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FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Oct 2001 to 21 Oct 2001 (#2001-316)

Sun, 21 Oct 2001

There are 27 messages totalling 949 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. New book with FK in it
  2. An Anniversary
  3. How to shoot yourself in the foot... (3)
  4. New Birthday List!
  5. (no subject) (5)
  6. LCA4
  7. LCA related...
  8. Question of the week (8)
  9. Bjirthday List
 10. Birfday info
 11. Admin: Rules for Forkni-l
 12. Another question
 13. ADMIN -- BIRTHDAY replies go offlist.q
 14. Fw: Question of the week

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Date:    Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:44:07 -0300
From:    Heather-Anne Gillis <ba115@c.......>
Subject: New book with FK in it

Hi, folks! I was just at a local bookstore, and I found a book called "The
Complete Idiot's Guide to Vampires" by Jay Stevenson.  There were two
pages on our own FK! It was neat to see it mentioned.

Have a Happy Hallowe'en!

Heather-Anne :)

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Date:    Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:07:41 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: An Anniversary

Hi all!
Although Iím still in the lurking mode I thought Iíd say
this because it is somewhat an important thing for me. It
is mid October and I was just reminded that it was last
year, around this time, that I first found out about FK
(not the show, but about what existed about and around the
show, i.e. The fanfiction and the fandom). I donít know the
exact date but I remember that one day, mid October last
year, I was bored and did a search on vampire related
fanfiction that ended in fkfanfic.com. Thatís how it all
started for me, and hey, itís been a year now. I just
wanted to say what an amazing experience that had been and
how much of a happier person I am right now compared to
last year, all because of this wonderful community. Thank
you all for contributing so much to this brilliant premise
and for being such great writers, webpage designers,
chatters, video producers and list members.Thank you for
staying with the fandom so that newcomers like me could
enjoy your work and your caring company and feel right at
home.

Peace and happiness to all
Sunny


=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
"What time is it, what day is it, what century is it?"

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Date:    Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:29:24 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: How to shoot yourself in the foot...

Hi gang!

Here is a little fun thing I did today. I was lucky to have
a break from my crazy schoolwork and decided to write
something odd and silly. I took the 'How to shoot yourself
in the foot in different computer languages' idea and did
it for different FK factions. These are mostly war factions
and I know Iím missing a lot of others. If you think you
have something to add please go ahead, and feedback is also
very welcome. Especially right now that I've been isolated
from the fandom for so long, it seems like itís been ages
since I did anything FK related (or anything fun related
for that matter) and could use some interaction with my
friends from the fandom.

Oh, and sorry for the spelling mistakes. I'm sure they are
there somewhere.

Cheers
Sunny

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Subject : How to shoot yourself in the foot based on your
faction/affiliation

Cousin: Uncle orders you to shoot yourself in the foot for
his entertainment, and of course, you comply.

Knightie: You are buried somewhere inside a pile of hugging
bodies and someone accidentally shoots you in the foot. No
one has a klew as to who did it so they all shoot
themselves in the foot for compensation.

NatPacker: You go to the morgue and intentionally shoot
yourself in the foot for the sheer scientific challenge of
finding the cure. You tell everyone a cousin did it.

Ravenette: Youíve read in a fashion magazine that a shot
through the foot is trendy, and henceÖ

Vaquera/Vaquero: You can shoot straight, you want to shoot
straight, but someoneís long oily hair is obscuring-ly in
your face and your foot gets it.

Ratpacker: All you can remember is that you were drunk in a
sewer, there were a few other drunken sailors around you,
you were shouting, singing and dancing, and a few harmless
shots were fired.

Die-hard/independent: You have shot yourself in the foot,
but you refuse to seek help from anyone.

Merc: You are hired to shoot someone in the foot. Later you
find out that it is a certain Roman general. Too late you
find out that it was probably not the best idea to accept
this particular job. Next day, you are in a hospital with
an injured foot.

Nunkies anonymous: Itís a new ritual: Listen to CERK, sing
a silly song, kiss Nunkiesí picture, and shoot yourself in
the foot.

N&Npacker: You feel bummed. For the thousandth time Nick
and Nat have a romantic night together, but go their own
ways the next morning, just because Ďthere is no way for
him to be with her without risking to hurt herí. You scream
ĎDamn fanfiction writersí and take up the gun.

Enforcer: You accidentally break the Code and must shoot
yourself in the foot for penalty.

FoDs: Youíre in a souvlaki deli where some people are
dancing polka while others shoot at their feet. Youíre the
next in line to dance.

