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Digest - 25 Mar 2000 to 26 Mar 2000 (#2000-91)

Sun, 26 Mar 2000

There are 20 messages totalling 614 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Confused about Lexx (2)
  2. Questions about FK vampirism
  3. Rare FK video clip (12)
  4. Searching for Only The Lonely soundfiles
  5. FORKNI-L Digest - 22 Mar 2000 (#2000-86)
  6. A Lycos FK Club/Message Board/Chat area
  7. YKYBRTMFKFFXOW...
  8. Thoughts on FK Episode Production

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Date:    Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:05:49 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Confused about Lexx

In a message dated 3/23/00 3:50:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
be028@f....... writes:

<< it seems like Nigel's long-awaited appearance in the third season of Lexx
 will start being shown on April 10. >>
So what are we watching on Scifi right now???  Are we in the middle of season
one or two or what?  I can see how adding NB to the show would improve it
immensely.  (Almost *anything* would.)  I just want to avoid sitting thu an
episode unnecessarily.  The only interesting character on the show right now
is The Dead Guy from FIHS, but he's usually frozen most of the show--lucky
dude.
CTFS

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Date:    Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:13:07 -0500
From:    Tracysue <tracysue@i.......>
Subject: Re: Questions about FK vampirism

Angela Gottfred wrote:

> >2.  Has it ever been proven that the FK vampires cry blood?  Every single
> >piece of fiction I've ever read always has them with red bloodtears
> >(including my own), but was this actually canon or is it just a trend that
> >developed out of fiction?

In several episodes it's been shown that Nick wakes up sweating blood.  I think
that a lot of authors use this as the baisis for
the assumption that vampires as have blood tears.  (all body fluids are blood,
or some similar rationalization).

To expand on this, since Nick crys clear tears in Last Knight, (and because he
can't hear Nat's heartbeat, and assumes that she's
dead instead of mearly on the brink )you could assume that he has come across
and is mortal now.

Did Forever Knight ever show another episode where a vampire cries?
--

Tracy Sue
Vaquera  http://members.xoom.com/tracysue1/Library.html
"Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?" - Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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Date:    Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:52:53 EST
From:    BJDFKFan@a.......
Subject: Re: Confused about Lexx

About Lexx, in a message dated 3/25/00 8:06:46 PM Central Standard Time,
WRDRR@a....... writes:

<< So what are we watching on Scifi right now???  Are we in the middle of
season one or two or what?  >>

Those of us who are eagerly awaiting seeing Nigel on Lexx on Sci Fi in the
U.S. will probably still have a bit of a wait.  SFC in its infinite wisdom
originally started showing Lexx totally at random.  They have now finally
bent to fan demands and are showing the second season of Lexx in its correct
original sequence.  There are 20 second season eps and the first ep was last
Friday 3/17 and the second ep was just this past Friday.  The reason they are
not showing the first season is that it wasn't a true TV season, it was
instead 4 two-hour movies.  Hence the "Rated Lexx" special SFC ran a while
back which summarized the first "season".

So...hang in there, we'll see Nigel eventually.  From what I hear about his
performance, it will be worth the wait.

Becky -- DFKS, DK, IB, DT, UF, Ravenette, Cousin, FOD
http://members.aol.com/BJDFKFan, http://members.aol.com/DKfanfic
We're cut adrift, but still floating.  I'm only hanging on to watch you go
down...my love.  (Bono, U2)
The world was bankrupted of ten million fine actions the night she passed on.
 (paraphrased from Ray Bradbury's F. 451, in memory of Libby M.)

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Date:    Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:55:07 -0800
From:    "Nancy A. Taylor" <nat1228@h.......>
Subject: Rare FK video clip

I have just made a video clip of what I believe to be a rather rare
scene for Forever Knight. This is the scene in Father Figure where
Nick is filling his wine bottles with blood from a barrel. He is
dressed in a white poet's shirt, is barefoot and uses what appears to
be a silver gravy bowl to scoop and pour the blood.

I put this clip on my episode archives page with the Father Figure
vidcaps. Just go to: http://members.xoom.com/nancyt1228/archives.htm
and click on Season One. Scroll down to the Father Figure link and
you'll find a link for the video clip. The clip is a little over 8MB
in size, so be patient while it loads. I think you'll agree it's
worth the wait.

I don't wish to step on any toes doing this. Kristin Harris is
building a lovely library of FK video clips on her site, and I don't
want to infringe on her territory. This will most likely be the only
FK video clip I'll put up on my site. I'm doing it because I've only
seen this scene in the German and Spanish versions of the episode. A
friend who has copies of the first season master tapes tells me that
the scene is not on her master copy. It is not in the uncut Canadian
copies I have, either, and it surely is not in the Sci-Fi version. I
doubt Kristin has access to this scene, so I feel free to share it
with you. I have vidcaps of the scene on the Father Figure page, but
thought you might enjoy seeing the clip.

