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FORKNI-L Digest - 12 May 2001 to 13 May 2001 - Special issue (#2001-153)

Sun, 13 May 2001

There are 27 messages totalling 1003 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. things I don't like in a fanfic (12)
  2. Nightcrawler in german (2)
  3. Milk, bread, FK... (3)
  4. FK FanFic
  5. Mary Sue?
  6. James Parriott Question
  7. Fanfic--dislikes *and* likes
  8. More on the 2000 Fanfic Awards
  9. LaCroix Currency
 10. My penance (2)
 11. On writing good xover fic
 12. Admin:  FORKNI-L Rules

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 15:46:09 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: things I don't like in a fanfic

Reviewing the results from the 2000 fanfic awards and the experience I had
voting for stories made me think about something I never really considered
before but resided in my subconscious since the begining. After reading
over a gazillion fanfics over the past 7 months I realized how there are
certain points that make a story a complete no no to me. I thought it
might be a good idea to list them not just because itís something for me
to mull over (and not blame the authors for writing bad stories but myself
for not liking them ) but also for authors to perhaps avoid certain things
that appear in more than one readerís list if more people care to follow
this. Pointing out the fact that Iím not implying in any way for any of
these to be bad or inappropriate for a good fanfic and that these are just
my opinions and there are no flames intended, I now present the top 13
things I *donít* like to read in a FK fiction in no particular order:

1. Natalie is brought across.
2. Nick is cured before or early in the story.
3. LaCroix is killed before or early in the story.
4. The main FK characters become secondary to a character created by the
author (even if itís not Mary Sue).
5. Any emphasis on ďHuman FactorĒ.
6. People are clued in on Nickís secret in a completely flat and concise
way and they donít even care to be surprised but only want to get on with
the rest of the story.
7. Nick and Nat have a hot scene without any appearance of the vampire (I
think some authors take Nickís vamp side on a sun filled holiday to Hawaii
just so the lovers can enjoy a regular romance-novelish type of intimate
encounter.)
8. Nick has a child. (cringe, and there are so many of these, I just canít
wipe away the image of the 40 year old person this child will become some
day, and calling the barely over thirty y/o vampire ďDadĒ)
9. Fleur shows up, in the present day story of course, with no reasonable
explanation of course.
10. Supernatural creatures not mentioned in the show make appearances (
such as Aliens, werewolves, agent ScullyÖ)
11. Xovers that lean heavily to the non-FK side, especially if I donít
know anything about that side. Worse are Xovers that act as if the FK gang
had never even been to Toronto and had lived their entire lives in the
other universe.
12. The implication that LaCroix and/or Janette had known or seen or had
encounters with Nick before 1228 (although this wonít stop me from reading
the rest of the story I still would like to go with what the show
suggested). A definite cringer is the idea of them knowing him as a child.

13. A Tracy-Vachon story with no significant appearance from either Nick
or LaCroix.

Countess

=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 15:58:55 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler in german

--- Anja <Narcus@w.......> wrote:
> They translated it because they translate EVERYTHING here...
> keeps the population dumb when you ask me... :-(

Yet from what I remember of my days in Germany the population was anything
but dumb, and dubbing was IMO an art. Although you are right that in some
cass they went too far like turning a name as witty and inclusive  as
'Forever Knight' into 'Nick Knight--der vampircop' (!!!)

Sunny

=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 19:36:15 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

In a message dated 5/12/01 5:46:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
countessa2000@y....... writes:

> 1. Natalie is brought across.
This goes back and forth for me. I've even written a few of them, or at least
one. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't.

>  13. A Tracy-Vachon story with no significant appearance from either Nick
>  or LaCroix.
Hmmmm. This is another one that sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't. I
guess it depends on the story. I've certainly written my share of "Screed
only" stories without Nick or LaCroix. Since fanfic is a way to explore
characters, even non-main ones, I don't think I mind it.

