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FORKNI-L Digest - 12 Mar 2002 to 13 Mar 2002 (#2002-76)

Wed, 13 Mar 2002

There are 23 messages totalling 677 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. More Great FK Fic -- Nancy Bonilla (2)
  2. Marathon Warning Signs (2)
  3. Having an FK moment... (3)
  4. FK and FK Fic (4)
  5. FK viruses - Part II
  6. FYI
  7. Great Fic and Why -- Kylie (4)
  8. Changing My E-Mail
  9. Fans From Philadelphia to Baltimore: Is anyone interested in an April 1st
     Marathon Party?
 10. James Parriott's new show
 11. Lora Haines' name in LK
 12. FK moment
 13. Great Fic and Why


Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:02:31 +1300
From:    Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: Re: More Great FK Fic -- Nancy Bonilla

> I'm focusing on the "golden oldies," so doing a lot of scanning and
relying on my very faulty memory.  Feel free to make suggestions -- I've
already had a few, for which I am very thankful!

Oh Bonnie Rutledges 'Clare' Series is wonderful, as is Susan Garrett's work
Gods there must be hundreds of really great pieces of work that i have read
over the past 4 years.



Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:08:22 +1300
From:    Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: Re: Marathon Warning Signs

> 7) you've checked to see if a FK t-shirt can be
> airexpressed from New Zealand in time to "worship in
> style"

mmm.<g> and the answer to this would be...yes they will and can be.<eg>



Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:46:38 +0800
From:    Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Having an FK moment...

My client is an event organiser and tasked me to arrange media interviews
for some technology award winners yesterday. Most of these winners would
contact me over email whether they agreed to the interview times.

Imagine my delight to see in my in-box, the subject line "Mr. Knight agrees
to the radio interview at 10."

So his name is not Nick, but hey...

Just thought I'd share with people who would realise the significance.


Date:    Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:55:48 -0800
From:    Denise Ruth <ithildin@o.......>
Subject: Re: More Great FK Fic -- Nancy Bonilla

At 09:47 AM 3/13/2002 +1300, Knightraven wrote:
>If you are still out there...and even if your not, may you hear...Thanks

Hey, I'm going to mention your fic <g> Some very kewl stuff you've written!

Anything new in the pipeline? Huh, huh???

Denise * ithildin@o.......* Ith
Celts In Space: The List!!
Embarking now at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CeltsInSpace


Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:05:22 +1300
From:    Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: Re: Having an FK moment...

> Imagine my delight to see in my in-box, the subject line "Mr. Knight agrees
> to the radio interview at 10."

I never fail to smile and chuckle when i see Nick Knight of the England
cricket team come out to bat.<g>



Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:14:01 +1300
From:    Knightraven <kiwisun@i.......>
Subject: FK and FK Fic

> Hey, I'm going to mention your fic <g> Some very kewl stuff you've written!
> Anything new in the pipeline? Huh, huh???
> Denise * ithildin@o.......* Ith

Many thanks.<g> Yes i am working on the next Misbegotten story mostly, but
the next Nicky is underway.

If any what FK fan fic would you choose to start a NEW FK series from?

Kylie. aka Knightraven.


Date:    Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:11:22 -0800
From:    Denise Ruth <ithildin@o.......>
Subject: Re: FK and FK Fic

At 03:14 PM 3/13/2002 +1300, Knightraven wrote:
>If any what FK fan fic would you choose to start a NEW FK series from?

Hmm... interesting question. I know, mine!! j/k <snicker>

I'm not sure there is any fanfic I'd have them jump off from. Maybe because
in my mental chest of drawers I keep the series and fic completely separate.

Great to ponder though.

Denise * ithildin@o.......* Ith
Dragon's Hoard Fic Archive
Drop by to read, or submit a story!


