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FORKNI-L Digest - 3 Aug 2000 to 4 Aug 2000 (#2000-237)

Fri, 4 Aug 2000

There are 31 messages totalling 795 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. KtK Update 7-31-2000
  2. Nigel's post (2)
  3. LC's Reading Material (2)
  4. list oldies
  5. Archiving War Eleven
  6. Nigel's post (and a lil' Frenchie poo)
  7. Help! Info needed (2)
  8. Lacroix Dream and Mom Update
  9. Nigel's last post (2)
 10. Card challenge
 11. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Help! Info needed]
 12. Next war (2)
 13. A Masterful Crossword (9)
 14. Yes, it's true
 15. LC gets arrested
 16. Another old listee remembers...
 17. The Card, take two
 18. Janette is the right spelling

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Date:    Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:46:31 EDT
From:    BrandyKitt@a.......
Subject: Re: KtK Update 7-31-2000

In a message dated 08/03/2000 10:44:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
BrandyKitt@a....... writes:

> having you been watching leno this week?  he has these two
>  ditzy oklahoma girls at the convention.  i bet they're rehearsed,
>  because no one can be that ditzy!
>
sorry, i thought i was sending this to a friend of mine.
her address was on the message i sent; aol must have had
a hiccup!!!!!

mea culpa!!

evelyn duncan
brandykitt@a.......

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:05:46 EDT
From:    Sss44@a.......
Subject: Nigel's post

Here's the only Nigel post I can find, from way back in 1994. Please note
that, as far as I know, this is no longer his email address, so don't try to
reply to him. :-) And, btw, I never found him in the scene, so it must have
been cut before airing.

<<
Date:    3-APR-94  4:17a
From: Nigel Bennett*S <n.bennett3@g.......>
Subject: MUFFLED DIALOGUE

I DO HOPE THAT THIS GETS THROUGH.
SO, THE FRENCH THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN TRYING TO WORK OUT
IN THE SECOND EPISODE WAS AS FOLLOWS. GER'S LINE WAS INDEED
VA AU DIABLE....GO TO THE DEVIL.
MY LINE WAS SOIT TRANQUILLE....BE CALM.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE USE THE MORE PERSONAL SINGULAR FORM- WE
ALWAYS DO- I WAS TAUGHT PARISIAN FRENCH WAY BACK IN SCHOOL,
AND ALMOST INSTINCTIVELY GO FOR THE FORMAL PLURAL. THEY
ALWAYS CATCH ME!
AND ANOTHER THING! SOMEWHERE IN AN EPISODE DIRECTED BY
MIKE LEVINE THERE IS A SCENE IN THE PRECINCT, AND IN THE
BACKGROUND A PETTY CRIMINAL IS BEING LED TO THE CELLS BY A
COP. THE PETTY CRIMINAL IS NONE OTHER THAN ME!!!
WE DID IT AS A JOKE, AND IF THE SCENE IS IN, SO AM I.
TONIGHT'S ASSIGNMENT....CAN YOU FIND ME????
I WISH I COULD TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THE NEW EPISODES, BUT I
REALLY CAN'T. THEY ARE, HOWEVER, MUCH BETTER THAN THE OLD
ONES SO FAR; MORE INVENTIVE, CLEVERER, AND MORE FUN TO DO.
TAKE CARE, EVERYONE...I AM LURKING!>>

Scottie
sss44@a.......
"Oh, I want him." -- Janette, Near Death

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Date:    Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:11:03 CDT
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: LC's Reading Material

Scottie spake:
>And speaking of Lacroix, what kind of fiction do you think he reads?

FK Fanfic: Kylie's story 'Clarus'..... romance (involving him, of course,
with that General's ego ;)).... nick fic (hey, that rhymes!!!) for insight
into his strategies..... probably historical fiction...... and of course,
the addicts' fantasies!!!!

Jen Harding, jensharding@h.......
CotK, KoC, Faithful, Val, CP, LC, RoGe, Urchin
"I love you all. And I want all of you ... to love me" -- the Nightcrawler

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:12:33 EDT
From:    Sss44@a.......
Subject: Re: list oldies

In a message dated 8/3/00 6:22:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gelana@g.......
writes:

<<
 First season was all that existed.  And it was discussed endlessly, every
 nuance, every hidden meaning, every historical reference.>>

Even when a lot of us hadn't even seen all the eps.  :-)

 The list was so small it felt like we all knew each other.  And it seemed
 like most of the list was comprised of librarians. :-)
  >>

I too was amazed that there were so many librarians on the list--and
especially that there were so many catalogers.  Maybe it's because back then
about the only people with internet access were at corporations or
universities?

