FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 15 Nov 2001 to 16 Nov 2001 (#2001-346)
Fri, 16 Nov 2001
There are 23 messages totalling 589 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. FK Ad Libs (9)
2. Nick not such a nice guy; response from the NadaNick&NatPacker ;-)
3. Time question for fanfic (5)
4. Ad Libs
5. Alumni Alert!
6. Mortal Love webpage (or a web page for N&NPackers)
7. Ger in Trudeau miniseries? (2)
8. Nick not such a nice guy; response from the
NadaNick&NatPacker ;-)
9. LaCroix, the Party Animal (2)
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:00:58 +0100
From: Lorin <vachesang@1.......>
Subject: Re: FK Ad Libs
Evelyn wrote:
> BTW, there was a story in which LaCroix visited Tubbyland
> and turned the Tubbies while they slept.
I have been trying to *forget* that story ever since I first read it.
Just imagine.... immortal Teletubbies.... <shudders>
Actually, it was pretty funny - anyone remember who wrote it or what it
was called?
Lor
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:53:02 EST
From: WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick not such a nice guy; response from the NadaNick&NatPacker ;-)
In a message dated 11/14/01 7:36:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mistryder@h....... writes:
<< nd I found it very good. Certainly better thought out than your original
comments. (I learned a good deal from reading it, too.) -Megan
>>
;-) I try to keep it short - y'all saw what happens once I really start
typing!
Casting T. F. Stone / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:38:09 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: FK Ad Libs
> Evelyn wrote:
> > BTW, there was a story in which LaCroix visited Tubbyland
> > and turned the Tubbies while they slept.
Lor responded
> Actually, it was pretty funny - anyone remember who wrote it or what it
> was called?
That was too weird even for me. :)
The only way I want to see either an immortal Teletubbies or Barney the
Dinosaur is flambe'd (or however you spell that) by hordes of angry villager
parents waving sharpened tv remotes.
Give me the Muppets! Cookie Monster rules! (Yes, the CM was my
toddler-years idol.... which is why my waistline is the girth it is. 0_o *
Curse you, Cookie!
Where is the addy for that Ad Libs thing? I must have missed it
Kyer, kyer@p.......
de-lurking
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:36:09 -0500
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant@h.......>
Subject: Time question for fanfic
Hi-
I have the story written and I am just tweaking it before posting it. I have
been meaning to ask... what is the canon (is there one) for the dating of
"Queen of Harps". My story takes place just after that when Nick is on his
way to join up with the crusade going to Jerusalem.
I am wondering on the timing, because I may have to adjust certain items. I
have it as circa 1225-6.
Also, (having a BA in history I should know this, but I don't) What would
one call a group of knights going off to the crusades? I'm thinking 'army'
but for some reason it doesn't sound right to me. If it is correct, fine.
Maybe I just need a second opinion.
Thanks in advance for any help!
-Amanda
http://www.geocities.com/towerkeep/tower.html
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:21:58 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Time question for fanfic
----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Berendt" <debrabant@h.......>
> Also, (having a BA in history I should know this, but I don't) What would
> one call a group of knights going off to the crusades?
Fools.
(Well, look what happened to Nicholas!)
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:28:18 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Ad Libs
Nicholas wasn't the only blond, but LaCroix decided that he wanted to be
different. "Mon Deiu," exclaimed Janette, while Natalie quietly went about
finding a quick exit. That will do it for me, she thought to herself. See
if I help him with a new hair style, next time! And all the while, Vachon
wondered what had happened to his Halloween hair dye kit.
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
Found this late (thanks, Portia for forwarding!) sorry for typos and such!
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:07:25 -0600
From: "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK Ad Libs
> > BTW, there was a story in which LaCroix visited Tubbyland
> > and turned the Tubbies while they slept.
Actually, I was trying to find out what those seemingly incoherent posts were
all about. I never thought of the game "Mad Libs" (which I've only played once,
but it was with FK people). I know about the teletubbies!
I've been klewed in, thanks very much!
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......
No longer klewless, at least in this regard
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:10:54 -0600
From: "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Alumni Alert!
I just found out that Gary Farmer is going to be a guest on West Wing next week!
That makes two FK alumni on the award-winning show---John Kapelos played a labor
union man in an episode last season.
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Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:12:48 -0600
From: CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK Ad Libs
At 12:00 AM 11/16/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>Evelyn wrote:
>
>> BTW, there was a story in which LaCroix visited Tubbyland
>> and turned the Tubbies while they slept.
And Lor responded:
>Actually, it was pretty funny - anyone remember who wrote it or what it
>was called?
Sue Clark wrote one called "Eh-Oh, LaCroix" involving LaCroix and the
Tubbies. It's quite funny and may be found at Mel's www.fkfanfic.com site.
Marci C
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:20:30 -0600
From: "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Time question for fanfic
> Amanda Berendt wrote:
> don't) What would one call a group of knights going off to the crusades? I'm
> thinking 'army' but for some reason it doesn't sound right to me. If it is
> correct, fine. Maybe I just need a second opinion.
Hmmm, what *would* one call a group of knights?
A shield of knights?
