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FORKNI-L Digest - 23 Jan 2001 to 24 Jan 2001 (#2001-26)

Wed, 24 Jan 2001

There are 24 messages totalling 627 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. A Question for Torontonians (2)
  2. Authors (2)
  3. [NNPack] Trying to find a story
  4. Lucius in Gaul (4)
  5. Magic in FK cannon (5)
  6. difference between FK and Angel (etc.) (4)
  7. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Magic in FK cannon]
  8. FK alum, and  RE: difference between FK and Angel (etc.)
  9. Admin: ANother AOL6.0 problem  and GWD / Benny Hill
 10. I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I should do
     with it?
 11. I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I should do
     w... (2)

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Date:    Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:56:14 -0800
From:    Bonnie <callalily@l.......>
Subject: A Question for Torontonians

In "Human Factor," Tracy has to drive up to Oxbridge to talk to Patrick and his
aunt.  Can anyone tell me, if Oxbridge is a real location, how far and in what
direction it is from Toronto?  How long would it take to drive there from
downtown -- one way?  Thanks!

Bonnie
callalily@l.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:45:35 -0500
From:    Emily Lacey <laceye@a.......>
Subject: Authors

Just in case anyone else is as anal-retentive as I am, I have
separate folders for each author whose story or stories I've been
able to archive. I have 637 of them. I'm not even going to count how
many I have alphabetized by title...
--
Emily Lacey
laceye@a.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:52:23 -0500
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: [NNPack] Trying to find a story

Just a note about disappearing web sites.  IF ANYONE is having trouble keeping a
web site--ie site goes down, you are paying for the site and can't afford it,
etc  LET ME KNOW!  I will download it and put it somewhere!  I don't want stuff
disappearing like the ftp site did before.  Dees anyone know where the NNPack
fiction is?  The Mortal Love site is still there, but the Regular Fiction is
gone.  The Adult Fiction is still there, though.

I will save it if you are having problems!

--
Steph
stephke@i.......
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael

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Date:    Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:52:30 -0800
From:    Ith <ithildin@m.......>
Subject: Re: Lucius in Gaul

At 03:33 PM 01/23/2001 -0500, Laudon1965@a....... wrote:
>  Now I find,
>in reading a book about the history of the Celts, that there was
>an uprising in Gaul in 71 AD.  Unfortunately the book doesn't
>go into further detail, and my search on the Web hasn't turned
>up anything yet <snip>

I used this incident in a piece of fic a few years back. I found the
details in a book titled "The Druids", by Peter Berresford Ellis.

The short version is that a Gaul named Julius Sabinus led an uprising
against Rome. His side lost. He faked his suicide to escape capture and
spent many years in hiding. His wife, Eponina, kept him fed and clothed,
and then she went to Rome to try and win a pardon for him. It all ended
rather badly, with he and his wife being taken to Rome in chains and
executed around 78 AD.

The timing of the incident was absolutely perfect to fit into the FK
timeline and with LC's FB in AtA.

The book is very good, and I'd certainly recommend it to anyone interested
in Gaulish/Celtic culture and history. It's been very helpful in writing
LaCroix Roman FB material for a couple of stories.

And since I've been told that a little self promotion is quite alright
<waves to Laurie>, if you'd like to read the fic in question, it's "Oaths",
and it can be found here http://www.mbay.net/~ithildin/tales/
But I'd recommend Mr. Ellis's book over my fic any day <g>

  * Denise * ithildin@m.......  - http://www.mbay.net/~ithildin/ * Ith *
     *  Xover/vorteX http://www.xmission.com/~listninj/xover.htm/  *
* Celts in Space:The List! http://www.egroups.com/group/CeltsInSpace *
  "Yeah, but I want to see me live happily ever after even more." ~
Methos

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Date:    Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:44:29 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Magic in FK cannon

Just out of curiosity, has there ever been an ep in FK involving any sort of
magic, even just a mention of it?  Possibly in Nick's search for a cure?  I
don't seem to recall one, but then I haven't seen every all the episodes yet.

