbag <momra1@l.......> wrote:
> I can just see Uncle dropping everything, and
> unplugging the phone when 'Godzilla Versus the
> Smog Moster' comes on TV!!
>
> Mom-Ra
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:04:23 -0700
From: Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Let's think about Ger some more
Sorry, but I don't think he could pull it off. Spider-man is supposed to be in
his early 20's in the comic book (the current adaptation, anyway) & late teens in
the movieverse. Now, Get could feasibly do an older Spider-Man if they ever did
a movie or TV rversion of the SpiderGirl comics, which feature Peter's daughter
May as the main character and a younger generation of super heroes.
As for MIB, I can see Ger wearing sunglasses and a black suit. He'd look cool.
Crossover, anyone? <g>
--- Sami Swan Thompson {Tsunami} <angels2@f.......> wrote:
> How about Ger as Spiderman? No, wait, he doesn't like heights. Could
> he be one of the Men In Black? He looks good in black . . .
=====
Emily M. Hanson
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:46:57 -0400
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Let's think about Ger some more
> How about Ger as Spiderman? No, wait, he doesn't like heights. Could
> he be one of the Men In Black? He looks good in black . . .
I'm of the opinion that LaCroix was the original MIB.
That is an X-Files/Forever Knight cross-over I've been meaning to
write for too long.....
One of these days.
Tim
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:03:06 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: LC and the Atomic Age
Portia wrote:
> And he daydreams about encountering Mothra in
> flight...and kicking it's butt!!
<snicker> Lacroix is an avid Mystery Science Theatre
3000 buff---he adds his comments to the ones made by
Mike and the bots. He especially likes the Gamera
movies, but his very favorite is "Prince of Space."
He also has in-depth discussions with Aristotle over the
relative virtues of Joel vs. Mike, and who is more evil,
Pearl Forrester or Doctor Forrester.
Nancy Kaminski
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