Date:    Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:59:16 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: FK viruses - Part II

Here is the second part of my investigation on
specialized FK viruses:

The ‘Javier Vachon’ virus:
This virus has a multitude of affects that should be
taken into consideration:
-The computer becomes slow and lazy, skipping most of its
-The computer’s messages all turn into Spanish.
-The screen keeps blinking.
The only way to get rid of this virus is to infect the
computer with the ‘Divia’ virus, which is not much of a
remedy anyway. Hence, a clean wipe is suggested

The ‘Screed’ Virus:
This virus disables your mouse and turns all text in your
word documents into a weird form of English that is not
understood by all. It is removable by the ‘Fever’

The ‘Divia’ virus:
The deadliest virus ever known. It attacks the host
computer savagely and deletes all files, applications and
data in all directories, subfolders and drives. There is
no remedy for the infected computer; not even a clean
wipe would help. The best suggestion is to throw away the
entire system and get a new one (This is absolutely
mandatory, as the virus is seen to have revived in some
formatted machines, coming back to kill more)

The ‘Janette DuCharme’ virus:
This virus harms the computer by creating a folder called
‘Raven’ somewhere hidden in one of the drives and houses
all other harmful viruses that enter the computer. The
‘Nick Knight’ and ‘Lucien LaCroix’ viruses are known to
be sited in this folder, so are most of the other viruses
mentioned above. This virus is reported to be seen at
least once in application format, but some say it is a

The ‘Ursula’ virus:
Also called “the Urs”, has no hazardous effect on the
host computer. It just resides on the hard drive and
every once in a while tries to delete itself, mostly
without success. Like with the ‘Javier Vachon’ virus, the
 ‘Divia’ virus is the way that has resulted in killing

The “Enforcer” viruses:
These are strange viruses that enter the computer in
packs and oddly enough, seek and destroy other viruses.
They are also known to destroy anti-virus applications,
which makes them even more dangerous. Clean-wipe is
really recommended in this case as the brutality of these
viruses has no boundaries and can affect every file in a

By Sunny LaCountess

Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"

                           -Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn


Date:    Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:44:40 EST
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@c.......>
Subject: FYI

Just a fun thing I ran across at K Mart they have a rack of tiny t-shirts for
these "PINK" Teddy bears. One Says  NICK I LOVE YOU, One says  NATALIE I LOVE
YOU, and one says  NICHOLAS I LOVE YOU. Company is called SWIBCO. The "LOVE"
is actually a Heart in red. Just thought this was a fun item for FK lovers.



Date:    Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:22:07 -0500
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Great Fic and Why -- Kylie

Oh yes -- Bonnie and Susan are right up there.  I also consider Nancy K and
her gang ("g") and Dorothy Ellgren up there.  I remember there was a story
by Pat Elmore that I thought was just great -- actually, 2 stories of hers
that I remember very well and enjoyed very much.  Those are just a few of
the *greats* that come to mind.

Anyone in the mood to share why they love a particular story?  I love
Kylie's "Nicky" series so much because I love her take on the characters,
and the happy ending she gave them.  I also think she does a realistic job
depicting kids -- Nicky is believable as a young boy, and is never cloying.
Actually, I find him rather charming -- like his dad. "g"  Also, her take on
LaCroix is very compelling -- she presents him somewhat as a paternalistic
autocrat (very much a Roman pater).  He has dignity, severity, and just the
right touch of "scare the bejesus out of ya." "g"  He also has just the
right touch of humor, sexiness, and that...I don't know what to call it.
Sophisticated playboy air?  Something of the rebel spirit that would lead
him to be a rock DJ (as I believe he projected somewhat in some of the eps
with the radio station)?  And her Nick!  Ahhh, a sweetheart!  She lets him
stand on his own two feet, and be the mature and responsible man I've always
seen him to be, with that touch of the hero.  Yet she also makes sure to let
us see that vulnerable, insecure side, that fine line he walks and sometimes
wavers on between his mortal aspirations and his vampire
instincts/temptations.  And I love that Kylie also explores the sensual side
of the vampire relationships.  I think Jordan is a great, realistic OFC,
without any hint of the "mary sue" about her, and her Natalie is very true
to character, with a deprecating wit, a shrewd mind, and the grit to say or
do whatever she believes in.  And to top off all of these great
characterizations, Kylie is just very good at coming up with an engaging,
intriguing plot -- her stories never disappoint.

Okay, there's one from me -- any other takers?

----- Original Message ----- >
> Oh Bonnie Rutledges 'Clare' Series is wonderful, as is Susan Garrett's work
> too.
> Kylie.


Date:    Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:44:51 -0500
From:    Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: Changing My E-Mail

After years of asking you all to write me at <Argent@e.......> i.Name has
charging for their forwarding service.  So I must ask you now to go back to
using my actual
address <phase3@g.......>.

