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FORKNI-L Digest - 11 Nov 2001 to 12 Nov 2001 (#2001-342)

Mon, 12 Nov 2001

There are 33 messages totalling 849 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. question of the week (9)
  2. LaCroix' instrument.... (5)
  3. Surprise Nigel Bennett sighting - Paint Cans (2)
  4. question of the week -- Schanke (3)
  5. plane crash
  6. Admin: Re: plane crash (3)
  7. OT: the geography of Queens
  8. LaCroix help (7)
  9. unknown song
 10. looking for fic

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Date:    Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:02:27 -0500
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week

At first he would be jazzed and keep repeating, "I knew it! I KNEW it!"  And
then (in rapid succession) he would be mad -- "How could you keep this from
me, PARTNER??  And what was all that with making me feel like I was losing
my mind?  You jerk!  Trying to make me feel like a schmuck??"  And then he'd
spend a little time feeling paranoid -- "You looking at my neck, Nick?
D'you eat before we left?  I told you to eat before we left!!"  And then
he'd settle in to making what *he* thought were subtle, sly references and
jokes --  "Makes ya wanna sink your teeth into this case, doesn't it,
Partner?" and coming very close, at times, and to Nick's escalating
frustration, to giving the whole thing away.  On the whole...maybe it was
better that Nick never told him.... "g"

Portia

> --- Tracey Rayner <trayner@p.......> wrote:
> > This weeks question is "How do you think Schanke would react if
> > Nick had sat him down and told him that he was a vampire?"

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Date:    Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:18:27 -0600
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week

> This weeks question is "How do you think Schanke would react
> if Nick had sat him down and told him that he was a vampire?"

I think Schanke would have been horrified at first, but his complete acceptance
of his partner despite his weirdnesses would come to the fore and he would be
all right with the concept.

Although I can see him pestering Nick with questions about "the olden days":
what did he eat, what did he wear, what were the Crusades like, did he wear
underwear, what were the girls like then... until Nick was ready to toss him out
of the car. <g>

Man oh man, the mind reels!

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:54:59 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistryder@h.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week

>This weeks question is "How do you think Schanke would react if Nick had
>sat him down and told him that he was a vampire?"

First off, I proclaim a messy-flaming-stake       on the vandals!!!
Secondly, I think Schanke would be OK with it after a minor 'you gotta be
kidding me' episode.  I mean, he manages to handle all of Nick's weird
qualities without a problem, why not the cause?  But some people have
mentioned him ribbing Nick about it, and I can't see that.  Schanke's a bit
insensitive, yes, but he doesn't do it knowingly; it's just part of his
nature.  If anything, I think he'd become very protective of Nick once he
knew the cause of his odd behavior.  (Remember when Nick reacated badly to
the chick that was layed out in a cross in 'For I Have Sinned'?  Schanke
jumped right to his defense.)  I can just see him hounding other officers
who try making        about Nick's habits and behavior.  ("Knock it off!
The guy's got his reasons.  I don't see YOU solving the stuff he does!")
Schanke's as subtle as a brick wall, but he's very loyal.
.02 duely paid.  (I don't suppose you'd accept Guatemalen Quetzales?)
            -Megan

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a day."

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Date:    Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:02:49 EST
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@c.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week

 "You looking at my neck, Nick?
D'you eat before we left?  I told you to eat before we left!!"

Portia, I think you hit the nail on the head.  I can hear Schanke saying
these exact things. It would have been a blast to see Schanke deal with
Nick's being a Vampire.

Does any one think after the fun was over would he have been able to deal
with knowing Nick was a killer of Thousands?

Jeannie

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Date:    Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:37:19 -0800
From:    Jarvinia <jarvinia@g.......>
Subject: LaCroix' instrument....

Question out of curiosity, and also for a fic....  Does anyone know
what the instrument that LaCroix is seen with in the episodes Dark
Knight and/or Bad Blood is?  Or, for that matter, does anyone know what
they are supposed to be?

