FORKNI-L

FORKNI-L Digest - 2 Mar 2002 to 3 Mar 2002 (#2002-66)

Sun, 3 Mar 2002

There are 25 messages totalling 742 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Forever Knight Returns to Sci-fi (confirmed) (3)
  2. Letter-Writing Campaign
  3. Nat in article
  4. Forever Knight Returns Gift (2)
  5. SciFi Marathon & Canadian fans
  6. Loft lovers, here's your chance! (3)
  7. The Alice List
  8. FK Website Revision
  9. KtK Mention (2)
 10. FK return to SciFi - Marathon Holiday
 11. FK Angel cameo (2)
 12. Loft lovers, here's your chance!/what's Nick hiding?
 13. Admin: Forkni-l Rules
 14. Nick's extra space (3)
 15. Differences between Angel & FK (2)

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:17:06 -0500
From:    Melissa Puzio <crimsonkisses@t.......>
Subject: Re: Forever Knight Returns to Sci-fi (confirmed)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Vainio" <bevainio@w.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Forever Knight Returns to Sci-fi (confirmed)


> Forgot one important item in my last post.  I hope I'm not stepping on the
> toes of our wonderful KtK members, but how do we make sure that the marathon
> gets truly astronomical ratings?  Cause it may be possible that Sci Fi is
> using the marathon to gauge how much *real* support there is for FK before
> either bringing it back in syndication or trying to do a new movie?

I like the idea of a marathon, but I wish they could have scheduled FK at a
later time.  I understand that they couldn't make it a prime-time slot since
those are usually reserved for original programming and movies.  It's just
that for those of us that have 8 to 5 jobs, unless we get our VCR's in gear,
can't see FK during the day.  I was really hoping for a 6pm time slot.  How
are we supposed to show our loyalty if we can't make time to watch?

Mel aka Wolverina
crimsonkisses@t.......  ICQ# 24978740
*Vamp #61,Keeper of John Strauss's bicolored eyes
*Cousin*Valentine*Immortal Beloved*Dark Knightie*NatVampCamp*
"I' don't like being dead. It's rather annoying," LC, Curiouser and
Curiouser

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:23:59 EST
From:    SField8067@a.......
Subject: Re: Letter-Writing Campaign

We at KtK do urge everyone to write letters/email/fax, anything to thank
Sci-fi for returning FK to the schedule.
At a later time KtK will prepare a thankyou gift to send over to them on the
fans behalf..
Hugs, susan
SField8067@a.......

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:53:01 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Nat in article

Re; Article
 uh, Nick and his 'lab-geek, gal-pal.."   Gee, I never thought of her as a
geek.  Perhaps because I also wear a lab coat to work?   Or maybe I didn't
think of it because I know Nick's One True Love is the Caddy.
So where is all the Natpacker anguish over that comment from the article.
At any rate, psuedo-sincere condolences to Nat lovers everywhere - (although
I'm slyly laughing up my tailpipe ;-)  -)

Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
My FK book length at
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/  and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:05:15 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Forever Knight Returns Gift

In a message dated 3/1/02 6:22:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bevainio@w....... writes:

<< That would certainly get their attention:-)  Maybe TPTB would put FK back on
 the air just to keep us from sending them more "gifts" <WEG> >>

Anybody know where to get one of those fabulous gummy rats?  They're
ENORMOUS!  Or would TPTB misunderstand the intent?


Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
My FK book length at
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/  and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:11:48 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: SciFi Marathon & Canadian fans

I think-
Everytime a group gets together that they should send a note to SciFi telling
them about the event/ get together.  Such as - a card writing session with
all cards bundled and sent together.  Lable the thing from "the Natpacker
2002 Toronto gettogether" or whatever.   If you all do the Marathon at a
hotel, write some notes while you're there and everybody contribute a stamp
per destination.  I think a bundle of letters makes a nice impression.

Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
My FK book length at
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/  and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:18:00 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Forever Knight Returns Gift

In a message dated 3/2/02 6:06:01 PM Central Standard Time, WRDRR@a.......
writes:

<< Anybody know where to get one of those fabulous gummy rats?  They're
 ENORMOUS!  Or would TPTB misunderstand the intent? >>
Screed had such a small part, there's no telling if they'd get the intent or
not unless the individual receiving it happened to be a BIG FK fan.

