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FORKNI-L Digest - 15 Apr 2002 to 16 Apr 2002 (#2002-115)

Tue, 16 Apr 2002

There are 30 messages totalling 811 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. quality of recent FK broadcast (5)
  2. Sh*t happens--FK style (4)
  3. amazing feats of strength (2)
  4. Q: FK actors in bad parts... (4)
  5. good parts...was Q: FK actors in bad parts...
  6. AOL FK Chat
  7. AOL FK Chat/MSN Messenger (5)
  8. (Fwd) Re: AOL FK Chat/MSN Messenger
  9. Interests dying (5)
 10. Full Season Tapes my 2 bits
 11. A question about 'I Will Repay'

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:05:24 -0700
From:    "B. Stone" <STONEB@g.......>
Subject: quality of recent FK broadcast

I get Sci-fi off dish (Direct TV) and have experienced the sound
fading in & out, diagonal lines, digitalization, and "blips" (instant
of loss of picture &
sound).  It only seems to happen on FK.  Are their copies wearing out?

The extra cuts to make room for more advertising mystify me, since so much of
the advertising is "in house".  Sure, they're required to air the ads that are
paying for the program, but why must they advertise so much for other Sci-fi
shows, or take so much time telling us over & over that the "Vampires are out
by day"?  Why would we want to watch other Sci-fi programs that have been
similarly mutilated to make way for more Sci-fi advertising?
        B. Stone
        stoneb@g.......

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:23:51 -0500
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: Sh*t happens--FK style

Good stuff, Sunny! I'm still laughing. :)

> LaCroix - Sh*t happens when *I* say it happens.

How about this one for Lacroix: "I'm far too old and powerful for sh*t to
happen to me!"


Eve
umdutto3@c.......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Some are born to sweep the light
Some are born to endless night"

--William Blake

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:05:55 EDT
From:    BKBVA@a.......
Subject: Re: amazing feats of strength

Julia suggested:

> However it was accomplished, it must have been the same trick that made it
>  possible for Tracy to single-handedly transport Vachon's body

As well as the hunter in Hunted lugging Schanke from the precinct parking lot
(into a car) and into the generating station.   In a matter of minutes, no
less, with time to revive him, make a tape recording, and get back to the
precinct to plant it in Nick's car.

Must be something in that Toronto water....

Beth
bkbva@a.......

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:14:19 -0500
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: quality of recent FK broadcast

Actually, I saw it do the line distortion also during a movie they had on
yesterday. It is not their copies (which are a different set btw). It was
around 6:30 when it happened. Same exact distortion with diagonal lines,
etc. Looks like they are having problems broadcasting, especially half-way
through a show. I sure hope I get a response from technical support soon.

Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."


> I get Sci-fi off dish (Direct TV) and have experienced the sound
> fading in & out, diagonal lines, digitalization, and "blips" (instant
> of loss of picture &
> sound).  It only seems to happen on FK.  Are their copies wearing out?

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:39:04 -0400
From:    Lisa Williams <mystykblue@e.......>
Subject: Re: quality of recent FK broadcast

<Same exact distortion with diagonal lines, etc.
Kristin>

I'm really going to have to look out for this. It almost sounds like the
radar interference that we're currently experiencing where I work and
broadcast from. We have a camera on our tower and can usually track any
ships that are in the area that are using radar . We can also tell by the
type of pattern and the time between the distortions (radar sweeps) just
what type of radar it is. There could also be other causes like power surges
or drops. Do the distortions occur at the exact times everyday? Give me any
info you can and i'll see what the engineers at the station think.

Lisa Williams
mystykblue@e.......
peon button pusher
WVEC TV

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:42:00 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: Sh*t happens--FK style

Another version of "I'm getting too old for this sh*t...!"  ????  ;-)

> LaCroix - Sh*t happens when *I* say it happens.
>How about this one for Lacroix: "I'm far too old and powerful for sh*t to
>happen to me!"

