FORKNI-L Digest - 15 Mar 2001 to 16 Mar 2001 (#2001-85)
Fri, 16 Mar 2001
There are 11 messages totalling 488 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. you know you've been ....
2. Forever strike! 01/01 (2)
3. Copyrights (3)
4. Strange Foreign Foodstuffs ... (WAS; Re: Re: Top Ten "There Oughta Be
5. Strange Foreign Foodstuffs ... (WAS; Re: Re: Top Ten "There Oughta Be a
6. Strange Foreign Foodstuffs ...
7. Admin: Food and Staying on topic
8. Need Some Info
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:37:05 EST
From: Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: you know you've been ....
... an UFfer for a long long time when you see the subject line:
> Subject: Understanding What Nick and Nat Do and How They Do It.
and think, "No, this isn't about what I *think* it's about, is it????"
and you're right. It's not <g>.
UF list cobra
He complains, but the only thing he actually refuses to eat is
Hitler. -- Chris R., of LC <g>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:11 -0800
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Forever strike! 01/01
By Emily M. Hanson
Disclaimers: The characters of Forever Knight are not mine, I'm just borrowing
them for some fun.
Any minor characters not recognizable from the show are mine, such as Ernie and
Al. Forever Knight was created by James Parriott.
Permission is granted to archive to Mel's site and to the FTP site and to
This story has not been beta-read.
* * * * *
Nick couldn't believe he'd let Schanke talk him into going bowling. A member of
Don's team had come down sick with a bad case of the flu. They needed one more
person for the tournament, so Nick Knight volunteered. Two homicide detectives
and one beat cop were on the bowling team, besides Don Schanke. It was Detective
Rogers who'd gotten ill, and he had the best score in the group.
"Hey, Knight," Don said as Nick walked into the bowling alley. The lights were
dimmed and glow-in-the-dark balls spiraled down the lanes. Loud music threatened
to make the vampire temporarily deaf. "We're on lane eight. Find a ball and
rent some shoes."
Nick got a pair of shoes.
"How many games?" The guy behind the counter asked. His nametag read Ernie.
"Uh..." Knight glanced at Schanke. "How many?"
"Three. That's the standard. Don't tell me you've never bowled before, pal."
"The last time I went bowling was in the 1970's."
Don's eyes widened. "Are you serious?"
"Well, your hand-eye coordination ought to make up for the lack of practice."
Nick pre-paid for the games and shoes. He went over and started lifting balls.
They ranged from 8 to 16 pounds. "Schank, this is like picking up a piece of
paper. Where do they keep the heavier balls?"
"You want something that weighs more, you'll have to get it custom made."
"He can use Bertha."
Schanke looked behind him and saw Al O'Brien, a very tall and well-muscled
"Al, this is my partner, Nick Knight."
Recognition dawned on the Irishman's face. "Wow. I knew you two worked
together, but I never thought I'd see you here, Mr. Knight."
"Please, call me Nick. How heavy is your ball?"
The muscle-bound Irishman lifted up his ball. It was black with red sparkles
and had a flaming bowling pin painted on the side. "Bertha's 25 pounds. You
want to try her?"
So mortals named their bowling balls. Interesting custom, Knight thought, he
hadn't heard of it before. Nick took the bowling ball and inserted his fingers
into the holes, the way he'd seen Al do it. "Yeah, this is nice. I probably
need something slightly heavier, but it will be fine for now. Too bad they don't
make bowling balls for vampires."
"Hmm, now there's an interesting thought. The problem is that a ball over 50
pounds could really damage the lanes and the pinsetter. A ball weighing less
could still do damage, if it’s thrown with enough force.”
“I’ll be careful,” Nick said. “Thanks.”
Nick knew Schanke’s teammates, he’d seen them around before. He was a little
surprised to see Joe Stonetree, his former captain, on the opposing team.
“Knight!” The Native American said, his face splitting into a grin. “You’re
Rogers’ replacement? I’m not even going to ask how you managed to get here
during the daytime, but I’ll bet it has something to do with those dragon friends
of yours. I didn’t know you bowled.”
“I don’t bowl much,” the blonde vampire replied. “I let Schanke talk me into
“Ah. It isn’t too difficult. You’ll pick it up, I’m sure.”
Finally, everyone had arrived. Schanke was up first. He got a split, with
eight pins down and one on each end. He hit the right corner pin for a score
on nine. The other mortals both got strikes. Nick was up last. He concentrated,
focused on the arrow in the middle, and swung. The ball headed straight for the
left gutter, but veered to the right at the last second and hit three end pins.
Nick couldn’t believe he’d done so badly.
“You can still pick up a spare,” Schanke remarked.
“Yeah,” Knight answered. He aimed and this time the ball went for the right
gutter. The vampire grimaced.
“You’ve got a hook shot,” Don said. “Keep it a little straighter next time, and
you’ll do fine.”
They went through four more frames. Nick’s score was 54 by the fifth frame.
Schanke had gotten 2 strikes and a spare, his score was 85 and the others were
in the 70’s. The teams scores were close, they only needed to get ahead by
another strike and hold their lead.