Thanks,
Jarvinia

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Date:    Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:28:25 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix' instrument....

IIRC, it is a Renaissance period instrument called a
Rebec, precursor to the violin.

Laurie of the Isles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarvinia" <jarvinia@g.......>


> Question out of curiosity, and also for a fic....  Does anyone know
> what the instrument that LaCroix is seen with in the episodes Dark
> Knight and/or Bad Blood is?  Or, for that matter, does anyone know what
> they are supposed to be?

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Date:    Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:44:32 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: LaCroix' instrument....

In a message dated 11/11/01 8:29:46 PM Central Standard Time,
Laudon1965@c....... writes:

<<
 IIRC, it is a Renaissance period instrument called a
 Rebec, precursor to the violin. >>
Actually, an ancient instrument "expert" here several years ago said it isn't
exactly a Rebec. In fact, as close as she could tell, it was a German
instrument of the 19th century that was suppose to be placed on a table and
bowed, not held<g> I lost her explanation in a computer crash, but it was
very interesting.

However, I have seen it refered to as a Rebec in fanfic. When I've used in it
fic, I've just called it a "precursor to the violin." ROTFL ;-D

Libby

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Date:    Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:39:29 -0800
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week

Schanke would probably deal the same way Nat did, by realizing Nick
had changed and was working to make his life better...and the world a
better place.

--- Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@c.......> wrote:
> Does any one think after the fun was over would he have been able
> to deal with knowing Nick was a killer of Thousands?


=====
Emily M. Hanson
Home page - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com

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Date:    Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:58:14 -0800
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week

> Does any one think after the fun was over would he have been able to deal
> with knowing Nick was a killer of Thousands?

I think he would have a hard time believing it, but that once it settled
in, he would have to take some time to really think about it.  He's seen
what a good man Nick is now, so I think that ultimately he would be able
to overcome whatever trepidation or sadness he felt. He would probably be
relieved to know the truth, as it would make Nick much easier for him to
understand~ or at least make it easier to deal with his mood swings.
Once he realized that Nick was truly a reformed vampire, the teasing
would resume.


KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:30:56 -0500
From:    Dianne Bugg <ladylc@s.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week

To respond to your question about Schanke's reaction to knowing Nick was a
vampire, I think I'd have to refer to Dorothy Elggren's story Trust.  It's
so in tune with what I think Don Schanke would have done.  It's written
after Close Call, showing what might have happened had Schanke continued to
believe that Nick was a vampire and  how he would have worked through it.  I
highly recommend it.

Dianne

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:33:09 EST
From:    Lynne Ackerman <Lynnea212@a.......>
Subject: Re: Surprise Nigel Bennett sighting - Paint Cans

I've read the criticisms of Nigel's movie, Paint Cans, and I feel I have to
come out and defend it...that is, to present an opposing point of view.

Actually, Paint Cans is hysterically funny if you know anything about making
movies...or about show business in general...in Canada.  It was, after all, a
movie made by - and for - Canadians, and as such it's extremely well-done.

You can't compare Canadian movies to U.S. ones, in most cases.  They're made
for an entirely different audience, and for a completely different mindset.
And while most Canadians enjoy and can appreciate movies from all over the
world, including those from the U.S., I've heard it said that the Canadian
sense of humour is often too subtle for a lot of U.S. moviegoers to
appreciate.  Paint Cans may be a case in point.  But believe me, for those in
Canada who have the knowledge of how show business works here, Paint Cans is
funny, witty, acerbic, intelligent, sophisticated and right on the mark!

Storrmborn mentioned that Michael McManus was also in the movie.  So are Paul
Gross (from Due South), and his wife Martha Burns - she was also in Passage
of the Heart with Nigel.  It's always tickled my funnybone (maybe it's that
different Canadian sense of humour again <g>) that Nigel got to roll around
in bed (in *reel* life) with both Paul and Martha (a *real*-life couple).  In
different movies, of course - with Paul in Paint Cans, and with Martha in
Passage of the Heart.

