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FORKNI-L Digest - 15 Dec 2001 to 17 Dec 2001 (#2001-375)

Mon, 17 Dec 2001

There are 10 messages totalling 294 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Admin: Forkni-l rules
  2. Christmas trivia questions (2)
  3. Nigel
  4. Christmas Trivia question (2)
  5. St. Nicholas again :)
  6. Think they're sauteed with garlic? "g"
  7. Help!
  8. Lisa Ryder Alert!


Date:    Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:00:37 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Forkni-l rules

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Date:    Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:03:36 -0800
From:    chris thatcher <mb_the_spy@y.......>
Subject: Christmas trivia questions

I thought it would be okay to ask the list this since
we were talking about St. Nicholas earlier.  When
(I've forgotten if this was said already) did he live?
 I was told by someone that he lived in the late 19th
century, and that just didn't sound right.  St. Nick
has the feel of a much much older traditon.  Another
somewhat related question for you pagans out there:
You probably would anyway in deference to popular
custom, but is (was) it traditional to give gifts at
the time of the solstice celebration?  Our discussion
of St. Nicholas was preceeded by a discussion of
gift-giving traditions in different cultures and how
they seemed to all occur in the same December-y period
of time.

Chris ;?

We are the music-makers.  We are the dreamers of dreams.


Date:    Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:49:16 EST
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel

I'm trying this again, (I think I erased the first try).  Nigel's site says
he's in a movie on Tv tonight.  It's called A Town Without Christmas.  It
comes on in CA at 9:00.



Date:    Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:20:37 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Christmas trivia questions

St. Nicholas lived in the 4th century. The mid-19th c. was when the modern Santa
Claus figure was created.

H'mm, LC might have known the St. Nicholas.  Probably didn't like him, as he was
a bishop and Christian holy man, but he might have known him.

I don't know about presents at solstice celebrations, but they're not universal
at Christmas in all Christian cultures. Some emphasize New Year's Day as the day
for giving presents, and some give the children their presents on St. Nicholas's
Day, Dec. 6th.  The Romans did give presents at their solstice festival,
Saturnalia.  I can just see LC trying to give Divia a doll or something equally
unsuitable the first Saturnalia after they were vampires. :)

McL, bringing in FK so as to keep the conversation topical. :)


Date:    Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:36:17 -0500
From:    Patty Costantino <psmoot43@h.......>
Subject: Re: Christmas Trivia question

Chris wrote:  When >snip< did he (St. Nicholas) live?

According to this book that I have on Saints, St. Nicholas lived during the
end of the 3rd century AD and died by the time of the Council of Nicaea
(Nice) in 325 AD.  Although some historians say he attended the debate, and
during one of the more livelier discussions struck an opponent on the jaw to
emphasize a point.  Therefore, I would guess that he probably lived from the
middle 200's to the early 300's.  Does anyone know the exact dates?

Patty  (N&Npacker, Knightie with Dark tendencies and Light Cousin if he



Date:    Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:24:43 -0800
From:    Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: St. Nicholas again :)

Patty writes:
> <snip> some historians say he [Nicholas] attended
> the debate, and during one of the more livelier discussions
>struck an opponent on the jaw to emphasize a point.

For some reason, I can just imagine LC hearing about this during
the Council (the part I cut included the fact that it was the
Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.) and snickering. :)

Thanks, Patty!



Date:    Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:04:27 -0800
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: Christmas Trivia question

When did he (St. Nicholas) live?  -- 3rd century AD ... deceased 325 AD.

Just to add an interesting tidbit.  The modern day Santa was created by
the Coca Cola Company as advertising in the early to mid 1900's.  And then
there is Rudolph our famous Red Noised Reindeer created by Montgomery

I wonder what LaCroix would have to say about this.  "Just another foolish
mortal idea."

Of course I can see LC giving Nick a Santa Suite and a case of Coke
filled with a fine Human Vintage for Christmas.




Date:    Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:36:16 -0500
From:    Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Think they're sauteed with garlic? "g"

Portia is going with some friends to Disney World over the Holidays.  Our
"cruise director" (yes, by some bizarre twist of thinking, we've all adopted
"Love Boat" personaes -- I'm Doc, and don't ask "g") sent links to all of the
restaurants where we will be eating.  Below is a selection from "Emeril's."  I
think it is sad that, although it sounds tasty in its own right, I am
predominately draw to this meal b/c of the *potatoes!*  LOL

Seared Sirloin Strip
From the Wood-Burning Oven with a Fresh Horseradish-Parsley Crust, Sautéed
Brabant Potatoes, Pearl Onions, Wilted Spinach and a Homemade Worcestershire

I've decided to eat them with gusto, suspecting that Natalie would make the same
choice! LOL



Date:    Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:00:14 -0600
From:    Nichole A Knight <cdisiere@j.......>
Subject: Help!

Help me!!  I can't find any of my favorites, and I need new copies to the
'Shay Series', can anyone tell me where I can find them on the net?


"I am what I am, and I don't think Betty Ford takes vampires."
               ~Detective Nick Knight/Nicholas de Brabant "Forever Knight"


Date:    Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:31:18 EST
From:    KnightLaw1@a.......
Subject: Lisa Ryder Alert!

Hi everyone!

The January issue of Starlog magazine has a small piece on the creation of
Andromeda action figures.  The character of "Becka Valentine" has her own
doll.  I think they are supposed to come out next month.  Just thought I'd
pass it along.

Happy Holidays and a Joyous New Year!

"You must understand the whole of life, not just one little part of it.  That
is why you must read, that is why you must look at the skies, that is why you
must sing, and dance, and write poems, and suffer, and understand, for all
that is life."


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