Some of my pet peeves:

1. Characters totally out of character with no explanation as to why or
really even reason. Now, i do take characters out of character when I write
fanfic, I admit that, but I do it for humor and definitely tongue in check.
(The fact Screed and Nat have it going hot and heavy is NOT taking them out
of character as it is canon - yep, it really is.  That longing, sad face
Natalie has when she realizes Screed is dying *sigh* Romance at its best)

2. Screed written WITHOUT using Screed speak.

3. LaCroix so goody two-shoes that you expect him to start helping little old
ladies across the street then buying them a dozen roses for letting him
escort them. Now, if there's a REASON he's being nice, or if he's doing it
out of an emotional struggle, that's another matter. I like my Nunkies a bit
on the dark side.

4. Authors who don't know basic grammar rules such as separating paragraphs
for different speakers.  I'm very loose in my grammar rules and I write some
professionally, but there's some rules that are there to make it easier for
the reader!

As the original poster, these are simply *MY* pet peeves and not aimed at
anyone. There's people who have pet peeves against my stories and that's fine.

Libs

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 19:47:32 -0400
From:    Emma <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Milk, bread, FK...

Today I had the wierd experience of running across FK in the
supermarket, and not a YKYBWTMFKW moment either. As I passed by their
measly selection of books, there in front of a group of 2 for $5.98
books was a copy of 'These Our Revels.'

--
elighton@b.......
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head mouse clicker
Survivor of Wars 9+10
"Like Frankenstien, I did it my way." - Bon Jovi
http://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 16:50:00 -0700
From:    Susan Clark <sclark@b.......>
Subject: FK FanFic

Congrats to all those who wrote, read, and enjoyed FK Fanfic.

--Sue

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 19:29:26 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

I cant agree with all of these at all.

Some I do.

There are some stories I really like that have incorporated some of these.

I think its individual taste.  I dont mind the idea of Natalie being brought
over.  IN the right circumstance.  I LOVE the idea of Nick being cured.  I
also love the idea of Nick not being cured: ie Dark Nick.

Im not going to go point by point, but I respond because I dont want lists
to discourage people to stop writing if they get the idea people arent
reading.  This also doesnt mean I want to encourage fanfic for the sake of
fanfic either.  The FK writers here have put out AMAZING works of art that I
feel should be able to really be publsihed, but... TPTB have other ideas.

--
Cecilia
Lady Ariadne--webmistress
http://www.wildbadgers.net
ICQ# 10820105
--

 Pointing out the fact that Iím not implying in any way for any of
these to be bad or inappropriate for a good fanfic and that these are just
my opinions and there are no flames intended, I now present the top 13
things I *donít* like to read in a FK fiction in no particular order:

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 02:25:20 +0100
From:    Anja <Narcus@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nightcrawler in german

>Yet from what I remember of my days in Germany the population was anything
>but dumb, and dubbing was IMO an art. Although you are right that in some
>cass they went too far like turning a name as witty and inclusive  as
>'Forever Knight' into 'Nick Knight--der vampircop' (!!!)

You are right... maybe it is just that I think there should be more movies and
series in O-tone. English is world language and to dub everthing keeps the
people from learning english...
Let's face it, when you find something you are interested in, even when it is a
TV series you want to understand what they say.
That is what I did when I discovered the internet and all the wonderful FK sites
six (!) years ago.

And yes, they do very good work with dubbing and the actors who worked for FK
are great and very talented.

Bye
 Anja

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 20:35:55 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

Sunny LaCountess wrote:
<snip>After reading over a gazillion fanfics over the past 7 months I realized
how there are certain points that make a story a complete no no to me.<snip>

I am a no-no, and I've had an enjoyable time committing my transgressions, for
better or for worse, for the five years I've been writing on FKFIC-L.

As much as certain types of stories have driven me up the wall for years
(Nat having Nick's baby, or plots centered around the rape of a major character),
there must be an audience for the stories that I choose to delete, as well as a
need in the authors to write them. Otherwise, they would have never grown to the
status of a notable phenomenon. I also have to admit that for every 'type' of
story I might say I dislike, there has always been at least one exception to the
rule, one that was so well done that I kept reading despite any 'no-nos' I
might apply to what makes a good FK fanfic.

