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Digest - 23 May 2000 to 24 May 2000 (#2000-151)

Wed, 24 May 2000

There are 26 messages totalling 652 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Nick question (11)
  2. On Holy Ground (3)
  3. TechnoGeek info wanted for taping :) (2)
  4. VCR Alerts, etc... (3)
  5. YKYB
  6. Arrrrgg!!! Problems with the FK FTP site
  7. timeline of show, lists, campaigns?
  8. Do I sense a trend? (2)
  9. Nick question / Aristotle answer
 10. what if?

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 17:20:24 EDT
From:    Jlkerr1228@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick question

In a message dated 5/23/00 12:07:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
DanaKnight@a....... writes:

> Does Nick have any college/university degrees in his Nick Knight life?

     In Dark Knight, he mentioned having taken a class at NYU... and whether
he actually attended the specific class he mentioned or not, he may have
attending NYU in his Nick Knight resume. Where I live -- Portland, Oregon --
all police officers are required to have a 4 year degree to even apply, and
my guess is that to be a detective anywhere, he'd have to have something.

J L Kerr
jlkerr1228@a.......
hometown.aol.com/jlkerr7864/f_knight/fiction.htm

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 13:29:11 -0800
From:    Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick question

With Aristotle around Nick can have any degree he wants.  And for those of
you who collect all things batty--take a look at the Louisville Rivebats
baseball caps.

Barbara

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 17:57:11 -0400
From:    Patti Hutchins <engie2@j.......>
Subject: Re: On Holy Ground

I haven't got mine either.  The post office has messed up my stop mail
order for when I was away.  I got mail for several days and then nothing.
 Today my mail was supposed to resume, but still nothing!  I hope it
comes soon!

Patti
engie2@j.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 15:04:30 -0700
From:    KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: TechnoGeek info wanted for taping :)

Does anybody out there who is *really* into video/audio technology know of a
way to copy VHS tapes (such as..oh..I don't know..say, FK <g>) onto a disc
format?  I would love to be able to have Killer Instinct for longer than the
life of a VCR tape, and God only nows when TPTB will give us the pro stuff
we really want.  Surely with all the new electronic stuff out there it is
possible now? [grumbling about bro discontinuing his Electronics mag
subscriptions too soon!]

Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 19:15:40 -0400
From:    Emily Lacey <laceye@a.......>
Subject: Re: On Holy Ground

This is a wonderful book! The _only_ problem with it is that it is way too
short! I want more!

Emily Lacey
laceye@a.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 19:22:09 -0400
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: TechnoGeek info wanted for taping :)

Kyer,

If you can play realplayer files you can go to http://www.real.com and download
for free Real Producer.  NOW,  to do this, you have to have a video capture card
installed in your pc.  These can be bought at any decent size computer store or
they can order one for you.  IE CompUSA.   I use WINTV with a hauptauge
(Spelling???)  capture card.  It has a cable connector on the back.  You then
connect your vcr up to your pc and start Real Producer, give the file a name, a
place on your hard drive to save it, how good a quality you want,  including the
speed of your connection.  To get a good quality pic you need to record for ADSL
or LAN.  Now  these files are going to be close to 100 megs for an hour long
show with this quality.  If you want to use less space record for a 28.8 or 56 K
modem and it will bring it down to 15-35 megs, but the quality suffers.  Don't
even try recording a whole show as an AVI or MOV file.  A one hour show would
take up a gig  (1000 megs) of space.

Hope this helps.

--
Steph
stephke@i.......
http://www.fkvoyage.com
http://www.nimr.org
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
"If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun."  Katherine Hepburn

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 19:37:43 EDT
From:    Jlkerr1228@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick question

In a message dated 5/23/00 2:29:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ffbmh@a....... writes:

> With Aristotle around Nick can have any degree he wants.

But remember, at least for his Nick Knight persona, he didn't use Aristotle
to set it up. That's why he had to go to Larry Merlin to have his background
built and loaded into a series of mainframes.

