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FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Sep 2000 to 25 Sep 2000 (#2000-298)

Mon, 25 Sep 2000

There are 26 messages totalling 915 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. When fandoms unite...  (I found an xover story in another archive)
  2. When fandoms unite...  (I found an xover story in another archive)
  3. FORKNI-L Digest - 23 Sep 2000 to 24 Sep 2000 (#2000-297)
  4. Vachon's change of residence - question??/ (2)
  5. Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay (3)
  6. IWR
  7. Nick and Crosses (5)
  8. kRaMeRS & hoBBits! (4)
  9. Whammying Natalie. (2)
 10. Ben Bass on SG1
 11. Mythical character
 12. Has Nick ever made a vampire that's survived?
 13. Nick questions
 14. Ben on SG-1
 15. I need a beta reader

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:55:57 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: When fandoms unite...  (I found an xover story in
         another archive)

Diane wrote:
> Heh, here I am rooting through the Lois and Clark fanfiction archive without
> a care in the world when BAM!  I see it.  There's a new FK/L&C Xover in the
> Lois and Clark archive called Forever Superman.
> http://lcfanfic.com/stories/2000/forevers.txt Anyway, I just thought some of
you might be interested.

Thank you!  Thank you! Thank you, Diane!
Kyer is always thrilled to receive more FK stories even if mediocre.  <sigh>
I hope Mel's problems get resolved soon.  Whenever she archived, I would see
one or two stories that I didn't remember seeing posted on fkfic-l.

Anyone else run across non FK sites that have FK fic?  I know there is
www.fanfiction.net, but the selection is mostly from fkfic writers anyway.

:)=
Kyer, the One Always Hungry for stories.   (okay...and for carob Nutcreem as
well)
kyer@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:02:51 -0700
From:    Ith <ithildin@m.......>
Subject: Re: When fandoms unite...  (I found an xover story in another archive)

At 02:55 PM 09/24/2000 -0700, Kyer wrote:
>Anyone else run across non FK sites that have FK fic?  I know there is
>www.fanfiction.net, but the selection is mostly from fkfic writers anyway.

You can try http://www.xmission.com/~listninj/vortex/

We have an FK section, both straight and xover.

Denise ~ Ith
ithildin@m.......
http://mbay.net/~ithildin
Celts In Space: The List!
http://www.egroups.com/group/CeltsInSpace

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:51:18 -0400
From:    Valerie Kessler <valerie@w.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 23 Sep 2000 to 24 Sep 2000 (#2000-297)

> Subject: Re: Ben on SG-1
> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:11:18 -0500
> From: Lisa Luksus <tokaara@m.......>

> cross-over?  Based on the flashbacks in AtA, Lacroix & Divia spent time in
> Egypt, right?  Maybe Divia got a goa'uld and was then vamped ... boggles
> the mind, it does.  The combination of goa'uld & vampiric regenerative

YeeeEEEEeeeeEEEeee, what a thought!  You are an evil, evil, EVIL woman!

And it needn't even be that complicated--we've seen unblended humans
healed in the sarcophagi a number of times.  Mind you, it does baaaaaaad
things to the personality....which in Divia's case, come to think of it,
could explain a lot.  *eg*

It would be interesting to contemplate how something designed to restore
the body to perfect human health would affect a vampire.  It would have
to be modified somehow, but it could work.  After all, they're obviously
programmed not to treat a Goa'uld symbiote as a medical problem, even
though it certainly doesn't normally belong in a human's nervous system!
 So it would make sense that you could also program one to regard other
foreign elements (e.g. vampire traits) as normal.  The only questions
you'd be left with would be how they got hold of it, who programmed it,
and why.  I don't think any of the System Lords known in series canon to
date are supposed to have been still on Earth by that time (except
Hathor in her box, and now apparently Isis and Osiris in their jars);
but there's an awful lot of just the Egyptian pantheon left to pillage,
not to mention plenty of others.

