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Fri, 22 Feb 2002

There are 15 messages totalling 600 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Meeting FK fans (2)
  2. Ben Bass on CBC
  3. Janette or Nat?
  4. Today's Birthday:  February 22
  5. Janette or Nat?  pt 1 (2)
  6. Does Anyone Remember? (2)
  7. Janette or Nat?  pt 2
  8. Clips for My Boyfriend is a Vampire (Was Janette or Nat) (2)
  9. KtK auction update - Friday
 10. Clips for My Boyfriend is a Vampire (Was Janette or              Nat)
 11. Janette or Nat? more Caddy responses...

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Date:    Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:16:52 -0600
From:    Lisa Luksus <tokaara@m.......>
Subject: Re: Meeting FK fans

I once encountered an FK fan at the awards banquet at a writing
conference.  I went down there without anyone I knew, as my friend who went
to the conference with me wasn't feeling well.  Somehow, the conversation
at the table got around to Nick and Vachon and what we'd do if they were
hiding under the table.  <Hey, it made sense at the time!>  At least,
that's as near as I can remember it.  I know we wound up discussing FK
while our tablemates looked at us in total confusion.


Cousin Tok
and the Cousinly kitties
tokaara@m....... / AIM Tokaara / ICQ 46441308

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Date:    Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:58:07 -0500
From:    jmtof@j.......
Subject: Ben Bass on CBC

The CBC series "Tom Stone" will be premiering on February 25th at 8PM
EST.

In this series Ben has a recurring role as Graham Pearson, a reporter for
the Globe and Mail.  Also stars Stuart Margolin and Janet Kidder.

Jean
Pres, BBFC

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Date:    Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:09:50 -0800
From:    Chris Rosmini <chrismin@e.......>
Subject: Re: Meeting FK fans

Well not technically a fan, but ...

A couple of years ago my sister and I were sellers at the Rose Bowl Flea
Market (one of the great cultural events of the western states) and the
booth next to us was a very pretty woman doing airbrushed portraits and
other stuff on t-shirts, pictures of rock stars and cartoon characters
mostly, and very well done.

After we'd all made a few sales and were feeling expansive, I asked her if
she could copy a screen capture from a TV show onto a t-shirt for me.  She
said "Sure, what's the show", and  I of course replied "It was a late night
show, you've never heard of it ... Forever Knight"  Her answer was "Heard
of it?  I was in it!"

Which explained why I had been thinking she looked familiar. :-)  She was
the Valentine Girl who gets offed in the teaser of BMV, and had glowing
things to say about the cast and crew and what an enjoyable set it was to
work on.

The terrible thing was I didn't even have to ask what part she had played,
once she said it.  I just knew. <g>  YKYBWTMFK squared.

Oh, and the t-shirt is the shot of Nick biting Janette in Crazy Love, and
it's great even if I do think he really belongs with Nat.

Chris Rosmini
Knightie
<chrismin@e.......>

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Date:    Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:15:32 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?

--- Patty Costantino <psmoot43@h.......> wrote:
> In Be my Valentine <snip> Nick drops by
> her apt. of his own volition and expresses his love
> to her.<snip> In Last Knight, before Nick drank
>Nat's blood, he promised they would be together
>forever no matter what the outcome.

Please allow me to add my 0.02 to yours Patty (nice
hearing from you BTW:). I think you are making very
good observations here. However, both these eps are
what I would call ďout of sequence episodes". FK
writers weren't particularly known for their unity in
story telling (one of the very few flaws I can find in
the show). You are right, in BMV, Nick all of a sudden
decides to show affection to Natalie without any kind
of indication in the previous episodes. And it stays
in that ep too; we donít hear anything about it in any
of the subsequent episodes in the second season. I
know one might argue that it was because LaCroix
threatened him and he had to keep the charade (which
in itself is debatable), but wouldnít we at least see
some hints of that struggle in his manners towards Nat
to keep that affection in check, like we see in hers
all the time?

As for Last Knight, to me, that was just a lousy
excuse for a last episode. Although the acting and the
dialogue were great and I was a puddle of crying mess
half way through it (oh that dreadful, lonely night in
cold Montreal!), the way things turned out didnít
quite make sense. But of course, that is only my H
opinion.

-Sunny


=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"

                           -Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:08:06 -0600
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Today's Birthday:  February 22

Hi Y'all!

Today is the birthday of:
Rhonda MacKenzie                scarlett@a.......

You can send birthday greetings to Rhonda at the above e-mail address.
Please NOT to the list!

