FORKNI-L
Digest - 20 Apr 2000 to 21 Apr 2000 (#2000-117)
Fri, 21 Apr 2000
There are 24 messages totalling 698 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. FK invades Disney (10)
2. A bit of a late 'Thank You'
3. website help
4. Feedback Blitz Begins NOW!!!
5. Name that song! And group. (5)
6. If FK went to Lifetime (was: FK invades Disney) (2)
7. Your Weekly Vote & FK's Position
8. If FK went to Lifetime (2)
9. Easter Blitz
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:37:15 -0700
From: Shele McCaa <kartaan@w.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Christella M. Stillman wrote:
>
> True, but they also have more "grown-up" properties such as Touchstone
> Films. Now that they have ABC in their back pocket, they might consider a
> TV movie. You never know.
And don't they still own the E! channel? I remember a lot of speculation
about taming the shows aired on E!, but they're still showing skin<g>
-shele
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:37:53 -0700
From: "Kelly C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: A bit of a late 'Thank You'
I know this is late, but with all that I've been dealing with in RL,
and trying to get some work on my stories done, I just plain forgot.
I wanted to publicly thank Carla Martinek for posting 'Quest for
Mortality' on her website. She has been a major lifesaver in doing so
for me!
I also wanted to thank all of you for your loving support through this
whole crazy mess. I keep hoping that things will turn around for me, and
I'll have one year where nothing catastrophic happens (I can dream, can't
I?).
Much love to you all.
KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:55:10 EDT
From: Lori Dehn <valideh1@h.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
> >Considering USA's "Spicy! SeXXXy!" spin on FK, and Disney's attempts to
> >maintian a wholsome image, I really doubt that they would touch it with a 10
> >foot stake.
>True, but they also have more "grown-up" properties such as Touchstone
>Films. Now that they have ABC in their back pocket, they might consider a
>TV movie. You never know.
Good point. Not only that, but Cap Cities ABC/Disney also own Lifetime. I
can see FK on Lifetime.
Lori Dehn
Nick & Nat Packer with
definite Ravenette and Vaquera
tendencies, and just a
smackerel of Cousin for Flavor
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:32:23 -0500
From: treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
At 06:55 PM 4/20/00 EDT, Lori Dehn wrote:
>... Cap Cities ABC/Disney also own Lifetime. I can see FK on Lifetime.
I can see FK on Lifetime, too, but I'd be a little scared of what they'd do
to it. I remember when they made their first Spencer for Hire movie. Being
a network supposedly devoted to women's programming, they made Susan, who
really was a pretty peripheral character in the show, into a main character
in the movie, and did a bad job (IMHO) of dealing with the relationship
between Spencer and Hawk, which, to me, was the thing that made that show
fun.
I've been wondering about Showtime as an outlet for FK. I know it's a premium
station, but most cable companies offer it, I think, and you can always sign
up a little bit before a movie is shown and then cancel until another movie
is going to be shown.
Showtime has some Scifi stuff, and they also have some stuff that's good in
general, in that it's different from what's on the other networks and more
adult-oriented. (Not as in sexy, in every case, but as in it takes more
awareness to appreciate it.) I'm particularly thinking of Late-Line with
Al Franken, which didn't make it on the networks, but which is now airing on
Showtime.
I wonder if Showtime might be interested in FK, but willing to do it without
forcing it to fit into some niche of their own.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:57:37 -0400
From: Diane Harris <dharris@h.......>
Subject: website help
I've been doing some major work on my fanfiction site (URL below), and it
looks really nice on my computer, but I found that it leaves much to be
desired in Netscape (I use IE 5.0) and Netscape generates a bunch of
JavaScript errors on the fiction page. Does anyone have any suggestions as
to how I could fix this (the JavaScript errors first and foremost, looks are
second) so that it will work ok with Netscape? Any input from Netscape
users on the appearance of my site would be appreciated as well :) Please
respond offlist.
Thanks in advance!
Diane (dharris@h.......)
Hopeless NNPacker with strong Knightie / Dark Knightie tendencies and a hint
of FoDs for good measure...
www.his.com/~eschmid/Homepage.htm
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:51:28 EDT
From: MadiHolmes@a.......
