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FORKNI-L Digest - 17 May 2001 to 18 May 2001 (#2001-160)

Fri, 18 May 2001

There are 24 messages totalling 651 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. The Art of Bringing Across (7)
  2. Quick Question (3)
  3. Merlin and Aristotle
  4. How many "children" does Nick have?
  5. Virus from Listmember detected! (5)
  6. comments, critiques, and disclaimers
  7. Lacroix's virus was  Re: Virus from Listmember detected!
  8. Categories
  9. Virus situation under control
 10. Amdin: more about the virus problem
 11. Need Techie Nerd for Fictional computer info!
 12. GWDFC Internet Charity Auction reminder

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 17:27:08 EDT
From:    Meliss9900@a.......
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across

In a message dated 5/17/01 3:46:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
countessa2000@y....... writes:

<<  In 'Dead of Night'
 flashback LaCroix tells Nick 'it's a subtle art after all', and lets us
 believe that bringing people across needs a lot of experience and being
 careful in the process. >>

I think that LaCroix was just playing another of his mind games on  Nick.  At
 least that's how I rationalize it.

Melissa

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 14:58:54 -0700
From:    Steve Hood 
Subject: Quick Question

Quick Question: What was Tracy Vetter's father's name
and his job description? (talk about butchering the
English language)

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 21:28:44 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio 
Subject: Re: Merlin and Aristotle

Gwenn Musicante wrote:

>      Actually, wasn't it Felix who gave Nick advice in "Blood Money?"
>
I think that's correct.  And wasn't Larry Merlin the person who fixed Nick's
computer record so he showed up in the Toronto police computer files?  With
a Birthday of January 1?

Barb

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 21:39:30 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio 
Subject: Re: Quick Question

Steve Hood wrote:


> Quick Question: What was Tracy Vetter's father's name
> and his job description? (talk about butchering the
> English language)
>
 I don't remember Commissioner Vetter's first name, but I believe he was
Police Commissioner.

Barb

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 21:44:48 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio 
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across

Gwenn Musicante wrote:

> accounts for the differences in Nick and Divia's skill level, it obviously
> isn't age or experience?
>
I've always assumed that it's related to how much the vampire's sire (or
dam, I suppose) shared with them.  I can see LaCroix keeping a lot of
information from Nick to keep him under control.  I also wonder if it has to
do with how comfortable the vampire feels about him or herself.  Nick, even
when he married Alyssa, seemed to be struggling with his vampire nature.
Perhaps that prevents him from paying attention to the "mechanics" of
bringing someone across.

Barb

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 21:54:15 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio 
Subject: Re: How many "children" does Nick have?

wirickml wrote:

> Surely in 800 years he made more than we saw.
> Either on purpose or by accident, he must have
> made others of his kind. Successful ones too.
>
He may well have brought across more people than we saw, but I don't think
he brought across that many.  I think he would be very careful not to share
his "curse" with people.  I don't think that LaCroix brought that many
people over either.  If there were thousands and thousands of vampires made,
I think that would make it much harder to keep their existence a secret -
and secrecy seems to be essential to their survival, from both mortals and
enforcers.

Barb

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 19:07:06 -0700
From:    StormBorn 
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across

Barb V. wrote:
>>  I also wonder if it has to do with how comfortable the vampire
feels about him or herself.  Nick, even when he married Alyssa, seemed to be
struggling with his vampire nature. Perhaps that prevents him from paying
attention to the "mechanics" of bringing someone across.<<

I think 'control' is the key issue here.  Nick has an impulsive nature and I
think his love for Alyssa made him lose control and drain her 'too much.'
His successful attempts, as in the leper girl, seem to be less motivated by
passion.

This is one of those cases where I really wish FK had had a 'bible'--we are
shown that LaCroix needed to complete the process of bringing Alexandra
across by feeding her his blood, just as he did with Nick, yet the Jack the
Ripper case (as I-forget-who pointed out) was entirely accidental.  I don't
think there's enough cheese in the world to cover this.

Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q....... or stormborn@l.......
http://stormborn.tripod.com/

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 20:01:39 -0700
From:    Kyer 
Subject: Virus from Listmember detected!

I opened an attachment from a listmember a bit ago and my NAV (god bless
it--money well spent) detected a virus.  I'm therefore urging anyone who has
opened an atttachment lately to run your system's antivirus software. Catch
anything quick, and I hope you're all okay out there.

Concerened about the minds of the perverted people who make these bugs,

Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 20:10:31 -0700
From:    Emily Hanson 
Subject: Re: Virus from Listmember detected!

They say Please take a look at this attachment and appear to be from
someone on the list, sending you a private message in response to a
previous message.  The attachments have 2 extensions, looks like the
first is random and the second is .scr (whatever that is, some sort
of scripting language probably).

Emily


--- Kyer  wrote:
> I opened an attachment from a listmember a bit ago and my NAV (god bless
> it--money well spent) detected a virus.  I'm therefore urging anyone who has
> opened an atttachment lately to run your system's antivirus software. Catch
> anything quick, and I hope you're all okay out there.
>
> Concerened about the minds of the perverted people who make these bugs,
>
> Kyer, kyer@p.......


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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 20:10:05 -0700
From:    Kyer 
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across

Stormborn yet the Jack the
> Ripper case (as I-forget-who pointed out) was entirely accidental.  I don't
> think there's enough cheese in the world to cover this.

How about a lunar satellite's worth added to the larder of dairy do?

Maybe Jackie Boy was actually a Hunter and LaCroix's bite triggered a full
grown case of overbiteitis?

(Kyer the Vegan takes her own bit of Chili Jack Non-Dairy Almond, leaving
the pure-dairy selections for the next person.)

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 22:06:01 -0500
From:    eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across

Hi Y'all!

Molly wrote:
>LaCroix needed to complete the process of bringing Alexandra
>across by feeding her his blood, just as he did with Nick, yet the Jack the
>Ripper case (as I-forget-who pointed out) was entirely accidental.  I don't
>think there's enough cheese in the world to cover this.

Every once in a while I get the urge to contribute to the discussion.
I'll try some cheese-making here.  Perhaps the vampire doing the bringing
across, "feeds" only those he wants as his children.  The bond between
master and child is established when the child feeds from the master.  LC
didn't want Jack the Ripper as his child so he didn't feed him but not
feeding him doesn't prevent Jack from becoming a vampire.  You can see
(possibly) why he would want Alexandra and we already know how much he
wanted Nick.  There are other vamps that LC has made that don't seem to
have much of a bond with him.  Tran in Can't Run, Can't Hide comes to
mind.  Francesca would be another one that LC probably didn't feed (do we
see LC bring her across?  I don't remember...that's not one of my
favorite eps).  So perhaps he didn't feed them either.

Cheesy enough for ya? 

Terri
eowyn3@j.......

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 13:00:12 +0000
From:    jennii35 
Subject: Re: Quick Question

       Quick Question: What was Tracy Vetter's father's name
       and his job description? (talk about butchering the
       English language)

       Wasn't it Richard Vetter??

        Dot
Dark Knightie and UFer
jennii35@i.......

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 20:51:11 -0700
From:    Susan Clark 
Subject: comments, critiques, and disclaimers

Since we've gotten around to this subject, what the heck, I'll weigh in. This
is all solely for myself, I'm not speaking for anyone else on this one.

I welcome any comments and critiques. I've gotten a lot of really nice
positive feedback, and I appreciate that. I've been told when I've done
things wrong, from a story or grammar sense. I appreciate that also. I've had
people tell me they didn't like the story, but I wrote it well. Had to like
that one.

I do agree that it helps to have a thick skin. But, people are writing for
different reasons, and I fully appreciate that. Not everyone is writing for
the same type of feedback, and that's fine.

For myself, I want to be a better writer. I say all comments are welcome
(when I remember to type that part in), and I do mean it.