A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North").  Via e-mail:  lynnea212@a.......
                          ** Help support Forever Knight.  Ask me how. **

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 04:19:52 -0400
From:    Teresa Floyd <tfloyd@n.......>
Subject: Re: Surprise Nigel Bennett sighting - Paint Cans

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynne Ackerman" <Lynnea212@a.......>

> Actually, Paint Cans is hysterically funny if you know anything about making
> movies...or about show business in general...in Canada.  It was, after all, a
> movie made by - and for - Canadians, and as such it's extremely well-done.

Respectfully submitting that I *am* Canadian, right down to adamantly
watching, explaining, and defending films like Jesus de Montreal,
Videodrome, and Exotica.  I even liked Kissed (1996), though it made me
cringe a bit.  I'm Canadian to the point of being occasionally accused of
being 'anti-American' when my nationalism shines it's brightest and
answering every US cop drama with some Canadian series like Wojeck or
Forever Knight, Blue Murder or Da Vinci's Inquest.

> ... believe me, for those in
> Canada who have the knowledge of how show business works here, Paint Cans is
> funny, witty, acerbic, intelligent, sophisticated and right on the mark!

This may well be true.  I did let my film society membership expire sometime
about the point when I filmed my final for a Women in Film course in 92,
limiting me to late night on Showcase for the real 'good stuff'.  I've also
not been through a cultural grant process since working for a museum
association about three years ago.

Paint Cans was unapproachable and slow even for me as a Canadian who should
have been able to get at least some of the 'in' jokes.  I was even pretty
much awake at the time but eventually I turned the tape off to watch
something like Street Cents or Road to Avonlea or This Hour Has 22 Minutes
(heck, I'd rather have been watching This Hour Has Seven Days if it was
still available).

About all the enjoyment I found in it was watching for alum from other
favourite movies and shows.  Note for Lexx fans, Lex Gigeroff (Lexx writer
and occasional guest actor) also plays a role in Paint Cans. There weren't
enough Forever Knight alumnae to make it interesting though.

If Paint Cans was one huge 'in joke' then I'm sure as far from being 'in' as
it gets.

--
LapLor (Maybe I'm out of it cause I work in the fast-paced, exciting world
of Canadian banking)
tfloyd@n.......

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 04:21:25 EST
From:    Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week -- Schanke

It's interesting to contemplate what might actually *make* Nick disclose his
"condition" to Schanke. It's not something he's actually ever told any mortal
who didn't already suspect, or know, about it, is it?

And I imagine that there's no way Schanke would think that Nick was doing
anything more than pulling his leg -- "Aw, come on, now, Nick! Vampire? You?
<snort> Yeah, right. If you're a vampire, I must be Tom Cruise."

I could even see Schanke having to confront the existence of vampires in TO
but still exempting Nick from being one of them -- the denizens of the Raven
are certainly "strange" enough, but, shoot ... Nick's such a good cop that he
manages to coexist with them to use them as sources of information, is all!

I think his loyalty to his partner would keep him from thinking of Nick as
anything other than his exceptionally ... er ... lucky ... partner <g>.


Julia
Opinionated? Moi?
jkocich@a.......
Truth is complicated. Ideas are simpler. That is their attraction.

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:14:21 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix' instrument....

Jarvinia asks:
>Does anyone know what the instrument that LaCroix is seen with in
>the episodes Dark Knight and/or Bad Blood is?

I don't remember what the one in Bad Blood looked like, but I do remember the
one in DK. This is mainly because I thought it was a rebec. It's not. I hope
someone else remembers what it did look like.

Someone else identified the actual prop as appearing to be a German table
zither! Unfortunately this was after Nigel had signed off, so we couldn't ask
him if the prop had legs under it on the side the audience couldn't see. If it
did, the identification is proved.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 05:37:21 -0800
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week -- Schanke

Sorry, I can't resist the opportunity for a shameless plug.  I wrote
a fanfic series in which the FK vampires are unintentionally "outed."
 You can find it at my website and the fkfanfic2 site at
http://fkfanfic2.0catch.com/.  I'm also currently working on a
sequel.

--- Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......> wrote:
>It's interesting to contemplate what might actually *make* Nick
>disclose his "condition" to Schanke. It's not something he's
>actually ever told any mortal  who didn't already suspect, or know,
>about it, is it?


=====
Emily M. Hanson
Home page - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:58:14 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: plane crash

An American Airlines Airbus A300 bound for
Santo Domingo has crashed after takeoff from
JFK in the Rockaways in Queens, NY.  I know
we have listmembers in Queens.  Julia are you
okay?

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:05:22 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Re: plane crash

Laurie writes:
>An American Airlines Airbus A300 bound for
>Santo Domingo has crashed after takeoff from
>JFK in the Rockaways in Queens, NY.  I know
>we have listmembers in Queens.  Julia are you okay?

Yes, are we all ok? I realize that's the suburbs but it's also a heavily
populated area.

I hope this won't turn out to be terrorism. It's tragic enough as an accident.

McLisa
listowner, Forkni-l
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:05:24 -0500
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix' instrument....

Well, damn Sam!  Lately I've started feeling embarrassed about my old fic,
wondering how many mistakes I made (through lack of...um...experience <blush
"g">, and just losing the thread of "reality").  I went with "rebec" 'cause
I picked it up from fanon -- I even did a little bit of research on the
instrument, but not enough to find a picture or a full description.  Ugh.
Oh well....good thing I'm not a journalist! "g"

Portia

----- Original Message -----
> However, I have seen it refered to as a Rebec in fanfic. When I've used in
> it fic, I've just called it a "precursor to the violin." ROTFL ;-D
>
> Libby

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:09:14 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: question of the week -- Schanke

I also think Schanke might not believe it at first. When he did, I think he'd
give a lot of lip service to "Doesn't matter, ya know" and be full of
questions. However, I think he'd also be very nervous, almost comically so.
Sort of like when a stereotypical macho athlete (for example) finds out his
best male buddy for years, a person he's showered with, shared a bed with,
and so forth is gay.

He'd try not to judge, but subconsciously would be having a very difficult
time (which would be used for a lot of comic relief if it had been shown in
episodes). But he'd gradually get very used to the idea and start teasing
Nick. He might carefully watch Nick around Myra and Jenny for quite a while,
though.

Despite all the above, Nick would still be Nick to him after the initial
shock wore off.

Libs

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:50:28 -0800
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: plane crash

I know that they're saying that this doesn't look like a terrorist
attack, but since yesterday *was* the two month 'anniversary' (I hate
using that word, as it usually signifies something good, but I can't
think of another word to use at the moment) of the Sept. 11th attacks,
doesn't it seem just a little too coincidental?
I hope that it is just a tragic, freak accident.  The idea that
terrorists could manage to get onto another airplane, especially in light
of 09/11, is just a little too frightening.
If you live in or around Queens, please let us know that you're okay.
My prayers are with you all.

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:46:46 -0600
From:    Nichole A Knight <cdisiere@j.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:58:01 +1300 Tracey Rayner
<trayner@p.......> writes:
> This weeks question is "How do you think Schanke would react if Nick
> had sat him down and told him that he was a vampire?"

I would say that Don would jump out of his seat and yell 'I knew it!  I
just knew it!' while jumping up and down in one spot.  After he calmed
down, Schanke would then start a personal pool on how old Nick really is.
 (Of course, there would only be one bet in the pool though.  Unless he
enlists Nat's opinion, but there would not be a chance of him winning.
She already knows the answer.)

Nichole

"I am what I am, and I don't think Betty Ford takes vampires."
               ~Detective Nick Knight/Nicholas de Brabant "Forever Knight"


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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:07:41 -0500
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Admin: Re: plane crash

At 10:05 AM 11/12/2001 -0500, McLisa wrote:

>Yes, are we all ok? I realize that's the suburbs but it's also a heavily
>populated area.