Lynne,  now I'm remembering the allergy fic!

Scottie
sss44@a.......
"Oh, I want him." -- Janette, Near Death

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Date:    Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:34:56 CDT
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Archiving War Eleven

I've heard that Kathy Walsh pocket_protector@h....... will be archiving
War 11.

Just a little news blurb brought to you by:

<fanfare>
<more fanfare>

JEN!!!  ;)

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:35:58 -0400
From:    Amand-r <deparsons@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel's post (and a lil' Frenchie poo)

<Nigel wrote (a long time ago)>
> I'M NOT SURE WHY WE USE THE MORE PERSONAL SINGULAR FORM- WE ALWAYS
DO- I WAS TAUGHT PARISIAN FRENCH WAY BACK IN SCHOOL, AND ALMOST
INSTINCTIVELY GO FOR THE FORMAL PLURAL. THEY  ALWAYS CATCH ME!

I had wondered about this, because last night, while watching NiQ, I
noticed he said "Sil vous plait" and not "sil tu plait" like I would
have suspected, when asking Nick to take the stake out of him.  At the
time I had wondered if that was supposed to imply something about their
relationship, and that perhaps they were more formal in the way they
regarded each other....less like family and more like master/pupil (?)
perhaps.

Then again, perhaps it was the twinkies.  Yeah, it must have been that
big ol box of Twinkies...

Amand-r,
Unclaimed and Unfettered, running through the lists with a Twinkie

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:51:02 +0200
From:    Llarian <manulanger@t.......>
Subject: Re: Help! Info needed

Laurie of the Isles asked:
> What is the address at the loft?  I know it was given at least once on the
> series, but I'm drawing a complete blank.

It's 101 Gateway Lane.

Llarian
mailto:manulanger@t.......
http://www.llarian.de

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:12:25 +1200
From:    Knightraven <knightraven@c.......>
Subject: Re: Help! Info needed

> I think it's 101 Gateway.
>
> Marci C
>

I confirm. 101 Gateway Lane.:)

Kylie.
knightraven@c.......
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/knightraven

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:02:36 CDT
From:    Jen Harding <jensharding@h.......>
Subject: Lacroix Dream and Mom Update

a few nights ago, i dreamt that i was in an environment similar to that in
'games vampires play'.

i was selene, and i was kissing lacroix!!!!

just *had* to share that... ;)

supposedly, my mother is coming home from the hospital tomorrow!!!  her
spirits are up, and she's recovering well.  thanks to all you great and kind
people on this list who care and are sending your thoughts and prayers for
our family!!!  they still have to operate on the other aneurism.... they're
thinking maybe in six weeks???

love always,

Jen Harding, jensharding@h.......

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:26:06 EDT
From:    Susankenn@a.......
Subject: Nigel's last post

Its amazing what you find in old mailboxes. This little tidbit created a lot
of discussion of the list.

sue
susankenn@a.......
Knightie,NNpacker, UF




Subj:    The end of FKSPOILR (long)
Date:   96-06-07 20:13:32 EDT
From:   102371.674@c....... (Nigel M. Bennett)
Sender: FKSPOILR@p....... (Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic List)
Reply-to:   FKSPOILR@p....... (Forever Knight TV show - Spoiler Topic
List)
To: FKSPOILR@p....... (Multiple recipients of list FKSPOILR)

I thought that I would just check in with all you guys (non gender connotation)
as FKSPOILR is coming to an end.
        It really has been a treat lurking here and listening to what you all
think of the episodes as they have come and gone. Your comments were always
insightful and challenging. And they were religiously printed out and consulted
by the people at the FK studios. It has been a true pleasure to "know" you all
in this way, and I thank you for the opportunity.
        I thought that I would add my own twopenn'orth (English version) to the
debate about LK. Remember that this is simply my opinion and has no greater
significance than that.
        I think that to fully see LK's significance, we have to take it in the
context of the whole third season. It was a season, for me, which saw a growing
disillusionment in my character certainly, and a growing unwillingness to accept
the status quo in most of the others: Nat becomes less and less happy with her
relationship with Nick, and her life in general, Nick backslides constantly,
losing his grip on his quest for mortality. And Lacroix? Well, I think Janette's
leaving hit him harder than even he knew, and he slid into a lethargy (Lacoix
lite) which ended with him HAVING to move on.
        So, LK came as no surprise. Nat could see no light at the end of the
tunnel and, in effect, commits suicide.(Yes, I know Nick drained her, but she
asked him to), Lacroix moves on to reinvent himself somewhere else. And Nick....
Nick wins. You see, the way it felt for me at the end was that Nick had beaten
Lacroix, and had finally regained his humanity. That is why Lacroix would be
able to kill him, because he could see that he had finally and utterly lost
his son, and could do nothing about it. When Nick says to Lacroix "You are my
closest friend", when he turns to LC in love and compassion and, essentially,
forgives him, he is human.
"Damn you Nicholas" is Lacroix's admission of defeat, and Nick goes to the
woman that he loves.
        So, for me, LK is a victorious ending and a deeply positive one.
        Just my twopenn'orth.
        Thanks for all the good times,
        Nigel B