Something that's easy to forget, something that I've forgotten myself when
complaining about fanfic content on another list, is that fiction and creativity
come down to the freedom of expression. When people aren't encouraged to write
for something other than approval, but for themselves, the spontanaeity, the
passion, and the enthusiasm goes out of it. With ninth-inning clarity, I
suppose I accept that there's no way everyone will always write stories that I
think have great plots, style, characterization and grammar, and there's no way
I'm going to satisfy the readers of FK fanfic at large on the same points. Why
should I? Why should you?

Write! Write whatever you want!

Read! Read whatever you want!

These two things should never be mutually exclusive in a community of
individuals.

<waves>

*****************************************************************************
Bonnie Rutledge..........<br1035@i.......>..........Single and Fabulous!
     "Ack! Ack! They're doing it! They're having the guinea pig stew!"

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 20:16:55 -0400
From:    Emma <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: Mary Sue?

>If anyone has, I'd like to read it.  I wonder what Nick would
>think of Ryoko, the space pirate.  And Lacroix would meet
>his match in Tenchi's grandfather (the former prince of Jurai).
>
I'm wondering what Lacroix's reaction to Ryo-ohki would be. I can't
see him dealing with something that cute too well.
If you want to see just how cute, a web search on the word 'Cabbit'
is probably the fastest way to find pictures. (Oh, and she's a space
ship. No, really.)

BTW, I'd recommend watching Tenchi subtitled if you can. Anime
doesn't tend to dub well.

--
elighton@b.......
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head mouse clicker
Survivor of Wars 9+10
"Christianity is brought to you in part by Chevrolet"-A&E
http://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 20:57:50 EDT
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@c.......>
Subject: Re: Milk, bread, FK...

<< there in front of a group of 2 for $5.98
 books was a copy of 'These Our Revels.'

Did you buy it? :)=  Jeannie

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 21:44:07 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

In a message dated 5/12/01 7:43:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
br1035@i....... writes:

> Write! Write whatever you want!
>
>  Read! Read whatever you want!
Hear! Hear!

Although I did break down and list MY pet peeves, they are meant as nothing
more than pet peeves. I've had e-mails from people who refuse to read Screed
fic (but have read my other stories) and that is fine. I've also had some
major spelling/grammar mistakes in my fanfic, but I also have in my
professional work (and in once case it was the EDITOR who accidently inserted
the wrong spelling! LOL!

The only rule is that you follow the rules of FKFIC or whatever list you are
posting to.

Libs

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 18:24:51 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

From: Sunny LaCountess:
>2. Nick is cured before or early in the story
.
Kyer throws out Side Affects 'cause Nick is cured (albeit changed in other
ways as well!) in the beginning of that story..(though, fortunately, it
didn't stick.)

>4. The main FK characters become secondary to a character created by the
>author (even if it's not Mary Sue).

<sob> tosses out her xovers including two in progress...

>5. Any emphasis on "Human Factor"

Not sure, but I think one of mine referenced this as well. <slaps forehead>

>8. Nick has a child.

Sob!  Bye, bye... Spike! <whimper>  Don't ferget to wash behind your
thorns..  Don't cry, Nick.  Maybe he can return on holidays?

>10. Supernatural creatures not mentioned in the show make appearances (
>such as Aliens, werewolves, agent Scully.)

Ack!  The tourist aliens in my first ever fic!  Gads--Griffy!  Waaah!  Oh,
the bodies are piling up!  <sobs hysterically>

>11. Xovers that lean heavily to the non-FK side, especially if I don't
>know anything about that side. Worse are Xovers that act as if the FK gang
>had never even been to Toronto and had lived their entire lives in the
>other universe.

Guilty!  Guilty!  <Kyer hangs up pen..er..keyboard. Decides it makes for a
lousy wall decor and pitches it in the trash.>  Can I get time off for good
behavior?

>12. The implication that LaCroix and/or Janette had known or seen or had
>encounters with Nick before 1228 <snip> A definite cringer is the idea of
>them knowing him as a child.

Lorelei, don't read this one--please!  I love that part of your series!
Don't look!Don't look!

>13. A Tracy-Vachon story with no significant appearance from either Nick
>or LaCroix.

Is that an army of Dark Perks, Perkulators, Vaqueros, ect. I see coming over
the hill bearing flaming torches?  Kyer sees she is between them and the
Countess and quickly calls for the Inka to carry her out of the line of
fire!  I wanna liiive!