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
In a message dated 04/20/00 3:56:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
valideh1@h....... writes:
<< Good point. Not only that, but Cap Cities ABC/Disney also own Lifetime. I
can see FK on Lifetime.
>>
Actually, I saw the movie "Nick Knight" on Lifetime like 5 or 6 years ago.
MadiHolmes
Cousine Formidable/GSS
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:37:21 +0000
From: Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Feedback Blitz Begins NOW!!!
OKAY EVERYONE!! THIS IS IT!!!!
If you love *Forever Knight* if you want it back on the schedule, if you
want movies,merchandise, etc, now is your chance to let TPTB know it!!!
Today through the entire Easter Weekend, day and night we are asking each and
every person on every Fk list/loop etc, to take a few moments and please
e-mail : feedback@w.......
If you know anyone anyplace online that is willing to participate, let them
know!!!
If you know people on other lists, such as "Dark Shadows",
Sentinel,Highlander', let them know we could use thier e-mails !!!
We need those E-mails to number in the hundreds, we want to make sure when
they check the e-mails bright and early monday, that they will be flooded
with requests for Forever Knights return!!!
We were all brought together on these lists because of our united love for
Forever Knight and its cast. its what keeps us together,talking about it,
writing about it, etc....
we have all made life-long friends because of it.
Lets show TPTB that we are all still here, still devoted, and will not go
away till we have it back!!!
Lets make sure that all our efforts to this point have not been in vein!!!
So please! It takes just a few moments, and the result could be lots more Fk
for us all!!!!
Thankyou to all that will participate. :)
LET THE BLITZING BEGIN!!!!!
Susan Ellen Field
SField8067@a.......
Kickstart The Knight
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:16:05 -0400
From: Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
From: <MadiHolmes@a.......>
> Actually, I saw the movie "Nick Knight" on Lifetime like 5 or 6 years ago.
I find that Lifetime tends to run "Nick Knight a couple of times a year.
Not always in easy time slots to find.
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:31:11 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
Are you folks talking about the one with Rick Springfield?
Tim
> > Actually, I saw the movie "Nick Knight" on Lifetime like 5 or 6 years ago.
>
> I find that Lifetime tends to run "Nick Knight a couple of times a year.
> Not always in easy time slots to find.
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:23:01 -0500
From: Emma Lighton <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
>I can see FK on Lifetime, too, but I'd be a little scared of what they'd do
>to it. I remember when they made their first Spencer for Hire movie. Being
>a network supposedly devoted to women's programming, they made Susan, who
>really was a pretty peripheral character in the show, into a main character
But FK already has a major female character, Natalie. (And, if the movie is
set in the 3rd season, they have 2 female main characters.)
Emma (elighton@b.......)
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head Mouse Clicker
Survivor of Wars 9 and 10
"I like my music dark and bitter, not my beverages."
https://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:56:34 -0500
From: "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
> >I can see FK on Lifetime, too, but I'd be a little scared of what they'd do
> >to it. I remember when they made their first Spencer for Hire movie. Being
> >a network supposedly devoted to women's programming, they made Susan, who
> >really was a pretty peripheral character in the show, into a main character
However, Susan is on the same footing as Hawke in the Robert Parker books,
so the Lifetime movie was a bit closer to the (pardon me, print prejudice
showing!) Real Spencer.
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:38:59 -0700
From: KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: Name that song! And group.
Last year I did a filk called 'Lukey Lacroix' based on a 60's song.
Unfortunately, I was just a wee kid during the sixties and the song stuck in
my brain because it was used in a Sesame St. skit featuring the Cookie
Monster (whom I just adored.) <g>
The filk was done soley on those memories.
Now that darn filk/song has com back to haunt me!
If anyone knows the actual title and singer/group who did the song that
went: (sorta--we're talking a kid's memory and many decades here!):
Who's lookin' o'er the streets of the city, smiling at everybody she sees.
Who's reaching out to capture a moment?
Everyone knows its Wendy!
If you got the info, please get a hold of me so I can get back to the person
who asked me this!
Grumbled (good-naturedly)
Kyer
kyer@p.......
