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FORKNI-L Digest - 18 Feb 2001 to 19 Feb 2001 - Special issue (#2001-57)

Mon, 19 Feb 2001

There are 28 messages totalling 1004 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Medieval Teeny-Bopper Nick (6)
  2. Raffle #31 - Signed Fanzine and Cookbook!
  3. Language acquisition skills and FK vamps (2)
  4. Kickstart the Knight idea (11)
  5. FK Vamp FAQ question.... (2)
  6. FK Font by Immajer (2)
  7. FK Font by Immajer]
  8. [FK Font by Immajer]
  9. Fw: Admin:  FORKNI-L Rules
 10. Kickstart the Knight idea  Here's our slogan /script?

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:39:25 -0800
From:    Klytaimnestra <lbowman@c.......>
Subject: Medieval Teeny-Bopper Nick

Very likely Nick's marriage was going to be arranged, either by his family
or, if his father died before he got around to it, he himself would arrange
an alliance with the daughter of another suitable family, for financial &
political reasons.  But that doesn't tell us anything about how he spent his
teenage years; down in the village seducing all the unmarriageable (because
the wrong class) young peasant women, would be my guess ... back then whom
you were eventually going to marry didn't need to have anything to do with
whom you slept with in the meantime, especially for a relatively well-off
young nobleman, and a good looking one at that!  His culture would feel that
he had behaved honourably if he supported his bastards, and arranged to
marry off his mistresses to suitable men of their own class, with a decent
(for a peasant) dowry...

K

--
Klytaimnestra             lbowman@c.......
Fanfiction at http://members.home.net/lbowman

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:00:59 -0500
From:    "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Raffle #31 - Signed Fanzine and Cookbook!

http://www.geocities.com/susanmgarrett/raffle.htm

Forever Knight Geographically-Challenged Raffle

Congratulations to the Winner of Raffle #30
Larissa Field of Oshawa, Ontario, Canada

CURRENT RAFFLE # 31

Begins: February 18th, 2001
Ends: March 16th, 2001
Item: "Across the Boundaries" fanzine signed by Nigel Bennett and
"Schanke's Culinary Delights" (Charity Cookbook)

This time we have two prizes that will go to one person. The first fanzine
- "Across the Boundaries" - was donated by Lynn Stapleton and signed by
Nigel Bennett March 7, 1999, in Halifax at the Third Annual Maritime
Science Fiction Festival. The second fanzine was donated by Kathryn Kuehn
on behalf of the FODs - it's "Schanke's Culinary Delights," which includes
arresting recipes from the FODs (including John Kapelos), and enough
culinary quotes from "Forever Knight" to satisfy the hungriest fan's appetite.

Due to the unique nature of these items
         EVERYONE
is eligible to enter this raffle.

Please note that ALL raffle items are accompanied by a certificate of
authenticity which tells you where the item came from, who signed it, who
witnessed the signature, and when and where the item was signed. All
signatures are original and genuine.

There is no purchase of a raffle ticket or any monetary donation required.
We do, however, ask that you write ONE letter to one of the many addresses
we have listed below, to support a Forever Knight television movie, release
of more Forever Knight soundtrack cassette tapes and CDs, and licensing and
production of more Forever Knight video tapes, novels and other tie-in books.

The letter you wrote last week, last month, or even yesterday does NOT
count. PLEASE honor the spirit in which these raffles are held - write your
qualifying letter and drop an email note to Rae Plachecki
(Javiette@a.......), telling her who you wrote to and when, and what
affiliation you are, if any. The future of these raffles is in your hands.

Use the raffle website entry form to enter
http://members.aol.com/fkraffle/fkraffle.htm
or

send an e-mail to fkraffle@a....... and include

    1.Your real name
    2.Your snail address
    3.Your e-mail address

ONLY ONE ENTRY PER PERSON!

In addition to writing a letter, if you haven't done so already, please
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petition to have FK released on professional tapes and or DVD!

At 11:59 PM, on Friday, March 16th, all e-mail entries will be dumped into
a bag, shuffled, and one name will be drawn. The winner will be notified on
Saturday, March 17th and will be asked if their name and city/state may be
posted. The prize will be mailed priority rate within 2 -3 days.

