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FORKNI-L Digest - 5 Feb 2001 (#2001-43)

Mon, 5 Feb 2001

There are 8 messages totalling 283 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. LK & James Parriott (3)
  2. Child In Time
  3. [Right Time, Right Place]
  4. Last Knight
  5. AMPH Hoax
  6. [Re: [FORKNI-L] AMPH Hoax]


Date:    Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:22:34 -0500
From:    "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: Re: LK & James Parriott

Have not yet seen this drop.

Klytaimnestra <lbowman@c.......> said:

 >My problem with LK is that it is not true to the
characters, or to the show. The show was about hope
and struggle in the face of adversity; about 'how we
live in captivity', as Nick says; about keeping the

Oh, thank you!  This is exactly how I felt.  I had an advanced copy of the
Last Knight script and was traumatized  - essentially the message was 'boy were
you a fool for ever having believed that hope was ever an option and aren't
you a sucker for sitting around for 73 episodes.'  I couldn't believe that
anyone could so misread or misunderstand their own material so badly . . . and
that was giving JP the benefit of the doubt.

The tragedy is that I haven't justified Last Knight, but neither can I
simply say that it doesn't exist.

I didn't want a particularly happy ending.  I didn't want a particularly tragic
ending.  I just wanted one that was true to the characters and made sense.

LK didn't.


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Date:    Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:54:06 EST
From:    Phoenix348@a.......
Subject: Re: Child In Time

In a message dated 2/5/01 1:14:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
e_blanco1@y....... writes:

<< Once again I'm thinking about two Fk episodes that I
 can't remember the titles of, but the first dealt with
 Nick's flashback of taking in a teenage boy, till the
 boy discovered Nick's stable of bodice rippers, and
 the second is the ep where Nat slapped an attorney for
 getting a child killer off>>

I believe that the first episode that you are referring to is Fallen Idol,
and the second is Undue Process.  In Fallen Idol, the boy that Nick takes in
is Fleur's son, Andre.

<<The ep with the stable implied that either Nick or
 LaCroix had to kill the kid, since when Nat asked what
 happened to him, Nick doesn't give an answer,>>

I think that you may be confusing Fallen Idol with a first season episode
entitled "Father Figure."  That's the episode where Nick takes in the girl
who witnessed a murder, and has flashbacks to a time during WWII when Janette
takes in a boy named Daniel.  LaCroix later turns Daniel into a vampire, and
this is the episode where Nat asks Nick what ever happened to Daniel.  In
Fallen Idol, I believe that Andre just ran away and we're never told what
happened or even that Nick ever related the story to anyone.  I imagine that
Andre lived as neither Nick nor LaCroix would be likely to kill one of
Fleur's children.

I definitely agree that Undue Process was CD's best performance.  It's a very
gripping episode due to its ability to quickly stir up some strong emotions.
CD seemed to identify with the role very well.  Wasn't she pregnant herself
around that time?  Or was that third season?  I also liked CD very much in
Bad Blood and The Fix.

As for other performances, its so hard to judge which would be favorites for
me.  I think that I enjoyed Deb best in Human Factor, not sure why, but maybe
because she was able to portray so many stages or facets of Janett's
character and round them out so well in one episode.  I thought that John
Kapelos was especially good in The Code and Close Call.  As for Nigel and
Ger...that's a tough one.  Overall, there were so many good performances in
all of the episodes that's its very difficult to choose favorites.  Now that
I've given a few, I'm sure that I'll watch some episodes again and wish that
I had added others to the list.



Date:    Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:44 -0500
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: LK & James Parriott

I can.... It doesnt exist...

Boy am I in denial! ;-)

Lady Ariadne--webmistress
ICQ# 10820105

The tragedy is that I haven't justified Last Knight, but neither can I
simply say that it doesn't exist.


Date:    Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:15:43 -0500
From:    Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......>
Subject: Re: LK & James Parriott

susanmgarrett@....... wrote,

I had an advanced copy of the
Last Knight script and was traumatized  - essentially the message was 'boy
were you a fool for ever having believed that hope...

I cannot imagine what you went through Susan.  That is like knowing that a
bomb is about to explode and all you can do is wait and watch.  After I had
watched "Last Knight,"  I had very similar feelings of being cheated.  I am
including what I once wrote to the Scifi Forum at that time.  I think it
mirrors a lot of what the fans felt and continue to feel.


As I watched LaCroix prepare to grant his "closest friend" a real exit into
eternity, and also offer him directions as to which path to follow with his
parting comments of "Damn You Nicholas." I wondered why am I still so
mesmerized by these last few moments of the series. Do I think that by
watching, I will somehow magically be able to re-direct the ending? Or is it
like watching an accident on the side of the road, and not being able to
resist looking at the devastation? Whatever the reason I watch this episode
over and over, I still mourn for this series untimely and frustrating
ending. To LaCroix's final words of "Damn You Nicholas," I would like to

Damn you Nicholas for making us a part of your struggle for mortality.

Damn you Nicholas for leaving Natalie in the state of unrequited love.

Damn you Nicholas for making us care about the lives of your friends.

Damn you Nicholas for introducing us to all the fascinating creatures of the

Most of all Damn you Nicholas for making us believe in hope and then giving

Gwenn Musicante


Date:    Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:02:41 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Right Time, Right Place]

The way I understood that ep, it implied that she was a ghost because she
committed suicide and for no other reason.  In other words, if Nick didn't
commit suicide but died from some other cause, he still had a chance of going
off to the afterlife.


Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......> wrote:

Question: with all this talk of Nick and Nat being
together in a happy afterlife, how does that work with
the episode that had that vamp ladyfriend of Nick's
who committed suicide ...

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Date:    Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:02:02 -0800
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight

Vickiann Adams
<<Compare Last Knight and Curiouser & Curiouser. Both employ strange
camera angles, wonderful voice-overs by Lacroix and lots of guilt on
Nick's pov....>>

This sounds like it could be a wonderful fanfic.  And possibly the basis
for the first eps. of a new FK series (I hope, I hope!)!!


UFfer, UA, UT, NNpacker


Date:    Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:04:22 -0500
From:    Judy Cataldo <judycat@p.......>
Subject: Re: AMPH Hoax

> What confounded me about AMPH was the lack of duplication of the claims. It
> seems to me that it would take more than a very few people saying the world
> was ending before a majority began to *really* believe it.

Personally,  I'd only believe such dire news if there was documentation from
more than one source but human nature is a different story.  Remeber War of
the Worlds? The 1938 radio broadcast was only on CBS radio yet people
abandoned their homes running from the supposed Martian invasion.  And then
there are all those e-mail hoaxes everyone believes...
Who checks all e-mail hoaxes at http://www.dtfa.org/pages/conf.html first.


Date:    Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:18:07 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] AMPH Hoax]

What?  You mean we're not going to get our money from Microsoft/Disney
World/insert TPTB here?  Aw...

And here I thought I was going to get my free trip to Disney World!


I wonder what LC would have to say about e-mail hoaxes as the Nightcrawler?  I
can just imagine an entire monologue based on e-mail hoaxes - well, that and
people who believe foolish things, of course directed at Nick.


Judy Cataldo <judycat@p.......> wrote:

And then there are all those e-mail hoaxes everyone believes...


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