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FORKNI-L Digest - 7 Feb 2002 to 8 Feb 2002 (#2002-39)

Fri, 8 Feb 2002

There are 12 messages totalling 410 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. FK Synopsis (2)
  2. 80's Sound Track (3)
  3. Dizzy Brunette (2)
  4. YKY been reading too much Ratpacker (3)
  5. The first unofficial FK site (2)

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Date:    Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:56:58 -0500
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: FK Synopsis

A friend of mine from England found out I'd written some "vampire" (FK)
fiction, and told me to send them to him.  Since he knew nothing about the
series, I figured I'd better send him an, on the whole, unbiased synopsis
before I sent him the stories.  Tell me, if you will, what you think of the
following (bearing in mind that the stories have a UF/Unholy Trinity bent,
and don't mention Schanke, Vachon, or his crew):

Nicholas de Brabant was a disillusioned Crusader when he was "brought
across" in Paris in 1228.  He was seduced by a vampiress named Janette (a
Parisian whore who was brought across about a hundred years previously). Her
master, LaCroix, sort of showed up in the middle of the seduction (probably
planned that way) and basically offered Nicholas eternal life.  He took it,
and LaCroix became his master.  From that time on, Janette and Nicholas were
not only "siblings," but impassioned lovers.  In the series, there was some
slight suggestion that perhaps LaCroix and Nicholas were also rather
"close."  LaCroix certainly seemed to have an abiding obsession with his
"son."  LaCroix, by the way, was a Roman General who was brought across by
his own illegitimate fourteen year old daughter (Divia) in Pompeii at the
eruption of Mt. Vesuvius.

Eventually, Nicholas' conscience began to reassert itself (especially after
an extended encounter with Joan of Arc), and he began to look at his eternal
life in a different way.  He tried at first to fight his feelings,  then
tried to only feast on villains and scum, and then eventually gave up human
blood all together -- he lives on animal blood, mostly steer.  Janette
thought it was foolishness, but LaCroix actively opposed his efforts and did
many things to discourage him in his search to become mortal again.  LaCroix
could be pretty cruel, domineering, and perhaps violent (though the last
isn't exactly certain).  In LaCroix' view,
mortals were vastly inferior (cattle) and mortality was equal to a death
sentence.  Since he loved Nicholas -- looked on him as a friend, brother,
and son (and maybe lover?) -- he did anything in his power to control him
and to prevent him from giving in to his guilt or achieving his goal of
mortality.

The 80's TV series centers on Nicholas' (now named Nick Knight) life in
Toronto as a Police Detective, trying to make amends for his previous
murderous and cruel life.  The Toronto Coroner is a woman (Natalie Lambert)
who knows of Nick's condition and is trying to find a scientific cure for
vampirism -- part of which entails not drinking blood and not using his
vampire powers.  She and Nick have an "unspoken attraction," hampered by the
fact that the mortal women that Nick romances have a tendency to end up
dead.  Janette was already living in Toronto when Nick (or "Nicola," as she
calls him -- spelled "Nicolas") shows up, and LaCroix also gravitates there
(probably following Nick).

The last episode of the series ends with Nick having drained Natalie to the
point of death, and LaCroix apparently agreeing to stake Nicholas to put him
out of his extreme anguish (believe me, that last season was a doozy of sad
and bad things happening!).
*******************

Well, did I leave out anything pertinent?  BTW, I don't really know how old
Divia was supposed to be, but I figured "fourteen" would be a quick way to
give him an idea of her state in life, and that seemed about right to me.