J L Kerr
jlkerr1228@a.......
hometown.aol.com/jlkerr7864/f_knight/fiction.htm

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 19:52:22 EDT
From:    Susankenn@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick question

Hi

Police officers in NY are not required to have a college degree. Some college
is helpful in promotions but not a requirement. Just because Nick's partner
has a degree does not mean he has one. Many departments still promote on
achievement vs degrees.

I speak from experience. I do over 150 police officer tax returns and get to
know them pretty well. Also my husband is on the job.

sue
susankenn@a.......
Knightie

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 19:51:55 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick question

Cousin Mary wrote:
>
> Well, Tracy was supposed to have gotten her degree (criminal justice
> probably) and then gone through the academy (9th in her class!), so Nick
> probably had at least the same level of education as his partner
>
Or had Larry Merlin fake his records.  I thinks it's possible that Nick did
the college thing as part of living in the mortal world, but for many years
he could have gotten all the knowledge he wanted by draining it from someone
else.  It only had to last until he could get personal experience - at
archeology for example.

Barb

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 22:36:05 -0400
From:    Emily Lacey <laceye@a.......>
Subject: VCR Alerts, etc...

Would someone please explain why, when I turn on my cable TV and tune in
TNT expecting to see Forever Knight people acting on Kung Fu: TLC, all I
see is either a basketball game or some weird wrestling that looks pretty
ridiculous?

What TNT is this?

Will Lifetime do the same thing when I try to see Mr. Bennett on the 26th?

Is this some conspiracy to take away not only Forever Knight, but any
chance at all of seeing the actors acting?

Sigh.

Would someone please tell me who these people were in Forever Knight:

COLM FEORE
GEORDIE JOHNSON

(I know that they are on TNT, and probably don't play basketball or paint
their faces strange colors and jump around on each other, so I'll never see
them anyway...but I'm interested to know who I could have seen...)

Maybe if I go back to first grade, I'll actually know something...

Emily Lacey
laceye@a.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 22:38:40 -0400
From:    Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: VCR Alerts, etc...

Emily Lacey wrote:
> Would someone please tell me who these people were in Forever Knight:
>
 COLM FEORE - the guy who Nick had a swordfight with and killed in
the flashback of Blood Money

 GEORDIE JOHNSON - played Jerry the talk show host on My Boyfriend
Is A Vampire

--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight  <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 23:19:20 EDT
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick question

thanks for the help. I'm still open to more info as I haven't quite finished
the story yet.

Judy

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 15:11:35 EDT
From:    Enid Rodriguez <LadyEnid512@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick question

> Does Nick have any college/university degrees in his Nick Knight life?

Well, I'm not really sure. He could.
In "Dark Knight" he mentioned taking courses at NYU.
Of course, he just could have been fibbing to appease Elise's curiosity.

-Lady Enid

LadyEnid512@a......., LadyEnid@h.......
GWDFC/G5/Enforcer of The Code/Harem Wife/BGoBH/Kaydick Tech Cult
"Four beers, a little James Brown and you can't keep me off the tables."

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 16:22:09 -0400
From:    Sandra Doctoroff <Sandra_Doctoroff@u.......>
Subject: Re: Nick question

Does Nick have any college/university degrees in his Nick Knight life?

I didn't think he had any in this life but couldn't remember. I know he
had to have one to be a college professor when he was Nick Girard,
archology prof.

I have a feeling that Nick phonied any degrees he claimed to have in
the way that a whole new biography was put together for him and other
vampires when they moved on to a new life in a new location.  But it
isn't really specified anywhere that I remember.  I can't imagine how
he could have earned an entire doctorate without ever having to venture
out during the daytime, being personally familiar with the process.

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 01:51:25 EDT
From:    PF820@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick question

Hi,
    I usually just lurk, but I think I can add to this question.  Nick was a
Chicago cop before he went to To.  Here in Illinois, he would have only
needed a high school diploma or a GED to get hired by the police department
before 1995.  It now requires two years college.  So Nick would not have
needed much education to be hired here.
Patty

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 03:32:06 -0700
From:    "Tiffiney A. Petherbridge" <gugenhoffen@c.......>
Subject: YKYB

YKYBWTMFK and living in TO when...