Thanks and sorry for the confusion.

Don Fasig, FK List Gardener
phase3@g.......    ---,-<@
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7139/fk-lists.htm - Subscription Help


Date:    Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:59:46 -0600
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: Great Fic and Why -- Kylie

Portia wrote:

> Oh yes -- Bonnie and Susan are right up there.  I also
> consider Nancy K and her gang ("g") and Dorothy Ellgren up there.  I remember

Thanks, on behalf of myself and "my gang" <g> (gee, I've never had a gang
before! Kewl!).

Some memorable fic I've read---I do love the stuff written by Cindy Ingram and
Kathy Whelton, and not just because they're my friends. Their take on the
characters is so true the stories merge seamlessly with the series. Kathy's two
"prequels" that explore Nick and Nat's relationship before he joined the force
shed light on that period before they became such good friends.

Dorothy Ellgren's "Somewhere" and "Somehow" were wonderful romances with a
twist; "All the Rest is Silence" was heartbreaking in its exploration of what
really happened in Last Knight. Les Grant Smith's stories show us a believable
Nick/LC relationship, as do Molly Schneider's stories. Ophelia5's Physical
Therapy series was a lovely story arc---and also really great erotica. Apache's
Vachon/Tracy stories convinced me that the Slacker had redeeming
characteristics---she created real characters out of the
less-than-multidimensional ones that the series writers gave us. Karen Welss'
trilogy, only two of which are available to be read now, were a marvelous
telling of Nick and Lacroix's early meetings when no one knew LC was a Roman
general. She gave him a back story that works just as well, and paints a
believable picture of Nick on Crusade. Anything by Jean Graham is fabulous.

Then there's the Lurkers---who can forget "The Adventures of Tracy, Warrior
Tart"? Or Christine Kamnikar's "My Evil Twin is a Vampire", which brings
together the remarkably identical vampires, Nick Knight and Klaus van Helsing,
and the equally identical Jerry Tate and Count Dracula in the guise of Alexander
Lucard? Nyx Fixx's seriously hilarious stories, including "The Seventh Level"
and "Phfft!"?

I could go on and on---there are authors I haven't listed here whose stories
reside in my personal archive and read over and over. Mary Combs. Sue Baker.
Jules Stafford...

We've got tons of talent in that archive. Go. Enjoy.

And speaking of talent---REMEMBER THE 2001 FANFIC AWARDS! I got caught up in an
emergency project (put together a large website for my STC chapter) but that's
gone live so I can spare time for the fun stuff in life. I will be compiling
that list of eligible fiction---anything posted to any list during 2001---and
encouraging people to nominate their favorite stories. Give me a few days and
then visit www.nancykam.com and let's start this ball rolling!

Nancy Kaminski


Date:    Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:17:20 -0800
From:    CD <clouddancer@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK and FK Fic

> Kylie wrote:
> ...the next Nicky is underway.
> ...what FK fan fic would you choose to start a NEW FK series...

*snicker*  You have to ask?

*anxiously awaiting the next Nicky installment*


Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:51:45 -0500
From:    Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Fans From Philadelphia to Baltimore: Is anyone interested in an April
         1st Marathon Party?

Howdy fellow listmembers, especially those who live anywhere along the I-95
corridor from Philadelphia to Baltimore - Is anyone interested in getting
together for an April 1 SciFi viewing marathon party?

I have a feeling that this event is going to be even bigger than Last Knight
(okay, go ahead and brick me :-) ), so this seemed like a good excuse for a

In the case of Last Knight, I helped organise a party at a friend's house.
There were at least ten of us there, many driving in from all over southern
and southwestern Ontario.  We all assembled in Orangeville (look it up on
Mapquest if you're curious :-) ), and people showed up from as far north is
Midland, as far  southwest as London, and as far southeast as Syracuse
(that's FIVE HOURS!!!!  Now that's loyalty!!).

While it's hard to say whether I'll once again be able to assemble that many
people from such a wide area, it would certainly be great if it worked out.
While I obviously miss all of my friends in Toronto (waaaah!), clearly it's
time to start making friends in my new home.  For that matter, I wouldn't be
surprised if a lot of people from this area were also interested in meeting
some other local fans.