Portia

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Date:    Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:07:00 -0500
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: 80's Sound Track

When I was on the CotK list, we had a discussion about the perfect FK
soundtrack -- a list of songs we'd like to compile to listen to in the car
or whatever that put us in mind of FK.  I don't remember what those songs
were, but I was listening to an all 80's channel on the way home today and
it reminded me of that exercise.  I'm thinking an all 80's list of songs
would be particularly suited to FK, since that is when it aired, after all.
The song that was playing a good part of the way home tonight was "I Wanna
Know What Love Is" by Foreigner.  I think this would be a good song for Nick
and Natpackers, and maybe for some other factions as well -- depending on
how you wanted to stretch it. "g"  Anyway, how about some others?  The
challenge is to keep it in the 80's!  Bonus if you tell us how it fits a
particular character or situation.  And if anybody wants to write some fic
inspired by what we come up with, weeelll, we won't complain! "g"

Here's the lyrics (as reported at the Letssingit Lyrics site) for the song
mentioned above:

 I gotta take a little time
A little time to think things over
I better read between the lines
In case I need it when Im older
Ohhhh
This mountain I must climb
Feels like the world upon my shoulders
Through the clouds I see love shine
It keeps me warm as life grows colder
In my life theres been heartache and pain
I dont know if I can face it again
Cant stop now
Ive travelled so far to change this lonely life

Chorus
I wanna know what love is
I want you to show me
I wanna feel what love is
I know you can show me

Im gonna take a little time
A little time to look around me
Ive got nowhere left to hide
Looks like love has finally found me
In my life theres been heartache and pain
I dont know if I can face it again
Cant stop now
Ive travelled so far to change this lonely life

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Date:    Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:45:21 -0500
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Dizzy Brunette

Well, someone just set me straight on my air-headedness earlier, and I have
no excuse.  Either stress or hormones have fritzed my brain and my memory.
Oh well, I guess I come by my nickname naturally.  Anyway, I STILL really
want to know what kinds of songs people associate with the show, and why.
So, there! "g"

Portia, grinning and bearing it

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Date:    Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:13:42 -0600
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK Synopsis

> Portia wrote:

> Nicholas de Brabant was a disillusioned Crusader when he was "brought
> across" in Paris in 1228.  He was seduced by a vampiress
> named Janette (a Parisian whore who was brought across about a hundred years
> previously).

Janette is 200 years older than Nick.

> Eventually, Nicholas' conscience began to reassert itself (especially
> after an extended encounter with Joan of Arc), and he began to look
> at his eternal life in a different way.  He tried at first to fight his
> feelings,  then tried to only feast on villains and scum, and then eventually

You might mention that Nick regretted his decision almost immediately and wanted
to go back. He then made the best of it and threw himself into the vampire life
for the next 600 years or so.

> The 80's TV series centers on Nicholas' (now named Nick

FK is a 90s series, not 80s.

> Knight) life in
> Toronto as a Police Detective, trying to make amends for his previous

Say he's a homicide detective, which is all the more ironic considering how many
people he's killed through the ages.

> dead.  Janette was already living in Toronto when Nick (or
> "Nicola," as she calls him -- spelled "Nicolas") shows up, and LaCroix also
> gravitates there (probably following Nick).

It's the French pronounciation of his name.

> Well, did I leave out anything pertinent?  BTW, I don't really know
> how old Divia was supposed to be, but I figured "fourteen" would be a
> quick way to give him an idea of her state in life, and that seemed about
> right to me.

Works for me, except for those small details.

Hope he likes your fanfic! If he does, point him to FKFANFIC. That ought to get
him hooked but good!

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:51:15 -0500
From:    Dianne Bugg <ladylc@s.......>
Subject: Re: 80's Sound Track

Hi Portia,
I don't mean to contradict you, but just for information purposes, even
though it seems like forever since the show played, it was actually aired
from 1992 through 1996.  So, perhaps the song list should be updated just a
bit.

Dianne

>Subject: 80's Sound Track


>I'm thinking an all 80's list of songs would be particularly suited to
>FK, since that is when it aired, after all.