I've had trouble with .AVIs before, so if I get too many complaints
that people can't view the clip after they've gone to the trouble of
downloading it, I will remove it from the site. Better check it out,
just in case. <g>

Sorry for babbling on.... Enjoy!

Nancy :)

Nancy A. Taylor
nat1228@h.......
http://members.xoom.com/nancyt1228/archives.htm

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Date:    Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:14:47 -0600
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

> I've had trouble with .AVIs before, so if I get too many complaints
> that people can't view the clip after they've gone to the trouble of
> downloading it, I will remove it from the site. Better check it out,
> just in case. <g>

FWIW, I downloaded it and my PC (brand new Dell, Windows 2000) tells me it
is unable to decompress the video. The audio is fine, though.

Anyone else got that problem?

Nancy Kaminski

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Date:    Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:29:43 -0800
From:    Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

Nancy Kaminski wrote:
> ...unable to decompress the video. The audio is fine, though.

I had the same problem.

--
Cloud

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Date:    Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:42:25 -0800
From:    "Nancy A. Taylor" <nat1228@h.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

At 09:29 PM 3/25/00 -0800, Cloud wrote:
>Nancy Kaminski wrote:
>> ...unable to decompress the video. The audio is fine, though.
>
>I had the same problem.

Very strange. It all runs fine on my machine. <shrug> I'll leave it up a
day or so, and see if *anyone* can view it. If not, I'll take it down. I
wish I could explain the problem. It's just a plain old .avi, nothing fancy.

Nancy Taylor
nat1228@h.......
http://members.xoom.com/nancyt1228/archives.htm

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:27:54 -0600
From:    Kristin Harris <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

If you guys keep having trouble with Nancy's you might try Lois's. She's had
that same scene up on her site for a month or so now along with a few other
filler scenes:

http://members.xoom.com/lfdodson/filler.html

Kristin
http://members.xoom.com/forever_nick/Forever_Knight

>>FWIW, I downloaded it and my PC (brand new Dell, Windows 2000) tells me it
is unable to decompress the video. The audio is fine, though.

Anyone else got that problem?

Nancy Kaminski

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:32:20 -0600
From:    Kristin Harris <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

Hi again!

Here's a help page just incase it will help to download Nancy's clip:

http://members.xoom.com/lfdodson/codec.html

I'm not sure if that's the problem. I am fixing ot test it myself. Nancy
thank you, and you're not infringing at all. :) The more videos around for
FK the better!

Kristin
http://members.xoom.com/forever_nick/Forever_Knight

>>I have just made a video clip of what I believe to be a rather rare
scene for Forever Knight. This is the scene in Father Figure where
Nick is filling his wine bottles with blood from a barrel. He is
dressed in a white poet's shirt, is barefoot and uses what appears to
be a silver gravy bowl to scoop and pour the blood.

I put this clip on my episode archives page with the Father Figure
vidcaps. Just go to: http://members.xoom.com/nancyt1228/archives.htm
and click on Season One. Scroll down to the Father Figure link and
you'll find a link for the video clip. The clip is a little over 8MB
in size, so be patient while it loads. I think you'll agree it's
worth the wait.

I don't wish to step on any toes doing this. Kristin Harris is
building a lovely library of FK video clips on her site, and I don't
want to infringe on her territory. This will most likely be the only
FK video clip I'll put up on my site. I'm doing it because I've only
seen this scene in the German and Spanish versions of the episode. A
friend who has copies of the first season master tapes tells me that
the scene is not on her master copy. It is not in the uncut Canadian
copies I have, either, and it surely is not in the Sci-Fi version. I
doubt Kristin has access to this scene, so I feel free to share it
with you. I have vidcaps of the scene on the Father Figure page, but
thought you might enjoy seeing the clip.

I've had trouble with .AVIs before, so if I get too many complaints
that people can't view the clip after they've gone to the trouble of
downloading it, I will remove it from the site. Better check it out,
just in case. <g>

Sorry for babbling on.... Enjoy!

Nancy :)

Nancy A. Taylor
nat1228@h.......
http://members.xoom.com/nancyt1228/archives.htm

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:00:48 -0600
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

> Here's a help page just incase it will help to download Nancy's clip:
> http://members.xoom.com/lfdodson/codec.html

I checked my codecs, and I do have the Intel Indeo 5.04 on my machine (as
well as about 10 others). Still no go. Nancy, which codec did you use?

Nancy Kaminski

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:59:03 -0500
From:    Marg Yamanaka <mytoronto@h.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

Nancy Kaminski wrote:
> FWIW, I downloaded it and my PC (brand new Dell, Windows 2000) tells me it
> is unable to decompress the video. The audio is fine, though.
>
> Anyone else got that problem?