This was a bad attempt to make jovial at this list.  Having mineself
seriously committed foot in mouth obscenities more times than I care to
remember, I will forgive as I have been forgiven. <g>

But you'd best have a good fic at the ready, Countess to mullify the masses.
Or at least have a good fortress handy during the next War.  Those Dark
Perks have memories like evil pink dustbunnies. <eg>

:)=

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 21:46:03 -0500
From:    wirickml <n.debrabant@g.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

The thing I really don't care to much for
is the FK people to far out of character.
Them acting not at all like themselves
at all.

I don't mind Nat being brought across.

I don't mind Nick being cured or not.

Of course I read everything I can
get my hands on. It's all so great.
When the Fic list gets slow,
I go into withdrawl.
I need my FK fix.
I'm an addict.

M. L. Wirick
NNPacker
"I'm Hungry, I Feed"

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 23:04:48 EDT
From:    Phoenix348@a.......
Subject: James Parriott Question

Does anyone happen to have a mailing address for James Parriott?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Stephen
Phoenix348@a.......

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 20:50:56 -0700
From:    StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Fanfic--dislikes *and* likes

There are all sorts of tastes in the FK community (or we wouldn't have such
a good time <g>), and fanfic for every taste.  Having said that, and with a
nod of respect to the Countess' righ to her opinions, these are about the
only things I don't like in fanfic:

1.  Punctuation and/or spelling so bad that it is nearly impossible to read
the story.
2.  Unoriginal plotlines, and by this I mean plots that have been written
over and over and over...
3.  Stories that stereotype the characters (Nick is always Goody Two-Shoes,
LaCroix is Snidely Whiplash without the mustache, etc.).

Things I like to see in fanfic:

1.  Unexpected twists and turns--the kind that keep me eagerly waiting for
the next installment.
2.  Fanfic that recognizes the light and dark sides of the characters.
3.  Surprise endings.
4.  Stories that closely follow the format of the episodes, that is, a cop
story that affects or relates to one of the vampires' personal lives.
5.  Texture--by this I mean a story that makes me feel as if I were actually
there.
6.  Stories that show the *effect* on the characters of the actions they've
taken (for instance, if Nick gets cured I want to see how he deals with
sudden vulnerability or other mortal woes; if he kills LaCroix I want to see
how the absence of an 800-year-long relationship affects him).

Well, that's my 13 and 1/2 cents...<g>

Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q....... or stormborn@l.......
http://stormborn.tripod.com/

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 20:44:34 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

--- Kyer wrote a bunch of things that made Sunny feel guilty--

I'm sorry you took it so hard Kyer. I never meant to condemn any of the
stories anyone wrote. I loved your Griffin series and Lorelei knows how
much I love her stuff. I also told her which parts I don't like and we had
a few emails back and forth about it. I never aimed to say that fanfics
including my pet peevs are in any way were bad or worthless. Quite on the
contrary, I was happy to realize that most of them weren't bad at all but
it was me who had a problem with them and this was my way of pinpointing
those problems. Maybe I shouldn't have posted it. I was only thinking
about letting others know that perhaps that was their problem too. To
avoid flaming the authors instead of seeing the truth, blaming an entire
story only because of one thing they didn't like. To list those ideas for
yourself gives you the chance to side step them while reading the stories
and look deeper at the style and the writing. I am also fully aware how
the different factions like their characters and never say they should
stop writing their own fics. Also I forgot to mention that there are
always exceptions to any rule, your Griffin stories being a good example
just as Nancyís DejaVu story for the ĎCured Nickí rule. Like wise there
are stories in the lines of my factions that have lower qualities and that
was my whole point. Nothing is perfect and thatís why we should keep
writing and reading.

Anyway my apologies to all writers who were disappointed, offended or
discouraged in any way because of my last post. Iíll make sure I consider
all things before I ever voice my opinion again. And you are right Kyer,
compared to you guys Iím a freshman and should learn to keep my mouth shut
sometimes.