People who share this birthday include:
Lord Robert Baden-Powell, Philanthropist, founded Boy Scouts & Girl
Guides
Frederic Francois Chopin, Composer
Edward Moore "Ted" Kennedy, Senator
Jeri Ryan, Actress, Star Trek Voyager's Seven of Nine
George Washington, President

Significant events on this date:
1630, Popcorn was introduced by an Indian named Quadequina to the English
colonists at               their first Thanksgiving dinner.
1879, Frank Winfield Woolworth opened a 5-cent and 10-cent store in
     Utica, New York
1963, Pebbles Flintstone was born to Fred & Wilma.
1993, "Babylon 5", TV Scifi Adventure, pilot, aired.

I hope you have a VERY Happy Birthday, Rhonda!

If you would like to be added to the birthday announcements, please send
your name, birthdate (no year needed), and e-mail address to me PRIVATELY
at eowyn3@j....... and I'll be glad to add you.

Terri
eowyn3@j......., eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, G-IV & V Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD, FK X-Stitcher,
Proud Survivor of Fk-fic  Wars 8-11, Keeper of the FK Birthday List
She can be taught!  But only in little bytes!

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:40:02 -0500
From:    Patty Costantino <psmoot43@h.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?  pt 1

Sunny wrote:  One might argue that it was because LaCroix
threatened him (Nick) and he had to keep the charade (which
in itself is debatable), but wouldnít we at least see
some hints of that struggle in his manners towards Nat
to keep that affection in check, like we see in hers
all the time?

Hey Sunny! :-)  Just for getting me into this discussion about Nat over
Janette, I'm cutting you off from the jokes!  Just kidding! :-)


In production order for season two, Be My Valentine is the fourth to the
last episode of the season.  I agree Nick's affective manners towards Nat
are restrained in the next eps, The Code.

Then, we have the eps. A More Permanent Hell where IMHO, he shows more
affection towards her, ie.  comforting her in the morgue immediately
following the discovery of vampire attacked  bodies, a flicker of desire and
temptation to give into her request to be brought across, then changing  his
mind, protectiveness and almost a possessiveness towards her with Spark.
(At the end, with the rescue.)  In fact, IMHO, Nat is the one who puts up
the wall around her feelings at the end of this episode, not Nick.

The last eps of the season, Blood Money, Nat and Nick banter back and forth
like old times in one scene, which takes place in the morgue.  No real
display of affection, just work as usual.

Next season, in Black Buddha, more displays of affection (hugs) between the
two of them and more importantly, in public.

In the eps,  My Boyfriend is a Vampire, there is an obvious display of
affection, flowers and one hellva a card according to Natís facial
expression in the tag scene.  Another scene with a practically begging
vampire in the precinct, who will do anything to get her back.  Itís almost
embarrassing the way he pleads with her.  ď Tell me what to do!  I donít
know what to do!ď  IMHO, I donít know what happened to the eight hundred
year old vampire in that particular scene, who had all that experience with
women, but he was crumbling there.  There is a look of total hurt on his
face when that confrontation is ending.


end of part one
Patty

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:47:12 -0800
From:    Kelly C Smith <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Does Anyone Remember?

Does anyone remember which chapter KC left off on posting her story 'When
Darkness Falls'?
The chapter divisions were lost in her hard drive crash, so she doesn't
remember, and she is starting to feel up to writing some more.
Thanks!

Shana
wldthngwthfngs@h.......

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:45:51 -0500
From:    Patty Costantino <psmoot43@h.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?  pt 2

Sunny's reference to Nick's displays of affection towards Nat, continued.

Let No Man Tear Asunder:  More displays of affection, lingering kiss in
precinct in front of everyone before Nat hits the clinic, flowers, another
kiss in morgue and one that she ducks.  (IMHO, out of playfulness, but what
a foolish thing to do! )  J

Night in Question:  What I found to be vitally important about this episode,
was, despite the retrograde amnesia, Nickís intuitiveness about his special
relationship with Nat comes to the forefront of his mind *when* he first
wakes up and sees her at the hospital.  In other words, he knows they have
something good before she tells him about their friendship and
doctor/patient relationship.  Lots of displays of affection here by Nick and
one very erotic dream about Nat-Maybe deeply buried desires to bring her
across can be found in this fugue state?

Sons Of Belial:  IMHO, Nick goes to Lacroix over Nat for help because he
would probably kill her.  I also believe that Nat is the one who brings him
back from his possession rather than Lacroix.  Love conquering the devil,
the beast?  Just a thought.  Bittersweet tag scene when Nick tries to hold
Nat, but hears her heartbeat, vampire wants more, etc.

Beginning of a series of setbacks:  Fever, Games Vampires Play.   But, even
between these eps, in Dead of Night, despite his backsliding, there is that
caring, loving affection seen between him and Nat, ie.  In the morgue,
comforting her after the reappearance of her grandmother.

