There are 9 messages totalling 413 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Fan Fic Question (2) 2. Dead of Night 3. Beta-reader wanted (2) 4. Crossovers 5. Blitz for the Knight Day 3; Easy Steps for Chat 6. Fwd: Reminder - FK Alumni VCR Alert 7. Llarian proudly presents... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:33:41 -0400 From: urtikit@m....... Subject: Re: Fan Fic Question Nancy wrote: >I know that homosexual relations was referred to as "Greek love," but I >don't think that was pejorative. (Sparta had an entire regiment of warriers >who were lovers, who died to the man in defense of that Greek city-state.) Some stuff I've read indicates the Romans didn't care much for the Greeks (although if believed degenerate, this didn't stop Rome from co-opting much of their culture), so it *could* be considered a pejorative. For example, Pliny the Elder (1st century AD) complained about Roman physicians, accusing them of acting like Greeks. Juvenal (1st-2nd century AD), in his Satires, was rather more direct in complaining about Greeks. "Castigas turpia, cum sis inter Socraticos notissima fossa cinaedos?" (You put down foul practices, when you are the most notorious of the Socratic reprobates?) Barbara added: >The Romans would not have thought a homosexual a "sissy" or a >"wimp". Those are modern terms. In fact the term"homosexual" is a >relatively modern term. I have seen this reference, however: "magna inter molles concordia." (Effeminate men have great accord amongst themselves.) I think that's Juvenal, too (Satires). But I'm no historian, so make of it what you will. Kit urtikit@m....... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1980 16:22:23 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> Subject: Re: Dead of Night No, we don't have a 5th amendment in Canada, but many Canadians are unaware of that. "Take the 5th" is an American expression which is used & understood by Canadians. And, as I recall from my Social Studies class waaaay too many years ago, if you are on the witness stand in Canada and asked a question which might incriminate you, you tell the judge that your response might be incriminating. She then compels you to answer, but she also tells the prosecutor and jury to ignore the incriminating implications. That's the theory, anyhow. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:32:36 -0400 From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......> Subject: Re: Fan Fic Question Muldy Sculler wrote: > > The Romans would not have thought a homosexual a "sissy" or a > "wimp". Those are modern terms. According to A History of Private Life, volume 1 (Georges Duby et al.) in Lucius' time, "keeping a boy for sexual purposes was a minor sin for a man of quality." But "boy" is the key word here. A jealous wife heaved a sigh of relief, they say, when the object of her husband's affections started showing signs of a mustache. That instantly put the favorite off-limits. His sex was no longer ambiguous, and it was completely unacceptable for him to continue to in a physically intimate relationship. "Some masters even kept their 'pets' after they stopped growing, but such behavior was considered reprehensible." To be a male was to be active and dominant. The "two supreme forms of infamy" for a man were giving pleasure to a woman in a now-commonplace way that the Romans saw as "servile and weak" and allowing oneself to be the passive partner in an act of intimacy with another man. (On the list, I can't be quite as specific about these two acts as the book is.) A lot worse than the sentiments expressed by "sissy" or "wimp." The authors point out that a known homosexual relationship between grown men would have made the (supposed) subservient partner an object of horror and the dominant partner ridiculous, the butt of *laughter.* On the general subject of passion, the authors note: "It is widely but mistakenly believed that antiquity was a Garden of Eden from which repression was banished, Christianity having yet to insinuate the worm of sin into the forbidden fruit. Actually, the pagans were paralyzed by prohibitions." They note some very strict "taboos" that seem bizarre today: Never make love in the daytime (except on your wedding day). Always darken the room. Never completely undress the woman.(A prostitute would keep her breasts covered.) The concept of mutual pleasure was obviously missing. "Amorous passion, the Roman's believed, was particularly to be feared because it could make a free man the slave of a woman." Not to say that it didn't happen, of course, but such "moral slavery" was something to keep very, very private. LC probably had a lot more fun during the Renaissance. ----- Mary mcombs@e....... N&Npacker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:22:43 CDT From: "Emily M.Hanson" <emily.m.hanson@u.......> Subject: Beta-reader wanted Help, I need a beta-reader! I'm in the process of writing my next fanfic, and would like to improve my writing. I do have a helpful "guinea pig." I didn't want to post this to the fanfic listserv. Emily M. Hanson http://www.geocities.com/Area51/1901/index.html https://members.tripod.com/~EmilyH/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:00:56 -0400 From: Patti Hutchins <engie2@j.......> Subject: Re: Beta-reader wanted I'll beta for you if you haven't gotten any other offers. Patti engie2@j....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:40:55 -0700 From: tigrlady2u@j....... Subject: Re: Crossovers On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:52:11 EDT Laci Bailey <TyMurraysGal@a.......> writes: > Is there any GOOD x-overs? Particularly Forever Knight/Walker, Texas > Ranger? > If there are any, please email me at: TyMurraysGal@a....... > > Thanks! > Laci StormyNite wrote a wonderful piece called 'Shades of Change'. It is the sequel to her equally awesome story 'The Shadow Dancer'. 'Shades of Change' is a XOVER with 'Walker, Texas Ranger'. Stormy did an awesome job of capturing the characters from both shows. KC Smith tigrlady2u@j....... Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies. "I've never met a chocolate I didn't like." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:19:58 +0000 From: Kristin <kris1228@s.......