After the winners have been drawn, the contest entries are destroyed. None
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GIVEN TO ANYONE. EVER.

This raffle will be advertised on the ForKni-L list, the Forever Knight
newsgroup, the AOL Forever Knight Board, and the SciFi Channel Dominion
Forever Knight bulletin board.

By the way, the last raffle had 45 entires - that's 45 letters to TPTB and
a one out of 45 chance to win a signed item!

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http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2167/raffle.htm

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:46:31 -0500
From:    g4akl@c.......
Subject: Re: Medieval Teeny-Bopper Nick

Klytaimnestra wrote:
>Very likely Nick's marriage was going to be arranged, <snip> back then whom
>you were eventually going to marry didn't need to have anything to do with
>whom you slept with in the meantime, <snip>  His culture would feel that
>he had behaved honourably if he supported his bastards, and arranged to
>marry off his mistresses to suitable men <snip> with a <snip> dowry

I suppose (not being that historically knowledgeable myself) that's
true enough but it appeared to me in the QoH flashbacks that Nick
was rather religious (a devout Medieval Catholic). While being honourable
to his culture's mores might have allowed liasons before and during
marriage to women of lower classes (peasants), STRICT adherance to
biblical principles (both then and now) would not have allowed such
behavior.  And he seemed to be very attracted to the Harp player (falling
in love with her) but we do NOT see any indications that he behaved
'improperly' (as defined by strict scriptural adherance) towards her.
So I don't think that we have any basis to assume that as a teenager
he was sleeping around (despite being good-looking and of nobility).

Later after he was falsely accused of murder, shipped off to the
crusades, severly wounded there, and probably both suffering from
"post traumatic stress disorder" and made cynical by the whole mess
his behavior had obviously changed. At that point in time, Jeanette
was able to seduce him, Lacroix arrived on the scene, and Nick made
his "bad beer decision".  Those events might well not have happened
if the younger (and more religious) Nick had been the one encountered
by Jeanette and Lacroix.

In a way, I think it's lucky for us that it did NOT happen that way,
the younger version of Nick, if bitten by Lacroix would probably, imo,
have chosen to go into the light instead of becoming a vamp. Of course
it might not have even come to that, because either he would have behaved
'properly' towards the lady, Jeanette, and not fallen into her bed, or
maybe he wouldn't have even met her and Lacroix because he would have
been at home (and married) back in Brabant. And any of those three
options would have left us without the FK series. <g>

Arletta

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:43:42 -0500
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Language acquisition skills and FK vamps

We've seen several of the vamp characters speak what to them are foreign
languages (e.g. Chinese), or greatly-evolved languages (e.g. modern...
anything), with seeming fluency. Putting aside such anachronisms as the
vamps speaking modern French in 1228, have we noticed any accents or
archaicisms in their "foreign" speech that would mark them as non-natives?
If so, what have we seen, and where?


Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
         UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/
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Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:09:36 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Language acquisition skills and FK vamps

In a message dated 2/18/01 6:44:30 PM Central Standard Time,
webwarren@e....... writes:

> If so, what have we seen, and where?
Uhr....

Screed?

hehehehe <wRPg>

Libs

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:00:10 EST
From:    LDukie913@a.......
Subject: Kickstart the Knight idea

Hi Everybody,
I was wandering around the SciFi channel web site tonight and
saw that they have a section on buying advertising time on the
SciFi channel.  This got me thinking.  We have been placing ads
in various magazines hoping that TPTB will see them.  What if
we bought a 15 second spot on the SciFi channel itself?  They would
HAVE to notice that.  We would also get "creativity points" because
it would be a tactic that no other fan group has ever done before.  I realize
that this would be horribly expensive but if each of the fans on this list
alone donated a bit plus all the money that is raised in the KTK auctions
maybe this is doable.