You find a midnight radio show called Nightwatch... and you sit up the entire
night waiting to see if the host of the jazz program calls himself the
Nightcrawler.

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Date:    Thu, 25 May 2000 06:49:19 -0400
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: Arrrrgg!!! Problems with the FK FTP site

If anyone does have a complete copy of "Something More Than This" could you send
it to me so I can put it on the FTP site.  I didn't know the copy on the site
was incomplete until Simone brought it up and I am unable to find it on my zip
disks that I have from the time it would have been posted.

Thanks,

--
Steph
stephke@i.......
http://www.fkvoyage.com
http://www.nimr.org
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
"If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun."  Katherine Hepburn

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 09:57:31 -0400
From:    sherryh@i.......
Subject: Re: Nick question

Judy wrote:

> Does Nick have any college/university degrees in his Nick Knight life?
>
> I didn't think he had any in this life but couldn't remember. I know he had
> to have one to be a college professor when he was Nick Girard, archology prof.
>

Perhaps he "convinced" them that he didn't need prior training - as he did with
the Chicago police force in Amateur Night - or maybe he whammied them into
believing that he did have the necessary credentials - complete with an
impressive background, compliments of Larry Merlin perhaps?

:) Boomer

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 10:30:27 EDT
From:    KaAG@a.......
Subject: Re: Nick question

<<  I know he had
 > to have one to be a college professor when he was Nick Girard, archology
prof.
 >

 Perhaps he "convinced" them that he didn't need prior training >>

I think that is likely the case.  Having had the umm, 'pleasure' of a
graduate education, I don't think it is something that Nick could have done.
It would take A LOT of hypnotizing to convince them to offer nighttime grad
classes as well as scheduling a dissertation defense for other than 10 am!

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 11:26:08 -0400
From:    "Cindy L. Clark" <ClarkCindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: timeline of show, lists, campaigns?

Cindy,

I don't know if this helps,  but I do know that 1996 was a busy year for FK
fans.  Lisa Ryder did her first convention in March of that year (Oddessy
Trek in Niagara Falls).   Nigel Bennett did Toronto Trek for the second year
along with Lisa Ryder, and Katherine Long.  I believe he did Toronto Trek in
either '94 or '95 with GWD.  The fans also held an FK mini-con at Toronto
Trek '96.  Nigel Bennett and Katherine Long also did Primemedia in Toronto
in '96.

Ben Bass did his first convention at Visions in Chicago in '96, and Nigel
Bennett did Visions in '98.

I know there was a lot of stuff happening before this, but this is when the
knowledge of all the neat thing going on with FK started becoming readily
available in the Cleveland area.  I hope this helps, but I'm not sure this
is the kind of information you're looking for.

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 12:04:04 -0400
From:    "Brenda F. Bell" <bfbell@d.......>
Subject: Do I sense a trend?

The initial ObFK in this is that Psi-Factor has featured a number of FK
alumni as regulars (Barclay Hope, Maurice Dean Wint), recurring characters
(Nigel Bennett), and guest characters (Catherine Disher, Kathryn Long, and
I think others)... but FK itself ties into this as well...

I braved the frustration potential yesterday and went to the Psi-Factor
website to verify that this week's episode of Psi-Factor was the season
finale, and to find out what -- if anything -- was planned for Season 5.
(The site has been all too frequently behind, and/or down.) On the
"newsgroup" page, the FAQ noted that Psi-Factor has *not* been picked up
for a fifth season. It also noted some interesting things about the
economics and politics of Season 4. It turned out that much of the cast
turnover and series redirection was dictated by economics.
        According to the FAQ, to keep costs down, the cast was pared (characters
Ray Donahue, Michael Kelly and LQ Cooper were dropped; characters Anton
Hendricks and Claire Davidson moved from regulars back to
recurring/supporting characters), and Matt Frewer's screen time was pared
down as well. (Rather than accept the drop in screen time and billing,
Frewer opted to leave the show.) To balance things off, a young, unknown
actress was brought in to add a youthful perspective to the team (character
Mia Stone).