Perkulator: There are no bullets in your foot sweetheart,
really. Thatís just a coffee stain on your pink sneakers.

UFfer: Honey, wine, candlelight, sandlewood, body heat,
gun, shot, foot, ouchÖ

Caddywack: Youíve wrecked the car and know that the owner
will most likely kill you. So you shoot yourself in the
foot and put the blame for both damages on Mafia.

Lurker: You shoot yourself in the foot and you bleed to
death. No one notices.

                                       _Sunny_


=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie,IB,DT,UF,Cotk
"What time is it, what day is it, what century is it?"

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Date:    Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:48:12 -0400
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: How to shoot yourself in the foot...

This one made me truly laugh out loud and then think, "how sad"! LOL!

Portia

----- Original Message -----
> Lurker: You shoot yourself in the foot and you bleed to
> death. No one notices.
>
>                                        _Sunny_

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Date:    Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:49:26 -0400
From:    Don Fasig <phase3@g.......>
Subject: Re: New Birthday List!

On 16 Oct 2001,  eowyn3@j....... wrote:
> 1.Your birthday! (no need to include the year as the years won't be
> announced <G>)
> 2.The name you would like me to use (this can be your real name, made up
> name or screen name...whatever you're comfortable with)
> 3.  An e-mail address where you would like to receive your birthday
> wishes.

August 5

Don Fasig

phase3@g.......

Thanks,

        - Don

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Date:    Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:55:18 EDT
From:    Brianna Alicia Becerra <EchoTiarra@a.......>
Subject: (no subject)

On 16 Oct 2001,  eowyn3@j....... wrote:
> 1.Your birthday! (no need to include the year as the years won't be
> announced <G>)
> 2.The name you would like me to use (this can be your real name, made up
> name or screen name...whatever you're comfortable with)
> 3.  An e-mail address where you would like to receive your birthday
> wishes.

Oct 30-day before halloween
Brianna-Bree
Echo Tierra@a.......

Hope that was helpful!
Bratty Cousin who lurks

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Date:    Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:57:42 -0400
From:    Portia <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: (no subject)

> On 16 Oct 2001,  eowyn3@j....... wrote:
> > 1.Your birthday! (no need to include the year as the years won't be
> > announced <G>)
> > 2.The name you would like me to use (this can be your real name, made up
> > name or screen name...whatever you're comfortable with)
> > 3.  An e-mail address where you would like to receive your birthday
> > wishes.
>
April 26
Portia
portia1@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:09:03 EDT
From:    Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: LCA4

Greetings:

(I'm just telling you this coz no one else seems to be, not because I'm in
any especially privileged position to observe and describe all that goes on
at Lights, Camera, Auction.)

Saturday's session of LCA4 was a rollicking affair, making up for the fact
that there were fewer attendees than in past years. In the morning, prop
breakaway bottles were auctioned off, with the new owners promised the chance
to break said bottles, one over Jon Cassar, the other over Mr. Bennett.

FK scripts and crew jackets were auctioned off, as well as set visits to
shows currently shooting in TO. When some item wasn't drawing much interest,
Jon would throw in a mini paper shredder, which quickly became a desirable
item in themselves. It turns out that the National Enquirer contributed a
passel of mini paper shredders to this auction. Shoot -- if we can bid up the
price of empty Coke cans, we can spend $50 to $75 Canadian for a prop or
script that comes with a mini paper shredder, right <g>?

Speaking of the Coke cans, Barclay Hope started it off and garnered $3,300.
He was followed by Joanne Vannicola, who mistook a pair of Coke cans for the
latest Victoria's Secret pneumatic bra, and was rewarded with a $1,300
winning bid. A rookie effort by Alan Van Sprang, a cute boy who plays a
latexed villain in Earth: Final Conflict, and who was reduced to his
underwear during the bidding, raised (as it were) $1,000.

(For those who don't know the story of the Coke can challenge, it started at
Bridging the Knight when Jon Kapelos and Nigel Bennett auctioned off an empty
Coke can they had both drunk from, leading to talk of genetically engineering
their love child. Since then, all the actors who appear at LCA must auction
off a Coke can. What some of them do with and to the Coke can would not make
fundamentalists of any religion very happy <weg>.)

One of the two charities this year is Canine Companions, and the dogs and
their humans have been a nice presence. One of the dogs walked a Snoopy
stuffed toy around to show off to the bidders. That and several Charles
Schultz-related items did very well, with Barclay and Joanne joining in the
bidding.