"Many of the Truths we cling to depend greatly upon
your point of view"- ObiWanKenobi
Lori



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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:07:02 EST
From:    Tammie Foley <X7xAngelx7x@a.......>
Subject: Re: Medieval Teeny-Bopper Nick

I want to sincearly apologize if i offended anyone. It wasn't my purpose.
What I wrote were personal feelings that I have and I ment them to pretty
much mean "Nick screwed up, he's gotta live with it."
His desicion involved eternity, he should have been prepared to pay for it
for eternity...but then again can any of us really grasp what its like to
live for even a hundred years let alone 1000?


Sincearly,
Tammie


P.S.
I haven't changed my mind about what i believe, but I want you all to know
that I'm not judging anyone. What you believe in is fine, and despite what
you think, I respect it and all the list members. Again, I'm sorry for the
offense

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:25:03 -0500
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: FK Vamp FAQ question....

I now this has probably been asked before, but I just cant remember
specifically for FK universe, and need to know for a fic.....

Mirrors.  FK vampires DID have a reflection, yes? Or was this ever brought
up?

--
Cecilia
Lady Ariadne--webmistress
http://www.wildbadgers.net
ICQ# 10820105
--

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:27:43 -0700
From:    KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: FK Font by Immajer

Does anybody have more info on just what kinds of programs might crash when
using the FK font?
I'm talking about the one located here:
http://www.fkfanfic.com/fkmisc/fkfont/

As much as she's anxious to get this font, Kyer the Paranoid Knightie
doesn't want her one and only baby---the glo light of her life, the Aptiva
Pentium II  Windows 95 gateway to the sacred Nick Fic to crash and burn like
a vampire flying out to late!  (Or like Nick trying to keep alive the
Neck-O'-the-Week)

Please answer off list!

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
What?!
Cork duty?
Okay, milord.... (now, where did Portia go? <eg>)

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:44:40 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

In a message dated 2/18/01 9:02:36 PM Central Standard Time,
LDukie913@a....... writes:

> I realize
>  that this would be horribly expensive but if each of the fans on this list
>  alone donated a bit plus all the money that is raised in the KTK auctions
>  maybe this is doable.
I think this is a good idea, however, we'd have to have a PROFESSIONALLY
produced commercial.  Unlike print advertisements, this isn't something that
can easily be done on a home computer.  I see commercials that are obvoiusly
less than professional quality and all they do is turn me off the product.
There's a satellite tv commercial running locally to me that I just want to
call them and tell them how bad the commercial is! LOL!<g>

Of course someone might have access to the producers, director, equipment,
etc., and be willing to donate all time.

My point is that it isn't just buying the time, it is paying the thousands if
not tens of thousands it'd take to make a GOOD commercial.

--Libs

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:46:19 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: FK Font by Immajer]

I've had that font installed for over a year and never had any problems.  I
have Windows 98 and tried it with Word, PowerPoint, and my paint program Paint
Shop Pro and Photoshop 5.0.

Emily

KYER <KYER@p.......> wrote:
Does anybody have more info on just what kinds of programs might crash when
using the FK font?

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:49:36 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [FK Font by Immajer]

I'm adding a web page design program to that list, Hot MetalPro.
I think because it is True Type, you shouldn't have any problems.

Emily

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:58:42 -0500
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

Not true. Many computers now have the same abilites as PRO equipment. It
would just take longer. I have seen "fan videos" that are as good if not
better then Professionally produced ones. All done on home computers with
the right boards.

--
Cecilia
Lady Ariadne--webmistress
http://www.wildbadgers.net
ICQ# 10820105
--


My point is that it isn't just buying the time, it is paying the thousands
if not tens of thousands it'd take to make a GOOD commercial.

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:14:24 -0800
From:    Sunny <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK Vamp FAQ question....

In Father Figure Nick tells Nat he sometimes casts
reflections. But we see his image in mirrors in all
the subsequent episodes, so I'd say they do.

And if you thinkabout it, it would make total sense.
How could Nick possibly work among mortals if he had
to constantly avoid mirrors that gave his true nature
away?

Hope I helped

Sunny La Countess--Knightie, IB, DT, <UF> and oh yes
Enforcement <g>

=====
"It takes a minute to have a crush on someone,
an hour to like someone
and a day to love someone-
but it takes a lifetime to forget someone."