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:52:34 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel's post

Yeoww!  Just being able to read this old post has put a shiver up my spine!
 And Scottie's quote from Janette at the end, "Oh, I want him!" -- why did
that seem so appropriate?  "g"

Portia

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:00:49 -0400
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel's last post

>        So, for me, LK is a victorious ending and a deeply positive one.
>        Just my twopenn'orth.
>        Thanks for all the good times,
>        Nigel B


Okay, so this one has me crying.  Thanks so much for sharing this with us
"youngsters."  SOB!  (Nigel, know you won't see this, but way to go!)

Portia
sniff, sniff

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:35:53 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Card challenge

Actually,
        You are looking for Nick's Card under Nick/Natalie Heading.

                Tim

> Yes. It's there.
> If you're 18 or older, go to the Jadfe site
> http://www.lady-lacroix.com/jadfe/
> And look under the Nick/Natalie heading for "The Card."


 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:09:16 CDT
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Help! Info needed]

It would explain the cow splotches logo <g>

Emily

-snip-

Marci C

Gateway makes computers... do you suppose Nick owns the company?


Emily M. Hanson

http://www.starbase-eprime.com

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:22:17 EDT
From:    Wolfy Knight <Wolfy380@a.......>
Subject: Re: Next war

what was the last war's #?
and where do i find those posts? (even thou she was in the war, she didn't
actually read anything put a few dp posts, and would like to read what all
happened in the end...)


~Wolfy, the super-happy right now... ::beams and does a happy dance::

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:52:57 -0400
From:    Judith A Cataldo <JUDYCAT@p.......>
Subject: Re: A Masterful Crossword

> Has anyone else noticed the August 5th TV GUIDE crossword puzzle yet?
> 16 across seems to be someone we know...

Just got my copy.  Obviously we have a fan in the crossword author.
Judy
judycat@p.......
http://pages.prodigy.net/judycat

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:52:56 EDT
From:    Wolfy Knight <Wolfy380@a.......>
Subject: Re: A Masterful Crossword

In a message dated 8/4/00 8:47:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
JUDYCAT@p....... writes:

<< > Has anyone else noticed the August 5th TV GUIDE crossword puzzle yet?
 > 16 across seems to be someone we know...

 Just got my copy.  Obviously we have a fan in the crossword author.
 Judy >>
I don't get TV guide, can you explane for us that doesn't get it?

~Wolfy

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:31:49 -0400
From:    Judith A Cataldo <JUDYCAT@p.......>
Subject: Re: A Masterful Crossword

TV Guide Crossword Aug 5 edition, 16 across: "Turned Nick into a vampire on
Forever Knight"

Judy
judycat@p.......
http://pages.prodigy.net/judycat

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:23:20 -0700
From:    Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Subject: Re: Next war

Wolfy Knight wrote:
> what was the last war's #?

10

> and where do i find those posts?

At the ftp site:

ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/war_10/

--
Cloud

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:23:26 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Yes, it's true

Jen writes:

>I've heard that Kathy Walsh pocket_protector@h....... will be archiving War 11.

Yes, that's true. However, the war won't take place until after I get moved
and settled in and get a job, so we're most likely looking at early next
year at the soonest.

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:32:34 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: LC gets arrested

Scottie quoted Nigel as saying about a joke in Only the Lonely:

>THE PETTY CRIMINAL IS NONE OTHER THAN ME!!!

Someone with really sharp eyes finally found it -- it's on one of the
monitors in the background in the tag.

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:48:27 -0500
From:    Emma Lighton <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: LC's Reading Material

>Scottie spake:
>>And speaking of Lacroix, what kind of fiction do you think he reads?
>
This probably comes under the heading of things about Lacroix we didn't
want to know...
Why do you think all those stores opened at midnight to sell the latest
Harry Potter book? :)


Emma (elighton@b.......)
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head Mouse Clicker
Survivor of Wars 9 and 10
"Pulvis et umbra sumus." -Horace
https://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:25:05 GMT
From:    Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......>
Subject: Re: A Masterful Crossword

judycat@p....... wrote;

TV Guide Crossword Aug 5 edition, 16 across: "Turned Nick into a vampire on
Forever Knight"

There are only enough spaces for seven letters.  All of you do think the
answer is LaCroix don't you?  I have heard fans say that it was Janette.