And hey, didn't the sarcophagus LC sealed Divia in have the "symbol of
the sun-god" on it?  And she said something about him being the enemy.
Maybe that enigmatic master of hers swiped it--and the secrets of using
it--from Ra!

Conversely, a sarcophagus could be *not* programmed to regard the
vampire traits as normal, but as an infection and/or genetic
damage...and therefore be a cure.  But there's still that pesky tendency
to turn people (up to and including Daniel, a/k/a
He-Who-Makes-Alan-Alda-Look-Insensitive) sociopathic if they use it too
much.  Which makes it something we really don't need certain
uninformed/curious/motivated folks in modern Toronto getting their hands
on...we thought Nick got scary on the lytovuterine!  ~meep~

(Okay, this is pathetic, I'm ~meep~ing on spec about something I have
ZERO intention of writing...also, I think I've officially reached the
point of "who am I calling evil?"...)

Plus there's always the potential entertainment factor of LC running
into someone (pick a System Lord, any System Lord) with even more
destructive power in the service of even more childish self-absorption
than he has!  As everyone keels over from the sheer amount of hot air in
the room...  ;-)

Now that I think about it, I have actually read one crossover involving
FK and SG-1, but it's a multi-fandom sillyfic.  It's a highly
entertaining one, however, perpetrated by the ever-insane and -brilliant
Dawn Steele:

http://rhiannon.dreamhost.com/angel/fanfic/justone.html

There's also nigh-irresistible sillyfic potential in the concept of
putting Nat and Sam in the same room and giving them something to
bouncily geek-bond over, leaving Nick and Schanke in the conversational
dust, thus inflicting severe deja vu about that alarmingly bubbly
neurologist chick in "Near Death" who looked *just like* this alarmingly
bubbly Samantha Carter person...  ;-)  (Amanda Tapping just possesses
WAY higher than legally acceptable levels of cute.)

> just rambling here.  Maybe I should try to do something with this.  (Yeah,
> I need another project to work on.  Sure.)

You do!  Of course you do!  *bounces excitedly, waves hand in
unmistakeable gesture of volunteering to betaread*  >:->

> Subject: Re: Vachon's change of residence - question??/
> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:18:40 EDT
> From: Meliss9900@a.......
>
> In a message dated 9/24/00 3:15:02 PM Central Daylight Time, sherryh@i.......
> writes:
>
> << Perhaps he did, at some point in his life, sleep in a coffin and decided
> to keep it around in the event that one day it might come in handy ... or
> maybe he keeps it for unexpected guests <g>.
>
>  :) Boomer >>
>
> Or maybe he just has a really weird sense of humor ;-)
>
> Melissa

This gets my vote too.  He did seem to have generally done the place in
Early  Stereotypical PretentiousGoth, in a way that made me think he was
exceedingly amused by the whole phenomenon.

--
Valerie Meachum Kessler
valerie@w....... ~ www.wiliqueen.com
"Somehow, I knew that facing my wrath wasn't going
to scare Logan. He had faced wrath before, and it
had faced him. And he had growled at it, and it had
run away squealing for mommy." -- Jubilation Lee

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:02:18 -0500
From:    Brenda <bcammarata@h.......>
Subject: Re: Vachon's change of residence - question??/

Melissa wrote:

>>Or maybe he just has a really weird sense of humor ;-)

This would be my guess. <G>

Carpe Noctem,

Brenda
UCCelebration 2000, Wolfville 2000

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:15:35 EDT
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay

<< Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay

 > 1.  Has Nick ever made a vampire that survived?  We're 0 for 2 so far.

 I'm sure he has. I just can't think of any at the moment.

 >2.  What do you think the major cause of Ritchie's downfall was?

 He was fin until he saw the man that shot him. He killed him, and then lost
control. Hearing on the radio how the bad guy they were trying to put away
was going to get off only added to the later rage.

 > 3.  What do you think will happen when Sarah's hypno-suggestion wears off?

 She'll think she's lost her mind.

 > (He's got a bad track record there, too.)