Nick picked up a spare on the sixth frame, the next time he bowled a gutter ball
and then got five. Schanke got two more strikes. By this time, the vampire was
getting frustrated. They were on the eighth frame and he still hadn’t gotten a
single strike. He watched how the successful bowlers moved, how they aimed and
swung. Finally, it was Nick’s turn again. He released the ball. It veered
towards the gutter! Knight groaned and started to turn around, but suddenly his
teammates cheered. He turned, looked, and saw the ball curve towards the
middle. All the pins went down! Nick got eight pins down each of the next two
frames. His score for the game was 96.
“Not bad for a guy who hasn’t bowled in over twenty years,” Don remarked.
“Twenty years? Is he serious?” Stonetree asked.
“Yeah,” Nick answered, looking a little sheepish.
“I’m impressed. If you practiced regularly, I’d bet you’d score 300 every
time,” Detective Jones said. He was on Schanke’s team.
In the first frame of the next game, Schanke bowled a strike. The others got
nine. Nick got a spare. Stonetree also got a spare. He had been mostly getting
spares, so had his teammates. Their team was ahead by nine. It was the fifth
frame and Knight was up. His hook shot got him the corner pin on the first try,
and the other corner pin on the second. Finally, in the sixth frame, Nick got
another strike. Schanke knocked down nine pins. Detective Jones got a strike,
and Officer Harrison (the other member of Schanke’s team) got seven.
Three more frames passed. Knight’s score was 89. He bowled and got a tricky
split. The two corner pins were up, and it would be tough to knock down both
of them. The vampire concentrated, trying to find the best possible angle to
hit at least one pin. He aimed for the left corner pin. At first it looked
like he was going to get a gutter ball. Then the ball swung towards the pin
and hit it with enough force, so that the it bounced and knocked down the pin
on the right corner. He’d gotten the spare!
“All right,” Schanke said enthusiastically. “Keep it up.”
In the third game, Nick kept bowling strike after strike. He missed a couple,
but ended up with a score of 284. Stonetree was better, but not by much. His
final score was 286. Schanke’s was 192. In the end, Schanke’s team won by 5
points. It was a close call.
Al came forward after the game. He’d been watching from a table nearby. “You
bowled pretty well there,” he said.
“I’ll take Bertha now.”
Knight handed the ball over with one hand. Al had to use both hands to take it.
He inspected Bertha and then nodded satisfactorily. “No dents, no scratches.
I’m a happy man. Glad to have met you.”
“The losing team buys the winning team pizza,” Schanke said. “You’re welcome to
join us, but we understand if you don’t want to, with the garlic and all.”
“I appreciate the offer, but I’ll pass,” Nick replied.
“Okay. Have a good one. I’ll see you at work tomorrow.”
“Yeah, see you.”
* * * * *
By Emily M. Hanson
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:14:29 -0800
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Forever strike! 01/01
Oops! Sorry! Must have clicked on the wrong address in my address book!
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:21:08 EST
Subject: Re: Copyrights
In regards to K. C.'s husband's thoughts on the whole Napster thing
affecting fic writers, I too had the very same thought. Then, I thought some
more, and while I am probably wrong, I think they may leave us alone. I
sincerely hope that the powers that be, whoever they are, that own the rights
to a show like FK might consider the fact that once their show has been
cancelled and then, as is the case for FK in the US, the reruns get
cancelled, lists like ours are what keep people interested in shows that
might otherwise be forgotten. (Not that I think any of us would EVER forget
FK! We would simply have no outlet for that interest) For example, if we
stir up enough interest in sale video's of the show to finally get them made
available, than, the same guy that could stop the fic writers, stands to make
more money because fic writers have in a sense helped to keep the show alive
for the fans who otherwise might move on to a different show.
If I owned FK I would be thinking that as long as these on line groups
keep interest in my show alive, there is a chance that some day it might turn
out to be like a Star Trek,(OK, I know that a lot of people think that would
be a far stretch, but remember, I am trying to think like the people who
stand to make money off a show that achieves cult status or get's put back on
the air be it in reruns, or new episodes, or movies...)
Is this making sense to anyone??? It sounded so good when it was rattling
around in my brain! If not, just ignore me, but I hope, that if it makes no
sense to anyone else, it makes perfect sense to those "Powers that Be!" I
can learn to live without Napster, but NEVER without FK fiction!
Going back to lurking now,
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:14:48 -0000
From: Dark-Dancer <sapphicstone@y.......>
Subject: Strange Foreign Foodstuffs ... (WAS; Re: Re: Top Ten "There
Oughta Be a Faction")
> Well, okay, I'll give you the Ribena. But--Marmite?
> Jellied eels? Baked beans on toast? Laverbread?
Marmite is vile whether you're British or not ;) I cannot stand that stuff.