Sunny

=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies

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Date:    Fri, 11 May 2001 22:05:34 -0500
From:    Cindy Ingram <cgi271@a.......>
Subject: More on the 2000 Fanfic Awards

I'm going to be out-of-touch for the next few days, but I couldn't leave
without dropping a quick note to the lists congratulating all the nominees
and winners of the 2000 FK Fan Fiction Awards. It was an honor to be in
your company; I truly mean that.

Many thanks and sincere appreciation also go to those who nominated stories
and voted in the awards, and kudos to Nancy Kaminski for making it all
happen! Great work!

Thanks, everyone.

(And my apologies to all who get this message more than once.)

Cindy Ingram
<cgi271@a.......>

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams.

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 01:49:33 EDT
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@c.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

<< I'll make sure I consider
 all things before I ever voice my opinion again. And you are right Kyer,
 compared to you guys I'm a freshman and should learn to keep my mouth shut>>

I really didn't think Kyer was hurt by the things she was writing about.  I
just thought the post was her usual sense of humor making light and teasing
those who are responding to these posts about "things I don't like in a fan
fic." I enjoyed it.

I find this whole line of posts uncomfortable and they make me self conscious
about the things I have yet to post.  We should all be encouraging people to
write and post.  Fan fic is what keeps out Forever "Knight" alive.  A lot of
our stories have reoccurring themes.  Its the nature of a show long gone and
with only so much cannon to follow. I find those who go out of the limits and
ignore cannon at times have written wonderful pieces. I just think of them as
alternate world stories.

I think we should be telling writers what we like and not what we don't like.
Sunny don't feel bad about your opinion.  It's your opinion. But lets
encourage the writer to keep going and inventing.  There are fanfic's I don't
read because there are things I don't like but I usually just keep it to
myself.

I appreciate everyones thoughts on the subject but how about adding the good
things you love as well.

Jeannie

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Date:    Sat, 12 May 2001 23:11:51 -0700
From:    Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Subject: LaCroix Currency

Anyone interested in an ancient "LaCroix" coin? An on line auction has a
69-79 A.D. Rome (Syria) Silver Tetradrachm of Vespasian up for bid at:

http://www.EarlyAmerican.com/sites/2001.06.09/text/0011_Ancient_Coins/01516_P.html

--
Cloud

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 10:00:14 -0700
From:    Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

Um... hello? <waves hand>
I've gotten lots of compliments on my fiction, and am in the process of writing
several non-FK stories I hope to be published someday.  If it wasn't for writing
my Schanke as a werewolf series, which many people seemed to like, I wouldn't
have taken that step.

I don't take kindly to non-constructive criticism.  If you don't like certain
types of fiction by fanfic authors, then just don't read it.

--- Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......> wrote:
> 10. Supernatural creatures not mentioned in the show make appearances (
> such as Aliens, werewolves, agent ScullyÖ)

=====
Emily Hanson
Main website - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com
ICQ# 73113057

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 10:35:58 -0700
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: My penance

You all know what I'm talking about and because of it I lost so much of my
newly and painfully established ground in the fandom that I won't even
dare to try to assess the damage. So here is my penance: I was wrong and
not looking at the whole picture. I deserve all the flames and urge you to
send them if you feel you want too. I'll read them all and possibly send
back my apologies to the authors. But I won't post to the list anything
anymore, at least not for a long time until this dies down and people
forgive me for my insensitivity. What I'm asking of you is just that,
forgiveness. And if you don't see me for a while it's not ignorance, it's
atonement.

A special apology to you too Lisa for bringing this up.

Truly yours
Sunny

=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 10:41:29 -0700
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: On writing good xover fic

Hi Everyone:

After reading Sunny's email, I sat back and did
some thinking...just wondering how I was going to
reply.  Thanks to Kyer and Jeannie among others
for giving me a springboard.

As somebody who enjoys writing alternate fic both
for FK and for Xena, I must admit that I'm guilty
as charged on several counts and will commit
several of the others before my own fic series is
finished.  But, again, while I like to read
"straight" FK fic (and I do respect the people
who do it), I find it extremely difficult to
write within those boundaries.  ("New Police
Addition" and "Living with the Differences" is
probably as close to traditional FK as I will
get.)  I have to admit that I would like to see
more people trying their hand at xovers as well,
but we all write as the Muse moves us....