In theater, I've run across a lot of FK fans, but some don't get "the Ratsie
Wot Kilt Screed" until I either explain, or they see the episode. But maybe a
basket of items representing each character with a tag attached explaining? A
rose for LaCroix, a toy Caddy for Nick, gummy rat for Screed, and so forth....

(Some, however, are really impressed I've met some of the actors. I mentioned
something about sending a tape of a play I was in to Greg at some point, and
one of my friends went, "YIKES! He'd see me! No! My performance was just
awful...." and so forth. It was kind of cute, and she thought so when she
realized what she was saying! LOL!)

Libs

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:05:14 -0800
From:    Kezia Hepden <keziahepden@h.......>
Subject: Re: Loft lovers, here's your chance!

Mary wrote
> "A midsize project also due to come on the market this spring is a loft
> conversion at 68 Broadview Ave...The warehouse, with the distinctive water
> tower on its roof, will be converted into 150 to 160 units ranging in size
> from 1200 to 1400 square feet that will sell for $220-$240 per square foot.
> It has the huge windows, exposed brick and post and beam supports."
>
150 plus new homes from what used to be Nick's loft?  1200sq ft is 30' x
40', so that's a *lot* of space - gives you some idea of just how large his
warehouse really was.  (Thinks - 24 apartments in my 6 storey block, 12
about that size, the other 12 half that size, and it's a fair sized
building.... Wow!  It's huge!)

You don't suppose it should be just 15-16 units?  Which would make more
sense from what we saw of the exterior, and its' use as an auto shop.

And what *did* he do with all the space we never got to see?

Kezia

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:30:42 -0500
From:    marg <mytoronto@r.......>
Subject: Re: Loft lovers, here's your chance!

Kezia Hepden wrote:

> Mary wrote
>>conversion at 68 Broadview Ave...The warehouse, with the distinctive water
>>tower on its roof, will be converted into 150 to 160 units ranging in size
>>from 1200 to 1400 square feet that will sell for $220-$240 per square

> 150 plus new homes from what used to be Nick's loft?  1200sq ft is 30' x
> 40', so that's a *lot* of space - gives you some idea of just how large his
> warehouse really was.


The stock shots of the warehouse show only a small corner of the
building. In reality, it's a 5-story high, C-shaped building with the
open side facing south. Even so, I kinda doubt the 150-160 units number
as well, if they are talking 1200 Sq ft condos. That would make 30+
units per floor. The building is pretty big, but it's not "that" big.

Since I happened to be in the area, I swung round past the building
yesterday. There's no Sales Office or condo advertisements on the site
at the moment, and the auto detailing business on the main floor still
appears to be in operation.

--
Marg Yamanaka  <mytoronto@r.......>
In Toronto, the City of the Knight

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:32:45 EST
From:    Jean Graham <JeanG477@a.......>
Subject: Re: The Alice List

Mary Lynn wrote:
>May I add one thing. At the end of the episode, there
>is a female officer in uniform. Her name tag reads
>Carol Lewis. If you turn that around it becomes Lewis
>Carol (Carroll).

   I think that one's one the list (as #8). :-) But if you should spot any
others when the episode airs on SciFi (or when viewing your tapes) that we don't
have (and yeah, I know, some that we have are probably reaching a bit!), please
post them (or send them to me off list) and I'll be glad to add them on.

    --Jean
..who should probably post the Alice list somewhere on her website at
http://members.aol.com/JeanB7
but hasn't quite gotten around to it yet.

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:27:31 -0700
From:    Molly Schneider <thestormborn@m.......>
Subject: Re: Loft lovers, here's your chance!

Kezia wondered:
>And what *did* he do with all the space we never got to see?

I dunno...after 800 years, I know *I'd* need one heckuva lot of storage
space!

Molly/StormBorn
"It isn't fair!"  "You say that so often.  I wonder what your basis for
comparison is."  Sarah and Jareth, Labyrinth
stormborne@e....... -or- thestormborn@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 05:03:45 EST
From:    BJDFKFan@a.......
Subject: FK Website Revision

Well, I guess the return of FK to Sci Fi inspired me, because I have redone
my FK website for the first time in about three years.  It's much more
streamlined and easier to read, and all the links work (for now)!  I also
finally came up with a simple solution for all those big 640x480 screen
captures I've got, so someday if I have time perhaps I'll do some more.  In
the meantime, I've got all the ones I was able to do that people had
requested on the site.  The website should look good if your screen
resolution is set anywhere between 1280x1024 and 800x600, although it's not
as nice on the lower res. end of that range.  There are probably other links
that I should have on my links page, so if anyone wants to suggest a link,
please email me.

