FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 7 Jun 2001 to 8 Jun 2001 - Special issue (#2001-180)
Fri, 8 Jun 2001
There are 29 messages totalling 1001 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. FK Tapes and the Hollywood 10 (4)
2. WAR: small question...
3. virus alert!
4. WAR: Picking a faction (6)
5. Vampire Olympics (2)
6. This Old Knight (4)
7. WAR: my two cents (2)
8. TO posts (2)
9. WAR: Re WAR- Picking a faction
10. war reporters & why I'm strangely attracted to UF
11. Admin: One more thing re sigs
12. WAR: Purpose of War XI
13. WAR: Dates? Mercs?
14. WAR: Brief History
15. WAR: Dates
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:35:45 -0400
From: Valerie Kessler <valerie@w.......>
Subject: Re: FK Tapes and the Hollywood 10
Quoth Susan Mutton:
> Can someone explain why Sony missed this wonderful opportunity.
Explain it, yes. Make sense out of it, no. *shrug* A big part of it
is that there's a frightening turnover rate at Sony. Their
interdepartmental communication also seems to be next to worthless.
I've lost count of the number of anecdotes I've heard about people
approaching them for licensing deals (including the attempt to renew the
tie-in novel license), and running into people in the marketing
department who had no idea what FK *was* or that Sony owned it, let
alone that (at the time the offers were being made) it was actually
*airing* on Sci-Fi. People were having to start from scratch literally
every time they contacted Sony, because whoever they'd talked to last
time didn't work there any more. I don't know if that's settled down
any in the last 3 or 4 years, but I wouldn't bet on it.
The other thing it comes down to is that even though licensing revenue
(such as they would get from books or other merchandise) is pure profit
to them with no investment other than signing the paperwork, they--like
pretty much every other big corporation in the industry--don't consider
a small-potatoes property like FK to be worth signing the paperwork.
And if they can't be bothered to do it for a relatively simple deal like
the book contract, I'm sure they *really* don't think it's worth their
legal department's time and effort to, say, draw up a deal with an
independent home video company the way Fox did with Kindred. Sony has
made it clear time and again that if you're not talking about
blockbuster numbers, they're just not interested.
And no, it doesn't make a lick of sense, completely aside from the tired
old "you don't understand, this is a business" nonsense that tends to
get hauled out when we make noise. But it's the way they've chosen to
do business, and unless someone with a brain somehow sneaks into their
management structure, we're stuck with it. :-P
--
~:O Valerie Meachum Kessler
valerie@w....... ~ www.wiliqueen.com
"We sleep around here! We like it! It makes
us pretty! And keeps us from killing our
crazy friends!" -- Lorelei Gilmore
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:22:19 -0700
From: Cousin Tserisa <headpigeons@h.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: small question...
>From: Lisa Luksus <tokaara@m.......>
>The GSS has always played as part of the Cousins, since all their goodies
>are in the dungeons below CERK (yes, we have dungeons!).
And a padded cell, as well. ;)
>But we could have tons of fun with all the toys they
>left behind, couldn't we? <hehehe>
*shining eyes* Mwa ha.
>Also in the last couple of Wars, what's left of the Dark Knighties have
>played with the Cousins and are welcome to do so again. Any of you guys
>still out there?
The Light Cousins, which have played as a seperate Faction in the past, will
be Warring with the Cousins as well.
The more the merrier! And the crazier. ;)
--
Cousin Tserisa & the Cousinly Critters
- headpigeons@h....... -
Cousin, Ratpacker 8:>X and CaddyWhack
FK Stuff: http://geocities.com/tserisa/
CaddyWhacks: http://velvetdragon.com/caddy/
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:00:22 -0500
From: Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: virus alert!
>I also got this and my Norton Anti-viris kicked in right away.
Mine did not. I've fixed it but you guys might get this from me too.
Eve.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:03:16 EDT
From: Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Picking a faction
Ravenette writes:
> I thought we could only join one, but have friends in
> others, but I'm not sure. If we were in two --
> wouldn't it cause conflicts if/when the factions were
> "fighting"?