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:39:06 EDT
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
In a message dated 04/21/2000 7:45:52 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
elighton@b....... writes:
<< But FK already has a major female character, Natalie. (And, if the movie is
set in the 3rd season, they have 2 female main characters.) >>
:: Drumming fingers :: Ahem, lest we forget Janette? Make that three.
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:54:40 -0500
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: If FK went to Lifetime (was: FK invades Disney)
> But FK already has a major female character, Natalie. (And, if the movie is
> set in the 3rd season, they have 2 female main characters.)
Think of what Lifetime could do with Natalie's character... :-) Nat's a woman
who's charging ahead in a traditionally male-dominated field. And she does
it without the stereotypical "bitchiness" and/or "butchiness" that is so often
used, I suspect, by writers (male & female) who aren't quite sure how to portray
a successful woman. Although, she did occassionally got the "wuss" treatment
from the writers. :-( (Generally, though, I gave the FK writers good marks
for their female portrayals.)
Tracy had places for her character to go, too. Think if they made her a vamp...
her and Nick, partners in work and lifestyle, but not in romance.
-Carla
copper6500@y.......
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:51:52 -0500
From: "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Name that song! And group.
From: KYER <KYER@p.......>
> If you got the info, please get a hold of me so I can get back to the person
> who asked me this!
That song is "Windy" by the Association.
Who's walking down the streets of the city,
Smiling at everybody she sees?
Who's reaching out to capture a rainbow?
Everyone knows it's Windy.
And Windy has stormy eyes,
That flash at the sound of lies,
And Windy has wings to fly
Above the crowd.
Etc.
(I really liked the Association -- and still have their greatest hits
album!)
Nancy Kaminski
who listened to that song when it was in the Top Ten!
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:55:20 -0700
From: "Kelly C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: Name that song! And group.
> (I really liked the Association -- and still have their greatest
> hits
> album!)
>
> Nancy Kaminski
> who listened to that song when it was in the Top Ten!
Oooh! You're brave! Dating yourself on the whole list? ;-)
I gotta tell you, it's really depressing when things I listened to as a
teenager in the '80s are now being referred to as 'classic rock'!!!
Aaagghh!
KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:17:56 -0700
From: KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: Re: Name that song! And group.
To anyone who was curious, I found a single midi file for the song.
It is called Windy and is by Association.
http://www.tayug.com/midis.htm
Thanks to those who sent me info!
Even iffen you were both only *partially* right! <g>
Kyer
kyer@p.......
And Happy Easter to all those who celebrate it either secularly or by
religion!
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:01:31 -0500
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: Re: Name that song! And group.
KYER wrote:
> To anyone who was curious, I found a single midi file for the song.
> It is called Windy and is by Association.
> http://www.tayug.com/midis.htm
And I have iit on MP3 as well.
-Carla
the napster junkie
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:30:54 +0000
From: Kristin <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Your Weekly Vote & FK's Position
Hi!
This is a reminder for you to vote at the Global 100 on HIGH LEVEL (this is
very important and determines the weight of your votes, which then
determines FK's Position).
If you're already on a HIGH level then just go here to add your weekly vote:
http://www.global100.com/item.asp?Item=51259
If not simply go to your "personal card" and answer the questions about your
birthday, age, and gender. Once you do they will send you a "key" via e-mail
which you then can paste on your personal card. Aftrewards you will be on
HIGH level. (if you have any questions about this, feel free to e-mail me).
FK's currently #8 unofficially, but they are doing some tests with the point
system still, so this may not be accurate, but still it can't hurt to come
vote. Officially it is #4.
Thanks for voting!
Kristin
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:05:32 -0500
From: treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: FK invades Disney
At 10:23 AM 4/21/00 -0500, Emma Lighton wrote:
>>I can see FK on Lifetime, too, but ... when they made their first Spencer
>> for Hire movie. ... they made Susan,... into a main character
>
>But FK already has a major female character, Natalie. (And, if the movie is
>set in the 3rd season, they have 2 female main characters.)
Yes, but what I mean is, they changed the emphasis of the show. As much as I
enjoy the character of Natalie, if there were to be one or even three movies,
I wouldn't want Natalie to be the main focus. Nick and Natalie, as a major
focus, now, that's different! I certainly wouldn't want the Nick and LaCroix
relationship to be stinted, though, which I'm afraid could happen on Lifetime.