Emily

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Date:    Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:11:27 -0600
From:    Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Lucius in Gaul

At 05:52 PM 1/23/01 -0800, Ith wrote:

>.... a Gaul named Julius Sabinus led an uprising against Rome. ... It all
>ended rather badly, with he and his wife being taken to Rome in chains and
>executed around 78 AD.  The timing of the incident was absolutely perfect
>to fit into the FK timeline and with LC's FB in AtA.

I think this is so cool.  Thanks for telling us about this, guys.  It makes
you wonder if there's anything else the writers knew about that isn't
common knowledge.  Has anyone found anything to explain why there'd still
be a group of Pagans in Wales in the 13th century?

How about that Battle of Hastings thing?  Okay, okay, that's probably too
much.  I think that guy just had a really bad time with dates.  <g>

Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/

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Date:    Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:08:44 +1100
From:    Cebalo Jason <jason_andrew_cebalo@y........>
Subject: Re: difference between FK and Angel (etc.)

Hi all, my names Jason, (Hugh on line) long time
lurker, first time poster. This one kinda pricked up
my ears, and I felt I had to respond.

--- Klytaimnestra <lbowman@c.......> wrote:
I think the
> differences come down to a few key things:
> - moral conflict (FK) vs. personal conflict (Angel)

I'm not sure what you mean here. Certainly there's a
much clearer line between good and evil in the
Buffyverse than in F.K. but that certainly dosn't make
for a lack of moral conflict. Observe what happened
last season when Faith showed up.

> I can't deny that the fight scenes in Angel, or
> Buffy for that matter, are fun to watch;

I don't think the action scenes are what appeal to
most B&A fans. Certainly they're not a big talking
point on any of the B&A web sites or e-groups I'm part
of.

> But the stories, the characters, the questions they
> ask, are so two-dimensional.

I disagree, I've been party to plenty of quite
interesting discussions on questions such as to what
exstent is Angel the same person as Angelus. And I
think the evolution of Cordelia's character, for
example, has been quite interesting. Granted, she
extremely two dimensional to begin with, but that was
presented as satire, actually, that's one important
difference between B&A and F.K., B&A have a strong
element of comedy\ satire.

As I said before, the Buffyverse is much more
black\white than the F.K. universe. This for me is a
big appeal, it always bothered me that Nick, even
though he had personally renounced killing and was
working for redemption was perfectly happy to stay
friends with vampires who continued to kill mortals.

Well, that's my two cents.

Hugh Lincoln (Jason Cebalo)

Dark Knighty, Immortal Beloved, Ravennette, Knight of
the cross (And die-hard Buffy\ Angel 'shipper)

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Date:    Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:57:35 -0600
From:    Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: difference between FK and Angel (etc.)

At 10:08 PM 1/23/01 +1100, Cebalo Jason wrote:

>As I said before, the Buffyverse is much more black\white than the F.K.
>universe.

I think that's pretty much the reason FK had a difficult time of it.  It's
an extremely complex show, especially in its second season IMO.  That's a
huge part of why I like it so much, but it also made it doomed from the
get-go.  Even some of my perfectly intelligent friends can't comprehend
what's going on in Forever Knight.

I'm just glad we had three seasons of such a wonderful show.  I just wish
we could have had an ending to it that I could have been comfortable with.

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:14:03 -0500
From:    Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: A Question for Torontonians

Bonnie wrote:
>
> In "Human Factor," Tracy has to drive up to Oxbridge to talk to Patrick and
his aunt.  Can anyone tell me, if Oxbridge is a real location, how far and in
what direction it is from Toronto?  How long would it take to drive there from
downtown -- one way?  Thanks!

Actually the town is Uxbridge and it is a real town NE of Toronto on
Hwy 47, about an hour's drive out of the city.