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:36:30 -0800
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK Font by Immajer

<<KYER <KYER@p.......> wrote:
> Does anybody have more info on just what kinds of programs might crash
> when using the FK font?>>

Kyer,

I've used the FK Font w/ windows 95 and 98, and Office 97 and 2000.
with no problems.

Desiree

=====
Desiree

UFfer, UA, UT, NNpacker

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:45:27 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Fw: Admin:  FORKNI-L Rules

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:52:21 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

In a message dated 2/18/01 9:59:25 PM Central Standard Time,
celong@m....... writes:

>  I have seen "fan videos" that are as good if not
>  better then Professionally produced ones.

I haven't except in a few cases where some of my friends have really spiffed
up computers with high, near professional if not professional quality
animation capabilities  - but then I also haven't actually looked for any. I
guess that some very poorly done local commercials are just really getting on
my last nerve <shudder><g> I also was thinking more of a live action
commercial, but the more I thought about it after I sent that last message,
the more I think it could be done animation wise. However, it'd be up to KtK
and any fundraising capabilities. I'm not that familiar with tv rates, though
I'd suspect it be hundreds of thousands of dollars (again, I'm guessing, it
could be in the tens of thousands).

Meanwhile, I'd just love to see what LaCroix would say about a certain tv
satellite commercial running locally. It is a father son operation and
obviously shot with a less-than-top-quality home video camera. EEK! Something
tells me he would NOT be amused by it. I wonder if he'd like a snack....

Libs

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:21:06 -0800
From:    Lady Ariake <lady_ariake@y.......>
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/18/01 9:02:36 PM Central
> Standard Time,
> LDukie913@a....... writes:
>
> > I realize
> >  that this would be horribly expensive but if each of the fans on this list
> >  alone donated a bit plus all the money that is raised in the KTK auctions
> >  maybe this is doable.
> I think this is a good idea, however, we'd have to have a PROFESSIONALLY
> produced commercial.

I do have a friend who's done video editing
professionally.  She's made a few videos for a Star
Wars list I belong to.  She and her husband, being
professionals, would almost certainly have to be paid,
but if they had the time they might be willing to
help, and they do have the necessary equipment.  And,
like they say, never hurts to ask.

Jennifer (Ariake)

=====
"Vampirism--it does a body good!" Tom Servo, reviewing "The Wild World of Bat
Woman"

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Date:    Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:36:52 EST
From:    Etienne Navarre <Baddwolff@a.......>
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

In a message dated 2/19/01 12:21:42 AM, lady_ariake@y....... writes:

<< but if they had the time they might be willing to
help, and they do have the necessary equipment.  And,
like they say, never hurts to ask. >>

Wouldn't permission be needed from the copyright holders (Sony?) before
moving ahead with a broadcast commercial no matter what format was used?

Etienne

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Date:    Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:18:31 EST
From:    Julia Kocich <JKocich@a.......>
Subject: Re: Medieval Teeny-Bopper Nick

Without reference to the D-word, there is something related
to FK in this discussion that I often see overlooked, especially
in fanfic.

Nick is a human being from a society in which honor, promises,
family (and "family" <g>), were considered to be of more
importance than individual feelings, individual fulfillment, or
individual "empowerment."

Part of the beauty of the story structure of the series is that there
is that sense of some connection that is more than merely personal,
and certainly more than transitory, between Nick and LC. No, it
isn't a "fair" relationship in today's terms: it's clearly hierarchical.
But LC, Nick, and Janette are three individuals who can change with
the times while retaining a family relationship that is very "out-of-date"
but which does allow for extended "time-outs" for their continued
mental health <eg>.

I am often taken aback by fans who rail at LC's behavior, seeing it
in purely contemporary terms. I ain't saying the old ways were better:
I'm saying that our current Western attitudes are, historically, very
new and very different from the way in which much of the rest of the
world thinks and behaves, and the way in which almost all societies
of the past have addressed the relationship between the individual and
society, and of the individual and his or her family or clan.

And it seems to me that Nick's existence as a vampire, both when
he accepts it and when he tries to escape it, is still framed within
that older worldview, and not in current ideas.