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:16:02 -0500
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: quality of recent FK broadcast

As stated recently, somewhat randomly (so far, Monday, Tuesday, Thurs),
always at 10:34 am-10:40 am (central), a signal failure occurs on Sci-fi.
This failure can appear as ghostly diagonal lines, small horizontal lines,
and even extra grain on the image. I called Dish Network and they noticed
the problem as well at this time. It is an analog signal failure from
"Sci-fi." This always occurs about 30 min through a show, such as the one I
noticed yesterday. You have to have a fairly high-quality feed to see it
though.

Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Williams" <mystykblue@e.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: quality of recent FK broadcast


> I'm really going to have to look out for this. It almost sounds like the
> radar interference that we're currently experiencing where I work and
> broadcast from. We have a camera on our tower and can usually track
> Lisa Williams
>

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:32:02 -0700
From:    Bonnie <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Re: Q: FK actors in bad parts...

At 05:00 PM 4/15/02 -0400, Libratsie@a....... wrote:
>I've seen Lisa Ryder on stage in a really bizarre, wonderful play called
>INSOMNIA, and she's remarkably full of energy! I was extremely impressed.

Ironically, she was playing a woman suffering from narcolepsy. ;-)  All the
same, an amazing performance in an incredible production!

Ger, however, (also an audience member) was uncharacteristically subdued,
with his nose in a book before the play.

Bonnie
Cousinly-Receptionist-In-Training (Still! Will this never end??)
callalily@l.......

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:02:08 +1200
From:    Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: good parts...was Q: FK actors in bad parts...

I have to say that I rather enjoyed Nigel Bennett's(Lacroix) character and
acting in the movie Rats and Rabbits. It was so...almost the opposite of
Lacroix, yet still dark..in a twisted comical kind of way. He was a Mad
scientist of sorts using the slum people as his test subjects. It sound and
was like a warped rendition of a modern Dr.Mengele's life and times, but it
was surprisingly entertaining(in a Pulp fiction kind of way, be warned.<g>)
and I thought Nigel pulled off the character very well.

Kylie.

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:05:54 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: Q: FK actors in bad parts...

 From: "Bonnie" <callalily@l.......>

> Ger, however, (also an audience member) was uncharacteristically subdued,
> with his nose in a book before the play.

Possibly a method of perserving his space and privacy?

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:10:56 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: amazing feats of strength

beth wrote:

> As well as the hunter in Hunted lugging Schanke from the
> precinct parking lot (into a car) and into the generating station.   In a
> matter of minutes, no less, with time to revive him, make a tape recording,
> and get back to the precinct to plant it in Nick's car.

Canadians are just naturally athletic!! <g>

nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:43:43 EDT
From:    BJDFKFan@a.......
Subject: AOL FK Chat

For those of you on AOL, a reminder.  The traditional Monday night AOL FK
chat will be held tonight, same bat time, same bat channel.  Err...okay...in
the Remote Control Chatroom at 11 pm Eastern.  Here is an AOL-only link if it
goes through PSU correctly:   <A HREF="aol://4344:754.tvrc.6701083.561337992">
Remote Control Chat Lobby</A>
If that doesn't work or whatever, feel free to email or IM me for a link at
that time.

Becky
cable modem is down...typing from our laptop connected at 28K...so no sig
:-(
(sad, isn't it?)

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:24:42 -0500
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: AOL FK Chat/MSN Messenger

For those who don't like AOL, is there a chat that exists for MSN Messenger
users? I wouldn't mind setting a date for it, like on Saturday nights or
something. All you have to do with msn is add contacts to your conversation,
no limit. One person would need to be the main one in charge of adding
people in though. Anyone interested in this? I don't mind doing it, if
there's others that'd like to join in. I know most people out there are on
PCs and I like msn messenger much better than the yahoo or aol ones.

Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."


> For those of you on AOL, a reminder.  The traditional Monday night AOL FK
> chat will be held tonight, same bat time, same bat channel.