Human Factor:  In tag scene, Nickís dream of mortality with Nat and having a
baby with her despite Janetteís return to Toronto and reentrance into Nickís
life, being the noble Knight in conveying to Nat his refusal to takes those
kinds of risks with her life to regain mortality.  IMHO, Nick is being
totally unselfish here and thinking about Natalie.  His actions in this
scene demonstrate a caring, perhaps loving nature towards her.  Just my
observations.

Last Knight:  Although I didnít like the outcome, I thought this episode
tied together the N&N relationship and a resolution was reached-just not the
one most of us would have probably wanted.  :-)

In conclusion, IMHO, I thought Lacroix's possible interference, and Nick's
backsliding in season three played a vital role in his inability to
establish a steady, loving relationship with Nat.  Too many obstacles in
their path.


Patty

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:51:36 -0500
From:    Patty Costantino <psmoot43@h.......>
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat?  pt 1

Sunny wrote:  One might argue that it was because LaCroix
threatened him (Nick) and he had to keep the charade (which
in itself is debatable), but wouldnít we at least see
some hints of that struggle in his manners towards Nat
to keep that affection in check, like we see in hers
all the time?

Hey Sunny! :-)  Just for getting me into this discussion about Nat over
Janette, I'm cutting you off from the jokes!  Just kidding! :-)
In production order for season two, Be My Valentine is the fourth to the
last episode of the season.  I agree Nick's affective manners towards Nat
are restrained in the next eps, The Code.
Then, we have the eps. A More Permanent Hell where IMHO, he shows more
affection towards her, ie.  comforting her in the morgue immediately
following the discovery of vampire attacked  bodies, a flicker of desire and
temptation to give into her request to be brought across, then changing  his
mind, protectiveness and almost a possessiveness towards her with Spark. (At
the end, with the rescue.)  In fact, IMHO, Nat is the one who puts up the
wall around her feelings at the end of this episode, not Nick.
The last eps of the season, Blood Money, Nat and Nick banter back and forth
like old times in one scene, which takes place in the morgue.  No real
display of affection, just work as usual.
Next season, in Black Buddha, more displays of affection (hugs) between the
two of them and more importantly, in public.
In the eps,  My Boyfriend is a Vampire, there is an obvious display of
affection, flowers and one hellva a card according to Natís facial
expression in the tag scene.  Another scene with a practically begging
vampire in the precinct, who will do anything to get her back.  Itís almost
embarrassing the way he pleads with her.  ď Tell me what to do!  I donít
know what to do!ď  IMHO, I donít know what happened to the eight hundred
year old vampire in that particular scene, who had all that experience with
women, but he was crumbling there.  There is a look of total hurt on his
face when that confrontation is ending.
end of part one
Patty

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:04:36 -0500
From:    Dianne Bugg <ladylc@s.......>
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Remember?

The last chapter I have is chapter 50.  I'm so delighted that KC is feeling
better and I look forward to having the end of this story.

Dianne


> Does anyone remember which chapter KC left off on posting her story 'When
> Darkness Falls'?
> The chapter divisions were lost in her hard drive crash, so she doesn't
> remember, and she is starting to feel up to writing some more.
> Thanks!
>
> Shana
> wldthngwthfngs@h.......

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Date:    Sat, 23 Feb 2002 03:13:37 +0800
From:    Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......>
Subject: Clips for My Boyfriend is a Vampire (Was Janette or Nat)

Patty wrote: Another scene with a practically begging
>vampire in the precinct, who will do anything to get her back.  Itís almost
>embarrassing the way he pleads with her.  ď Tell me what to do!  I donít
>know what to do!ď

Sorry to interrupt, but can anyone point me to transcripts or those clips
from My Boyfriend is a Vampire? I must have missed watching those or I'm
starting to forget - it's been so long for me since I last saw.

Wishing for perfect recall,
Ell

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:51:06 EST
From:    Knightwave@a.......
Subject: KtK auction update - Friday

If you have any questions or problems, let me know.  If you see any
errors in your bidding, please do say something.  With so many items, I
can't see getting through this auction without at least one mistake.  <g>
The web site for the auction is  Kickstart the Knight (
http://www.ktk.op.nu/  )  Most of the pictures are now up.  *thanks,
Becky!!*

Note: items #26, #27, #28, & #29 are a series of zines.  If the same
person bids high on all four, Susan will include a ktk t-shirt as a bonus.

KtK auction update for Friday, Feb 22, 2002
The N = new bid; T = a tie bid.