--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight  <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/index.htm

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:29:32 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Lucius in Gaul

In a message dated 1/23/01 8:09:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
treeleaf@i....... writes:

<< Has anyone found anything to explain why there'd still  be a
group of Pagans in Wales in the 13th century?  How about that
Battle of Hastings thing?  Okay, okay, that's probably too much.
I think that guy just had a really bad time with dates.  <g> >>

I think both of those have to be consigned to the catagory of
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" <G>

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:04:13 EST
From:    KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: difference between FK and Angel (etc.)

In a message dated 1/23/01 11:55:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, treeleaf@i.......
writes:

<<
 I'm just glad we had three seasons of such a wonderful show.  I just wish
 we could have had an ending to it that I could have been comfortable with.
  >>
I know a lot of listmembers don't think that getting more of FK is
impossible, but I watched "Pretender" last night and thought FK might still
have some hope of getting a TV movie if we could just keep the faith and
write to TPTB.
I understand by the promo after the two hour "Pretender" movie that there are
more in the works.
Maybe we should redouble our efforts and have another writing day like we did
on July 10, 99.  TNT should also be a target for our letters since they
picked up the "Pretender" and produced movies.
KnightWitch ;-]]]=

CaddyWhacker, Die Hard, Ravenette with Enforcement tendencies.
A Unique line of Forever Knight apparel is now available at:
http://hometown.aol.com/knghtwtch/index.html .....and.....
http://home.clear.net.nz/knightraven/pages.html

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:28:10 -0500
From:    Gladys Bears <rockiebears@n.......>
Subject: Re: Magic in FK cannon

>Just out of curiosity, has there ever been an ep in FK involving any >sort of
>magic, even just a mention of it?

What about the connenction between the harp and the early death of all the de la
Barres in The Queen of Harps?

Gladys

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:30:56 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Magic in FK cannon]

That would be one of the eps I haven't seen.

Emily

Gladys Bears <rockiebears@n.......> wrote:

> What about the connenction between the harp and the early death of all the
de la Barres in The Queen of Harps?
>

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:05:25 -0600
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Magic in FK cannon

No there hasn't been any fairy tale like magic, in FK. There's been an
Indian with a powers to heal, a few ghosts from Nick's past, but that's it.

Kristin
http://knightvision.4ever.cc
"When you only have eyes for the Knight..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Emily" <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: Magic in FK cannon

> Just out of curiosity, has there ever been an ep in FK involving any sort of
> magic, even just a mention of it?  Possibly in Nick's search for a cure? I
> don't seem to recall one, but then I haven't seen every all the episodes yet.
>
> Emily

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:32:50 -0400
From:    "T. Floyd" <jflyer@b.......>
Subject: FK alum, and  RE: difference between FK and Angel (etc.)

> From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
KnghtWtch@a.......

> I know a lot of listmembers don't think that getting more of FK is
> impossible, but I watched "Pretender" last night and thought FK
> might still have some hope of getting a TV movie if we could just
> keep the faith and write to TPTB.

North of 60 fans did it http://www.wintertime.com/OH/nof60.html  (tons of FK
content).  There were *six* seasons of the show, which is still shown every
weekday on CBC (Trio TV in the US), and the *third* follow-up movie is in
final stages of production and will air in 2001.  North of 60 even had a
'caring evil' patriarch who was murdered by his son and came back!

People in common with Forever Knight include: Blu Mankuma (guest star--did
anyone catch him in Outer Limits recently?), Tracey Cook (main character),
Robert Bockstael (main character), Julie Stewart (main character), and
Geraint Wyn Davies (Director-one episode)

Lap
http://Laplor.tripod.com

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:30:40 -0500
From:    Emma <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: Magic in FK cannon

Emily asked:

>Just out of curiosity, has there ever been an ep in FK involving any sort of
>magic, even just a mention of it?  Possibly in Nick's search for a cure?  I
>don't seem to recall one, but then I haven't seen every all the episodes yet.

Well, depending on what you count as magic, how about the jade cups
from the pilot? One might also be able to make an argument for the
possession and exorcism in "Sons of Belial."

Note: These aren't meant as an attack on any religious beliefs.
--
elighton@b.......
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head mouse clicker
Survivor of Wars 9+10
"Christianity is brought to you in part by Chevrolet"-A&E
https://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:31:00 -0500
From:    Emma <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: difference between FK and Angel (etc.)