A surcoat of knights?
A cheval of knights?
A gallantry of knights?
Any more suggestions?
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:24:27 -0800
From: Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Time question for fanfic
Not sure, other than Crusaders, but here is a good resource for
information. This is from the Internet Medieval Source Book web site
and is an account of the fourth crusade. They have a good crusade
section.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/villehardouin.html
Here is also a link to information about Fredick II's Crusade, which
occurred between 1228 and 1229, and which might have been Nick's
crusade:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1228frederick2.html
--- "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......> wrote:
> Hmmm, what *would* one call a group of knights?
=====
Emily M. Hanson
Home page - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:36:59 EST
From: BrandyKitt@a.......
Subject: Re: FK Ad Libs
In a message dated 11/15/2001 5:38:37 PM Central Standard Time,
kyer@p....... writes:
<<
Give me the Muppets! Cookie Monster rules! (Yes, the CM was my
toddler-years idol.... which is why my waistline is the girth it is. 0_o *
Curse you, Cookie!
>>
I wonder what LaCroix would think of Animal; I love Animal.
For those of you who don't know him, he was the band
drummer on the Muppet Show.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@a.......
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:50:12 -0600
From: Nichole A Knight <cdisiere@j.......>
Subject: Mortal Love webpage (or a web page for N&NPackers)
I have been looking all over the web for the homepage to Nick and Natalie
fiction, but the Mortal Love website is no longer there. Any suggestions
as to where and if a homepage exists? @-->-->
I believe I am finally seeing which affiliation(s) I belong to. :-)
Nichole
"I am what I am, and I don't think Betty Ford takes vampires."
~Detective Nick Knight/Nicholas de Brabant "Forever
Knight"
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:46:02 EST
From: MRKKaye@a.......
Subject: Re: Time question for fanfic
I find little things like this so irritating because I can't stop looking
until I find the answer - regardless of the hour. SO - three encyclopaedias
and 2 dictionaries later - according to the World Book Encyclopedia
Dictionary -
---- a COMPANY of knights ----
As well as a lot of other trivia I came across along the way. But that's
another thread.
Good-night
Marla K.
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:12:56 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: FK Ad Libs
(I hate having truncated Internet time!--kyer)
McLisa never did recover her lost sanity. Luckily, the List Gardiner wasn't
afraid to follow suit by declaring himself King of All Things Forkn-L.
However, when Tim was sent to the dungeon for a mere typo, Kyer wasn't about
to nitpick. And who would have expected Molly to be made Queen! Well,
evidently Kylie did, because why else was she wearing a "I luv Die
Hard/Uffish' tee shirt? But why Diane was too was always to be a mystery.
Why, if it hadn't been for Elise and her free Save The Knight ad 8x10
glossies for everyone, the N&N Pack and the UFfers would have started War
12! Of course, David brought Ribena, along with chocolate and coffee-marked
Tuscon street maps. But, as usual, Portia once more lost her honeysticks
due to cork duty.
And the stain never did resemble St. Heiferd!!!
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
with apologies for being late!
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:42:09 -0500
From: Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK Ad Libs
LOL! I knew the Splintered One would do this one up right! And boy, is the
below more than likely! "g" Good thing we never did finish our CotK Round Robin
or the UFfers would not have rested until they found out how I ended up covered
with honey and running for my life to Toronto! <relieved sigh> "eg"
Portia
Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
But, as usual, Portia once more lost her honeysticks
due to cork duty.
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:55:52 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: FK Ad Libs
> Evelyn Duncan> I wonder what LaCroix would think of Animal; I love Animal.
> For those of you who don't know him, he was the band
> drummer on the Muppet Show.
Oh gosh, yes! Animal is wonderful! The Cookie Monster/Tazmanian Devil in
red and stuck on permanent hyper-drive. I don't think LaCroix would be
amused at such baseness (isn't the Q-tipped one rather aristocratic?)
Screed would probably become his bosum buddy, though. I can see them both
running down an alley after muppet mice; Screed being dragged along while
holding onto Animal's leash for dear unlife."Mousey! Mousey! Mousey!"
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:44:39 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: FK Ad Libs
> > For those of you who don't know him, he was the band
> > drummer on the Muppet Show.
> I don't think LaCroix would be amused at such baseness (isn't the Q-tipped
> one rather aristocratic?)
Perhaps. I - however - would like to think that Animal
represents qualities that LaCroix would admire. After, all, Animal
has the courage to indulge in being what he is rather than denying
his self-nature.
I think the two would have an interesting conversation - once
LaCroix got the hang of using the electrified cattleprod.
Tim
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:29:41 -0500
From: Lindy Cooksey <lindy@w.......>
Subject: Ger in Trudeau miniseries?
Did I miss this bit of info? This was in Rita Zekas' Stargazing column
about Colm Feore in the TO Star. Full article at
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/A
rticle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1005865307092&call_page=TS_Entertainment_Colu
mnists&call_pageid=970599111101&call_pagepath=Entertainment/Columnists
or
go to http://www.thestar.com, select "star columnists" from the left hand
menu, then Rita Zekas, and the item titled "The sweet smell of Sussex"
>And he is playing the Northern Magus himself, Pierre Eliott Trudeau in the
>CBC miniseries directed by Jerry Ciccoritti, which wrapped on Tuesday.