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:20:51 -0700
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: AOL FK Chat/MSN Messenger

Hi Everyone:

Since I don't have AOL, I would be interested in
a MSN chat as well.

Thanks

David

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:59:43 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Q: FK actors in bad parts...

In a message dated 4/15/02 7:07:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
callalily@l....... writes:

<< Ironically, she was playing a woman suffering from narcolepsy. ;-)  All the
 same, an amazing performance in an incredible production!>>
How true!  I've seen (and been in) a lot of productions since then, and that
still is in the top few. (By the way, seeing the play was suggested by Greg
Kramer as I was rehearsing my first (well, technically second) play at the
time - Lisa has REMARKABLE energy on stage and is not to be missed)

<< Ger, however, (also an audience member) was uncharacteristically subdued,
 with his nose in a book before the play. >>
And very much a gentleman!

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:05:33 -0700
From:    phylis sullivan <phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......>
Subject: Re: Sh*t happens--FK style

--- Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......> wrote:
> I still
> wasn't on forkni-l. Some of you who are on that list
> might remember it (waves to patty, Darkstranger and
> Phylis). >

Hi Sunny (waving back).  Like that last line.  :}
> > Diehard FK fan  Sh*t! Forgot to set up my VCR.
>
>

=====
Phylis (Knightfilli) N&NPacker, Knightie, Dark Knightie
"Vampire is not a career choice."  Bart Simpson
email: phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:11:25 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Q: FK actors in bad parts...

In a message dated 4/15/02 8:00:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
Laudon1965@c....... writes:

<< > Ger, however, (also an audience member) was uncharacteristically subdued,
 > with his nose in a book before the play.

 Possibly a method of perserving his space and privacy?
  >>
Probably - until Bonnie and I got to answer a round of "What is Greg doing
tell him I said hi...." questioning and messages to pass on.<g> Seriously, it
was one of those weird "hi" moments that wasn't intrusive. Actors deserve
their privacy and get it from me.

(By the way, if you guys ever see me on stage or as a guest at a sci fi con -
SHOWER me with attention. You have my permission. hehehehe. Uhr, just don't
bite me - that did happen to me at a con and I still don't think it was funny
but I digress)

I mention this as I know we have some new people and some youngsters. I've
recently introducted a 14 year old friend to the show (when she carries
around the Ratsie Wot Kilt Screed for an entire rehearsal, you have a
Ratpacker in the making) and she was full of some questions about the FK
actors.

Actors are people and FK was a job. Actors are just as likely to lose touch
with former co-workers as anyone else.  However, just like an office runs
best with a well-hired, well-trained group who works together as a team, so
does a tv show.

It is a tribute to the teamwork on the set that we have a show that holds up
with all the repeat watching. I hadn't seen an episode, even FEVER, in about
a year or so until the marathon. I was afraid my interest might have died
down. I was wrong. Good work is always a joy to see.

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:44:45 EDT
From:    TRAPPERG2@a.......
Subject: Re: quality of recent FK broadcast

In a message dated 04/15/2002 4:13:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kris1228@s....... writes:


This failure can appear as ghostly diagonal lines, small horizontal lines,
and even extra grain on the image.

Actually, on the digital cable feed, it happens much more often, and appears
as digital pixel drop outs.

Trapper

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 02:08:34 -0400
From:    Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: AOL FK Chat/MSN Messenger

This message forwarded on behalf of Loreal - llavigna@n.......

------- Forwarded message follows -------
From: "Loreal" <llavigna@n.......>
Subject: Re:      Re: AOL FK Chat/MSN Messenger
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:35:19 -0400

I'm definitely interested! Just let me know when you all can, what day what
time, you know the drill. LOL!

Loreal
http://home.nycap.rr.com/llavigna/

"Kristin" <kris1228@s.......> said:
> is there a chat that exists for MSN Messenger users? I wouldn't mind
> setting a date for it, like on Saturday nights or something. Anyone
> interested in this?