KnightWitch wrote:

>I know a lot of listmembers don't think that getting more of FK is
>impossible, but I watched "Pretender" last night and thought FK might still
>have some hope of getting a TV movie if we could just keep the faith and
>write to TPTB.

Unfortunatly, it can make a big difference for FK if any of the
actors have aged noticably. I can't speak for everyone, but that's
the main reason I believe that at this point we aren't likely to get
a TV movie. :(

Also, as a fan of Babylon 5, I know that TNT TV movies can be a bit
of a mixed blessing. (1 good, 2 so-so, 1 terrible. YMMV)
--
elighton@b.......
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head mouse clicker
Survivor of Wars 9+10
"Christianity is brought to you in part by Chevrolet"-A&E
https://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:52:47 -0800
From:    Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Re: Magic in FK cannon

Just as a point of interest, the harp in Queen of
Harps was supposed to be definitely magical.  The
writer, Gillian Horvath, intended for the harp
actually to cry out in the scene where the modern de
la Barre grabs it. This was not done in the final cut.

She wanted it known at the time that de la Barre's
fatal encounter with the truck, wasn't her idea. :)

McLisa
listowner, Forkni-l
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:06:31 -0800
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: Lucius in Gaul

Hi Everyone:

Thanks for starting this thread and for lending
some support to my theories about LC's career as
a Roman general.  (Those folks who have read my
stories over on the FKFIC-L and Ravenawards lists
have seen my use of this idea and I will be
pursuing it further still in the stories to
come....)

Note: For those of you who want to see this theme
in action, you might want to read "Trouble in
Toronto", "Climax" and "Children of Darkness" on
my story site.
(http://Dante_6.tripod.com/stories/dubois.html)

Thanks for listening.

David

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:30:44 EST
From:    Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: Re: Authors

I must have the same gene.  I have folders in files with stories that I liked.
i haven't counted them.  Being a librarian you would think that they are
alphabetized, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.  JudyL

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:08:53 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Admin: ANother AOL6.0 problem  and GWD / Benny Hill

In a message dated 1/22/01 12:22:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cecily1349@y....... writes:

<< ve just been told that apparently AOL now insists on
 including the whole previous message when you reply. I
 don't know if this can be turned off.>>
  Thank goodness I didn't update!!!
Folks, in order to save ostrain on the system, you may have to type the
pertinent parts of the quote in yourself.  I have frequently edited down the
quote in order to save lines, or typed in a paraphrase myself
ie Re: so&sos comment that GWD looks a lot like Benny Hill.  Might they have
been *switched at birth*??  Seriously.  I watched a special on Benny Hill the
other night and when Hill was younger (and thinner) he was a dead ringer for
GWD.  If they make a movie version of Hill's life, GWD ought to get the part
(he'd have to gain weight).  Do I smell Oscar??  Don't believe.  Check out
GWD on the blooper videro.  Man oh Man.
Casting T. F. Stone -- and it was a big on this time.  Caddywhacked and
stepping on the gas b4 she catches heck from the Knighties on this one.

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:12:14 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I should
         do with it?

All,
I wrote this reeeallllly long piece of fanfic - probably 80,000 words.  Does
anybody have any klew as to what I can do with it?  Any thought are
appreciated.
Casting T. F. Stone

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:19:40 EST
From:    Tammie Foley <X7xAngelx7x@a.......>
Subject: Re: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I
         should do w...

well if you want to post it you can break it up into chapers or attach it and
let us download it. :)

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Date:    Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:24:03 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I
         should do w...

In a message dated Wed, 24 Jan 2001  3:21:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tammie
Foley <X7xAngelx7x@a.......> writes:

<< well if you want to post it you can break it up into chapers or attach it and
let us download it. :)
 >>
No attachments can be sent through the PSU listservs - the server can't handle
it. However, I do like the idea of breaking it up. Or maybe post it to a webpage
somewhere?

Libs

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