                                                        Gwenn

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:27:57 EDT
From:    teri delong <darius4evr@h.......>
Subject: Re: Another old listee remembers...

>From: Lynne Levine <gelana@g.......>
>
>Reading the old listees thread has been really fun!

This *HAS* been fun!! I only discovered FK last year, but I can imagine what
it was like waiting eagerly for the next new episode, or holding my breath,
daring to hope that it would return for another season.

I envy everyone their memories of the show when it was still alive and
growing! Please, keep the memories coming!! :o)

teri
darius4evr@h.......

Check him out!... http://www.benbassfanclub.com/
Proud Vaquera/Vachon's vassal/Defender of Brown-eyed Vamps
V-looper/Vaqdreamer/bbfc/B&C/T+Vpack/Fanatic/Dp/Dnp/DNN/NNpack
ForeverNat/FoRP/Crew/GKfc/GWDfc/Nigelbennet list lurker

LFNikita Operative in Training, Section One DenialLand Substation

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:29:29 EDT
From:    Wolfy Knight <Wolfy380@a.......>
Subject: Re: A Masterful Crossword

In a message dated 8/4/00 1:26:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
gwennm@h....... writes:

<< There are only enough spaces for seven letters.  All of you do think the
 answer is LaCroix don't you?  I have heard fans say that it was Janette >>
LaCroix fits right? jeanette doesn't... and it is spelled Jeanette right?

~Wolfy, the super happy, confused, scared person..

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:10:46 -0400
From:    Cecilia Long <celong@m.......>
Subject: Re: A Masterful Crossword

LaCroix did the dirty deed so to say.  Jeanette just lured him in.

--
Cecilia
Lady Ariadne--webmistress
http://www.wildbadgers.net
ICQ# 10820105
--
<< There are only enough spaces for seven letters.  All of you do think the
 answer is LaCroix don't you?  I have heard fans say that it was Janette >>

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:18:55 -0400
From:    Rose <rjb1274@a.......>
Subject: Re: A Masterful Crossword

At 02:29 PM 8/4/00 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/4/00 1:26:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
>gwennm@h....... writes:
>
><< There are only enough spaces for seven letters.  All of you do think the
> answer is LaCroix don't you?  I have heard fans say that it was Janette >>
>LaCroix fits right? jeanette doesn't... and it is spelled Jeanette right?


* Crossword puzzle SPOILER*

if you don't want to know the answer to this one, 16 across on the Aug 5 TV
Guide puzzle, don't scroll down.

























the answer to 16 across- Turned Nick into a Vampire on "Forever Knight" is
LaCroix.
Check out http://www.tvguide.com/games/crossword/

Rose

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:35:50 -0700
From:    tigrlady2u@j.......
Subject: Re: A Masterful Crossword

 So is it LaCroix, or Janette?  They both have seven letters!

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."


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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:23:58 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Re: A Masterful Crossword

Gwen writes:

>There are only enough spaces for seven letters.  All of you do think the
>answer is LaCroix don't you?  I have heard fans say that it was Janette

I once got a chance to ask Nigel and Deborah at the same time at a small con
party. Both were adamant that it was LC who brought Nick over. James
Parriott said the same thing later in an online chat.

But of course the crossword author probably doesn't know this.

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:26:51 EDT
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: The Card, take two

Reposted with McLisa's permission 'cause it wasn't done yet, and I screwed up
and posted when I meant to save it for later. :)

Permission to archive at www.fkfanfic.com, and the ftp site, although I don't
know why they'd want it. <g>

Dear Ms. Lambert,

You may already be a winner in the Vampire Clearing House Sweepstakes.
Please come to 101 Gateway to enter the final drawing and collect your
complimentary contrite vampire.


Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:31:47 -0400
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Janette is the right spelling

Wolfy asked:
><< There are only enough spaces for seven letters.  All of you do think the
> answer is LaCroix don't you?  I have heard fans say that it was Janette >>
>LaCroix fits right? jeanette doesn't... and it is spelled Jeanette right?

I thought "Janette" was a mistake the first time I saw it written down, too.

But no,  it really is Janette. One early discussion was on whether or not
this form had ever existed outside of Hollywood in the 1940's, especially
since the cast were pronouncing the name exactly like the French
"Jeannette." Then one of our members, who was Swiss-born and a
native-speaker of French, reported that "Janette" did actually exist as a
Swiss-French form of the name.

Anyway, it's Janette on all the scripts and publicity stuff.

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l

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