------- End of forwarded message -------

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Date:    Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:30:18 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Interests dying

--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> It is a tribute to the teamwork on the set that we have
> a show that holds up with all the repeat watching.
> <snip> I was afraid my interest might have died
> down. I was wrong. Good work is always a joy to see.

When I became a fan of FK, even though I was having a lot
of fun watching and discovering the show, in the back of
my head I was counting the days until my passion would
die down. It had happened with all the other things that
I had been a fan of before (movies, shows, novels), it
had always been a period of intense fanatic love,
followed by cooled down mild interest, followed by cold
abandonment, and the whole episode wouldn't last more
than a year at tops.
I have been a fan of FK for 18 months now (and still
counting), and the fire is burning now as hot as day 1. I
have no idea what the magic is but I'm guessing what Libs
is saying is right. Plus the fandom is so amazing, so
inventive, you never get bored enough to lose interest. I
don't know how long I'll go on but I sure am not ready to
quit now --even if, like my sister recently said, my
family has just accepted the fact that I'm not crazy, but
merely insane.

Sunny


=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"

                           -Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:05:22 -0400
From:    Anne Terrien <aterrien@g.......>
Subject: Re: Interests dying

>I had been a fan of before (movies, shows, novels), it had always
>been a period of intense fanatic love, followed by cooled down mild
>interest, followed by cold abandonment,

*pops out of lurkdom*  Wow, I've been wondering the same thing for a
while now!  I've been a fan of FK since about my Freshman year in
high school (I'm currently finishing my second year of college) and
my interest has never really waned.  Yeah, the list had the same fate
as all of the others during the evil College Application Process but
then it was the first one to come back once I found my sanity again.
I look at the fate of my other...fandoms/obsessions, and almost all
of the rest have gone the way of the dinosaur.  *shock* Even that
Star Trek obsession during high school has cooled, as you said, to
abandonment.  Even those that didn't are just a handful of tapes and
wav files on my hard drive, nothing like FK :)

Anne
aterrien@g.......
nemoricultrix.livejournal.com
--

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:13:26 -0400
From:    Patty Costantino <psmoot43@h.......>
Subject: Re: Sh*t happens--FK style

<LOL>  Hi Sunny!  (waving back too!)

It was fun to reminisce over your sh*t list, I loved them all!!!!

I only have one to add to the list:

Alexandra the barmaid in Fatal Mistake:  You raped and took advantage of me;
you left me for dead. LaCroix came and gave me this: eternal sh*t.

Patty
N&N packer, Knightie with Dark Tendencies and Light Cousin

http://www.expage.com/patty43


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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:22:33 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Full Season Tapes my 2 bits

In a message dated 4/13/02 10:39:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
emilymhanson@y....... writes:

<< That's not necessarily true anymore.  Remember ... Napster thing?  Nobody
was  selling them for profit, but some of those who just downloaded songs >>

Napster claimed immunity under the "not a problem sharing a tape with your
daughter or friend" rule, which is not really a rule but simply the reality
is that no one is going to bother to prosecute individuals making individual
exchanges.  Financially it doesn't pay.  When you start mass producing
copywrited material for 20, 50, 100 of your 'friends', then you are making
enough of a dent in their bottom line that it is worth pursuing -
particularly as there is is plenty of evidence.  In Napster's case, there was
no in house use.  The so-called service existed *only* to circumvent
copyright.  Napster's claim that they couldn't be responsible for what their
"friends" did with the accessible material was the world's lamest excuse -
like the high school student who told me,  "Yeah, well, I wasn't giving the
finger to <you> personally so .."  Again, no one is that stupid and no one
has 20,000 close personal friends under their roof.

Ebay attracts attention becoz everyone and their dog knows it is there.  And
as the people posting there are easy to track down, a person puts himself at
considerable risk posting copyright materials for profit.  And if someone is
stupid enuff to do it, we can't help that.  But to believe that translates as
a threat to us, is overstating the case.