I'm thinking you have a point with the ickyness of British foodstuffs -- but
what's Laverbread? I'm probably the only one who doesn't know, but I can't
say "Eww" till I've figured out what it is <grin>
> You may now feel free to go "eeeuuuuwww" at American
> foodstuffs. <g>
My girlfriend is partly American and lives there at the moment. I was
talking to her on the phone last night and she was going on about cheese
popcorn ... whats up with that?! :) Popcorn should be sweet or buttered but
not cheese! &I think she's probably the only one that puts salt on cucumber
sandwiches, but who can tell :P
I like most American food, it's just the large quantities that disturb me!
SapphicStone@y....... // star@m.......
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:47:23 -0500
From: Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Copyrights
At 12:57 PM 3/15/2001 -0800, KC wrote:
>There have also been times when my kids wanted a particular CD
>and we've listened to one (or all) of the songs on that CD, before
>deciding whether or not to purchase it for our kids.
This is one of the biggest arguments *for* Napster... the argument that
record sales are actually *increased* because people have had the
opportunity to listen to them beforehand. The two problems are that (1) not
everybody uses this the same way as they use the "music preview" on, say,
the CD NOW site, and (2) record companies are scared of any distribution
method that they cannot control 100%.
> The only other thing my husband said might cause a problem, is our FK
>'merchandise' that people can buy online through some of the fans.
>...He insists that somewhere along the line *someone* is making a profit.
Of course someone's making a profit of FK fan merchandise -- just, not the
fan-vendors. The folks making money off FK merchandise include:
The T-shirt and clothing manufacturers (e.g. Hanes, Fruit of the
The professional T-shirt transfer manufacturers
The people who attach the professional T-shirt transfers to the
The embroiderers (when items are given out to be embroidered,
rather than embroidered on someone's new embroidery sewing machine <*waves
The mug manufacturers
The mug customizers
The importers of any merchandise brought in from overseas (e.g., mugs)
...the list continues...
If there *were* to be a crackdown on unlicensed FK merchandise, though, it
wouldn't be the T-shirt manufacturers who would be sued -- it would be the
people who provide the graphics for the transfers, the people who produce
the transfers, and the people who sell the final products.
Brenda F. Bell webwarren@e....... /nick TMana IM: n2kye
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:01:16 -0800
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Copyrights
There is a chance, but a slim one. The TV producers tried to kill Star Trek
after low ratings, but the reason it got low ratings (IIRC) was it kept being
moved to different time slots, just like FK. Fans wrote letters to the stations
involved and got Star Trek back on. Not to mention wasn't Gene Roddenberry
influential with the TV executives?
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think one reason TPTB haven't cracked down
is they don't see our fanfic put on the listserve or our web sites as being
"professionally published", even as good as the quality of most fic is! The
one time they did crack down, the person had attempted to get a story
professionally published in book format and try to sell it. I think we're
fairly safe as long as we don't do that.
--- PF820@a....... wrote:
> If I owned FK I would be thinking that as long as these on line groups
> keep interest in my show alive, there is a chance that some day it might turn
> out to be like a Star Trek show...
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:40:22 -0700
From: Rose Thatcher <dreamerextrodanar@h.......>
Subject: Re: Strange Foreign Foodstuffs ... (WAS; Re: Re: Top Ten "There Oughta
Be a Faction")
>My girlfriend is partly American and lives there at the moment. I was
>talking to her on the phone last night and she was going on about cheese
>popcorn ... whats up with that?! :) Popcorn should be sweet or buttered but
>not cheese! &I think she's probably the only one that puts salt on cucumber
>sandwiches, but who can tell :P
My exchange student used to put salt and sugar on her popcorn. I always
wondered how she could eat that. But cheese popcorn is good, and how can
you eat cucumbers without salt? It's the best! :P now, I want to know how
the english can eat fried pizza. (ewwww!) and don't deny it! My brother
went there for a while, and told us all about it! <G>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:41:22 -0700
From: StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Re: Strange Foreign Foodstuffs ...
>>I'm thinking you have a point with the ickyness of British foodstuffs --
but what's Laverbread? I'm probably the only one who doesn't know, but I
can't say "Eww" till I've figured out what it is <grin><<
Laverbread is Welsh <insert Welsh joke here> and apparently it's some sort
of cake or biscuit made from seaweed. <shudder!>
Cheese popcorn is very good, and I can't imagine eating a cucumber without
> I like most American food, it's just the large quantities that disturb me!
I'm in agreement on that! An alarming proportion of the American population
Dragging this back on topic: what foods do you think it a real shame that
Nick can't indulge in? Given his like for baseball, I'd say a hot dog with
mustard, onions and sauerkraut would be the first thing I'd hand him.
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:51:30 -0800
From: Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Admin: Food and Staying on topic
Just a reminder that food is only on topic in direct
relationship to Forever Knight. If you can't relate
it, then you need to take the conversation to private
Wearing her listowner hat/crash helmet :)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:27:26 -0600
Subject: Need Some Info
I need information on how sound, of any kind, affects the body. Can
sound of a certain pitch (high or low) incapacitate, injure or kill
someone, or more specifically, Nick? It's for a story I've been working
on for over 2 years!
Please respond off-list. Thanks!
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