The afternoon session ended with a directors' panel that explained the job of
a director in TV series production.

The Saturday evening party was a blast: it was nice to see Jayne dance along
with the rest of the gang. The Man in Black, Mr. Cassar, came in later and
danced first with Joanne, then with Rae. By the end of the evening, Malcolm
Xerxes, one of the attendees, was dancing on one of the tables.

And yes, I did buy a hat. It's blue. The front says "SEX." The back says "in
the City, 2001." It goes nicely with my mini paper shredder.

Julia
jkocich@a.......
AIM: jkocich
MSN: jkocich@y.......
"Pessimists are wrong but useful; optimists are right but dangerous."

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:13:06 EDT
From:    Cindy Brewer <Cindybre74@a.......>
Subject: Re: (no subject)

> On 16 Oct 2001,  eowyn3@j....... wrote:
> > 1.Your birthday! (no need to include the year as the years won't be
> > announced <G>)
> > 2.The name you would like me to use (this can be your real name, made up
> > name or screen name...whatever you're comfortable with)
> > 3.  An e-mail address where you would like to receive your birthday
> > wishes.


May 27
Cindy
cindybre74@a.......

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:03:01 +0000
From:    jennii35 <jennii35@i.......>
Subject: Re: (no subject)

> > > 1.Your birthday! (no need to include the year as the years won't be
> > > announced <G>)
> > > 2.The name you would like me to use (this can be your real name, made up
> > > name or screen name...whatever you're comfortable with)
> > > 3.  An e-mail address where you would like to receive your birthday
> > > wishes.


  Dot Simpson

   20th February


Dark Knightie and UFer
jennii35@i.......

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Date:    Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:30:33 -0700
From:    Sara Rediske <saladbats@h.......>
Subject: LCA related...

Sorry for the intrusion on this list, but I am putting out the call to some
kind soul that may either be at LCA or living in TO. My sister and I are in
town for the weekend and are curious if anyone is willing to cart us around
for a wee little sites tour. Please respond offlist or come up and say hello
at the sunday round of auctions.

-Sara, also known as Salad
saladbats@h.......

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 03:24:37 EDT
From:    KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: (no subject)

In a message dated 10/20/2001 11:55:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
EchoTiarra@a....... writes:

<< 1.Your birthday! (no need to include the year as the years won't be
 > announced <G>)
 > 2.The name you would like me to use (this can be your real name, made up
 > name or screen name...whatever you're comfortable with)
 > 3.  An e-mail address where you would like to receive your birthday
 > wishes.
  >>
June 2,
KnightWitch
KnghtWtch@a.......

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Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:31:04 +1300
From:    Tracey Rayner <trayner@p.......>
Subject: Question of the week

Hi all,
This weeks question comes courtesy of Kezia (thank you sooooo much Kezia,
with my exams coming up my brain has gone on vacation).  Drumrolls please!!!
this weeks question is..............

A British rag recently 'revealed' that Queen Elizabeth supposedly shares her
bath with a yellow rubber duck, complete with minature crown.  And you've
guessed this week's question:  What (or who) do the FK characters
share their baths/showers with?  (Keep it PG13, kiddies! <G>)
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/trayner/Question.html

ciao
Trace

_________________________
"I am what I am, and I don't think Betty Ford takes Forever Knight addicts"
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/trayner/FKsite2.html
trayner@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 06:01:17 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

Nick:  Natalie, who also gave him a pair of cow slippers & a set of
Knightie, Natpacker, and Nick&Natpacker War towels to use after they
get out of the bath/shower.
Screed:  A rubber rat.
Tracy:  Vachon.
Schanke:  Myra, of course.

Emily

--- Tracey Rayner <trayner@p.......> wrote:
 What (or who) do the FK characters share their baths/showers with?
(Keep it PG13, kiddies! <G>)


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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:27:12 -0400
From:    "Mildred G. Cady" <cmildre1@n.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

Oh man... do we have to keep it PG 13?   Can we respond with an Adult header
is we want???  lol

Cause I can't see Lacroix with a plastic toy in the bathtub....  and I don't
see him being too PG13 about it either  (or is that just a wish of mine?)

anyways... if the rest were to take a bath (as opposed to a shower)

Janette, I think she'd have rose petals, or jasmine flowers...  while
sipping on a glass of warmed blood...