The factions don't actually "fight" each other. They interact in
all sorts of ways, and one of the best ways to do so is to have
a friend in another faction, so you can plot out a situation where
you both interact. An FK War "attack" is a friendly attack: "Hey,
Libs! Is Screed free to come into the UF Hive and run amuck
around the library?" "Say, Julia! Are you available to be kidnapped
by the Knighties for some reprogramming?" That kind of thing <g>.
So the more of your friends who chose to fight with other factions,
the better positioned you'll be to co-write posts that involve both
factions.
Also, never forget the Premise of any given War. In some past Wars,
we've been inundated by too many, IMO, "getting to TO" posts,
and multi-part stories that are very clever, but don't have much to
do with the Premise of the given War. I think if we all focus on the
Premise, and interacting with the actual characters, this could be
a fantastic War 11!
Best,
Julia
UF list cobra
jkocich@a.......
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:00:58 -0000
From: Susan Mutton <susan_mutton@h.......>
Subject: Re: FK Tapes and the Hollywood 10
Yes I see what you mean but my next question is "explain how they stay in
business". These people aren't in real life are they but they must have
found a magic something somewhere. Sue.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:02:07 -0300
From: "T. Floyd" <jflyer@b.......>
Subject: Re: FK Tapes and the Hollywood 10
----- Original Message -----
From: "Valerie Kessler" <valerie@w.......>
: Quoth Susan Mutton:
: > Can someone explain why Sony missed this wonderful opportunity.
: ...But it's the way they've chosen to
: do business, and unless someone with a brain somehow sneaks into their
: management structure, we're stuck with it. :-P
Remember this is the company that somehow made up a fictional critic even
though real critics had liked their product! They really do need a common
sense infusion.
--
Laplor@p....... http://Laplor.tripod.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~RUN RIOT!~~~~~
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:46:00 EDT
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Vampire Olympics
Here's a thought, spurred by a discussion in another fandom:
Professional Vampire Sporting Leagues:
LaCroix grooms Nick to become the vampire middle weight
boxing champion, his moniker: Kid Angst. Nick in satin
boxing trunks!
Laurie of the Isles
"Better living through prurient speculation" <g>
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 07:18:11 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire Olympics
Another idea:
Sumo wrestling!
I once jokingly wrote a fic about this, where Nick and Schanke got
into rubber suits and sumo wrestled for charity. This was actually
done at the company I was working for at the time.
Emily
--- Laudon1965@a....... wrote:
> Here's a thought, spurred by a discussion in another fandom:
>
> Professional Vampire Sporting Leagues:
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:24:41 -0400
From: Emma <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Picking a faction
Julia wrote:
>Also, never forget the Premise of any given War. In some past Wars,
>we've been inundated by too many, IMO, "getting to TO" posts,
>and multi-part stories that are very clever, but don't have much to
>do with the Premise of the given War. I think if we all focus on the
>Premise, and interacting with the actual characters, this could be
>a fantastic War 11!
While I agree that their are to many "getting to TO" posts, I think
trying to force people to focus on the "premise" of the war is a
mistake. While some of them are pretty much all encompasing, like
wars 8 & 10, some, like war 9's Nat's notes have been stolen, aren't
going to logically draw in all factions. (I still don't know if
anyone found them.) People particapate in wars to have a good time,
not to follow someone else's storyline.
--
elighton@b.......
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head mouse clicker
Survivor of Wars 9+10
"Christianity is brought to you in part by Chevrolet"-A&E
https://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:49:41 EDT
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: This Old Knight
A topic in another fandom led me to the nightmare image a la
the movie Stay Tuned: Nick and LaCroix through the looking
glass and parading about in plaid flannel and tool belts as
hosts of a home improvement show. :: shudder :: Well, if
anybody would know about old houses, they would. <g>
The question is, which one's Steve and which one's Norm? <g>
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:55:58 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: This Old Knight
> Nick and LaCroix parading about in plaid flannel and tool belts as
> hosts of a home improvement show.