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Date:    Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:52:53 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: 80's Sound Track

Well Gee, honestly, everything I listen to on the radio I
associate with FK one way or another. That's why I've never
written a song challenge story; there are simply too many
to choose from. But I like the idea of it being in the
80's, although I can't really contribute since the era is a
tad unknown to me :)


=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"

                           -Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn

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Date:    Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:03:02 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: YKY been reading too much Ratpacker

All,

You know you've been reading too much RP when you're trying to think of the
name of that annoying guy from Saved by the Bell and all you can think of is
SCREED.

I bet a bunch of you can't think of the SBTB guy's name now that I've said
that, either!

Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
 and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:13:04 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: YKY been reading too much Ratpacker

In a message dated Fri, 8 Feb 2002  2:06:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
WRDRR@a....... writes:

>
> I bet a bunch of you can't think of the SBTB guy's name now that I've said
> that, either!
It is something like Screech (I'm not sure of the spelling).

THere is sort of a FK fandom relation to SBTB in a round about way - several
years ago I took a tv script writing course that was taught by one of the former
SBTB writers. LOL. That's the only reason I even know the character's name.

Libs

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Date:    Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:21:40 EST
From:    Meliss9900@a.......
Subject: Re: YKY been reading too much Ratpacker

In a message dated 02/08/2002 1:05:52 PM Central Standard Time, WRDRR@a.......
writes:


> annoying guy from Saved by the Bell and all you can think of is
> SCREED.
>
> I bet a bunch of you can't think of the SBTB guy's name now that I've said
> that, either!
>

 Screech.

Melissa  . .who's really surprised she knew the answer to that one

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Date:    Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:22:07 -0700
From:    Molly Schneider <thestormborn@m.......>
Subject: Re: Dizzy Brunette

Or, as my family refers to it: "Lifestyles of the Easily Distracted." :)

-I always associate Shriekback's 'Shark Walk' with LaCroix
-Santana's 'Black Magic Woman' with Janette
-Soul Asylum's 'Runaway Train' might be a good one for Nick
-Gene Loves Jezebel's 'Heartache' for Nick/LaCroix
-Pam Tillis' 'Mi Vida Loca' for Vachon/Tracy

That's about all I can come up with for now.

Molly/StormBorn
"It isn't fair!"  "You say that so often.  I wonder what your basis for
comparison is."  Sarah and Jareth, Labyrinth
stormborne@e....... -or- thestormborn@m.......

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Date:    Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:35:07 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: The first unofficial FK site

Yesterday I was checking out the web for some FK
information when I sadly discovered that the first
unofficial Forever Knight site at
www.loftworks.com/fktoc.html has disappeared. This site had
been a great source of information for me when I first
started discovering the show and the fandom. Even later,
while writing my stories and working on my webpage I used
it as a research site for all the fine details. Its loss is
a sad thing for the fandom.
Id like to know who owned that site and if s/he still has
the files. If so, Id be willing to host them on my own
server or find it a new home. I was able to save some of
the more valuable pages on my hard-drive through Googles
cache (the html files are still there, albeit without the
images). And for all who have FK pages, please keep them
alive and going; even if your interest in the show has gone
down to a dribble. The last thing we want is for FK to
disappear from the surface of the web as well.


=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk

"Trudging through enternity, hauling my homemade horrors, do you think THAT was
my dream when I was young and evil?"

                           -Mommy Fortuna, The last Unicorn

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Date:    Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:56:19 -0700
From:    Molly Schneider <thestormborn@m.......>
Subject: Re: The first unofficial FK site

Sunny wrote:
>>Yesterday I was checking out the web for some FK information when I sadly
>>discovered that the first unofficial Forever Knight site at
>>www.loftworks.com/fktoc.html has disappeared.<<

That's horrible news!  For me, that site was the best source of information,
especially for fanfic writers.  I add to Sunny's plea:  if the files are
still intact, please let them be hosted on another server/site!

Molly/StormBorn
"It isn't fair!"  "You say that so often.  I wonder what your basis for
comparison is."  Sarah and Jareth, Labyrinth
stormborne@e....... -or- thestormborn@m.......

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