Heck, I've been known to write stuff that I know readers won't necessarily
like, to see what I can provoke. I admit it. I'm like that. I like to see
what twists I can toss in, and how folks will or won't...people don't
necessarily send "bad" comments, they send no comments...respond.

When it comes to disclaimers, though, I don't like 'em. As I said, I like
twists. A lot of the stuff I write is short. And, often, hopefully, perceived
as funny. Sometimes, it was even intended to be funny. Putting a disclaimer
list of characters/situation/etc., etc., ruins the fun of writing the little
oddities. Why do it, if I have to give it all away at the beginning.

Anyway, I've probably babbled more on list this year than I did last
year. I must say, though, I'm rather enjoying this discussion, now that I've
taken a few days to relax and, gotten a bit of my own angst out of my system
by writing.

It's all fiction...but the people writing it aren't. I think that's the point
I tried to get across in my first post.

Anyway, back to slacking.

--Sue

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 23:57:28 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Virus from Listmember detected!

In a message dated 5/17/01 10:17:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
emilymhanson@y....... writes:

> The attachments have 2 extensions, looks like the
>  first is random and the second is .scr (whatever that is, some sort
>  of scripting language probably).
There's actually numerous extensions and names to the attachment. The clue is
the e-mail will be a repeat of what you've posted with the added sentence
"please read to the attachment." DO NOT open this.

The virus automatically sends itself to all your unread e-mail's addresses.

The person with the virus is aware she has it (I e-mailed her) and I've also
alerted McLisa to the problem.

The virus is easy to get rid of with an UPDATED virus scanner. The virus is
only a few weeks or so old, so if you haven't updated your virus scanner
lately, NOW is the time.

LaCroix would NOT be pleased if he e-mailed you and you sent him a virus.
hahahah.

Libs

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Date:    Thu, 17 May 2001 23:56:03 -0400
From:    g4akl@c.......
Subject: Lacroix's virus was  Re: Virus from Listmember detected!

At 11:57 PM 5/17/01 EDT, Libby wrote:

>LaCroix would NOT be pleased if he e-mailed you and you sent him a virus.
>hahahah.

OTOH if you DID accidently pass on a virus to LC, I can see him
hunting down and 'rewarding' the virus's originator with what
he or she so richly deserves (being lunch).

Arletta
who has seen the damage caused to a friend's PC by a virus

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 01:42:44 -0400
From:    Stephanie Kellerman 
Subject: Re: Virus from Listmember detected!

What was the name of the virus?  Did anyone find out the name of this virus?

Usually in a windows system a .scr extension means a screensaver.  In other
words don't go finding files on your computer with the .scr extension and then
delete them, because you won't have any screensavers left.

--
Steph
stephke@i.......
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
"If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun."  Katherine Hepburn

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 01:39:53 -0400
From:    Brenda Bell 
Subject: Re: Virus from Listmember detected!

At 08:01 PM, Kyer wrote:

> > I opened an attachment from a listmember a bit ago and my NAV (god
> > bless it--money well spent) detected a virus.

General rule of thumb is not to open any attachments you're not expecting.

At 08:10 PM 5/17/2001 -0700, Emily Hanson wrote:

>...The attachments have 2 extensions, looks like the
>first is random and the second is .scr (whatever that is, some sort
>of scripting language probably).

My NAV indicated that a message sent privately from a list member was
infected with "W32.Badtrans.13312@mm", which is one of those
Outlook-attacking worms much on the order of "Melissa", "Anna", and
"ILOVEYOU". Unfortunately, the text of the message was lost along with the
virus code, and I couldn't get to any place to warn this person privately
until just now.

The definition, protection, and "cure" for W32.Badtrans.13312@mm has been
available from Symantec since 11 April, and from McAfee for I think a
little longer than that (don't recall their figures offhand).


Brenda Faith Bell       webwarren@e.......
Consultant, The Web Warren      http://www.webwarren.com/

arachne@w.......
bfbell@d.......

