FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 13 Jul 2000 to 14 Jul 2000 (#2000-209)
Fri, 14 Jul 2000
There are 21 messages totalling 597 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Knight School/flying to post-classical Mayan Civ.
2. Upper Canada Connection Internet Auction!
3. Divia's flying (4)
4. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Divia's flying]
5. Infrared? (3)
6. Divia's flying] (5)
7. Reflections
8. YKYBWTMFKW...
9. reflections
10. Mirror Scene in Father Figure
11. vamp factions (2)
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:28:14 -0500
From: Barbara Aszman Stone <StoneB@g.......>
Subject: Knight School/flying to post-classical Mayan Civ.
In a class on Mexican history that I took in Mexico in 1970,
Ramo'n Pin~a Chan, then the director of the Museo de
Antropologi'a showed us some slides of Mayan frescos in
which most of the people looked like Mayans, but one didn't.
The one that didn't had a full beard and looked like he might
have come from southern Europe or the Middle East. This one
figure has lead anthropologists to speculate that somebody
from the Old World managed to sail to Mezo-America well before
Columbus (someone other than a Viking).
So Nick might have used the same route and method of transport
as the guy in the fresco.
B. Stone
stoneb@g.......
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:31:49 -0400
From: Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Upper Canada Connection Internet Auction!
Posted with McLisa's kind permission.
Hi Everyone!
The Upper Canada Connection would like to announce it's first
Internet Auction. The auction will begin at midnight EDT July 15 and
end at 23:59 EDT July 23rd.
All proceeds from the auction will be donated in honour of Geraint
Wyn Davies to the Toronto Hospital for Sick Children, an
internationally renowned children's hospital.
We've got an interesting mix of items for you, including
out-of-print books, magazines and videos, an off-air set of Canadian
version first season FK and some great Ger photos!
You can access the auction site directly from:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/auction/auction.htm
or through the UCC main page from the URL in my sig.
Happy bidding!
--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/index.htm
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:41:53 -0400
From: urtikit@m.......
Subject: Re: Divia's flying
Marg wrote:
>Nah. <g> Unless Nick took it into his head to fly in full plate
>armour, he couldn't be picked up on radar.
Actually, I think he might show up, armour or not.
Radar will pick up just about anything. Birds, even
insects (in swarms) will register.
There was a report a while back from the Fed. Aviation
Administration (which monitors flights in the US) to
the effect that more than once in the past, large
flocks of birds have shut down airports. Too many individual blips show up on
radar and swamp the
tracking systems. ("Hey, Fred, look! There's 30,000 inbounds on runway 22
Right!")
In fact, the claim to fame of the Stealth fighter is
that it has the same radar signature as a single
sparrow. Nick would most likely be a bit larger. <g>
Thinking there may be a fanfic idea in here somewhere,
Kit
urtikit@m.......
("Hey, Fred, look! There's an angsty vamp inbound on
runway 22 Right!")
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:20:32 EDT
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Divia's flying
In a message dated 07/13/2000 3:53:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
urtikit@m....... writes:
<< In fact, the claim to fame of the Stealth fighter is
that it has the same radar signature as a single
sparrow. Nick would most likely be a bit larger. <g> >>
Here's my slab of Harvarti with dill: FK was a bit inconsitant about whether
or not it's vamps had reflections or not, but for the sake of cheese, lets
assume they don't. If they don't don't show up in mirrors, maybe the don't
register on radar either. Sombody, pass me the box of Carr's please. <g>
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:04:50 CDT
From: "Emily M.Hanson" <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Divia's flying]
I can remember seeing an episode where Nick had a reflection.
It's been so long I can't remember which one it was, but
I do recall seeing his reflection in a mirror, and it wasn't a flashback.
However, I have a pic of Urs, seemingly in front of a mirror,
and not reflecting. Is it possible that vamps in FK reflect at some times but
not during others?
Emily
Laudon1965@a....... wrote:
Here's my slab of Harvarti with dill: FK was a bit inconsitant about whether
or not it's vamps had reflections or not, but for the sake of cheese, lets
assume they don't.
Laurie of the Isles
Emily M. Hanson
http://www.starbase-eprime.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:21:54 -0700
From: Liz the Lucky <luckyliz@m.......>
Subject: Infrared?
Since vamps and radar has been mentioned, anyone know if an FK vamp would
show up in an infrared camera? Off hand, I'd say no, cuz they're body temp
is supposedly closer to room temp, but that's just a guess.
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky FoD
luckyliz@m....... Merc
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz Nothers
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:06:09 +0200
From: Lorin <vachesang@s.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying]
"Emily M.Hanson" <emily.m.hanson@u.......> wrote:
> I can remember seeing an episode where Nick had a reflection.
> It's been so long I can't remember which one it was, but
> I do recall seeing his reflection in a mirror, and it wasn't a flashback.
I'm pretty sure this was from Father Figure, the ep where Nick has to
'babysit' Lisa, a child witness to a mob hit. Nick's sitting in front
of a mirror while Nat digs a bullet out of his shoulder. He mentions
that he has a reflection - 'sometimes' - and he also winces when Nat
digs for the bullet, which she thinks is a good sign as vampires
shouldn't feel pain.