>"What a kick," he enthuses. "Jerry Ciccoritti is a f------ genius. This guy is a
>wizard with extending CBC resources. We got dozens of the best actors:
>R.H. Thomson, Eric Peterson, Patrick McKenna, Polly Shannon, Don
>McKellar, Geraint Wyn Davies.
Lindy :)
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:26:03 -0800
From: StormBorn <stormborne@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nick not such a nice guy; response from the
NadaNick&NatPacker ;-)
Casting wrote:
>>This is why FK is so brilliant. It is mythic. Look how everyone relates
so personally.<<
Yup. <g>
>>We are all trying to improve our flawed ego-based little s selves and
become enlightened big S cosmic Selves.<<
I have to disagree with this. There are some of us--perhaps the more
fatalistic and cynical--who are just trying to keep a roof over our heads,
food in our bellies, and find a little laughter and happiness along the way.
In fact, on thinking it over, I think a great many people are seeking, not
self-improvement, but happiness. Nick isn't happy killing, but is he any
happier *not* killing? Therein lies the dilemma, methinks.
I enjoyed your analysis. My feeling is that if redemption is the issue,
Nick is redeemed by his change-of-heart towards killing, not through any
acts he may or may not commit. This is an old theological debate: are we
saved by faith alone, or by faith and good works?
I don't see Nick as the Shapeshifter/Trickster; if that archetype applies to
any of the FK characters, it applies most to LaCroix, whose motives are
always suspect and who sometimes seems to do 'good' in order to do harm, or
seems to do 'evil' in order to do good.
Nick is the archetypal Hero, but the Hero does not need to die. True, it is
hard for us to accept Heroes settling down happily to a mundane life (and
Tennyson wrote a wonderful poem on this, titled either 'Odysseus' or
'Ulysses', I forget).
If Nick is the Beast, then the question becomes 'can the Beast be redeemed,
or is it impossible for him to change his essential nature?' We can also
ask, 'is it necessary for Nick to be redeemed?'
For me, myth and archetypes aside, the essential question of FK is: "What
does it mean to be 'human'?"
We wouldn't still be on this list if we didn't all have our own
interpretations of these questions and our own answers. <g>
Molly/StormBorn,
wading through 168 emails...heroically! <g>
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:18:45 -0500
From: Portia Eins <portia1@m.......>
Subject: LaCroix, the Party Animal
>>>>I - however - would like to think that Animal represents qualities that
LaCroix would admire. <snip> I think the two would have an interesting
conversation - once LaCroix got the hang of using the electrified cattleprod.
Tim Phillips<<<<<<
Funny you and Kyer would bring up this discussion; I was thinking about this
very subject on my way back into the office from lunch. I was thinking how most
of us perceive LC as this urbane aristocrat with sophisticated tastes. BUT, I
still think most of us (including myself) have neglected exploring the side of
LaCroix that was not only comfortable, but successful as a *rock* disc-jockey
and a very...hmmm...zestful strip show emcee. Think about Nick's fantasy of
himself and LC as rock stars -- I think he was giving us a glimpse of LaCroix
that we didn't see very often on the *show,* but that might have been very
evident to those who hung out with him enough. I think he could be the coldly
controlled sophisticate AND the wild play-boy, whichever suited him at the time.
Though I've always pictured him in his 50's, it was recently discussed here that
he was more likely in his 40's -- just about the right time for a second
"childhood" and a new set of wild oats! "g"
As for the comment regarding the cattle prod...well, I have an uneasy suspicion
that he probably is very familiar with that instrument, along with many other
forms of persuasion/amusement....Brrrr! "g"
Portia
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:30:58 -0400
From: Teresa Floyd <tfloyd@n.......>
Subject: Re: Ger in Trudeau miniseries?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lindy Cooksey" <lindy@w.......>
Subject: Ger in Trudeau miniseries?
> >And he is playing the Northern Magus himself, Pierre Eliott Trudeau in the
> >CBC miniseries directed by Jerry Ciccoritti, which wrapped on
> >Tuesday....We got dozens of the best actors:
> >R.H. Thomson, Eric Peterson, Patrick McKenna, Polly Shannon, Don
> >McKellar, Geraint Wyn Davies.
I have GOT to see this one--Trudeau shaped my entire political
consciousness, and then a line-up like that!
Ger-eau-Mania!
LapLor
tfloyd@n.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:28:37 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix, the Party Animal
From: "Portia Eins" But, I still think most of us (including myself) have
neglected exploring the side of LaCroix that was not only comfortable, but
successful as a *rock* disc-jockey and a very...hmmm...zestful strip show
emcee.
I still prefer to think that during that fantasy Nick was on spoiled cow's
milk ala Season 3. As for LaCroix as the emcee.... Someone obviously
slipped him a Mickey. Probably Screed home from his Disney World trip and
upset that the love of his life, Janette wasn't there anymore.
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
No, I'm not taking anything. It's just sleep deprivation.
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