I would like to bring up the fact that writing
good xover fic is a separate art form and takes a
lot of work to make sure that the characters mesh
together properly.  (Even if--as you will see in
my posts today--one have to recreate the
storylines to do it.:) )  Good fic will bring out
all of the characters and their interactions.  If
one has the focus, then it's because it's his/her
turn to develop their character.

In terms of characters that one has never heard
of...this is the joy of writing/reading xovers.
I like meeting characters who I have never heard
of before.  (For instance, after reading all of
the Highlander stuff on Mel's page, I have gained
a new appreciation for that show.)  Likewise,
after reading some of Emily's work, I have gained
a new appreciation for Voyager.  I guess my
advice is not to be afraid to experiment with
these interactions and let it all hang out.
Remember, this is art and we're supposed to
express ourselves.

Thanks for listening everyone!!! :)  Much
appreciated!

Sincerely,

David

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 10:42:19 -0700
From:    Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: My penance

You're forgiven, Sunny!  Please, people don't send flames, it'll only make it
worse.  She probably just posted without having the required caffeine IV first.

Emily (who went to bed at 2:30 am after a sci-fi convention last night, and also
needs caffeine.)

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 14:11:13 -0400
From:    Emma <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: Milk, bread, FK...

><< there in front of a group of 2 for $5.98
>  books was a copy of 'These Our Revels.'
>
>
>Did you buy it? :)=  Jeannie

No, I already have a copy. I figured it would best to leave it for
some other FK fan in the area to find. Unless they're on this list,
they might not even know the books existed.
--
elighton@b.......
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head mouse clicker
Survivor of Wars 9+10
"Christianity is brought to you in part by Chevrolet"-A&E
http://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 13:20:59 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin:  FORKNI-L Rules

<Picture Nick in the black costume and Hamlet pose from the flashback in
Human factor>:
"To rule or not to rule,  that's not the question.
 For McLisa will take arms against a sea of breakage,
 And by opposing end it."

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 14:27:42 -0400
From:    Emma <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

IMHO, these are things everyone should try to do away with in fanfic:

1)Fanfic where the author was clearly using "Smart Quotes" (The ones
that curl inward) which turn into a bunch of letters instead.

2)Fanfic with a bunch of "" on the ends of lines

3)Fanfic where the author used a font that causes apostrophes to turn
into some sort of mutant i thingie. (I think it's the font that
causes this. I could be wrong.)

4)Fanfic where the author inserted a line break at 80+ characters.

All of the above make fanfic too much of a pain to read.

Other than that, write what your little hearts desire.

--
elighton@b.......
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head mouse clicker
Survivor of Wars 9+10
"Like Frankenstien, I did it my way." - Bon Jovi
http://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html

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Date:    Sun, 13 May 2001 14:29:27 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic

No... that isnt the answer either.... We do have to voice our opinions in
some light.  Its hard to get that right temperament of opinion and gospel.
Its almost impossible so dont feel too bad about it.  Someone, somewhere,
out in cyber land will always be offended at anything, anytime.
But most people here tend to have the skin thickness needed to survive.

Heck, I have my fanfic no no's that irk the tar out of me, and not just FK.
I hate out of character, unless there is a specific POINT to it (Ie
possession). I hate pairings just for the heck of pairings  (other genres...
pair anything and anyone...UGH!)

I hate fic who copy other people works and just change the names... (ive
seen this happen)

I hate people who cant get BASIC grammar rules down.

But you know...out of all the genres I read it, and there is great stuff out
there, I do say the FK is the best all around fic.

--
Cecilia
Lady Ariadne--webmistress
http://www.wildbadgers.net
ICQ# 10820105
--

Anyway my apologies to all writers who were disappointed, offended or
discouraged in any way because of my last post. Iíll make sure I consider
all things before I ever voice my opinion again. And you are right Kyer,
compared to you guys Iím a freshman and should learn to keep my mouth shut
sometimes.

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End of FORKNI-L Digest - 12 May 2001 to 13 May 2001 - Special issue (#2001-153)
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