Nick and Natalie would have each other, if they believed they could get away
with it (and not have a death or a new vampire as a result)

Shanke- he'd have the rubber ducky, or Myra... but not both at the same time

Tracy would have either Vachon, or take the opportunity to polish her badge

Vachon would have Tracy...

Screed-   "Wots uh baf?"

-----Original Message-----
From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
Tracey Rayner
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:31 AM
To: FORKNI-L@l.......
Subject: Question of the week


Hi all,
This weeks question comes courtesy of Kezia (thank you sooooo much Kezia,
with my exams coming up my brain has gone on vacation).  Drumrolls please!!!
this weeks question is..............

A British rag recently 'revealed' that Queen Elizabeth supposedly shares her
bath with a yellow rubber duck, complete with minature crown.  And you've
guessed this week's question:  What (or who) do the FK characters
share their baths/showers with?  (Keep it PG13, kiddies! <G>)
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/trayner/Question.html

ciao
Trace

_________________________
"I am what I am, and I don't think Betty Ford takes Forever Knight addicts"
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/trayner/FKsite2.html
trayner@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 06:42:25 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mildred G. Cady"

> Nick and Natalie would have each other, if they believed
>they could get away with it (and not have a death or a new
>vampire as a result)

I wonder.  Geraint Wyn Davies said something once about
Nick being the most clothed man on television, and I've
seen quite a few fanfic authors run with that, interpreting it
to indicate extreme physical modesty on Nick's part.
*Would* he bathe with Natalie?  I don't think it was as
customary at the time Nick was alive as it is now for
people to even be naked when they had physical relations.
Might make things extremely frustrating for Natalie if after
finally achieving their dream of Nick's mortality, she finds
him bashful about being fully unclothed in front of her.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:43:24 -0500
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Bjirthday List

Hi Y'all!

Just a quick reminder that if you want to be added to the birthday list
you need to send your birthdate (no year needed<G>), the name you want
announced, and the e-mail address you want birthday wishes to go to, to
ME (eowyn3@j.......).  PLEASE don't overtax the list hampsters!!!!  If
you hit "reply" to this message, make sure to change the addy to
eowyn3@j.......    I'm sure McLisa and Don would appreciate it.

Thanks to everyone who has responded so far!   I'm planning to start the
announcements Halloween week so get that b-day info to me if you have a
birthday in November!

Terri
eowyn3@j.......

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:19:23 EDT
From:    Marel Darby <Frostsaint2@a.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

Laudon1965@c....... writes:

>  Geraint Wyn Davies said something once about
>  Nick being the most clothed man on television, and I've
>  seen quite a few fanfic authors run with that,

Oh thanks, Laurie, for mentioning something I've always
wondered about. I remember Ger saying that he decided
that Nick would reveal very little flesh, but not the reason
for it..?

Marel

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:11:49 -0700
From:    StormBorn <stormborne@e.......>
Subject: Birfday info

Well, heck, since everyone else is doing it:

June 17th
Molly/StormBorn
stormborne@e.......

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:57:29 -0700
From:    StormBorn <stormborne@e.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

LaCroix:  A masseur/masseuse--and I'm sure he has one of those nifty
whirlpools with the built-in TV and stereo
Nick:  Floating candles to brood by
Janette: A tray full of very expensive scrubs, soaps, oils, lotions, etc.
Natalie: A paperback mystery novel
Tracy:  Bubbles.  Lots of bubbles.
Schanke:  A back brush and an inflatable pillow
Stonetree:  A waterproof CD player with CDs of R. Carlos Nakai and Kevin
Locke
Screed:  A scrubby shaped like a pink octopus (he couldn't find one shaped
like a rat)
Vachon:  An electric guitar (hey, electrocution is just a cheap high for a
vampire!)

Molly/StormBorn
Cousin/FKP/Ravenette/Seducer/DT/Forum/KEB
Abnormally fond of dead guys
stormborne@e....... - http://stormborn.tripod.com/
LEXXfic - read "Once a Slave" at www.angelfire/goth/cryopod/

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:02:20 -0700
From:    StormBorn <stormborne@e.......>
Subject: Re: How to shoot yourself in the foot...

Absolutely hilarious, Sunny!  And happy one-year anniversary--I've really
enjoyed your presence.

Molly/StormBorn
Cousin/FKP/Ravenette/Seducer/DT/Forum/KEB
Abnormally fond of dead guys
stormborne@e....... - http://stormborn.tripod.com/
LEXXfic - read "Once a Slave" at www.angelfire/goth/cryopod/

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:42:48 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Rules for Forkni-l

1228 vampires on the tower,
CNN Tower, of course,
One flies down, passes around,
1227 vampires on the tower!