Write me offlist if you're interested.   If there's enough interest, I'll
send another post to the list with the details, in case there are some
last-minute folks (which would be great too :-) ).



Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:32:25 -0500
From:    "S. Babbitt" <sbabbitt@b.......>
Subject: Re: Marathon Warning Signs

Libs wrote:
>11) You are already sleeping every night cuddling the "Ratsie Wot Kilt
>Screed" like a teddy bear

Ick. But doesn't it leach mint-flavored fake blood all over your sheets?

Stephanie B., who doesn't even want to imagine what story Libs must tell
her dry cleaner...


Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:17:29 -0500
From:    "S. Babbitt" <sbabbitt@b.......>
Subject: Re: James Parriott's new show

Re Shakespeare vs. LK, Cloudrider wrote, tongue-in-cheek:
>Don't know much of him myself, but from what I keep reading around this
>fandom, he liked to "kill everyone off" at the end of his plays too, and even
>repeatedly! How is it possible that after all these centuries there are still
>people who actually *like* his stuff, and even praise him?!

Well, for one thing, Shakespeare usually *warned* his readers--often at the
beginning of the play--that the characters' survival rate was going to be
pretty poor. :-) For another, he mostly limited the killing to his
intentionally tragic plays. Had he wiped out everyone at the end of
"Twelfth Night" or "Much Ado About Nothing," I doubt people would have been
as impressed, generally. That's why the killing in LK is so terribly
offensive to many of us (and why the episode as a whole annoys me
severely): it seems completely out of step with the rest of the show. (To
me, ALL the characters are acting OUT of character in the ep, too, which
grates on my nerves.)

The thing that most disappointed me about the account of JP's handling of
LK is that he didn't seem willing to allow the viewers even a shred of
hope. The actors wanted to make the deaths at least ambiguous, to give the
viewer a chance to interpret events to suit his/her own sensibilities. JP
wanted everybody DEAD, with no hope for resurrection, period, end of
discussion. Perhaps he never intended to stab the intensely loyal FK fandom
in the heart, but many of us felt bayoneted anyway. (The fact that the
suicide victim was deliberately named after the president of the FK fan
club didn't inspire much confidence among the fandom, either.)

I acknowledge that JP has a fine talent, and I wish him the best of luck in
any endeavor that he finds worthwhile. Let's just say that I find myself
highly unlikely to invest any emotional energy in any characters he should
present to me in the future, having been rather...unimpressed, shall we
say?...with his handling of the ones I liked best. I think I'll have a good
bit of company. But who needs another TV show anyway, with that Shakespeare
anthology sitting on the bookshelf? ;-)

Stephanie B., who is glad that Romeo is dead and that Benedick survived. :-)


Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:41:35 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Lora Haines' name in LK

From what I heard at the time, Lora was happy to have her name used for the
suicide victim in LK. Remember, they had to have her permission or there's no
way their lawyer's would have allowed them to name the character after her.

Obviously I can't speak to JP's intention in picking the name, but I do know
Lora. I don't think she'd have agreed if she had felt that the intention wasn't
well meant.



Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:07:16 -0500
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <llamababe@c.......>
Subject: Re: Great Fic and Why -- Kylie

It's interesting how this thread got started by Carrie Krumtum's return. Back
in the day, it was stories posted by Carrie and Wicked Cousin Tippi that made
me want to attempt FK fanfic. Unfortunately, WC Tippi's stories are no longer
available :(

The writers of the stories I've most enjoyed over the years have one or more
common features: depth, wit, a respect and fascination for the characters they
are writing about. I never get the impression that they are writing just for
fantasy wish-fulfillment, but to explore a theme, use imagery and construct
complex plots or ideas. And, yes, many of the people I'll mention are my
friends, but I can wholeheartedly say that I admired their fanfic before I got
to know them as people. It was their skill and intelligence with the written
word that made me want to get to know them better. Among the people I'd list,
Nancy Bonilla/Warlocke has already been mentioned, as has Jean Graham, Julie
Stafford and Mary Combs.

I'll reiterate Nancy Kaminski, because she's handled quite a few absurd
subjects with such good humor that the absurdity fades, leaving only a pure,
hearty chuckle. And even when there are no vegetables or citrus involved,
Twinkies in the Caddy's glove compartment, or junk mail, Nancy's stories all
have a common denominator - quality.