Then, there's the way Lifetime tends to deal with women these days. There
seems to need to be at least one woman-crying scene in every movie, and the
scene goes on for far too long.
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:26:11 -0500
From: treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime
At 10:54 AM 4/21/00 -0500, Carla Martinek wrote:
>Think of what Lifetime could do with Natalie's character... :-) Nat's a woman
>who's charging ahead in a traditionally male-dominated field.
Oh dear. This is the sort of discussion that can get very controversial very
fast. But here goes, anyway.
I don't really care that "Nat's a woman who's charging ahead in a
traditionally male-dominated field." I do care that she has a responsible,
demanding job and one that also shows that she cares about people.
And I would have liked to see a little bit more about Natalie, closer to
what we saw about Schanke, perhaps, but I really suspect the writers didn't
know how to do that.
Still, I feel that the show is about Nick, and all the other characters are
supporting characters. If the series could ever come back, a few shows
emphasizing Natalie would be good (if the writers could manage it), but if
it were just a case of one or three movies, I'd prefer the emphasis to be on
Nick, with the others in supporting roles.
>Tracy had places for her character to go, too. Think if they made her a
>vamp... her and Nick, partners in work and lifestyle, but not in romance.
Oh dear, this is even more dangerous. I can't see Tracy as a vamp. She's too
sunny. She likes the daylight, and I'm pretty sure she said that. I think
she'd be even more miserable as a vampire than Nick is, and I think having
her character go more places would pull the emphasis of the show very far away
from Nick.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:42:49 -0500
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: Re: Easter Blitz
I sent out messages from 6 separate mail accounts. :-)
Some of them I had to try hard to remember the passwords, since I
haven't used them in months! (yahoo, netscape, aol, zdnetmail,
hotmail...)
So, if you've got mulitple email accounts, you might want to make use of
them!
-Carla
(Be sure to change your messages, though.)
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:34:31 EDT
From: MadiHolmes@a.......
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime
In a message dated 04/21/00 11:39:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
treeleaf@i....... writes:
<<
Oh dear, this is even more dangerous. I can't see Tracy as a vamp. She's too
sunny. She likes the daylight, and I'm pretty sure she said that. I think
she'd be even more miserable as a vampire than Nick is, and I think having
her character go more places would pull the emphasis of the show very far away
from Nick. >>
See, I think I'd like to see her become a vampire. It'd add...chemistry.
I never really liked her (hard core Schanke fan, you see) much, and only
started to warm to her over the last couple years.
Plus her being so... perky really grated on my nerves. I liked Schanke, he
was so optimistically pestimistic. I liked that in him.
But Tracy as a vampire. It'd be nice to see that "new vampire" stick around
for another episode. Get to see that whole "newbie" shtick in other tahn
flashbacks.
Do a couple tragi-comedy eps revolving around it.
Good stuff there. they should have mined it for all it was worth.
madiHolmes
Cousine Formidable/GSS
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:43:53 EDT
From: Lori Dehn <valideh1@h.......>
Subject: Re: If FK went to Lifetime (was: FK invades Disney)
I'm thinking more and more about this, and I believe Lifetime would be a
TERRIFIC venue for FK, at least as good as Sci Fi, and probably better. Sci
Fi is just getting into its own production stuff, but Lifetime has been
doing it for a long time. They have also shown a particular leaning towards
both "crime drama" and the supernatural. Penny made me a great tape of the
NK pilot and a Susan Dey vampire movie made for Lifetime.
I don't think the characters would suffer at all, as we do have strong
women, sensitive (and hot) guys, timely issues, etc.
Plus, with apologies to the guys in the fandom and on the list, we are an
overwhelmingly female audience, a point that has been much lamented by those
who protested the third season changes.
And I am sure that if people weren't watching the NK pilot, they would stop
showing it altogether, which, despite the wealth of MFTV movies out there,
they have not. (I have seen it once this year already.)
I say we work on a new letterwriting direction. Let's tell Lifetime how
much we appreciate their airing of NK, but ask them about FK, and tell them
how incredibly GRATEFUL we would be. :)
Lori Dehn
Nick & Nat Packer with
definite Ravenette and Vaquera
tendencies, and just a
smackerel of Cousin for Flavor
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