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FORKNI-L Digest - 19 Aug 2000 to 20 Aug 2000 (#2000-261)

Sun, 20 Aug 2000

There are 21 messages totalling 542 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. [Re: Blitzing for the Knight: August] (2)
  2. While we're penning down fans...
  3. FK and chatting (4)
  4. On Holy Ground out of print
  5. BSG vs FK (was clarification)
  6. Blitzing for the Knight: August (2)
  7. On TPTB thread... (2)
  8. Subject: Re: On Holy Ground out of print (3)
  9. [Re: On Holy Ground out of print]
 10. <No subject given>
 11. Please don't write to Sony
 12. "TPTB"
 13. On Holy Ground Out Of Print

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:01:51 CDT
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: Blitzing for the Knight: August]

I think the main reason UPN was suggested was because it isn't a cable station
and it carried other sci fi shows.  However, according to our local paper, UPN
is having financial problems and they may get bought out by a larger station
anyway.

I think if we could get Forever Knight on CBS or TNT, that  would be great.
Even my cable provider from a few years back that didn't have the sci fi
channel had TNT.

Emily

Lorelei Sieja <lorisieja@h.......> wrote:

I would put in a "no" vote for UPN...  It is not carried by enough cable and
dish providers.  TNT and CBS are widely available.

-snip-

E-mail and MSN Messenger:  emily.m.hanson@u.......
Visit my homepage at http://www.starbase-eprime.com
ICQ#: 73113057

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:52:33 -0700
From:    Lady hawke <darkknightie@y.......>
Subject: Re: While we're penning down fans...

I'm from [xxxxxxxxxx], Tx.


Maria

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:27:13 EDT
From:    SField8067@a.......
Subject: Re: [Re: Blitzing for the Knight: August]

 UPN was just an idea, since alot of fans e-mailed about trying them. yes,
they are having financial problems, but according to the papers,TPTB do
expect the network to continue.so lets for the moment, keep them on the back
burner of places to try. I still think that TNT was the best network to add
and perhaps continue with for awhile, and I am really glad that alot of you
think that also :) so, besides the two we have been doing, SCi-fi and
Tristar, TNT will remain,and in September, add  we will add CBS to the blitz
list :).

HUGs to all
susan ellen field
SField8067@a.......
KtK

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:30:03 -0700
From:    Carlson <ustisaquui@e.......>
Subject: FK and chatting

With McLisa's permission, I'm writing to both remind people, and let the
newbies know, about the FK chats on Mirc.
If you have Mirc, #foreverknight is always ready for people to come on
in and chat with fellow FK lovers.  It's been way too quiet lately, and
when I checked in with the Mirc room last night, it had (besides the
moderator) only one other person in it.  I remember (way back when the
dinosaurs roamed the earth) when the room was full of people and
chatting was a blast.  It's terribly sad to see the room virtually (pun
intended) empty.
Now I know school is starting real soon, if it hasn't started in some
areas already.  But the best times for chatting are weekend eves anyway,
and can be a blast when several people are around.
If you do not have Mirc, go to www.mirc.com and download it.  It's a fun
and easy chat system to use, and I've tried several.  ICQ is another
easy one, but at this point I am unaware of any regular FK meetings in
it.
If anyone has any trouble with downloading and using Mirc, feel free to
write to me offlist and I'll do my best to help ya.  I'd really like to
meet a lot more people here, and this is a fun way to do it.

Tab (aka NytDreams in Mirc, and ask me offlist for my ICQ number if ya
want to talk there)

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:55:09 -0700
From:    Carlson <ustisaquui@e.......>
Subject: Re: FK and chatting

Me again,

Someone reminded me that I forgot to mention which server to use in
Mirc.  *my seive of a brain is sooooo good for things like that*  *G*  I
usually use efnet, as it has proved the most reliable, and I know a great
many people prefer it too.  I'm using the Mindspring efnet at the moment,
it hasn't let me down so far.
I'll be in the room tonight, for any and all that want babble along.

Vaqbrat and Troublesome T,
Tab

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:25:20 -0400
From:    "Cindy L. Clark" <ClarkCindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: On Holy Ground out of print

They might force us to close down our FK
websites with all the (pirated) images and sounds. I guess I just don't want
to poke a stick into the beehive, is all.

This is what the TPTB at the WB did to a lot of the BTVS sites as well.

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:40:35 -0400
From:    "Cindy L. Clark" <ClarkCindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: BSG vs FK (was clarification)

Mmmm...John Calicos, another *great* voice.  I think he'd have made a nifty
vampire.

Actually, he thought so too.  I had the opportunity to meet him a couple of
years ago at a convention when I was decked out in full vampire regalia.
Yes, cape, fangs, floor-length skirts, and pale make-up.  When I got his
autograph, he did a very campy Bela Lugosi imitation that made every one
laugh.