 Huh?  The only ones I remember him failing with were resisters (Nat) and
 those who came across imperical evidence after the whammy (Schanke).  And
 just who is keeping 'track' anyway. [Loyal Knightie bristle <g>]>>

I agree, he usually succeeds.

 > 4.  Why didn't Nick use up some of that sick time and properly take care of
 > his new charge?

 I don't  know. Maybe he was keeping an eye on Nat? Trying to catch the
killer before he had to bring Nat across too?

 > 5.  Do you think LaCroix knew about this?

 Oh, yeah.  Janette is his stoolie.

  >>

I agree. She squeals too much.

Judy
who is wickedly behind on email and tryiing to catch up

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:44:13 -0700
From:    Jody and Keith Aldred <barneybluebird@e.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay

<< Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay

 > 1.  Has Nick ever made a vampire that survived?  We're 0 for 2 so far.

Serena

 >2.  What do you think the major cause of Ritchie's downfall was?

I think he became intoxicated by the power of the vampire and saw himself as
some sort of avenging angel. So much so that he lost all semblence of who he
once was. He turned on Nick, tossed Natalie over the couch, and came after
his own wife. I believe he didn't really know how to control the power and
it consumed him.  It is essential to any vampire's survival to control the
power, as Janette mentioned in the Raven when Nick talked to her about
bringing someone over. I also think that Nick put too much faith in Ritchie
to be able to handle that power. Nick scoffed at Janette about the bond and
responsibility of making a new vampire.

 > 3.  What do you think will happen when Sarah's hypno-suggestion wears off?

 That's a debatable question. Will it wear off at all?

 > 4.  Why didn't Nick use up some of that sick time and properly take care of
 > his new charge?

Nick took Ritchie at his word that he wouldn't leave the loft.  He put too
much faith in Ritchie's ability to deal with his new instinct and desires:
maybe because he thought that Ritchie would not "lose it" because of what he
had waiting for him - his wife and child.

 > 5.  Do you think LaCroix knew about this?

 I'm sure Janette would tell LC because she thought what Nick was doing was
foolish and potentially dangerous.  I'm sure LC would not interfere as long
as Nick handled his responsibility.  Besides, LC always has always enjoyed
observing Nick's "crusades" for the underdog, so to speak.

Jody

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:55:18 EDT
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: IWR

In a message dated 9/1/00 5:03:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@l....... writes:

<< Regarding the degree of success that someone has in coming over, I rather
suspect it depends on the physiological character of both the sire and the
convert, their mental states at the time, perhaps other, more subtle
influences, like environmental factors, as well as just blind luck, though I
am not also dismissing an element of skill on the part of the sire.  I also
rather imagine that the transformation process is so complex and so profound,
that there is room for much to go wrong -- insanity or other mental
deficiencies seem probable, considering how complex and delicate the brain
can be.  Maybe that is one of the reasons the FKverse isn't overrun with
vampires, and maybe one of the reasons why LaCroix is so proud of Nick and
Janette?

  >>

I have to agree with much of this.

Remember, LC purposely left out lessons in Nick's education. He admitted that
he never taught Nick how to bring someone over. He doesn't want to share Nick
with anyone.

I think that Nick did the best he could. I think that when someone is brought
across they can be tempted by their immortality. They might want to do stuff
that they would never consider doing for various reasons.But they might not
do it. I think that vampirism can bring out the best and worst in a person.
Which side they live by is up to them, and their  master.

I think that there are certain things a vampire has to know, but other than
that, what they learn is largely due to their master's teachings. I'm sure
they can and do pick up stuff from other vampires.

I think that Janette did teach Nick some stuff their master didn't teach him.
I think even she wasn't taught everything, but as a woman she might've been
taught more because LC didn't see her as a threat, like he sometimes does
with Nick.