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 02:22:22 -0700
From:    StormBorn 
Subject: Categories

Boy, am I relieved at McL's call, because I agree with Libratsie.  I don't
want to have to decide what sort of 'category' a story would fit into, and I
also don't want people automatically deleting any stories based simply on a
category.  For instance, a story labeled "Romance: Nick and Nat" might be
something I wouldn't care for, or it might be one of the best stories I've
read; it would all depend on the plot/theme/tone and how the author handled
it.

JADFE's categories are a horse of another color entirely, as they fall
within a specific genre (erotica) and some pairings I'm just not that
interested in *in that genre*.

Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q....... or stormborn@l.......
http://stormborn.tripod.com/

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 06:15:27 -0700
From:    Lisa McDavid 
Subject: Virus situation under control

Thanks to Libratsie's quick action in recognizing the virus and
notifying me, I've been able to nomail the subscriber whose
system is infected.  The problem seems to be the badtrans virus,
which sends itself in reply to all unread messages in the
infected subscriber's mail.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 06:30:25 -0700
From:    Lisa McDavid 
Subject: Amdin: more about the virus problem

The owner of the address which is sending the virus attachment
is a long-time member. I'm quite sure she is a victim of the
virus herself and equally sure she didn't know she had it or
that it was using her address to resend itself.

I thought I should say this publicly so she wouldn't be blamed
for something didn't do on purpose.

As I said in a previous post, the address has been nomailed on
the FK lists. This will prevent the virus from replying to
posters.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 09:32:28 -0500
From:    Margie Hammet 
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across

At 10:06 PM 5/17/01 -0500, eowyn3@j....... wrote:

>Every once in a while I get the urge to contribute to the discussion.
>I'll try some cheese-making here.  Perhaps the vampire doing the bringing
>across, "feeds" only those he wants as his children.  The bond between
>master and child is established when the child feeds from the master.

I do think that's it, even though the show never stated it.  When Nick
wakes up, right after being brought across, LaCroix gives him his arm, and
Nick immediately sucks hungrily.  It makes me think of a new mother feeding
her baby.

OTOH, when Nick wants to create a bond with Alyssa, he pours some of his
blood from a glass onto her lips, more like a lover, pouring a few drops of
wine onto his lover's lips.


Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 11:19:09 -0700
From:    Kyer 
Subject: Need Techie Nerd for Fictional computer info!

Need technical name for a software function that I don't want to get into
here.  If you qualify under the term 'Techie Nerd' (said with great
affection--G!) then please e-mail me off list and I'll describe what I'm
looking for.
This is for a fic, btw---my computer is fine.  (well, as much as its *ever*
been fine, but that's neither here nor there)
Thanks much!

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 11:21:35 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess 
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across

--- eowyn3@j....... wrote:
> Perhaps the vampire doing the bringing across, "feeds" only those he
wants as his children.  The bond between master and child is established
when the child feeds from the master. <

This had in fact been the topic of a very interesting discussion I had
with another FK fan who is not on this list but was my coworker a while
ago. He too had the same opinion about why the master feeds the child
after bringing her across. So regarding that discussion and my own humble
opinion I think the situation is like this: If a vampire sips but doesn’t
drain the mortal’s blood completely, the victim can come across. I think
there is a certain threshold for that to which LC was referring to in DoN,
but this threshold can also be achieved accidentally. The master feeds the
newly made vampire to mark her as his own as well as to solidify the
bond/link that will connect her to him, because after that she’d be his
responsibility. From what I saw in the show I have the notion that
fledglings made accidentally and without feeding from their masters get
mad after a while (the ones on the show looked quite mad to me) and most
won’t survive. I also think the master has control over how much knowledge
he passes to the fledgling in his first blood. That’s probably how Vachon
learned the ways of survival even though his master died soon after his
crossing and didn't have time to teach him and his twin brother the
lessons of the night.

Sunny



=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies

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Date:    Fri, 18 May 2001 14:53:06 -0400
From:    Allie Percy 
Subject: GWDFC Internet Charity Auction reminder

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:-)
--
Dr. Allie (allie@g.......)
Internet Charity Auction!  http://www.gwdfc.org/auction
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