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:07:10 -0400
From:    "Cindy L. Clark" <ClarkCindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: Blitzing for the Knight: August

Why not include CBS since they were the first people to fund Forever Knight
on US television.
KnightWitch ;-]=

They may not want to be reminded of the mistake they made by letting FK go.
The same as NBC doesn't like to be reminded of the zillions of $$$ that Star
Trek has made since they let it go.

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:52:03 +0000
From:    Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Blitzing for the Knight: August

Well, they could fix that mistake by bringing it back to T.V. AND making a
new movie and/or episodes.

Kristin

> They may not want to be reminded of the mistake they made by letting FK go.
> The same as NBC doesn't like to be reminded of the zillions of $$$ that Star
> Trek has made since they let it go.

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:59:13 -0400
From:    Marti Ehlert <molly3jane@j.......>
Subject: On TPTB thread...

Hey all,

Speaking of the powers that be...I know this is a bit late...

Could we lobby for a an FK sciography (sciology? I just caught the QL
one)  FK certainly has enough history to fill an hour.  I guess the best
way to do this is to send e0mail to the scifi chan. PTB.

Just a thought :)  I want more FK <G>
--Marti
"I do whatever my rice crispies tell me to"
molly3jane@j.......

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Date:    Sun, 20 Aug 2000 05:05:58 +0200
From:    Llarian <manulanger@t.......>
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: On Holy Ground out of print

From: Sherri C <sherric@e.......>
> As I recall they made anyone with Buffy sites with clips or waves to 'cease
> & desist'... the US transcript sites were taken down, but there is one in
> Germany still running...

Then either they are back, or the information you were given is faulty... I
just checked by following "Sonja Marie's Buffy the Vampire Slayer Links Webring,
which has an amazing 576 sites (no, I didn't open them all -  just a few, randomly
across the ring) and there are plenty of sites with images, wavs, video clips,
even a pc game!

Llarian
mailto:manulanger@t.......
http://www.llarian.de

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Date:    Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:33:30 CDT
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: On Holy Ground out of print]

Which is the main reason I don't have any copyrighted FK pics on my site. But
then I'm a do-it-yourselfer when it comes to computer graphics anyway.
They may look a bit cheesy, but at least they're legal.

Emily

"Cindy L. Clark" <ClarkCindy@e.......> wrote:

They might force us to close down our FK websites with all the (pirated)
images and sounds.

-snip-

E-mail and MSN Messenger:  emily.m.hanson@u.......
Visit my homepage at http://www.starbase-eprime.com
ICQ#: 73113057

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Date:    Sun, 20 Aug 2000 06:57:21 +0200
From:    Llarian <manulanger@t.......>
Subject: Re: FK and chatting

From: Carlson <ustisaquui@e.......>
> usually use efnet, as it has proved the most reliable, and I know a great

Efnet is reliable,  however, it's often  full, and not all servers are listed in
older versions of mIRC. They're also very strict about where you log on.
Living in Germany, I cannot even log on other servers in Europe, let alone
overseas. May I suggest Undernet?

Llarian
mailto:manulanger@t.......
http://www.llarian.de

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Date:    Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:33:59 EDT
From:    KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: <No subject given>

In a message dated 8/19/00 9:40:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
susanmgarrett@e....... writes:

<< And boycotts - I haven't watched USA since they attempted to cancel the
 remainder of second season FK and that would be January of 1996.  I've put
 a parental block on that channel.  If I could manage to have my cable
 company remove it from my choices, I would.  It doesn't mean much to anyone
 except me, I suppose, but it does make me feel that I've maintained some
 internal integrity.
  >>
I does matter to some of us.  I too have boycotted USA since they dropped FK.
 I've done the same thing to Exxon/Mobil since the oil spill.
When I write to SFC/ USA/Mr. Bronfam, I always tell them I am not watching
their channel because of their dropping the series, and that I will not watch
it until they bring the show back.

KnightWitch ;-]=

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Date:    Wed, 20 Aug 1980 08:06:40 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Please don't write to Sony

Just thought I'd tell anyone who's concerned that I haven't, and won't,
follow up on my plan to write to Sony & send them back my copy of On Holy
Ground. RL events kept me away from the post office, and the discussion on
this list has convinced me that it would be unwise to do so at this stage.
Frankly, I'm not disappointed to have a good excuse to hang on to my book.
If Sony wants it, they can come to Canada & get it from me.

Somebody said it's too bad it takes something like this to get folks to
write to Sony & others about FK. I agree, and I'm guilty as charged. I
guess sometimes you don't know what you've got till it's (almost) gone...
I'll still write Sony, but strictly as part of the regular KtK campaign,
and definitely without mentioning OHG.

Finally, here's my favorite story about copyright & trademark protection: a
U.S. college football team's lawyers told a Calgary high school football
team to cease and desist from calling themselves the Trojans, because they
were infringing on the American copyright. The Calgary high school showed
that they had been using the name "Trojans" for several decades before the
U.S. team was formed. They kindly allowed the Americans to continue using
the name.