Judy

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:05:56 GMT
From:    Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......>
Subject: Nick and Crosses

Is Nick only affected by crosses or religious symbols that he sees?  He
doesn't seem to have a problem with crosses unless they are directly before
him or are placed in his field of vision.  In other words, Nick for example,
walks right into the Museum in "Dark Knight-I" and up the stairs, and only
stops when he sees the suit of armour holding the cross.  He seems to have
no problem in being near it until he sees it.  Also in the episode called
"Bad Blood," he has no problem driving with the rookie detective in the back
seat wearing the cross that Liam gave to her.  It is only when she shows it
to him that he almost steers the Caddy in the path of oncoming traffic.  He
obviously was able to carry around Joan of Arc's cross for a few centuries
with no trouble.  The only problem seemed to be when he opened the case to
look at it or touch it.  I know there must be dozens of more examples of
Nick with crosses, but does the problem only exist for him when he knows the
cross is there?  Can he just close his eyes and not be affected?

                                                      Gwenn

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:43:23 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vachon's change of residence - question??/

Boomer wrote:
<snip>Perhaps he did, at some point in his life, sleep in a coffin and decided
to keep it around in the event that one day it might come in handy ... or maybe
he keeps it for unexpected guests <g>.<snip>

It's a vampire sofa bed! <g>

And another strange detail - I saw a few months ago that one episode had a
piano in the Church. It took me four years to catch that, and it wasn't even
tucked away.

<waves>

*************************************************************************
The Other Bonnie.......<br1035@i.......>.......Single and Fabulous!
"What, we're playing dirty Mad Libs now?" - next week on 'Sex and the City'
   "I'll be your capitalist piglet princess!" - 'The Powderpuff Girls'
"Pop's making you pickled pig's feet and hard boiled eggs!" "Oh. O-kay."

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:47:32 CDT
From:    gregkramer fanklub <gkfanklub@h.......>
Subject: kRaMeRS & hoBBits!

Greg Kramer is scheduled to appear in THE HOBBIT on the main stage at the
Young Peoples Theatre in Toronto, opening October 21 and running through
December 21. He's playing GOLLUM, the evil guy. He's also CURRENTLY set to
play William the Troll, Thranduil, Elven King of Mirkwood, Dwalin the dwarf,
and Smaug. (Keep in mind, that list could change!!! One thing that is
certain about live theater, and that's nothing is certain about live
theater.)

Will there be a fan gathering for this??? Another Gregering? Another Mission
GK?? STAY TUNED. At this point there's NO PROMISES but ... maybe. We're
trying to work on it. If you need more info now for whatever reason, please
contact me OFF list though there's not much more to say. I'll announce any
nEwZ when I know something more certain. You may also want to join the greg
kramer fan klub at e-groups as I try to announce all nEwZ there first. It is
a FREE fan klub - just join the e-mailing list! Also feel free to contact me
OFF-list, and I'll let you know what is wot as thingees develope.

So, stay tuned, stay true, and stay ... purple! (Because at the gkfk, we
don't want anyone staying blue!)

--Libs
grEg KraMeR fAn kLUb ... sum'thin or udder
Libratsie@a.......
gkfanklub@h.......

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:53:23 -0700
From:    Night Angel <n9qqq@j.......>
Subject: Whammying Natalie.

Okay Folks,

Humor the overcaffeinated NightAngel please.  In what ep did Nick
actually try to whammy Nat?  Is it mentioned somewhere and I just don't
remember or is it just an assumption that he tried after he woke on her
autopsy table?  Or was it one of those Vital pieces of information that
is left out in the US versions of FK?  LaCroix was able to whammy her (or
did he drug her wine first?) and put her into a hypno state fairly
easily.   Is that what made Nick's suggestion stick after LaCroix left
Azure or am I right and Nat is not a Resister? If that's the case, Why
didn't the enforcers get involved after Nick didn't erase her memory of
his 'resurrection"?

Confusing myself fairly well as I return to hiding,
NightAngel

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:43:14 -0700
From:    Night Angel <n9qqq@j.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Crosses

< Gwenn Musicante snip>
> Is Nick only affected by crosses or religious symbols that he sees?
> but does the problem only exist for him when he  knows the  cross is
> there?  Can he just close his eyes and not be affected?