It crashed my RealPlayer, but ACDSee played it just fine. The audio
is a bit 'buzzy' though.

--
Marg, in Toronto, the City of the Knight  <mytoronto@h.......>
Please visit the Upper Canada Connection -
A Canadian Tribute to Geraint Wyn Davies:
http://members.home.net/gwducc/index.htm

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:42:53 -0600
From:    Kristin Harris <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

Hi!

I downloaded it as well. It was unable to decompress right so what I got
from it was sound only. It downloaded fine but when I attempted to actually
open it, it brang up the decompress error. Normally avi movies work fine for
me and it seems others are having trouble too, so perhaps you mis-uploaded?
I don't know about that though since it seemed to download fine, just
un-openable.

Kristin

>>Very strange. It all runs fine on my machine. <shrug> I'll leave it up a
day or so, and see if *anyone* can view it. If not, I'll take it down. I
wish I could explain the problem. It's just a plain old .avi, nothing fancy.

Nancy Taylor
nat1228@h.......
http://members.xoom.com/nancyt1228/archives.htm

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:06:47 EST
From:    Dolpfin220@a.......
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

In a message dated 03/25/2000 11:13:16 PM Central Standard Time,
nancykam@m....... writes:

> unable to decompress the video. The audio is fine, though.
>
>  Anyone else got that problem?
>

Same problem here.... Have sound, no image....

Janet
<A HREF="Dolpfin220@a.......">Dolpfin220@a.......</A>

There is nothing so disagreeable, that a patient mind cannot find some solace
for it. -Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Roman philosopher (BC 3-65 AD)

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:25:21 CEST
From:    Simone Nicole Dornecker <moonwing@h.......>
Subject: Searching for Only The Lonely soundfiles

Due to my helping little bro I lost all my wav-files (!$%&!!).
Now I'm trying to restore them but I'm so far not been able to find a single
only the lonely wav-file. Has anybody an idea where to look ??
Seraching espechially for Natalie's Flashback wav-files.

I really would be really really happy if anyone could help me.

Simone

Simone Nicole Dornecker     Zwei Seelen wohnen ach! in meiner Brust,
Simone_Dornecker@y.......   Die eine will sich von der andern trennen;
Moonwing@h.......           Die eine haelt, in derber Liebeslust,
                            Sich an die Welt mit klammernden Organen;
                            Die andre hebt gewaltsam sich vom Dust
                            Zu den Gefilden hoher Ahnen.   (Faust)

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Date:    Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:31:01 PST
From:    Eric McCann <egmccann@h.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 22 Mar 2000 (#2000-86)

OK, a few days late, I've got to read my digests more often.

KnghtWtch@a....... wrote:
The speed of sound is actually determined by the size of the
>'aircraft.'  A MD80, Boeing 747, and an F14 all have a different speedto
>break the sound barrier because of their size and weight.  So if ahuman
>could fly, the speed would be a lot different.

Actually, no. The speed of sound does not rely at all on an object's shape
or size.  The amount of force it takes for that object to *break* the sound
barrier does.  The speed of sound relies on altitude and (as I recall)
temperature.  With enough force, you could make a brick go supersonic, but
you would find it much easier to make something pencil-shaped (say) go
supersonic.

So why does the F-14 have a "pointier" nose than (say) that 747 or Airbus?
The F-14 is designed to be able to go to supersonic speeds, and supersonic
and subsonic aerodynamics have different requirements. The blunt nose of
most airliners is actually *more* efficient at subsonic speeds than a pointy
nose.

Would a human (or rather, our vamps) go supersonic?  I suppose they could -
and somehow I think Screed would find it easiest. No hair, nice and
aerodynamic... though I'd think they'd find it very uncomfortable, first by
the buffetting they'd experience as they get closer to supersonic speeds
(they're hardly "optimized" for this) and second - well, I think they'd have
to get into a heckuva power "dive" to build up that kind of speed!

Just had to clear that up... did I?

-Eric
http://airmodeller.tripod.com

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Date:    Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:22:10 -0600
From:    "Kathryn E. Dexter" <kathryn-d@p.......>
Subject: A Lycos FK Club/Message Board/Chat area

Hello everyone,

    I'm coming out of lurkdom to tell you all that I just set up a "Club" at
Lycos.  The "clubs" home page is
http://clubs.lycos.com/AUTH/live/Directory/CommunityHome.asp?CG=ipdnfaivv79h
31om0188mmh8ec
And it's called Forever Knight @===}>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (no the
@===}>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not a typing error, it is part of the name.)
    Right now there is only one member (that would be me) but I hope that
more will follow.
    I hope that some of you will join and take advantage of some of the
incredible features that are available at the site.  You can post pictures,
create polls, chat rooms, and message boards.  You may even want to create
your own "Clubs."
    Thanks every one for listening to this lurker.
    *Waves good bye to every one*  I'll speak again later y'all.