Cindy Ingram bears repeating also - I'll just pick one story to talk about,
'Partners,' and this one isn't such an old one as it's from 2000. The way she
depicted Nick and Schanke's interaction was so natural, so true and
on-the-spot, it was awe-inspiring.

Erika Wilson - from 'Pandora's Box' to 'The Maltese Raven' and 'Spiderwebs,'
there's something magical about all her stories. She displays so much
creativity, Erika's the #1 person I missed seeing post in 2001.

Amy R. - her stories are typically rich in ideas and words. Just consider
her 'Longer than the Medicis' describing Nick and Janette. I'd say this is the
best FK fanfic poem ever shared on the lists.

Bonnie Kate Pardoe - and I know there are people out there who agree with me;
because of the Bonnie Effect I've gotten her fan mail by mistake <g>. Pardoe's
writing is abounding emotions examined through a scope of rationality. She
writes passionately, but she considers the significance of details, combining
impulsive expressions with deliberate word choices. She identifies motivations,
while allowing room for interpretation. The end result of her hard work is
always thoughtful and often multilayered. In her pieces like 'Sangria,'
'Resting Here' and her Christmas-themed stories like 'Silver Bells,' there's
more to the story than what first meets the eye. This transforms the reader's
role from strictly experiencing the story as the author sees it to a
participative role. Which level of the action do they focus upon? Pardoe's
fanfic isn't just about what she's written; it gives credit to the reader's
perceptions. Not simply telling one what to think, a list of events tied up
with a simple bow, she gives the reader room to think for themselves and invest
in conjecture and imagination of their own. That's talent and generosity.

Other stories I've enjoyed include: '1966 Encore' by Sue Burke, 'Mad About You'
by Elizabeth Ann Lewis, Sunny's recent 'Butterfly,' 'Last Knight - A Parody' by
Teigr Llew/Tigon Diana Hooker, Diane Harris's 'Sadness, In a Minor Key,' 'Ne
m'oubliez-pas' by ME Orive, 'Confession' by Kusine Kaninchen, Heather
Poinsett's FK/Simpsons xover 'The Nether Regions of the Soul!' (Defective
pants! I truly cannot hear or read that phrase without giggling, and it is
eternally the MacCousin's fault!) and the 'Noctambulist' Series by Nancy
Young - these parody newsletters are how Nunkies Anonymous got started.


Bonnie Rutledge<-------------------------------Omnifemale Llama!
The Touch The Feel Of Cotton!... llamababe@c.......
  "If you don't look like hell, you aren't trying hard enough."


Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:18:59 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Having an FK moment...

In a message dated 3/12/02 9:01:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kiwisun@i....... writes:

<< he subject line "Mr. Knight agrees >>

Worse, one of the cable stations is running a special biopic.  All over
week-end entertainment were headlines, "Knight Time" and "Knight Moves"

It's about coach Bobby Knight, tho.  Dang it all.

Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
My FK book length at
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/  and
V4S story
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.


Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:26:08 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: FK moment

One of mylocal public broadcasting stations ran a polka marathon as a fun
raiser. I immediately pictured Schanke glued to the set and maxing out his
credit cards contributing!



Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:01:11 EST
From:    Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: Re: Great Fic and Why -- Kylie

I'd like to add to the list of fk fiction that deserves to be re-read;
Goodbys by
Vanessa St.Denise, a tale taking place 15 years after LK featuring Natalie and
Myra Schanke, an overlooked character.  A poignant wrapup.Tim Philips Lady of
the Knight, one of my favorites.  For the hankie crowd, Mary Combs' Halloween,
Eve of all Saints.  I went through a few kleenex reading that.  JudyL


Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:13:44 EST
From:    Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK and FK Fic

I forgot to mention the wonderful tales by Christine Hunt,  First Day,  The
and others.  By the way has anyone heard from her.  Hope she is ok.  JudyL


Date:    Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:33:43 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistryder@h.......>
Subject: Re: Great Fic and Why

I've always adored Karen Gunther's 'Dreams' series.  The lady has the most
wonderful feel for mood and beleivable dialoge, as well as a way of making
the most mundane details of life interesing.

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a day."


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