> The question is, which one's Steve and which one's Norm? <g>
I don't recognize the show, but LaCroix is clearly the competent
professional beset with a "partner" who thinks his personality compensates
for his lack of understanding and skill with regards to the tasks at
hand. :-)
And I thought I had some bizarre dreams.
Tim
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:11:28 EDT
From: Gwyneth Meirionfa <FKWarmistress@a.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Picking a faction
A good WM will devise a plot that will involve all the factions. Yes, people
participate in wars to have a good time, but the whole concept of having a
fan fiction war is to create an ongoing storyline dealing with a particular
premise. With creativity, any story idea can be tied to the premise.
Stories for war XI should relate as much as possible to the premise. Posts
that focus solely on activities within a faction or on divergent storylines
with little connection to the premise are discouraged for this war; such
stories can be done on FORKNI-L anytime, when war is not happening.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:59:10 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Picking a faction
At 11:11 AM 6/8/01 -0400, Gwyneth Meirionfa wrote:
>A good WM will devise a plot that will involve all the factions. Yes, people
>participate in wars to have a good time, but the whole concept of having a
>fan fiction war is to create an ongoing storyline dealing with a particular
>premise. With creativity, any story idea can be tied to the premise.
I hate to add a discouraging word, but as I understood it, the concept of
an FK fan fiction war was to give people an opportunity to interact with
and get to know each other better, rather than to be overly concerned with
writing a piece of fiction that sticks to a particular premise. I thought
a fan fiction war was something where the characters, who are the players
themselves, are more important than the premise.
>Stories for war XI should relate as much as possible to the premise. Posts
>that focus solely on activities within a faction or on divergent storylines
>with little connection to the premise are discouraged for this war; such
>stories can be done on FORKNI-L anytime, when war is not happening.
Did you mean on FKFIC? We can't do stories on FORKNI-L at all. In fact,
though, it seems to me that a war _is_ the time for stories that involve
activities within and between factions. It's stories that stick to a
particular premise that can be done on FKFIC anytime.
I can see a good premise being a good jumping off point for a War. But I
can see insisting on relating everything closely to a premise turn this
more into simply a collaborative story-writing project, rather than a game
where everyone gets to know each other and has fun.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:08:59 -0000
From: StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: WAR: my two cents
Well, I feel the primary purpose of a War is to have a good time among and
between the factions. Sometimes the premise is a good one, sometimes it's
more difficult to work with.
As far as the 'getting to Toronto' posts, I think they're a great way to get
an overview on everybody's character...just as in a fiction story or novel,
the character needs to be 'set up' somehow.
JMHO and YMMV
Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Seducer, Dark Trinity, FKPagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q....... or stormborn@l.......
http://stormborn.tripod.com/
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:20:22 -0700
From: Wolfy <wolfyknight@y.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Picking a faction
> I can see a good premise being a good jumping off point for a War. But I
> can see insisting on relating everything closely to a premise turn this
If This does turn into where it all has to just relate to the premise...
I'm not going to end up playing at all. Other than my
temp DP leading duty's, I'll end up just sitting there.
~Wolfy, The liker of those within the faction posts
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:21:30 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: TO posts
What is a TO post? I'm a war newbie.
=====
Emily Hanson
Main website - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com
ICQ# 73113057
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:23:50 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: This Old Knight
Wouldn't it be Knight Improvement? Or possibly Loft Improvement?
Heh heh. LaCroix as Al, since Nick's the one that has a sense of
humor.
--- Laudon1965@a....... wrote:
...Nick and LaCroix through the looking glass and parading about in
plaid flannel and tool belts as hosts of a home improvement show...
=====
Emily Hanson
Main website - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com
ICQ# 73113057
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:31:24 -0700
From: Wolfy <wolfyknight@y.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: my two cents
Molly/StormBorn,
I agree whole heartly with you. What is a war without
those posts? It isn't what I view as a war.
War is about figuring out who the diff fractions are,
and who are in them. Finding out more about quarks
within the diff fractions..
Ex: The Coffee thing with the DP's
if it wasn't for some of those within the fraction
posts, one wouldn't quite grasp how addited some of us
are to it.