If you'd like to check out the site, it's at:

http://members.aol.com/bjdfkfan

Thanks!

Becky -- DFKS, DK, IB, DT, UF, Ravenette, Cousin, FOD
http://members.aol.com/BJDFKFan, http://members.aol.com/DKfanfic
We're cut adrift, but still floating.  I'm only hanging on to watch you go
down...my love.  (Bono, U2)
The world was bankrupted of ten million fine actions the night she passed on.
 (paraphrased from Ray Bradbury's F. 451, in memory of Libby M.)

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Date:    Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:37:40 -0500
From:    liv <liv@z.......>
Subject: Re: KtK Mention

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:43:14 +0800, Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
wrote:

(snip)
The article mentions:  <snip> a cameo by one Forever Knight regular
(dresseden vamp) in an early episode of Angel <snip>

Who was that mystery vamp? Can anyone tell me? StarWorld out of HongKong is
currently broadcasting first and second season eps of Angel
Trying hard to spot that FK alumni.
-------------------------
Before Angel moves into the hotel there is one show when we learn
about his early history in the hotel--in the thirties or forties.
'Schanke' is one of the desk clerks in that episode. Not a vamp, but a
cameo. That is the only one I can think of, but I haven't looked
*that* closely.


liv
liv@g.......
take out the garbage to reply...

If you can't beat your computer at chess try kickboxing.

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Date:    Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:12:35 -0500
From:    liv <liv@z.......>
Subject: Re: KtK Mention

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:27:25 -0800, Sunny LaCountess
<countessa2000@y.......> wrote:
(snip)
> and am very satisfied
>with their acknowledgment that Angel is influenced by
>FK, or should we call it *cough* rip-off *cough*.
--------------
I actually think of Angel as being completely different than FK,
although I think Highlander is/was quite similar (the tv show), and
contemporary to FK. There is a superficial similarity, but Angel has
kept moving past Nick's sexual problems, and even past his need for
redemption. Angel has chosen to be as he is, in order to fight the
fight he is fighting, which is a major difference. Angel and Buffy are
both shows where the unexpected happens frequently, and they are
constantly surprising to me--and television rarely surprises me.


liv
liv@g.......
take out the garbage to reply...

If you can't beat your computer at chess try kickboxing.

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:05:33 -0800
From:    Knight Ranger <knightranger4ver@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK return to SciFi - Marathon Holiday

<< For anyone looking a reason to give their boss to
stay home and watch on April 1st

Monday is my regular day off from work, so I don't
need any excuses.


=====
e-mail:  KnightRanger4ver@y.......
Geraint Wyn Davies Fan for Life!  (GWDFC/GWDN)
Dark Knightie/Nick & Nat Packer/Caddy Whack/FOREVER KNIGHT Die Hard
BLACK HARBOUR Lobster Yacht Lot/Harbour Light
GerWOLFpack
"We Are The Lemmings And We're Proud!"
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Date:    Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:00:17 -0800
From:    Knight Ranger <knightranger4ver@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK Angel cameo

> I wonder if they're confusing Angel with the _Buffy_
> episode in which a vampire-themed party...

# What "Buffy" episode is this?

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e-mail:  KnightRanger4ver@y.......
Geraint Wyn Davies Fan for Life!  (GWDFC/GWDN)
Dark Knightie/Nick & Nat Packer/Caddy Whack/FOREVER KNIGHT Die Hard
BLACK HARBOUR Lobster Yacht Lot/Harbour Light
GerWOLFpack
"We Are The Lemmings And We're Proud!"
GerII/Bridging/Indecency/Swindon98/NNP98/GerIV/Tucson99/Wolfville99/Wolfville01/GerVI

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Date:    Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:28:04 -0800
From:    Knight Ranger <knightranger4ver@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK Angel cameo

What "Buffy" episode is everyone refering to?

=====
e-mail:  KnightRanger4ver@y.......
Geraint Wyn Davies Fan for Life!  (GWDFC/GWDN)
Dark Knightie/Nick & Nat Packer/Caddy Whack/FOREVER KNIGHT Die Hard
BLACK HARBOUR Lobster Yacht Lot/Harbour Light
GerWOLFpack
"We Are The Lemmings And We're Proud!"
GerII/Bridging/Indecency/Swindon98/NNP98/GerIV/Tucson99/Wolfville99/Wolfville01/GerVI

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Date:    Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:43:37 -0800
From:    preston kim <strawbearylover3@y.......>
Subject: Re: Loft lovers, here's your chance!/what's Nick hiding?