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:29:50 -0400
From:    g4akl@c.......
Subject: Re: "TPTB"

At 01:08 PM 8/17/2000 EDT, Evelyn Duncan said:
>> But isn't Richard Hatch a brunette?
>Yes, and he played Apollo (the one that Jane Seymour almost
>married on the show); Dirk Benedict (later of the A Team)
>played Starbuck.  He's the blond.

Apollo DID marry the character played by Jane Seymour & that's how
he became Boxie's father.

Now to get this back on topic <g>.  I was watching some bio type
show on cable and learned that Richard Hatch (or was it Dirk
Benedict?) has a script for a BG reunion movie which he's trying
to get started but he does NOT have BG "TPTB"'s approval for the
project ...  So it seems that FK's TPTB are not the only TPTB
that ignores efforts & refuses to cooperate when others try to
get reunion-type projects going.

Arletta

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Date:    Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:45:36 -0500
From:    Tracysue <tracysue@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK and chatting

Llarian wrote:

> From: Carlson <ustisaquui@e.......>
> > usually use efnet, as it has proved the most reliable, and I know a great
>
> Efnet is reliable,  however, it's often  full, and not all servers are listed in
> older versions of mIRC. They're also very strict about where you log on.
> Living in Germany, I cannot even log on other servers in Europe, let alone
> overseas. May I suggest Undernet?

Also, if you have a newer server, the server operators have to write efnet to
get permission for their clients to access it.  This has proved a problem for
me more than once, as I have moved a lot, and many internet providers that I
have dealt with don't have permission to access efnet.
--

Tracy Sue
Vaquera  http://members.xoom.com/tracysue1/Library.html
fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to cooler costumes,
better weapons and your own Estrogen Brigade.

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Date:    Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:00:15 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: On Holy Ground Out Of Print

As I replied to you privately...There are some out there now, but compared
to several years ago, the number and quality of the sites is next tonothing.
I watched most of the sites go away, and know several who had their stuyff
taken down with the same kind of nasty letter to them and thier hosts that
Jean got.

I dont have the names or old address anymore. I just remember watching it
happen when it did. HUNDREDS of sites.  A few of the sites went underground
but most were given the cease and desist.

As far as the Buffy ones, go to the BUFFY BRINGERS and it has all the
infomration on all the shutdowns last time I looked, because they are the
first ones fighting it.
--
Cecilia
Lady Ariadne--webmistress
http://www.wildbadgers.net
ICQ# 10820105
--

> Almsot all of the X files sites were forcebly remvoed

Same question as for the Buffy sites: Which ones?

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Date:    Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:06:34 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: On Holy Ground out of print

All Star Wars slash sites have either had to go underground or were pulled
because Lucas himself was royally PO'd at people slashing Obi wan and
Quigon.

A couple of the original slash writers wont even put their stuff out on the
web anymore after getting threatneing letters from Lucas lawyers.

Some of this fallout on sites with slash is because the actors and/or their
families were upset if they find out, or the or the originator (lucas and
SW.)  Now Nigel and Geraint arent upset as far as I heard, so that is a step
in favor or nothing against the UF's
--
Cecilia
Lady Ariadne--webmistress
http://www.wildbadgers.net
ICQ# 10820105
--
FYI - The main Rat Patrol sites all got squelched because they were into
slash very heavily, and even tho ABC isn't doing a thing with Rat Patrol,
the lawyers were all bent out of shape due to the tarnishing of their
heros' reputations.

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Date:    Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:12:40 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: On Holy Ground out of print

Its not the Buffy sites. I am very active in there and know its not them.
*I* had said the X files ones at the time. They have approached the Buffy
sites yes.  And the Buffy people have fought back to the point of naitonal
recognition on Headline and major news networks.
They even have the stars of the show who have spoken out in favor of them
(once they learned there was no profit from them and it was promoting the
show).

The point is if TPTB get the bug up theri butt, they feel they have a leg up
because the average person or host wont have the $$$ to fight them even if
they might win.

And I would hate to lose some of the great FK sites out there. Thats the
only way I get to see anything from the show anymore./

And an OT thing.... If there are any Buffy people here, try not to support
Sonjia Maria and her site/s. She is a known theif and did some bad things
even worse in calber then what the BANDIT did here to Susan's stuff a few
months back.
--
Cecilia
Lady Ariadne--webmistress
http://www.wildbadgers.net
ICQ# 10820105
--
Then either they are back, or the information you were given is faulty... I just
checked by following "Sonja Marie's Buffy the Vampire Slayer Links Webring, which

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Date:    Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:07:36 EDT
From:    SField8067@a.......
Subject: Re: On TPTB thread...

>>>>Could we lobby for a an FK sciography )<<<<
The best way to do this is to include it in everyones e-mails during our blitz''s.
I'm sure if they get enough requests, we can make it happen!
It sure would be great to have one done on FK!
HUGs, susan ellen field
SField8067@a.......
KTK

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