Regards,
Julia
jkocich@a.......
UF list cobra

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Date:    Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:32:05 EST
From:    Tammie Foley <X7xAngelx7x@a.......>
Subject: Re: Medieval Teeny-Bopper Nick

That brings up another point..we have to relize that most of the time, he has
the same mind set as when he was raised when it comes to values and such.
Back then religion was pretty much law. When you did something wrong you
repended and regretted it pretty much all your life for being weak and being
tempted by the devil. When Nick gave away his soul I bet he had some serious
"morning after" regrets. We all know he's still trying to make up for it, so
maybe thats why.

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Date:    Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:15:53 -0800
From:    Cousin Tser <horridcow@h.......>
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

I'm not saying this is at my disposal and I'm not volunteering her, but my
friend is an animator, works at an animation studio and so on... and a lot
of what she does is on a PC.  She's turned out some pretty incredible little
fun bits for friends and I that were all done on her home comp or with some
of the equipment at the studio or a college.  She's done some pretty fancy
stuff that isn't necessarily live action, but rather through photos of
people or through various manipulations sort of like Exposure clips on SciFi
that turn out pretty darn cool with PC equipment.

What would the copyright laws and stuff be if we were asking for this sort
of stuff, though?  Beyond the spendiness how much lawliness would be
involved?

Cousin Tserisa and the Cousinly Critters
horridcow@h....... ** AIM: CousinTserisa
Cousin,  Ratpacker 8:>X  and  CaddyWhack
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CaddyWhacks: http://velvetdragon.com/caddy/

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Date:    Mon, 19 Feb 2001 03:24:38 EST
From:    KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

In a message dated 2/18/01 10:02:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
LDukie913@a....... writes:

<<   We have been placing ads
 in various magazines hoping that TPTB will see them.  What if
 we bought a 15 second spot on the SciFi channel itself?   >>

That sounds like a really unique idea.  See if the KtK people would go for
it.  I know I will help  with the raising of funds.  Donate a few shirts for
auction cash raising.
KnightWitch ;-]]]=

CaddyWhacker{first and foremost}, Die Hard, Ravenette with Enforcement
tendencies.
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http://hometown.aol.com/knghtwtch/index.html .....and.....
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Date:    Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:00:41 -0400
From:    Floyd Family <jflyer@b.......>
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
> Cousin Tser

> What would the copyright laws and stuff be if we were asking for this sort
> of stuff, though?  Beyond the spendiness how much lawliness would be
> involved?

I wouldn't even presume to play a lawyer on TV, but wouldn't it be a
different question if an ad was made using *only* fans?

Ex:  footage of fans being themselves at a con, snapping up tangentially
related to FK items like scarves, belts, trousers, beer cans, and props out
of sheer desperation while asking, 'Where are the Forever Knight tapes?'
'When will Forever Knight be on Sci Fi again?' and 'He doesn't look too old
to play his character?' and so on.

Of course just buying the airtime would still be a challenge.

Lap

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Date:    Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:03:52 -0600
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

I think this is a fantastic idea. I would be more than willing ot help with
the commercial as well. I have very high quality recordings of FK and can
make fairly professional looking movies. One person who was a graphics
worker thought I did well with my Music Videos. I can also put this on in
VCD format.
For the vocal points, I could flash picture frames with red words on black
or something, some what like the theme.

Any way I'd be willing to help...
Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."

----- Original Message -----
From: <Libratsie@a.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea


> In a message dated 2/18/01 9:02:36 PM Central Standard Time,
> LDukie913@a....... writes:
>
> > I realize
> >  that this would be horribly expensive but if each of the fans on this list
> >  alone donated a bit plus all the money that is raised in the KTK auctions
> >  maybe this is doable.
> I think this is a good idea, however, we'd have to have a PROFESSIONALLY
> produced commercial.  Unlike print advertisements, this isn't something that
> can easily be done on a home computer.  I see commercials that are obvoiusly
> less than professional quality and all they do is turn me off the product.
> There's a satellite tv commercial running locally to me that I just want to
> call them and tell them how bad the commercial is! LOL!<g>
>
> Of course someone might have access to the producers, director, equipment,
> etc., and be willing to donate all time.
>
> My point is that it isn't just buying the time, it is paying the thousands if
> not tens of thousands it'd take to make a GOOD commercial.
>
> --Libs