I think there is Some psychosomatic response in there - fearwise.  But if
he accidentally encountered a cross I think he'd still be burned.  IIRC,
in Blackwing, Nick touched that ritual knife not knowing that it was a
Holy relic and was affected.  So, my 2 cents (will give change if you
want), says that if he backed up into the cross or whatever it would
still burn him, which would make him back up turn around and then be
afraid..  Be very afraid. <G>

Returning into lurkdom and my over-caffeinated state,
NightAngel

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:56:26 -0700
From:    Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Subject: Re: kRaMeRS & hoBBits!

gregkramer fanklub wrote:
> Greg Kramer is scheduled to appear in THE HOBBIT on the main stage at
> the Young Peoples Theatre in Toronto, opening October 21...

And conveniently timed for LCA3!!!  Where exactly is this theater and
who do we contact for tickets?

--
Cloud

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:04:59 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: kRaMeRS & hoBBits!

In a message dated 9/24/00 9:57:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
clouddancer@h....... writes:

> And conveniently timed for LCA3!!!  Where exactly is this theater and
>  who do we contact for tickets?
I'm embarrassed to say that I don't have the theater's webpage addy
bookmarked, and can't find it <blush>As soon as I find it, I'll post it
unless some kind soul beats me to it.

Any "Mission GK" (fans going together to see it) will be AFTER LCA3, so if
anyone must miss LCA3, but is still wanting to go to Toronto, stay tuned! ;-)

--Libs

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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:48:58 -0400
From:    Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: kRaMeRS & hoBBits!

Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> I'm embarrassed to say that I don't have the theater's webpage addy
> bookmarked, and can't find it <blush>As soon as I find it, I'll post it
> unless some kind soul beats me to it.

It's at 165 Front St East in downtown Toronto. For more information,
try:

http://www.toronto.com/E/V/TORON/0011/70/49/

--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight  <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/index.htm

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:18:36 +0200
From:    Llarian <manulanger@t.......>
Subject: Re: Whammying Natalie.

NightAngel wrote:
>In what ep did Nick actually try to whammy Nat?

In Natalie's flashbacks in "Only The Lonely",  we're led to believe
he tried and failed to whammy her. It's the scene when Nick passes
Nat on the street, a few days after his "resurrection" on her table,
and she turns around and makes it clear that she has not forgotten
him. The actual whammy, however, is not shown.

Llarian
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home"
- Ken Olson, president, chairman, founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977
mailto:manulanger@t.......  http://www.llarian.de

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Date:    Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:14:03 -0400
From:    jmtof@j.......
Subject: Ben Bass on SG1

Subject: Ben on SG-1

Wheeeee!  First substantial role I've gotten to see our Mr. Bass in
since FK, and he done good!

And hey, he may not get to be the new System Lord in the game that they
were implying all the way through (and, okay, *really* obvious twist);
but the character *did* survive the experience, and is someone it could
be really useful and interesting to bring back at a later date.  So we
can hope for that.  Go, Ben!!

(In fact, we may really need him if they don't stop *doing* this stuff
to Daniel, and his brain breaks!  *shakes head*  C'mon, folks, Sha're is
barely cold in her grave.  Give the poor guy a break!!  ~meep~)
--
Valerie Meachum Kessler

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

YOu should have seen him in First Wave - a real treat!!!!!!

Jean
BBFC  Pres

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:37:44 GMT
From:    Lorelei Sieja <lorisieja@h.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Crosses

Nick's main problem with crosses is that he is afraid of them.  He tells
this to Nat in FIHS.  Something about them being the one true light and he
is a creature of the night.  He is trying to conquor that fear.  He does it
in small steps, looking at the cross, getting closer to it, touching it...
much like modern psychology might deal with any other psychosis.

However, I believe that Forever Knight vampires are more than just afraid of
religious things.  They actually suffer physical pain from the contact, and,
they react negatively to a religious item even if they don't know that it
is.  Nick burns his hand in the flashback with Joan of Arc, and he gets a
nasty jolt when he touches the ceremonial knife in Blackwing.