Actually, you have it wrong on both counts. Queens is technically part of
New York City, and the Rockaways include large stretches of beach -- and at
one time, bungalows (not sure if these areas have been rebuilt or are still
lying undeveloped). From the news reports, the plane did crash into a
residential neighborhood...

>I hope this won't turn out to be terrorism. It's tragic enough as an accident.

 From the description on MSN, it sounds like it was a normal enough mode of
aircraft failure. Maintenance error, structural failure, possibly even bird
ingestion... We'll see when the NTSB report comes out...

BTW, I was on a train in New Jersey at the time, and am unharmed.


Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
         UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/
Gerthering 3 Photos:  http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/gertherng/
Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:16:15 EST
From:    Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: OT: the geography of Queens

Sorry, Lisa.

Since several folks have written to me, I thought I'd explain where the plane
went down for anyone who isn't acquainted with the geography of NYC.

The AA flight went down in the Rockaways, right on the Atlantic Ocean, the
southern edge of western Queens. I don't know of any FK folks who live in the
Rockaways, although that doesn't mean there aren't any.

Thanks to all who expressed concern. And I'm sure we all feel for the victims
of this accident.

Best,
Julia
jkocich@a.......
AIM: jkocich
MSN: jkocich@y.......

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:57:26 -0800
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: LaCroix help

Does anyone know the link (or links) to the sound bite, er... byte... of
LaCroix saying, "If you love something, let it go. If it doesn't come
back, hunt it down and kill it."?   I can't remeber where to find it.
Also, if anyone knows where to find any Nightcrawler monologues, that
would be great, too!  Thanks!

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:08:34 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistryder@h.......>
Subject: Re: question of the week

I still think you-all (I write it that way because I'm from Utah, not the
south) are seriously underestimating the sheer strength of Schanke's loyal
nature and the love (brotherly) he feels for Nick.
        -Megan

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a day."

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:19:02 -0500
From:    judycat@p.......
Subject: Re: LaCroix help

>Does anyone know the link (or links) to the sound
>bite, er... byte... of LaCroix saying, "If you love
>something, let it go. If it doesn't come back, hunt
>it down and kill it."?

Isn't that on one of the the music CDs???

Judy

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:21:54 -0700
From:    Michelle <mlp9@d.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix help

>Does anyone know the link (or links) to the sound bite, er... byte... of
>LaCroix saying, "If you love something, let it go. If it doesn't come
>back, hunt it down and kill it."?


Yep! Its on the first soundtrack CD.

~Cousin Michelle

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:24:39 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistryder@h.......>
Subject: Re: unknown song

Thanks to everyone who sent me the name/artist of "Tonight and the rest of
my life"!  I have a copy of it now.
             -Megan  (Happy person! :)  )

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a day."


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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:35:29 -0500
From:    Gladys Bears <rockiebears@n.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix help

"K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......> wrote:

>Also, if anyone knows where to find any Nightcrawler monologues, that
>would be great, too!

Hi, KC,

The CERK monologues are at:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Portal/6866/

(Great work, Shana! :))
Gladys


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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:35:24 -0800
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix help

I know it's on the CD's, but unfortunately, I don't have them. :(
Anyone know of a website with .wav files?
Thank you!


KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:49:06 -0800
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix help

Thanks, Gladys!  And actually, it's FOR Shana!  I love to hate LaCroix,
but I'm not infatuated with him, like she is. :)

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:00:47 -0800
From:    "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix help

Ooops!  That last message was supposed to be offlist.


KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:03:57 -0800
From:    Aviva Blumenthal <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: looking for fic

Does anyone know where the sequel(s) to Michele Alexander's
"Weathering the Storm" is/are archived?
I can't seem to find them anywhere.
Thanks.

=====
Viv

Don't annoy the crazy person

Life's a witch and then you fly

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