Yes you can do posts like that anytime on the fic
list, but the thing is, what about those who are
too... Well they just don't believe anything they
write would be good enough. The War gives everyone a
chance to get there posts in, but not feel all worried
about it because everyone is posting too.
~Wolfy's 1 cent
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:32:32 -0700
From: Wolfy <wolfyknight@y.......>
Subject: Re: TO posts
--- Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......> wrote:
> What is a TO post? I'm a war newbie.
For all the ones that know not this:
a to post is a beganing post that explanes how you got
to Toronto.
=====
~Wolfy Knight
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:26:36 -0500
From: eowyn3@j.......
Subject: WAR: Re WAR- Picking a faction
Hi Y'all!
I usually lurk here but there are some things that are dear to my heart
and I just can't keep quiet about this.
The FK Warmistress wrote:
>the whole concept of having a fan fiction war is to create an ongoing
>storyline dealing with .a particular premise.
Way back when I joined this list 3 weeks before War 8, I asked what a war
was. This was NOT the explanation I was given at that time. I was told
it was a way for listmembers to get to know each other by writing stories
that involved themselves and the FK characters in prank playing, parties
and general good times and fun. One of the sentiments that came out of
the last couple of wars was the need to get back to that kind of war. By
adhering to a plotline set out by a WM I would essentially be writing
that person's story for her/him.
>Posts that focus solely on activities within a faction or on divergent
>storylines with little connection to the premise are discouraged for this war.
There have been MANY wonderful stories posted during past wars that were
completely faction related and didn't have a thing to do with the
premise. One very memorable faction story that comes to mind is the
abduction of the Grand High Poobah and the subsequent trial of the
perpetrators in which Libs managed to pull off having her favorite droog
put in a guest appearance. That storyline had absolutely nothing to do
with the war premise and was completely faction related but it was JOLLY
good reading just the same. There are some very talented writers who make
those stories entertaining enough for everyone to read and there are some
faction stories that bore me to tears but I have the choice to read what
I want to. I don't want to see war writers and players have to forego
writing those kinds of stories to satisfy staying with the plotline!
>With creativity, any story idea can be tied to the premise.
Yes, it does take some creativity and imagination to write faction
stories that further the premise but many of the people playing in the
war don't write on a regular basis and are just getting their feet wet so
to speak. IMHO, this kind of limitation on the content of the war
stories will scare would-be writers into silence. Even if I had the time
to write for this war I'm not a regular writer and I would certainly
think twice about writing a story for this war since I have to keep to
the premise. I've written party stories for my faction in past wars and
we've had a great time at those parties. That's what I write (and even I
know it is most definitely not great literature!) and if I wanted to be
creative about furthering a plot, I'd take a creative writing course in
college! It's not something I want to get out of an FK war.
I am playing in the war, for right now, as a Knightie Co-Leader but since
I'm taking graduate courses at the university this summer I won't have
the time to write for the war. I'm playing because the Knighties need
warm bodies and the temperatures being what they are in Texas at this
time of year I do fit the category.
I'd like to remind everyone this is solely MY OPINION and if you like the
idea of writing stories to further a premise as the concept of an FK war,
I hope you enjoy this one. I'll be looking forward to see what this kind
of war concept produces but as I said it's not my kind of war.
Terri
eowyn3@j......., eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, G-IV Attendee, Knighties Listowner, TKD,
FK X-Stitcher, Proud Survivor of Fk-fic Wars 8-10
She can be taught! But only in little bytes!
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:34:57 EDT
From: WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: war reporters & why I'm strangely attracted to UF
Y'all,
When I played with the Raven faction a few years ago, we set up Watchers.
One person made it his business to read every single post from one opposing
faction and then write frequent digests of important events in their
storyline. For instance, I covered the UF (in honey heh heh). I read their
every post and gave an amusing synopsis their postings and posted them to our
loop.
This accomplished alot for us. We were a very small group - about 10 people.