This reminds me in some ways of 3rd Season FK, when characters were dropped
(Janette), switched (Reese for Cohen, Vetter for Schanke), and added
(Vachon, Screed) to "add a more youthful perspective" to the show... and it
ended up being the show's last season.

Am I just being paranoid, or is this a trend that's supplementing moving
shows to unpopular times (or inconsistent times, or inconsistent channels)
for the purpose of killing them off?

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 11:23:43 -0500
From:    Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: Re: Nick question / Aristotle answer

KaAG@a....... wrote:

> <<  I know he had
>  > to have one to be a college professor when he was Nick Girard, archology
> prof.
>  >

Don't forget...

Aristotle can create just about any background and paperwork necessary for a
"new life."

If Nick needed a degree prior to being a Toronto cop, I'm sure he has the
parchment to prove it.

Carla
copper6500@y.......

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Date:    Tue, 23 May 2000 18:49:33 -0700
From:    "Kelly C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: On Holy Ground

 I just got my copy in the mail today~ Yaaay!!!   I started reading it,
right away.  Thanks, Jean!

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 13:26:51 EDT
From:    MrsMech@a.......
Subject: Re: VCR Alerts, etc...

In a message dated 5/23/00 7:37:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, laceye@a.......
writes:

<< Would someone please explain why, when I turn on my cable TV and tune in
 TNT expecting to see Forever Knight people acting on Kung Fu: TLC, all I
 see is either a basketball game or some weird wrestling that looks pretty
 ridiculous? >>

Are you sure you're not putting on TBS instead of TNT? I did that once and
was confused for minute until I realized that it was the wrong channel.

Just a thought,
Monique

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 15:35:03 -0500
From:    monica rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: Re: what if?

Kyer said: (if nick was killed by alexandria)
>
>Well, *Kyer* would be crying buckets.  And if LaCroix *didn't* go after
>Alexandra, then Kyer would unleash all of her Personalities on LC until he
>went nuts.  Eventually, Alexandra would be a little pile of ashes.
>
the thought of kyer unleashing all of her personalities is frightening indeed.
 i dare say, it would work on the old general!!  but don't get any ideas....
<weg>

monica
luscious lucius lover
'you really do like me [Kyer], you just don't know you do."  <bweg>

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Date:    Wed, 24 May 2000 16:56:28 -0300
From:    "T. Floyd" <jflyer@b.......>
Subject: Re: Do I sense a trend?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda F. Bell" <bfbell@d.......>
<mercilessly snipped, as if by a cousinly sort>
: Frewer opted to leave the show.) To balance things off, a young, unknown
: actress was brought in to add a youthful perspective to the team (character
: Mia Stone).  : This reminds me in some ways of 3rd Season FK,

I think the emphasis is on 'unknown' rather than 'young.'  She is not just
youthful but she is a terrific actress who fits well into what is left of
the original cast as a young person in the difficult position of being in
charge of a more experienced team.    Imagine if Tracey had been brought in
as a new captain to replace Cohen!  Picture the tight-rope of consulting
with more experienced people she is in charge of, while reataining the
authority of her position.

It could very well be a last season for Psi Factor because Matt Frewer was a
major draw for the show and because it has already run longer than 'average'
for a Canadian drama; but I really think that economic factors matter here
more than mere cosmetics.  As the cast has been changing from 'NAMES' to
relatively unknown actors, overall the quality of the stories has been
improving...maybe they're spending more on writers.

I don't know if it's been mentioned here, but one major overall difference
that I've noticed between Canadian TV shows and comparable American shows is
the ratio of brain to beauty.  Compare Cold Squad or DaVinci's Inquest to
Law and Order; Traders or The City to West Wing.  (all of these shows have
lots of FK alum, both as regulars and in guest spots.)  I guess our real
knock-out beauties go to California and make movies on the beaches while our
more average folks stay here and work with good writers creating future cult
favourites.

LapLor
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jflyer@b.......
http://Laplor.tripod.com

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