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FORKNI-L Digest - 17 Jun 2002 to 18 Jun 2002 (#2002-180)

Tue, 18 Jun 2002

There are 16 messages totalling 402 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Life without Schanke (12)
  2. Why one likes Screed (was: Re: Life without Schanke) (3)
  3. I found Vachon!

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Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:44:10 -0700
From:    Nathalie <kleinemaus@c.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

> And without Schanke, the humour was gone, and the invading
> darkness just kept crawling in until that awful Last Knight.

Which begs the question, would Last Knight still have happened had Schanke
been around? I don't know the answer to that one, so I won't propose one,
but it just popped into my head . . . the question did I mean.

Cousin Nathalie
kleinemaus@c.......

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Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:59:01 -0500
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

I highly doubt "Last Knight" would have ever happened had Schanke been
around, not to mention Janette. I think the changes to season 3 are the main
reason for FK's cancellation.

Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."

> Which begs the question, would Last Knight still have happened had Schanke
> been around?

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Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:06:48 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

In a message dated 6/17/02 5:56:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
kris1228@s....... writes:

<< I highly doubt "Last Knight" would have ever happened had Schanke been
 around, not to mention Janette. I think the changes to season 3 are the main
 reason for FK's cancellation >>
I beg to differ, IMHO. I've heard from at least one actor... I forget who,
but it was at a convention... that one of the leading factors was that the
ratings looked a lot lower than they were. The show was both in syndication
and on USA. So there was a set of ratings for both places that were NOT
combined in the overall ratings. So they looked horrible. The way shows make
money is through advertising purchased, and if the ratings are low, it is
less likely anybody wants to buy advertising time.

Now, there were good things about season three. Screed, for example. I happen
to like all the season 3 "new" characters, though I agree Schanke leaving
took something with him. (I didn't start watching until Season 3 so I can't
truthfully say "I missed him" as I hadn't met him yet! <g>) THere were also
some very good (again IMHO) episodes. FEVER being one. I also happen to like
Ashes to Ashes, although I know diehard Vachon fans don't - but if I can like
FEVER, I can like AtA<g>

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:22:53 -0500
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

Yes, the ratings would look lower. I am sure there were a lot of upset fans
by the changes that just quit watching altogether. The changes did not help
the show. USA was trying to get a younger audience and I think they realized
their mistake by the end.

Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."

> I beg to differ, IMHO. I've heard from at least one actor... I forget who,
> but it was at a convention... that one of the leading factors was that the
> ratings looked a lot lower than they were.

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Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:33:14 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

In a message dated 6/17/02 6:19:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
kris1228@s....... writes:

<< Yes, the ratings would look lower. I am sure there were a lot of upset fans
 by the changes that just quit watching altogether. >>
Of all the many real life friends (who introduced me to FK) and all the
on-line FK fans I know, I know NO ONE who quit watching third season -
something I find hard to believe, but it is true. I've never met anyone who
didn't watch third season but did the other two, at least that have said as
much. Many thing it did not live up to the other seasons, but no one quit
watching because of it. Rather funny, but they all liked Screed, though some
disliked Tracy and/or Vachon. (As one of my RL friends added during a
discussion, there were characters  in other seasons he didn't particularly
like either, so he didn't feel guilty about it)

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:48:47 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

One of the reasons I think Last Knight happened was that Nick was feeling the
weight of immortality.  Nick had just lost Tracy, and before that he'd lost
Schanke and Janette, IIRC.  He was losing everyone he cared about.  If Schanke
had still been around, I don't think that Nick would have felt quite so hopeless.
He might have still tried to leave Toronto, but the events that brought him to
Natalie's apartment might not have occurred that way.  I don't know.  It would
depend if Tracy was still Nick's partner or not, because I think she'd have
reacted the same way.  Then again, Schanke might still have been able to talk
Nick out of despair.

--- Nathalie <kleinemaus@c.......> wrote:
> Which begs the question, would Last Knight still have happened had Schanke
> been around? I don't know the answer to that one, so I won't propose one,
> but it just popped into my head . . . the question did I mean.


=====
Emily M. Hanson
My Home page - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
My Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com

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Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:59:05 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

In a message dated 6/17/02 7:49:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
emilymhanson@y....... writes:

<< Then again,
 Schanke might still have been able to talk Nick out of despair. >>
I agree, and Schanke knew there was some sort of relationship between Nick
and LaCroix. I could see him showing up in Nick's apartment in time to talk
to BOTH of them. I've never thought LaCroix was in the best frame of mind
during Last Knight either (perhaps picking up vibes from Nick). Schanke
definitely could have talked to Nick about Tracy.

I wonder what Schanke would have thought of Screed? Maybe a bit put off at
first, but I could see him sort of buddying up and using Screed as a
"source," perhaps feeling sorry for "that homeless guy" and doing things like
delivering a food basket at Christmas. <g>

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:11:15 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

LOL!  Great fic idea.  A food basket containing little ratsies, perhaps?  Which
reminds me:

You know you've been reading/watching too much FK when you have baby mice in
your garage, and you can't help but think they would have made a tasty snack
for a certain carouche.