  Kezia Hepden <keziahepden@h.......> wrote:

And what *did* he do with all the space we never got to see?

Kezia



Kezia:

I have but one word for you ...........Moo

Kim

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:43:00 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Forkni-l Rules

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:49:21 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Nick's extra space

Kezia wondered, after hearing how big the building which FK used for Nick's
loft really is:
>And what *did* he do with all the space we never got to see?

Flew laps the way mortals swim them? :)

McLisa, who had wondered about this herself.

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:42:37 -0500
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's extra space

Kezia wrote:
> >And what *did* he do with all the space we never got to see?
And McLisa added
> Flew laps the way mortals swim them? :)

Stored several hundred sets of black silk sheets, pillowcases and pjs?

Mary

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:31:17 -0800
From:    Viv <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: Re: Forever Knight Returns to Sci-fi (confirmed)

--- Melissa Puzio <crimsonkisses@t.......> wrote:


> It's just that for those of us that have 8 to 5 jobs, unless we
> get our VCR's in gear, can't see FK during the day. I was really
> hoping for a 6pm  time slot. How are we supposed to show our
> loyalty if we can't make time to watch?
>
What about those of us who don't have cable?
Because when my parents got rid of ours the Scifi channel wasn't
even up yet!


=====
Viv

Don't annoy the crazy person

Life's a witch and then you fly

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:49:35 -0500
From:    Arletta Asbury <g4akl@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's extra space

At 11:49 AM 3/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Kezia wondered, after hearing how big the building which FK used for Nick's
>loft really is:And what *did* he do with all the space we never got to see?
>>Flew laps the way mortals swim them? :)

He used that extra space to store all the stuff he'd accumulated over
the years.

Arletta Asbury
pack rat

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:25:17 -0800
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Differences between Angel & FK

While I haven't seen every single Angel episode, I have been watching it lately.
Here are some differences between Angel & FK that I have noticed.

1.  There seems to be quite a difference in vampire biology. since Angel was
able to have a child, although the mystical PTB probably had something to do
with it, the only way a FK vampire could "reproduce" was to bring someone across.

2.  Also, another difference is that vampires in the Buffy/Angel universe seem
to have no capacity for choosing between good and evil acts (with the exception
of Angel).  OTOH, FK vampires can.

3.  FK seemed to have left it an open question as to whether vampires had souls,
while the Buffy/Angel universe made it clear that they didn't (again, except for
Angel).

4.  Angel and Buffy also seem to get into a lot more mysticism & mythology than
FK, which was orginally promoted as a cop show, IIRC.  A lot of shows dealing
with mystical & paranormal things seem to be popular now like Buffy, Angel,
Charmed, Roswell, Smallville (okay, it's not really paranormal, but its promoted
as a Roswell-type series), etc.  If the networks would pick up FK for reruns, it
might actually do better in the ratings now.

5.  The main plot of FK was that Nick wanted to become mortal again.  The main
plot of Angel is a prophesy (or is it a series of prophesies?) about him and
his son, with regards to whether Angel can save the world as we know it from
being destroyed.


As far as I'm concerned, the differences in plot, characters, and general
ambience make for two different but excellent TV series.

--- liv <liv@z.......> wrote:
> --------------
> I actually think of Angel as being completely different than FK,
> although I think Highlander is/was quite similar (the tv show), and
> contemporary to FK.


=====
Emily M. Hanson
Home page - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:07:53 EST
From:    Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@a.......>
Subject: Re: Differences between Angel & FK

In a message dated 03/03/2002 2:25:38 PM Central Standard Time,
emilymhanson@y....... writes:

<<
2.  Also, another difference is that vampires in the Buffy/Angel universe
seem to have no capacity for choosing between good and evil acts (with the
exception of Angel).  OTOH, FK vampires can.


>>

What about Spike helping Buffy and Dawn during the Glory storyline?
Spike didn't tell Glory that Dawn was the Key, and he endured quite
a bit of pain and battering for it.  I think Spike can choose, but he's
a rarity.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@a.......
You're just jealous 'cause the voices are talking to me.

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Date:    Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:19:18 -0500
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: Forever Knight Returns to Sci-fi (confirmed)

Time to go purchase it all by yourself then! ;-)

>
What about those of us who don't have cable?
Because when my parents got rid of ours the Scifi channel wasn't
even up yet!

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