Some have suggested that this fear is "all in their heads".  However, Nick
was also afraid of the Jewish candlesticks in --was that Partners of the
Month?  And, LaCroix is afraid of the Crucifixs in Sons of Belial.  If the
great and mighty LaCroix can be brought low, then I believe the fear is
instinctive and cannot be totally erradicated.

Nick has been trying to "condition" himself to face religious symbols, and
so, he can walk past them.  But, when one "pops" out at him by surprise, he
still jumps.  I love mice - I've had them for pets, and even little wild
mice, although destructive, can be adorable.  However, when I opened a
closet door and one jumped off a coat hangar onto my shoulder and ran down
my leg, I screamed pretty loud.

LaCroix wasn't noticeably affected by the Crucifix in SOB until the priest
went to move it closer to Nick... then he jumped back.  And since the knife
in Blackwing burned Nick's hand, I'd say that no, vampires couldn't just
close their eyes and not be affected.

Lorelei

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:00:02 GMT
From:    Lorelei Sieja <lorisieja@h.......>
Subject: Re: Knight School - Ep109 - I Will Repay

  > 1.  Has Nick ever made a vampire that survived?  We're 0 for 2 so far.
-yes, Serene, in Baby, Baby.

I have read two thoughts... that the new convert's basic personality is
magnified by the conversion, and, that the conversion naturally brings about
a temporary insanity - necessary to change the infant from being a mortal
into being a killer of mortals.

Nick thought the doctor in the Plague episode was seeking only to help
patients, but he was actually looking for personal glory.  He wanted to be
the one to find the cure to the plague, or at least, to be famous for his
work.  WHen he became immortal, he didn't really "change" - his selfishness
intensifies.  The woman dying of Leprosy (?) wanted revenge on her
tormentors.  Nick probably didn't need to kill her.  After she killed them,
maybe she would have become a good little vampire?  I don't think LaCroix
would have killed Nick, if after coming across, he wanted to go back to the
Holy Land and kill a few more saracens... as long as he was discreet.

Also, Nick is not an emotionally balanced vampire.  His confusion must pass
on to his children through his blood.  I think that is why his vampire child
Serene also wants to find mortality again.

 >2.  What do you think the major cause of Ritchie's downfall was?

Infant vampires need close supervision.  Nick wasn't "mature" enough to be a
master.  Nick hadn't wanted to bring him across, and so he was very
distraught, and those powerful emotions pelted the new convert.

  > 3.  What do you think will happen when Sarah's hypno-suggestion wears off?

Why would it wear off?

  > 4.  Why didn't Nick use up some of that sick time and properly take care of
  > his new charge?

A grave error on his part, to be sure.  I think, that since Nick still
resents LaCroix's power and influence on him as too controlling a master,
Nick swings the pendulum too far in the other direction, as too liberal a
parent, to the point of not parenting at all.

  > 5.  Do you think LaCroix knew about this?

Sure.  He was probably enjoying a good laugh.


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Date:    Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:00:15 +0800
From:    Jaxsta <jaxsta@i.......>
Subject: Re: Mythical character

----- Original Message -----
From: "KYER" <KYER@p.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:39 AM
Subject: Mythical character

> Has anyone ever heard of a mythical warrior named Joran?
> I ran across a sword named after same, and since that is the tentative name
> I gave my fanfic vampire, I'd like to know more about this.  Maybe I can
> work it in!
>

Salem started to remove himself from the food providers lap as she opened
her mail.  "Bloody typical, he growled, stalking off into the kitchen in
search of a more sympatheltic audience.  "First day back on the bloody list
and she's already falling off the chair!"

I am pretty sure Joran is the name of a weekend newspaper comic character in
Western Australia.  It will have to wait untill next week unless I can find
some poor suc....nice person willing to part with theirs. Missed you guys!
Wooby

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:34:12 -0700
From:    rehatha <rehatha@p.......>
Subject: Has Nick ever made a vampire that's survived?