  #1   $00.00                     white Black Harbour t-shirt (L)
  #2   $00.00                     white Black Harbour t-shirt (L)
  #3   $00.00                     Yellow T-shirt of Janette  (L)
  #4   $00.00                     white T-shirt Spike of BtVS (M)
N #5   $17.00   Libby             white T-shirt Spike of BtVS (M)
  #6   $00.00                     white T-shirt of Vachon  (XL)
  #7   $00.00                     Black Harbour sweatshirt (M)
  #8   $00.00                     Orange t-shirt of Schanke  (XL)
  #9   $13.57   Vamps             Blue T-shirt of LaCroix (XL)
  #10  $15.00   Sara              Tan T-shirt LaCroix (XL)
  #11  $16.57   Vamps             Tan sweatshirt  Vachon (XL)
  #12  $27.00   Sara              gray Polo shirt hand-stitched  (XL)
  #13  $17.57   Vamps             Black t-shirt  hand-stitched  (XL)
  #14  $17.57   Vamps             T-shirt  hand-stitched  (XL)
  #15  $17.57   Vamps             Sweatshirt  hand-stitched
  #16  $20.00   Dianne            Black baseball cap, autograph pic
N #17  $26.00   Edwina            Baseball cap autograph by Ger
  #18  $100.00  NdB               Raven matchbook
  #19  $10.00   Stephanie         Autograph pic of Natsuko Ohama
T #20  $25.00   Alma              FK License Plate
T #20  $25.00   Linda              "    "      "
N #21  $15.00   Maria             FK zine  Endless Love  vol. 1
N #22  $10.00   Maria             FK zine  Sins of the Father  94 pgs
N #23  $10.00   Maria             FK novella  Training Mission  50 pgs
N #24  $30.00   Maria             FK zine A Taste of Forever  324 pgs
N #25  $15.00   Maria             FK zine  Let There Be Light
N #26  $10.00   Maria             FK zine  En Famille
N #27  $10.00   Maria             FK zine  Cauchemer
N #28  $10.00   Maria             FK zine  Lagniappe
N #29  $10.00   Maria             FK zine  Samskar
  #30  $10.00   Rose              Nick original artwork
N #31  $18.00   Phylis            Variety Ad autographed by Ger
  #32  $12.28   KnightRanger      HR ad autographed by Ger
N #33  $05.00   Sara              Nigel playbill "Art"
  #34  $10.00   Annette           Nigel playbill "Scrooge"
  #35  $00.00                     Nigel playbill "Closer"
  #36  $25.00   Barbara           FK mousepad - rubber mouse
  #37  $00.00                     b/w Tracy Vetter mini poster
  #38  $00.00                     Psi Factor book
  #39  $21.00   Edwina            Set of 12 Canadian 2000 coins
  #40  $12.28   KnightRanger      feature on Ger's "My Fair Lady
  #41  $11.57   Vamps             Hearts of Darkness script
  #42  $20.00   Barbara           Curiouser & Curiouser script
N #43  $05.00   Linda             Video of early Ger in IKWE
  #44  $10.00   Annette           Nigel's "Hamlet" poster autographed
N #45  $20.00   MGB               Lg Rubber Raven, pic of Deborah
  #46  $05.00   MGB               Color print of "The Knightmare"
N #47  $50.00   Elfin             Plum sweatshirt hand-stitched  Raven
  #48  $25.00   Barbara           Navy T-shirt hand-stitched  Raven
  #49  $25.00   Jackie            Blue sweatshirt hand-stitched FK logo

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:56:08 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Clips for My Boyfriend is a Vampire (Was Janette or
         Nat)

--- Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......> wrote:
>ď Tell me what to do!  I donít know what to do!ď
> Sorry to interrupt, but can anyone point me to
> transcripts or those clips from My Boyfriend is a Vampire?

You can find the transcript at:
http://www.fkfanfic.com/fkscripts/mbiav.txt
as for that part, it's when Nick confronts Nat in the
precinct hallway. It's not exactly what he says. In
the transcript he says: "What am I supposed to say?
What am I supposed to say to you? I don't know what to
say. Tell me what to say."
and he sounds more frantic than desperate

Cheers
-Sunny


=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"

                           -Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:51:45 -0800
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: Clips for My Boyfriend is a Vampire (Was Janette or Nat)

<<transcripts or those clips from My Boyfriend is a Vampire? >>

Transcript

http://www.fkfanfic.com/fkscripts/mbiav.txt

=====
Desiree

www.knighties.50megs.com
www.suncoastbible.org

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Date:    Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:20:24 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Janette or Nat? more Caddy responses...

In a message dated 2/20/02 3:45:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Timp@d....... writes:

<<  Never did see Nick kiss the Caddy, though. Any cowboy worth his salt in
the old movie days would always  kiss his horse >>
Maybe Nick never <kissed> the Caddy but he did the cowboys one better - he
slept with the Caddy!

<<Nick was *married* to Janette, while he was *cheating* with Natalie in
C&C....>>
Notice that he kept dashing out the door to get away from both of them - and
going to the Caddy!  (as usual).

<>
Clearly, Nat had the tiles installed to match the Caddy.  Everyone loves the
Caddy and the Caddy loves everyone.  The movie The Love Bug was loosely based
upon the Caddy's remarkable sex appeal.


Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
 and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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