            Kathryn Dexter (AKA Knightwolf)
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/7396/
Vachon: Cars are sexier with fins.  Don't you think?  More predatory.
Nick:  For me it's a question of trunk space.
Vachon:  Pragmatist.
    PS
    I have some up dates planed for the next few weeks at my home page at
Geocities.  Please visit me someday and tell me what you think.  The addy is
in my sig.

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Date:    Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:28:41 -0600
From:    "Kathryn E. Dexter" <kathryn-d@p.......>
Subject: YKYBRTMFKFFXOW...

You know you've been reading too many Forever Knight Fan Fiction X:overs
When...

You're reading K C Smith's X:Over Quest for Mortality and instead of reading
the Name Picard you read LaCroix.

Okay to messages in one day from this lurker are two too many.

Later y'all.

            Kathryn Dexter (AKA Knightwolf, SilverWolf, and Raven
SpiritWolf)
Proud Mortal Sibling, Unofficial Celtic Glow Worm, Unofficial FK Pagan
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/7396/
Vachon: Cars are sexier with fins.  Don't you think?  More predatory.
Nick:  For me it's a question of trunk space.
Vachon:  Pragmatist.

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:00:34 EST
From:    Marel D'arby <Avalon1449@a.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

In a message dated 26/03/00 05:55:42 GMT Daylight Time, nat1228@h........

> This is the scene in Father Figure where Nick is filling his wine
>bottles with blood from a barrel.<snip>This will most likely be the only
>  FK video clip I'll put up on my site. I'm doing it because I've only
>  seen this scene in the German and Spanish versions of the episode.

It appears in the version shown in the UK as well-- we have far fewer
commercial breaks I believe, so less is excised from the programmes.

>A  friend who has copies of the first season master tapes tells me that
>  the scene is not on her master copy. It is not in the uncut Canadian
>  copies I have, either, and it surely is not in the Sci-Fi version.

US/Canadian viewers do seem to have had a raw deal with the
omissions from various episodes. When the third season of Lexx
--with Nigel-- is shown eventually in the US, apparently 3 to 4
minutes will be routinely censored, on grounds of content, for US
consumption.

Marel

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:06:37 -0500
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: Rare FK video clip

I can't see it either, although my messages states , "Video not available,
cannot find vids:VCR2 decompressor."

--
Steph
stephke@i.......
http://www.fkvoyage.com
http://www.nimr.org
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
"If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun."  Katherine Hepburn

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Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:56:07 EST
From:    Phoenix348@a.......
Subject: Thoughts on FK Episode Production

Greetings all,

Something that I've found to be interesting is that there are several FK
episodes that I enjoy, not because they're my favorites based on plot
developments or what-have-you, but because they're just good/effective
productions.  I have a few in mind and wondered if anyone else also had
episodes that you enjoy as just good television productions aside from
general storyline considerations.

The example that comes to mind immediately is "Last Knight."  As far as plot
line, story and character development are concerned, this episode is
definitely not one of my favorites.  In spite of all of that though, I feel
compelled to watch it due to Ger's directing, the superb acting, the mood and
pace of the episode, the lighting and score, Nigel's speech as the thread
binding the episode's segments together (except for the infamous "peach"
line), the cohesion of the flashbacks, etc, etc...  In terms of overall
production, I thought that this was arguably one of the best FK episodes.  It
was, in a word, "effective."  The episode drew me in, held my attention and
absolutely wrecked my good mood at the time.  Anything that can draw me in
and envelope me in its mood like that is just good television, in my opinion.

Another episode that I would give high marks to in terms of production would
be "Avenging Angel."  The build at the end of the episode was an excellent
climax...Nick choosing to allow vengeance to take place...the flashback of
Nick taking vengeance himself...the police dispatcher trying to raise Nick on
the radio...Natalie trying to comfort Nick once he realizes that he's allowed
an innocent man to die...the flashback of the knife falling into the vent
followed by the immediate cut to ending credits.  Other than the dispatcher,
the conversation between Reese, Tracy and the girl in the interrogation room
and...most notably...Nigel's great monologue...there's no dialogue for almost
all of the last ten minutes of the episode.  The work of climax is mostly
accomplished by silent actors, great camera shots and Fred Mollin's
excellent-as-usual score.  As far as the main characters are concerned, I
thought that this was also a great episode for Reese.

Just a few thoughts that I decided to submit for discussion if anyone's
interested.  There are several other episodes worth mentioning as well in
terms of production.  I tend to enjoy the episodes that rely less on dialogue
and more on the actors for their overall communication to the audience, as
well as the ones that successfully integrate flashbacks without disrupting
the flow of the episode.

Agree or disagree?  Discuss.

Stephen Lansing
Phoenix348@a.......

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