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Date:    Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:23:39 -0800
From:    Sunny <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea

<I think this is a fantastic idea. I would be more
than willing to help with the commercial as well. I
have very high quality recordings of FK and can
make fairly professional looking movies. One person
who was a graphics worker thought I did well with my
Music Videos. I can also put this on in VCD format.>

Kristin! Thank you for responding. I was wondering
whether I should tell the folks about you or not but I
figured if you haven't replied to this, perhaps you
don't want to. Anytime they talked about professional
video making on PC, images from your "thehunger" and
"nightcallsmyname" videos came to my mind. If there is
one person who can tackle this, it is you. And Iím
perfectly willing to help with the financial part.

Countess

BTW: Thank you for that beautiful Nick & Janette
video. It is a true eye candy for all Immortal
Beloveds

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Date:    Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:13:57 -0500
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Medieval Teeny-Bopper Nick

A couple of observations about "Nick's time:"

Nick's time as a mortal was the early 1200s, and it was very different from
the late 1200s, much less the 1300s. He was born at a time when Europe was
on the brink of dramatic development and change. Many ideas that were firmly
entrenched by the late medieval period had only begun to take root.

For example, Nick's marriage, had it ever taken place, would have consisted
of two steps: a legally binding contract between himself and his wife and
their families, followed (possibly after some considerable space of time) by
the official union and consummation. While they may have celebrated one or
both events with a Mass and a priest might have blessed them, it was not yet
the religious act that made the marriage legally valid.

It was in the 12th century that theologians and canonists (church lawyers)
decided marriage should be a sacrament, but it took time for the Church to
gain power over this aspect of civil life, and the absolute necessity of a
religious ceremony was not pronounced as law until the Council of Trent,
centuries after Nick's time as a mortal. (Another interesting feature of the
legal change was that it also changed the nature of a sexual act between a
betrothed couple. Before the Council of Trent, if a betrothed couple had sex
it simply completed their marriage in law.)

There's nothing *historically* off base in assuming that Nick and Gwyneth
did no more than kiss and cuddle.  In Nick's time, chastity was an admirable
virtue in unmarried men as well as women. Of course, real life fell short of
the ideal, but the ideal was there. This had practical applications as well
as spiritual ones, in a world where privacy as we know it didn't exist. In
fact, one historian theorizes that the complex courtly love rituals and
games really served to redirect the desires of young men living toward less
dangerous expressions of intimacy.

Mary

mcombs@e....... N&Npacker
http:\\www.erols.com\mcombs
"RL=Real Life. It's that stuff that keeps happening that gets in the way of
that other stuff."--Sue Clark

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Date:    Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:44:31 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Kickstart the Knight idea  Here's our slogan /script?

In a message dated 2/19/01 7:03:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jflyer@b....... writes:

<< Ex:  footage of fans being themselves at a con, snapping up tangentially
 related to FK items like scarves, belts, ..... of sheer desperation asking,
'Where are the Forever Knight tapes?'   'When will Forever Knight be on Sci
Fi again?'  >>

I think the sentiment is right here - show them we have spending power: but
as jflyer also points out, buying the commercial time ought to make that
point sufficiently.  Let's not send in anything that looks like a home movie
(or whining ;-) ! ).
We would want something sufficiently intriguing to get the attention of
people who've never seen FK - make them sit up and say "what the heck was
that?!" - maybe even ask SciFi , "what the heck was that and why aren't we
watching the show now?"
Once the commercial is made, we can recycle - should be a one time expense.

Voiceover:
"He was brought across in 1228, aired from 1992- 1996, staked in 1997.  Help
us resurrect our vampire for the 21st century.  Bring back Forever Knight!"
(show addresses, easy to remember web addy best)

Hey, we only get 15 secs, make it short, sweet, and sharp-toothed.  (my dates
are probably off but you get the idea...)
I'd better finish up my LaCroix doll and send it in as a donation to KtK
asap!


Casting T. F. Stone
Caddywhacked and just figured out how to use her sig thingey on aol!
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/

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