Ok, you try being clever when what you really want is a Sunday afternoon
nap. :)
-- McLisa

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:53:09 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Another question

Which cartoons do you think the different FK characters
would like, and why?

I'm thinking LaCroix and Screed would both enjoy
"Pinky and the Brain", for vastly different and fairly
obvious reasons. <g>

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:12:21 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: ADMIN -- BIRTHDAY replies go offlist.q

Ahm, guys, I know it's just that reply on Forkni-l puts you on the list, but
please check and be sure to send your birthday information offlist to Terri,
eowyn3@j........

Thanks!

McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
"That will be trouble".
Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:15:02 -0400
From:    "Mildred G. Cady" <cmildre1@n.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

I know there's a number of illuminations (more Italian Renaissance era than
Nick's Rebirth), that show numbers of people sitting in large bathtubs,
being served dinner, playing cards... I'll have to go look them up...


-----Original Message-----
From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
Laudon1965
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:42 AM
To: FORKNI-L@l.......
Subject: Re: Question of the week


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mildred G. Cady"

> Nick and Natalie would have each other, if they believed
>they could get away with it (and not have a death or a new
>vampire as a result)

I wonder.  Geraint Wyn Davies said something once about
Nick being the most clothed man on television, and I've
seen quite a few fanfic authors run with that, interpreting it
to indicate extreme physical modesty on Nick's part.
*Would* he bathe with Natalie?  I don't think it was as
customary at the time Nick was alive as it is now for
people to even be naked when they had physical relations.
Might make things extremely frustrating for Natalie if after
finally achieving their dream of Nick's mortality, she finds
him bashful about being fully unclothed in front of her.

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:52:02 -0400
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Question of the week

Laurie wrote:
> *Would* Nick bathe with Natalie?  I don't think it was as
> customary at the time Nick was alive as it is now for
> people to even be naked when they had physical relations.

Actually, at the time Nick was alive and for centuries after, people slept
in the nude, often in communal sleeping spaces. The nightshirt and
nightgown, much less pajamas, are a very recent invention from Nick's point
of view.

Women washed their menfolk and tended to them while they were sick, and
taught girls how to do this. There are, in fact, records of important men
being chastised by their confessors because they had a bunch of maidservants
wash them instead of their wives!

Bathing might be a pleasant solitary soak in a hot tub, but it could also be
a social occasion at which a hat might be de rigueur but covering the rest
of you was not. Think of it as being not unlike the custom in Japan and in
many places in Europe, where it is not unseemly to bathe (soak in hot water
*after* having been thoroughly cleansed) or to swim in the nude, although
doing your grocery shopping undressed would be horrible. As with so many
questions of "modesty," for Nick it would be a matter of time and place.

Even through the Victorian era and into the last century, it was quite
customary for men to go swimming in the nude. There is a wonderful picture
from the 1910s in my hometown's historical society showing a crowd of dozens
of men and boys at the abandoned quarry that was the equivalent of
Princeton's swimming pool at the time. Not a stitch of clothing on any of
them, although many of the men are wearing very chic bowlers.

Some other explanations of Nick being so covered up could be that as a
vampire, he feels vulnerable when his skin is exposed, even at night, or
that he has become accustomed to staying covered up in order to be less
visible in the shadows of night....

I would not be surprised to learn that the real reason is that was easier
for the production, to keep Ger--who says he has been described as one of
"the pinkest" actors out there--covered up, rather than deal with the body
makeup necessary to give him a vampire's pallor all over.

Mary

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Date:    Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:35:35 -0500
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Fw: Question of the week

Sent this just to Mary at first. Um, duh. Eve.


Mary wrote (among other helpful things):

>Some other explanations of Nick being so covered up could be that as a
>vampire, he feels vulnerable when his skin is exposed, even at night, or
>that he has become accustomed to staying covered up in order to be less
>visible in the shadows of night....

Good points all, Mary--I'd like to add just one more. I've had constructive
critiques from a couple of beta readers, over various treatments of Nick's
character that ran contrary to the clothing=modesty theory. In my responses,
I came up with some of the points you made, plus this one: Nick seems to get
attacked and shot up quite frequently. Perhaps his being overly clothed has
something to do with hiding the fact that he heals so quickly.

Eve.

Eve Dutton
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"Some are born to sweep the light
Some are born to endless night"

--William Blake

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