In this way we made sure we didn't miss any pranks against us - even the
verbal ones. We were about to muster our retaliation quickly.
Everyone is, and was, able to read postings verbatim, but this way no one got
so far behind or discouraged that they gave up mid-war. We weren't
overwhelmed .
As a former Watcher/ War correspondent myself, I recommend this highly -
especially if you think you can write a synopsis well enuff to do justice to
the original posts. Going through and following *all* of one faction's
posts, in a strange way, makes you a player in two factions instead of just
one. I've felt strangely attracted to UF ever since even tho I am a hard
core Caddywhack. I really think that hardcore members of one faction would
really enjoy reporting on their worst *enemy*. (Natpackers eyeballing the UF
for instance. Okay, well the NP should keep an eyeball on everybody I guess.)
Particularly, if you feel you don't have the *energy* to be a full
writing / loop haunting participant, this is a great gig. You really will
end up reading a tremendous numbers of posts, not just the faction you're
watching. You'll get *sucked* in just as usual and be thoroughly entertained.
If you are a newbie, go read Mr. Happy's FAQ now! Welcome all newbies!
Watch out for the camels! And the flying headless bunnies! And kidnappings!
And don't let the FOD's cater your party! Hang on to your purse! Don't let
the RP near your hair!
Hide all the spray paint!
Casting T. F. Stone / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:39:48 EDT
From: WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: FK Tapes and the Hollywood 10
In a message dated 6/7/01 5:33:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
valerie@w....... writes:
<< pretty much every other big corporation in the industry--don't consider
a small-potatoes property like FK to be worth signing the paperwork. >>
Of course this behavior makes sense - not fgood sense- but in the ways of the
world, it does make sense. They have to refuse to sign off on *small*
projects like FK. If they signed off on everything, then their job is just
signing paperwork and then they wouldn't be important people at work.
Someone should approach one of these minor beaurocrats and say, "You can be
the one who realizes the potential here when no one else would! " Suck up to
their ego.
Casting T. F. Stone / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:19:53 -0700
From: Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Admin: One more thing re sigs
I forgot to add that the rules about sig length don't count the
advertisements that services like Yahoo stick on the end of each
message. That's beyond the poster's control, so it wouldn't be
fair to count it.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:19:58 EDT
From: Gwyneth Meirionfa <FKWarmistress@a.......>
Subject: WAR: Purpose of War XI
Greetings from the Warmistress,
Let's not panic quite yet ...
There are many purposes to a war:
to have fun
to get to know other list members
to plan/write collaborative stories with other list members
to create a storyline following through on a premise as laid out by the WM.
These are all war objectives, and they are all compatible ... if the premise
can handle it, which unfortunately, in several of the last few wars, it could
not. For example, the GHP kidnapping/Libby trial story developed not because
of a decision to ignore the plot, rather the feeling that there was nowhere
to go with the plot as it was.
The premise for war XI as designed is very broad (and potentially very fun
and humorous) and leaves a lot of discretion to individual factions and to
individuals. At the same time it specifically creates numerous opportunities
to write with members of other factions. There's plenty of room for all
sorts of posts and stories, and there should be little difficulty in tying
most storylines to the overall plot.
The WM does not plan on exercising control or veto power on faction or
individual storylines. There will be loads of chances for individual plot
threads, limited only by one's creativity and imagination. These may tie to
the overall plot only tenuously at times, but hopefully will still manage to
inch the storyline forward. (For example, why are you coming to TO? To answer
a faction call to arms. Why is there a faction call to arms? Because there's
a war on. That's plot related. ) It is the WM's responsibility to ensure, by
little nudges, consultation, and posting of her own stories, that at some
point these divergent threads move together towards a premise resolution.
War IS a game. And most games have an objective, a problem/situation to be
solved/overcome, rules, and a beginning, middle and an end. As will War XI.
And hopefully, we'll all be winners. Sleepless winners, slightly less sane
winners, but winners nonetheless.
So keep the discussion up, folks, but please, let's try to hold the
definitive statements on playing or not playing until more details are
revealed ...