Debi McK vachesang@s.......
FKP, NNPacker, and very, very UFfish... strange but true!
"They say if you love someone, let them go. If they're really yours,
they will learn their lessons and return. You will come back, Nicholas.
I can wait. I have all the time in the world..." -- LaCroix
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:07:01 -0400
From: eowyn3@j.......
Subject: Reflections
Hi Y'all!
Emily wrote:
>I can remember seeing an episode where Nick had a reflection. <snip>
However, I have a pic of Urs, seemingly in front of a mirror, and not
reflecting. Is it possible that vamps in FK reflect at some times but
not during others?<
Nick has a reflection in Father Figure. We see Nat and Nick in a mirror
as she is removing a bullet from his shoulder. IIRC, Nat makes a remark
about being able to see him in the mirror and he answers her that
"Sometimes" he has a reflection.
(McLisa-I copied and pasted just 3 lines so if the above quote comes out
as more than that...please forgive Juno for not understanding the list
rules <G>)
Terri
eowyn3@j....... or eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, Knightie, TKD, FK X-Stitcher,
She can be taught! But only in little bytes!
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:17:31 -0700
From: Carlson <ustisaquui@e.......>
Subject: Re: Infrared?
Liz the Lucky wrote:
> Since vamps and radar has been mentioned, anyone know if an FK vamp would
> show up in an infrared camera? Off hand, I'd say no, cuz they're body temp
> is supposedly closer to room temp, but that's just a guess.
I'd hazzard a guess that it would depend on how recently they had fed....a
vampire that has eaten recently would have a warmer body temp (which would, of
course, slowly cool down) than one that has not eaten for a while. I'd think
that it would be much harder to see a vamp considering the body temperature
problem you mentioned, but if they have still warm blood coursing through
them, it might warm the body a bit for a while and allow them to show up as a
cooler body in infrared.
Guessing,
Tab
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:23:46 EDT
From: Meliss9900@a.......
Subject: Re: Divia's flying]
In a message dated 7/13/00 7:59:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
vachesang@s....... writes:
<< Nick's sitting in front of a mirror while Nat digs a bullet out of his
shoulder. He mentions that he has a reflection - 'sometimes' - and he also
winces when Nat digs for the bullet, which she thinks is a good sign as
vampires shouldn't feel pain. >>
I've always wondered how she came to that conclusion. Did Nick tell her that
or did she get it form gothic/horror/romance novels and movies?
Melissa
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:30:40 -0500
From: Cindy Ingram <cgi271@a.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying
Libs wrote:
>I was more concerned with keeping the body of her victim from becoming ...
>too, uhr, well, "odorfied" as a Ratpack might jammy-jam. I don't think a
>vampire would necessarily need pressurization even in a high flying jet since
<SNIP>
I'm not an airline pilot (and I don't even play one on TV <weg>), so I
could be wrong, but a cargo hold without sufficient pressurization and
climate control to sustain a live human or animal would be pretty darn cold
at regular cruising altitudes. What springs to mind is the recent incident
with the dog that was accidentally placed in the wrong cargo compartment of
a jet traveling cross country. The pilot decided to make an emergency
landing in Denver since, if they had waited until their scheduled landing
in California, the poor thing would have frozen to death.
As it was, they weren't sure they'd make it in time to save him, but
fortunately the story had a happy ending.
If Divia had hitched a ride in such a cargo hold, she wouldn't have been
bothered by the cold and the body would have been nicely preserved for the
duration of the trans-Atlantic flight!
And it also gave her enough time to raid the luggage and put together just
the right fashion ensemble for stalking Daddy Dearest. <g>
Cindy Ingram
<cgi271@a.......>
"I will not be the toy of irresponsible events!" -- Christopher Fry, "The
Lady's Not For Burning"
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:40:31 -0400
From: Diane Harris <dharris@h.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying]
Nick shows a clear reflection when he's coming up off the stairs in the
episode with the psychic, I think it's Dying to Know You. He also shows a
very clear reflection in Father Figure when Nat is digging a bullet out of
his shoulder.
Diane (dharris@h.......)
Hopeless NNPacker with strong Knightie / Dark Knightie tendencies and a hint
of FoDs for good measure...
www.his.com/~eschmid/Homepage.htm
> I can remember seeing an episode where Nick had a reflection.
> It's been so long I can't remember which one it was, but
> I do recall seeing his reflection in a mirror, and it wasn't a flashback.
> Emily
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:42:44 -0700
From: Les GS <looscann@s.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying]
Diane Harris wrote:
>Nick shows a clear reflection when he's coming up off the stairs in the
>episode with the psychic, I think it's Dying to Know You. He also shows a
>very clear reflection in Father Figure when Nat is digging a bullet out of
>his shoulder.
He does in Curiouser & Curiouser, too, in the loft, though I'm not sure
that could really count, as he was... in an altered state of consciousness.
<g> Lacroix shows up in the reflection as well, though *only* there.
Is there a mirror across the back of the bar at the Raven?