 <<<Taking all this into account, What do you think will happen if Forever
Knight fans start selling video copies and DVD copies for profit? >>
But we don't.  The condemnation of such activity comingoff our Listservers
from the fan HQ's would probably peel the paint off my monitor.
Also, it has always been observed that FK fans are as smarter or smarter than
the average bear, Boo-Boo, so we're highly unlikely to do it.
  The Ebay situation is not related to any sort of concerted, organized or
underground effort by fandoms to profiteer FK.  Again, issues of duping
cassettes of music and movies has been an issue for fifty years.  TPTB are
not virgins on this issue.  They won't mistake us for volume bootleggers.


Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
My FK book length at
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/  and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:48:48 -0700
From:    phylis sullivan <phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......>
Subject: Re: Interests dying

--- Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......> wrote:
> I don't know how long I'll go on but I sure am not
> ready to
> quit now --even if, like my sister recently said, my
> family has just accepted the fact that I'm not
> crazy, but merely insane.
>
  Then I guess I will join you Sunny.  My niece calls
me "twisted" for my continued interest in this show
and vampires in general.  This is the only show that I
have actively pursued collected items for and that I
have written anything for.  My husband refers to my
box of FK stuff as "the shrine".  <G>
  I can still watch episodes and enjoy them.  There
are no other shows that have captured my imagination
and my heart like Forever Knight has.  It is so much
more than a vampire cop show.  Of course, I am not
telling anyone, anything they didn't already know.
;}=
Phylis

=====
Phylis (Knightfilli) N&NPacker, Knightie, Dark Knightie
"Vampire is not a career choice."  Bart Simpson
email: phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:16:31 -0700
From:    Helena Handbag <momra1@l.......>
Subject: Re: AOL FK Chat/MSN Messenger

David J. Duncan wrote:

>Since I don't have AOL, I would be interested in
>a MSN chat as well.

Me, too!

Mom-Ra
momra1@l.......


See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar
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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:43:14 -0500
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: AOL FK Chat/MSN Messenger

> >Since I don't have AOL, I would be interested in
> >a MSN chat as well.
>
> Me, too!
>

Me three!

Eve
umdutto3@c.......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The opinions contained herein are mine, not those of the University of
Manitoba. It is the opinion of the University of Manitoba that I should be
writing my thesis.

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:51:19 -0700
From:    Kelly C Smith <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: Interests dying

I got involved in the fandom back in '97 or '98 (I forgot which), though
I started watching FK before that.  I found it taking over my former
'Star Trek: TNG' obsession, but this one has lasted MUCH longer!!
And I have no plans in the near future to give it up!  :-)

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark tendencies.

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:56:36 +0200
From:    Lorin <vachesang@1.......>
Subject: Re: AOL FK Chat/MSN Messenger

> > >Since I don't have AOL, I would be interested in
> > >a MSN chat as well.

If this does go ahead, is there any chance of making it at a
Europe-friendly time?  Most chats seem to happen around 10pm-midnight
EST, which means around 4-6am for me - and although my body could be
here and awake (or at least upright<g>) at that time, my mind would
still be curled up comfortably in bed!

Lor

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:16:21 -0400
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Interests dying

In the library where I used to work, FK came to be known as "your weird vampire
show" except for the two colleagues whom I brought over. :)

I continue, usually, to be interested in previous interests, e.g., the original
Dark Shadows. Exceptions like Remington Steele are based on something specific.
(I was not happy with Pierce Brosnan's on air reaction to the unexpected revival
of the show.)

But Forever Knight remains as strongly attractive to me as it was the first time
I saw it.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:55:57 -0700
From:    Helena Handbag <momra1@l.......>
Subject: A question about 'I Will Repay'

Hi Y'all!

Does anyone know the name of the piece Nick was playing on the piano when the
flashback began?

Thank you.

Mom-Ra
---
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http://www.geocities.com/mom_ra

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