Emily

--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> I wonder what Schanke would have thought of Screed? Maybe a bit put off at
> first, but I could see him sort of buddying up and using Screed as a
> "source," perhaps feeling sorry for "that homeless guy" and doing things like
> delivering a food basket at Christmas. <g>


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Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:38:35 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Why one likes Screed (was: Re: Life without Schanke)

--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> Rather funny, but they all liked Screed, though some
> disliked Tracy and/or Vachon.

Makes sense to me. He was a rather unique character
whereas the likes of Tracy and Vachon could be found in
practically any series. That's what I liked about season
1&2 characters. Their originality made them unique to the
show. There was only one Nick, LaCroix, Janette, Nat,
Schanke and heck, even Grace and you could only see them
in FK.

--Sunny

=====
LaCountess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
Visit my website at http://www.lacountess.com/Fkmain.html

"Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!"
--Homer Simpson

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:17:56 -0500
From:    "Monica T. Rodriguez" <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: I found Vachon!

He's in Chicago!
On my way to work/school today, I turned on a street I don't usually take.
Although I've driven on it before, I apparently never paid attention at the
right time.  I passed by a place called...
J. Valdez Meats, Inc.
It's on Lake St., just west of Halsted.
Yes, that's the name exactly.  It's a perfect cover, since it would be easy to
get blood.  It actually looks like it's been around for quite a while.  Maybe
he's been holding on to the property as a fall back.

don't be surprised if we find a sudden influx of vaqueras into Chicago...


monica
always luscious lucius lover

"When you have a friend in the Nightcrawler, who needs enemies?"

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:16:11 -0700
From:    Nathalie <kleinemaus@c.......>
Subject: Re: Why one likes Screed (was: Re: Life without Schanke)

I'll tell you why I liked Screed so much. He was funny in a weird way. I
can't explain that, but, there ya go. And as for people who may have stopped
watching in the third season . . . I don't think anyone would have done
that. I was introduced to FK through the third season, and though I do enjoy
the first and second seasons a little more, I don't think there was anything
terribly wrong with that third season. Although, yeah, there was one thing I
didn't like, and that was that at times it didn't seem to be about Nick and
his struggle, but other than that. . . but of course, I have the flu and am
highly medicated right now so maybe i'm wrong. Who knows.

Cousin Nathalie
kleinemaus@c.......

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:23:49 EDT
From:    Torrey Bruley <TorreyRN@a.......>
Subject: Re: Why one likes Screed (was: Re: Life without Schanke)

In a message dated 6/18/2002 10:13:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
kleinemaus@c....... writes:


> I'll tell you why I liked Screed so much. He was funny in a weird way. I
> can't explain that, but, there ya go. And as for people who may have
> stopped watching in the third season .

   I agree. Screed was a very interesting character. He was a nice change
from the straight up Vamp. He added a new dimension to the FK universe. As
for not watching the third season. Hmmmm, everyone I know continued to watch.
Many people I heard from back then had only seen FK on USA, so they had no
idea the amount of history some of the older characters had. I think that
took a lot away from the series for most of the new people.

Torrey
The Lost Vaquera

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:05:27 -0400
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:33:14 EDT Libratsie@a....... wrote:

> I know NO ONE who quit watching third season -
> something I find hard to believe, but it is true.

I do. One of my own converts, who was a major Janette fan, never watched the
third season.

McLisa

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:26:05 -0500
From:    JUDYCAT@p.......
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

>> I know NO ONE who quit watching third season -
>something I find hard to believe, but it is true.

Before I found this list I used to go to a bulletin
board on the old Prodigy Classic for FK and HL.  There
were a few people there who stopped watching 3rd
season because of the changes.  These were not
necesarily hard core fans but people who watched the
show and had liked it but didn't care for it with the
cast/tone changes.

Judy

judycat@p.......
http://pages.prodigy.net/judycat/index.html
Colonial Spinning Bee photos:
http://pages.prodigy.net/judycat/_wsn/page3.html

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:00:32 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

Last Knight does NOT exist. Last Knight does not Exist!  Maybe the rest, but
Not LK.... (I know Im still in bitter painful denial...)

I did not like the third season as much as the first two, but there were
things I did like, as was pointed out. the new characters (well, Im still
not a Tracy fan, but shes grown on me I guess...I guess Im just flavored by
Schanke.)

I think having all the characters including Janette and Schanke would have
made it awesome.

>Someone said:
> I've never met anyone who didn't watch third season but did the other two,
>at least that have said as
>much. Many thing it did not live up to the other seasons, but no one quit
>watching because of it.

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Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:03:04 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: Life without Schanke

>I wonder what Schanke would have thought of Screed? Maybe a bit put off at
>first, but I could see him sort of buddying up and using Screed as a
>"source," perhaps feeling sorry for "that homeless guy" and doing things like
>delivering a food basket at Christmas. <g>


Oh, I can see that....A basket of hamsters if they were out of rats.... ;-)

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