Les
Unnamed
LoosCanN@s....... ~ http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/looscann/ ~
UF UnFAQ - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/1228/
"The truth is rarely pure, and never simple." ~ Oscar Wilde
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:04:20 +0900
From: Raven Breena <raven@n.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW...
...when you have a dream about being the vampire in a very, very interesting
dream. =) Hm, a very good dream, btw, that rather set my blood to boil...
BTW, the next ep. of Knight School will probably come out on Monday, I would
have done it sooner, but some things happened and I'll do it as soon as I
can.
Hugs and Guns all!
Cousin Raven Breena
raven@n.......
http://www.naturesong.com
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and
astonish the rest." - Mark Twain
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:23:03 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying]
> Nat digs a bullet out of his shoulder. he also winces when Nat
> digs for the bullet, which she thinks is a good sign as vampires
> shouldn't feel pain. I've always wondered how she came to that conclusion.
> Did Nick tell her that or did she get it form gothic/horror/romance
> novels and movies?
Nick did seem to get shot with some regulatarity at times.
I suspect that Natalie has been digging bullets out of him with
regularity since he joined hte force. It would also make sense that
in the course of her attempts to define his condition medically it
would have come up when he didn't show a reaction to a needle or
some other procedure that she warned him might "hurt a little".
Tim
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:55:19 -0400
From: Quinn <quinn@g.......>
Subject: Re: reflections
>Nick shows a clear reflection when he's coming up off the stairs in the
>episode with the psychic...
>He also shows a very clear reflection in Father Figure ...
>He does in Curiouser & Curiouser, too, ...
Don't forget photographs -- many cameras use mirrors to reflect the
image through the camera. The pilot, Unreality TV, Forward into the
Past, 1966, Night in Question, Close Call all show photographs of
vampires, not to mention every time Nick flashes his badge!
Quinn
GWDFC officer quinn@g.......
GWD Fan Club page--> http://www.gwdfc.org/ , http://www.gwdfc.com/
Want updates on GWD? e-mail GWDupdates-subscribe@o.......
Like Robson Green? e-mail RobsonGreenFans-subscribe@o.......
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:09:45 -0400
From: mclisa@m.......
Subject: Mirror Scene in Father Figure
<< Nick's sitting in front of a mirror while Nat digs a bullet out of his
shoulder. He mentions that he has a reflection - 'sometimes' - and he also
winces when Nat digs for the bullet, which she thinks is a good sign as
vampires shouldn't feel pain. >>
As a matter of fact, the cast had been told originally that reflections
would be removed in post-production. Then time and money got in the way, and
the reflection showed up some places but not in others. The dialogue in
Father Figure was improvised by Ger and Catherine Disher as an attempt to
make sense of the situation.
Cousin McLisa (Lisa McDavid) "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:16:29 -0500
From: treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: vamp factions
At 12:46 AM 7/12/00 CDT, Jen Harding wrote:
>I also think LC would join all his partnership factions -- "I love you all.
>And I want all of you ... to love me" -- LC as the Nightcrawler
We have a room for him all ready at the CotK's comfy cottage, if he'd like
to drop by.
We have a room for Nick, also. Question - Would Nick join any faction that
LC is a part of?
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:31:21 -0500
From: Tracysue <tracysue@i.......>
Subject: Re: Divia's flying
Laudon1965@a....... wrote:
>
> Here's my slab of Harvarti with dill: FK was a bit inconsitant about whether
> or not it's vamps had reflections or not, but for the sake of cheese, lets
> assume they don't. If they don't don't show up in mirrors, maybe the don't
> register on radar either. Sombody, pass me the box of Carr's please. <g>
I've heard two explanations for why a vampire wouldn't have a reflection. and
for either theory, the FK vampires should show up in a mirror.
The first explanation is that vampires hate silver (it's not just wearwolves),
and that early mirrors had silver backings. Since modern mirrors aren't made
of silver, Nick and company's reflection should show up. And in any case, I
don't think FK vamps were alergic to silver.
The second explanation was based on the old thought that the mirror dosen't
actually show your reflection, but an image of the soul. (this was why people
used to cover mirrors during a wake, because they were afraid that the soul of
the deceased would become trapped) But again, FK made it very clear that Nick
had a soul. (it may not have been in very good condition, but it was there).
So either way, Nick should have been showing up in that mirror.
--
Tracy Sue
Vaquera http://members.xoom.com/tracysue1/Library.html
fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to cooler costumes, better
weapons and your own Estrogen Brigade.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:56:07 -0400
From: Patti Hutchins <engie2@j.......>
Subject: Re: Infrared?
What about if the blood recetly ingested was refrigerated? That wouldn't
warm the body temp much, would they still show up?
Patti
engie2@j.......
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:53:32 -0400
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: vamp factions
Of course! The Unnamed Faction. And The Dark Trinity.
Portia
Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
> At 12:46 AM 7/12/00 CDT, Jen Harding wrote:
>I also think LC would join all his partnership factions -- "I love you all.
>And I want all of you ... to love me" -- LC as the Nightcrawler
We have a room for him all ready at the CotK's comfy cottage, if he'd like
to drop by.
We have a room for Nick, also. Question - Would Nick join any faction that
LC is a part of?
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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