Gwyneth Meirionfa
FK War XI Warmistress
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:28:11 -0700
From: Della Morse <multiplepov@y.......>
Subject: Re: WAR: Picking a faction
--- Emma <elighton@b.......> wrote:
> While I agree that their are to many "getting to TO" posts, I think
> trying to force people to focus on the "premise" of the war is a
> mistake. While some of them are pretty much all encompasing, like
> wars 8 & 10,
What was the premise of War 10? Is the war up
anywhere? I've found the previous wars. I'm really
sorry I missed War 8--where everyone *truly* got to
interact with the character they most liked.
> some, like war 9's Nat's notes have
> been stolen, aren't going to logically draw in all
> factions. (I still don't know if anyone found them.)
In skimming that war (if such a thing is possible!) I
didn't come across anyone working with Nat's notes at
all. Wouldn't a faction have had to *have* those
notes and be required to let out hints about them,
then allow other factions to "steal the notes" in
posts down the line?
I did read some funny posts relating to discussing the
vampire cure contained in those notes on the Light
Cousin page (yes, Arletta, I was mistaking the
copyright date for the update date)--with McLisa
bombed out of her mind on Zombie Beachcombers, then
another set of posts with Perry the vampire dog and
Lurkers and a Merc. Would the premise be general
enough to allow those kinds of tangents? Or was any
post not dealing directly with Nat's notes considered
off-topic?
> People participate in wars to have a good time,
> not to follow someone else's storyline.
I also read some enjoyable Light Cousin posts on their
search for a HQ. I would think that since having the
factions in Toronto *is* part of the story line, how
they spend their time waiting to have scenes
participating in the story line is also part of the
story line.
Della
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:29:32 EDT
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: This Old Knight
In a message dated 6/8/01 9:24:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
emilymhanson@y....... writes:
<< Wouldn't it be Knight Improvement? Or possibly Loft Improvement?
Heh heh. LaCroix as Al, since Nick's the one that has a sense of
humor. >>
Nope, check the subject header, I'm not talking about the sitcom,
I'm talking about the real thing, that has *two* competent hosts.
<A HREF="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/thisoldhouse/home.html">This Old House
Online Home Page</A>
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:42:06 -0700
From: Della Morse <multiplepov@y.......>
Subject: WAR: Dates? Mercs?
Dear Gwyneth,
Have the war dates been set?
Dear Mercs,
I've been thinking of asking the Mercs if I can join.
(Even though that seems to be a contradiction.
Shouldn't Mercs all be independent?) I even triggered
a booby-trap on their page but have yet to receive an
e-mail. Are you guys around?
Della
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:46:03 EDT
From: Gwyneth Meirionfa <FKWarmistress@a.......>
Subject: WAR: Brief History
Warmistress note: The following has been extrapolated from previous posts by
Susan Garrett, Sharon Scott, Dianne la Mercenaire, Libby Singleton
When the Forkni-L list was first beginning, it was very obvious that
people had favorite characters, but nobody really did anything about it.
The followers of LaCroix were always a crafty and devious lot and tended
to play pranks on other list members. A particular Nick fan, Sharon Scott of
Texas, once foolishly admitted to the list that she had a phobia about frogs.
Of course, two LaCroix fans, Karin Weiss and Margaret Newman, jumped on that
immediately and sent Sharon gifts of chocolate frogs in the mail. Sharon
replied that the two (Laurie and Karin) were so cruel that they must be
cousins. Typical followers of LaCroix, Laurie and Karin came up with the idea
that they were long-lost cousins in search of their Uncle LaCroix.
And so the Cousins were born. They started referring to LaCroix as
'Uncle,' which most people on the list now do out of habit. Since the Cousins
had a name, the other groups quickly formed ranks:
Ravens/Ravenettes --followers of Janette and the Raven.
Nat-Pack--followers of Natalie FoDs (Friends of Don)--the Schanke fans.
Knighties--followers of Nick. Die-Hards--the people who would not be forced
to choose. Through the years, several other factions came (and sadly, some
went), including the Dark Knighties, who are interested in Nick's dark side,
Nunkies Anonymous, who worship LaCroix, the Mercenaries.