> Subject: Blitz for the Knight Day 3; Easy Steps for Chat It's day 3 of the Feedback Blitz!! Go ahead and e-mail the two powers that be below asking for what you desire in the Knight (you can also re-use your letters for this 2 week blitz)... 1. Sci-fi: feedback@w....... 2. Tristar/Sony: http://www.spe.sony.com/spe/help_feedback_index.html .................................................. Forget what the blitz is about? Read below: It looks like these blitzes we have been doing are getting some attention! So we at KtK, are going to turn them into a monthly routine. This month we are focusing on the two main powers, Tristar and Sci-fi. Its going to be a double dose of e-mails from each of you the fans that would love to not only have FK back on Sci-fi's schedule, but want to make sure everyone knows that we are want more FK with the original cast in new episodes and or movies!! So, what do you say? Are you ready to sit down, take that few minutes and send off two e-mails? It could make all the difference in the world! Remember, say a little or say a lot, but say it!! We can make more FK happen!!! June 12th, through June 24th, we are asking everyone to blitz both feedbacks!!! For the two weeks, you can re-use the e-mails you did before, or write new ones. They can be long, or as short as just saying, "Bring Back Forever Knight." ALSO REMEMBER!! Sci-fi will be changing its schedule around in June, and again in the fall.... lets make sure that we get Forever Knight on!!! Sci-Fi's E-mail: feedback@w....... Sony/Tristar Mail Form: http://www.spe.sony.com/spe/help_feedback_index.html When e-mailing TriStar,(especially) give as much personal info as you can...rather than just an e-mail name. A bit more personal carries more weight with TPTB. I also made a button/banner for the upcoming blitzing, which you can use to help spread the word, by putting this on your site (you can get off my save fk page). http://members.xoom.com/forever_nick/Forever_Knight ---------------------------------- Reminder: CHAT with Bonnie Hammer (Sci-fi) June 22nd!: KtK would love it, if as many of you as possible could participate in this. More details on how to participate can be found on the sci-fi dominion site: http://www.scifi.com Or go directly to this site: http://www.scifi.com/chat/chat.faq.html#begin Now finally is our opportunity to let Sci-fi know exactly what we want!!!(Lots more FK!) So please, spread the word to any and all lists that you can, so we all make a big show of support!!! **Easy Steps to Get In: the auditorium chat........ 1. Go to SF's webpage (www.scifi.com) 2. Click on "Chat" on the lower left side of the page 3. Click on "Chat Now" at the top of the page 4. Fill in a nickname for yourself and your real first name 5. The default setting is #dominion, so click on that and in the drop down menu 6. pick #auditorium And that's it! You're now in the chat room where Bonnie's chat will take place. .......................................................... SF chat with Bonnie Hammer coming up on June 22 !!! It's time to on make her answer questions about our shows!! Here are the details: CHAT: Bonnie Hammer, Executive Vice President, General Manager of SCI FI Thursday, June 22, at 9PM ET If you've ever wanted to chat with the head of the SCI FI Channel, now's your chance. Bonnie Hammer, the executive vice president and general manager of SCI FI, is logging on to talk with you about your favorite shows, the future of the network, and much more. Hammer has been instrumental in the growth of SCI FI, including the creation of the channel's first night of original programming, SCI FI Prime, which includes the fabulous fan favorite Farscape. She's also responsible for the development and production of such innovative projects as Steven Spielberg's upcoming 20-hour miniseries Taken, the epic miniseries Frank Herbert's Dune, and SCI FI's first-ever psychic-based talk show, hosted by renowned medium John Edward. Find out how the SCI FI Channel is getting better and better, and in what ways the network is expanding the definition of "science fiction." Connect your IRC software client to events.scifi.com and join channel #auditorium to participate. Chatters with a java-capable browser may use our java chat client. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:13:57 -0500 From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......> Subject: Fwd: Reminder - FK Alumni VCR Alert Hi. Wanted to be sure that I forwarded this, esp. since the Kung Fu ep with CD and NB is showing tomorrow. -Carla P.S. - if you want to receive daily reminders of what's on the next day, join the list on egroups at http://www.onelist.com/community/forkni-l We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. FK Alumni VCR Alert Date: Thursday, June 15, 2000 Time: 7:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Check your local listings for times. Catherine Disher & Nigel Bennett: TNT - Kung Fu:TLC "Straitjacket" John Kapelos: HBO - Johnny Skidmarks Encore - The Shadow Ben Bass: Starz - Bride of Chucky David Hemblen (Dr. Vanderwal): Showtime2 - Defenders:Choice of Evils Showtime Extreme - Once a Thief: Brother against Brother Jennifer Dale and Greg Kramer are regulars on this canadian series. Community email addresses: Post message: forkni-l@o....... Subscribe: forkni-l-subscribe@o....... Unsubscribe: forkni-l-unsubscribe@o....... List owner: forkni-l-owner@o....... Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/forkni-l ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:12:33 +0200 From: Llarian <manulanger@t.......> Subject: Llarian proudly presents... ... her own top level domain! Llarian's Lair, and with it my fanfiction, a couple FK-.avi (German language), and images can now be found at http://www.llarian.de In the near future, I will add more images, and (hopefully) another FK-story I'm currently writing. Have fun! Llarian mailto:manulanger@t....... Join the SciFi-Crossover-Webring at: http://home.tronet.de/manulanger/index.html ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 13 Jun 2000 to 14 Jun 2000 (#2000-172) ***************************************************************
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