<1.  Has Nick ever made a vampire that survived?  We're 0 for 2 so far.>

Actually, Nick created Serena, a very independent Frech lady that he
mistakenly thought wanted "eternity with her baby" when what she wanted was
a baby and no father to interfere.

Oops.  She's slightly bitter now being a killer who can never have a baby.

Rehatha

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:40:25 -0700
From:    rehatha <rehatha@p.......>
Subject: Nick questions

<4.  Why didn't Nick use up some of that sick time and properly take care
 of his new charge?>

I know, I should have tagged this one on the end on the other one..

I think Nick didn't take the sick time because quite honestly he didn't
want Richie to survive his transormation.

Think about it.  By LaCroix own demonstration you don not leave a fledgling
alone.  Especailly one just brought across.  Also, Nick only brought Richie
back because Natalie hysterically guilted him into it.  Nick probably knew
that he could have his cake and eat it to by letting Richie go psychotic.
That way Natalie would beg him to kill her brother and Nick would have one
less Vampire in the world to crucify himself for.

Nick is too selfrighteous to allow himself to create a vampire now.  And
how better to not make a vampire?  By sabotaging the offspring so that it
is a requirement that it be destroyed.

Rehatha

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:26:59 GMT
From:    Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Crosses

From: Night Angel <n9qqq@j.......> wrote;

>if he backed up into the cross or whatever it would
>still burn him, which would make him back up turn around and then be
>afraid..

So, he is only harmed by crosses that he has some physical contact with,
either by sight or touch.  In other words, except for the "Blackwing"
example, he has to know it's there for the holy object to harm him.  So
theoretically, Nick could unknowingly be placed blindfolded into a church
filled with crosses and suffer no ill effects unless he touched something?

           Gwenn

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:22:16 -0400
From:    Diane Harris <diharris@v.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Crosses

> So, he is only harmed by crosses that he has some physical contact with,
> either by sight or touch.  So
> theoretically, Nick could unknowingly be placed blindfolded into a church
> filled with crosses and suffer no ill effects unless he touched something?

My guess would be that Nick can be burned by crosses and stuff without
knowledge of their presence, i.e., he can back into them and be harmed, but
in order for them to actually generate fear he has to be able to see them.
So yeah, I agree with your prognosis :)

Diane Harris (diharris@v.......)
Proud NNPacker, Knightie, FoDs,  CoTK, and glutton for any and all feedback.
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/diharris/Homepage.htm

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:16:07 -0400
From:    Mickey <wench@a.......>
Subject: Re: Ben on SG-1

At 06:11 PM 9/23/00 -0500, you wrote:

>God bless!  I sat there for the whole show, thinking, "Gee, that guy looks
>familiar" and never made the connection.  Guess I'd better pay more
>attention to the guest stars next time.  I'd love to see them bring the
>character back.

Since you didn't recognize him, then I'm guessing you haven't seen him on
Beggars and Choosers which airs on Showtime. He's terrific and has a
wonderful comedic timing. His cohort in gossip on B&C has a recurring role
on SG-1 too. If you get a chance, check them out on Showtime, the show is
terrific as are they.

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Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:15:16 -0400
From:    Diane Harris <diharris@v.......>
Subject: I need a beta reader

All right.  My regular beta-reader and I have pretty much red-penned my
latest story to death, but with all of those changes, brand new typos and
things are bound to show up.  Would anyone be interested in doing a quick
read over of my story?  I'm basically only interested in finding all the
missed typos and glaring grammatical errors that have been missed and left
astray in the nuclear red-ink war; I think the plot is pretty ironed out at
this point and doesn't need to be touched although any comments would be
welcome :)

It's a Nick-centric flashback story, about 90kb in length.

Let me know!  Thanks!

Diane Harris (diharris@v.......)
Proud NNPacker, Knightie, FoDs,  CoTK, and glutton for any and all feedback.
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/diharris/Homepage.htm

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