WAR I (Jan 94): A Call to Arms. (http://www.fkfanfic.com/fanfic/wars.htm)
Sharon Scott (Scottie) wrote a short fiction post about having received a
green Christmas card from a Cousin and fearing it was a frog, having called
Nick to protect her and have the bomb squad open it. That gave
then-Assistant-List-owner Cousin Laurie an opening. The Cousins declared war
on the other groups in the form of a round robin story. Various members of
groups attacked members of other groups through fiction. Eventually, a truce
was called by a consortium comprised of members from all the other groups,
known as the Wicked Warren.
WAR II (July 94): Application Forthcoming.
(http://www.fkfanfic.com/fanfic/wars.htm) A second war occurred in July 1994
because Cousin Laurie decided she didn't want to be a Cousin anymore and
defected to the Ravenettes. This started a mass series of defections and ran
with a subplot about Nick withholding LaCroix's fan mail so he couldn't
corrupt any more followers, which finally ended with temporarily foiling
LaCroix's attempt to produce an alternate second season.
WAR III (Oct 94): All Things Fun. (http://www.fkfanfic.com/fanfic/wars.htm)
Began with Cousin Laurie trying to prove to LaCroix that she was a true and
faithful cousin by torturing Natpacker Sharon and Ravenette Susan during a
real-time trip to Great Adventure amusement park. Things escalated when
Cousin Karin arranged to have Dorian (the archivist of the vampires and a
character created by Susan Garrett --he takes down all the histories of the
vampires and finks to the Enforcers when someone's broken the Code),
interview Susan G. because her fiction was too close to the truth. Nick got
it into his fool head to kidnap Susan G. to save her and then all hell broke
loose. The war ended with a vampire summit at three horror pubs in New York
and a warning to watch out for a group called the 'Nightstalkers,' who want
to end vampire interaction in human affairs.
WAR IV (Feb 95): Coup D'Etat. (http://www.fkfanfic.com/fanfic/wars.htm)
Scheduled by Jennise and Karin, where LaCroix bought out the third season
rights to FK and filmed an episode (which was effectively written by the
warring factions and 'edited' by Karin and Jennise). List-members were
invited to the 'screening.'
WAR V (Oct 95): Chess. (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~weyrbrat/war5/)
Natpacker run
WAR VI: (Feb 96) And This Time, It's Personal. (no known archives)
Unofficial war started with the impending cancellation of FK, where in the
fans, using the planning and tactical capabilities they had honed during the
previous five virtual FK wars, fought for the continuation of the Forever
Knight series, eventually winning the production and airing of the remainder
of the third season.
WAR VII: (July 96) Dead Man's Party. (excerpts available at
http://www.screedwashere.com/ratpack/ratwar7.txt ,
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~weyrbrat/fanfic/war7/ ) FK fandom gather in
Toronto to put to rights what went so terribly wrong in the final episodes of
the FK series!
WAR VIII: (June 97) Forever Friday Knight
(http://www.fkfanfic.com/war/war8/list.htm) A rip in the time space continuum
transports many alternate universe versions of FK characters to Toronto, much
to the delight, distress, and confusion of the FK fans.
WAR IX: (Apr 98) (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7139/war9ldrs.htm) Someone
steals Natalie's research and the race is on to recover the information
WAR X: (Aug 99)
(http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Lot/9686/index_posts.html) When all
the vampires in Toronto regain their mortality, wackiness ensues
Gwyneth Meirionfa
FK War XI WM
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:51:32 EDT
From: Gwyneth Meirionfa <FKWarmistress@a.......>
Subject: WAR: Dates
Greetings,
Here is the War XI Schedule:
June 16 Deadline for Faction Declaration to WM
June 21 Permission Slips Due to Faction Leaders
June 24 Permission Slips/Players posted on web page
June 28 Premise posted to FORKNI-L and FKFIC
July 5 War Starts (exact time TBA)
July 19 War Ends
Gwyneth Meirionfa
FK War XI WM
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