FORKNI-L
Digest - 20 Mar 2000 to 21 Mar 2000 (#2000-84)
Tue, 21 Mar 2000
There are 21 messages totalling 581 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Questions about FK vampirism
2. Converts and Canonical Gaps (3)
3. Admin: McL decides re reminders
4. New KtK Ad! (2)
5. Hey! Yo.
6. Your Daily Vote & FK's Position (2)
7. Top of the Food Chain in NYC (6)
8. May be forced off list for awhile
9. More Top of the Food Chain in NYC
10. Oops -- Correct URL for charity fanzine
11. PAF Charity Donation in the name of FK Fans - 1st installment
12. Top of the Food Chain
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:21:25 -0500
From: Diane Harris <dharris@h.......>
Subject: Questions about FK vampirism
Well, I was brainstorming for a new piece of fanfiction and three questions
popped into my mind that I just couldn't answer.
1. Did LaCroix ever actually say he was 2000 years old, or did the fans
figure that out based on the year Pompeii was destroyed?
2. Has it ever been proven that the FK vampires cry blood? Every single
piece of fiction I've ever read always has them with red bloodtears
(including my own), but was this actually canon or is it just a trend that
developed out of fiction?
3. When Janette was brought back across, do you think she was put back at
square one or do you think she still had the age benefits of being 1000?
(FK vampires seem to have power that develops with age).
Thanks in advance!
Diane (dharris@h.......)
Hopeless NNPacker with strong Knightie / Dark Knightie tendencies and a hint
of FoDs for good measure...
www.his.com/~eschmid/Homepage.htm
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:46:39 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps
Wrote Monica the L.L.L.:> With that explanation of the ND scenario, I'm fine
with it. try it out,
> Kyer, it might fit ya. ;-)> of course, a healthy dose of your favorite
cheese may be necessary!
Cover it with Jalepeno Jack Soy Cheese, and I'll swallow *jest* about
anything! :)
I agree with Monica <gasp! multiple-Personae fall into a faint> because my
Paranoid Personae says all episodes that feature creepy crawlies (like worms
and Nightcrawlers) cannot possibly bode any good whatsoever.
Grins, :)=
Kyer, Loyal Squirette to the Knight de Brabant; Knight de Soir, CotK, One of
The Hungry, Le Miz, Immortal Beloved (yet flexible), Weird Knight, Queen O'
deTypos, Paranoid-Schitzoid Knightie with Multi-Personalities who's having a
blast and an angstfest at one and the same time! kyer@p.......
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:50:55 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Admin: McL decides re reminders
Diane Wrote
> Well, pardon me if this is a dumb idea, but couldn't you set it up as a
> topic (like adult, or v4s)? Then the readers who don't want the reminders
> could unsub themselves from it. I dunno, it was just a thought
:)
Ooooh!---Kyer likes that thought! <happily hands the Super Suit (dry clean
only) over to Diane.>
How about it Listmommy?
Kyer
kyer@p.......
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:38:23 EST
From: BJDFKFan@a.......
Subject: New KtK Ad!
The latest Kickstart the Knight ad is now up on the KtK website! For anyone
who would like to have a look at the ad, which was paid for with the funds
from the recent KtK auction, please visit the KtK web site. The ad is a
gorgeous artwork designed by the same artist who did the recent joint FK/The
Sentinel ad. We are very grateful to the artist and to all of you who bid in
the auction! The ad will run in the March 21, 2000 issue of Hollywood
Reporter. The KtK page is located at http://www.ktk.op.nu and the ad is in
the section titled "The Ads". (You may also go straight to the ad by using
http://members.aol.com/ktkpage/ad.htm but we would appreciate it if you would
go to the main page and look around a bit!) Enjoy!
Becky -- DFKS, DK, IB, DT, UF, Ravenette, Cousin, FOD
http://members.aol.com/BJDFKFan, http://members.aol.com/DKfanfic
We're cut adrift, but still floating. I'm only hanging on to watch you go
down...my love. (Bono, U2)
The world was bankrupted of ten million fine actions the night she passed on.
(paraphrased from Ray Bradbury's F. 451, in memory of Libby M.)
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:51:22 -0800
From: deb Quaife <totoq@m.......>
Subject: Re: Hey! Yo.
You could always try
http://www.vampirewine.com
Yes, it's true
deb
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:23:04 EST
From: Sss44@a.......
Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps
In a message dated 03/17/0 7:01:20 PM, you wrote:
<<Anyone interested in receiving a copy of the sound WAV that Deanie quoted,
just send me an e-mail off list. It is one of my favorites :-)
fk4ever
>>
I'd *love* to have a copy! Please forward to sss44@a.......
Thanks,
Scottie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:49:41 EST
From: "Doņa Angel D.S." <donaangel@h.......>
Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps
From: Monica Thadine Rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Monica referred to Kyer earlier post:
>And here is why I have trouble with believing the Near Death
>Scenario,<snip> <snip>Given such a lame spiel, *I* would probably have
>turned back too---especially iffen (like Serena) I didn't know that I would
>be returning as a vampire.
>
I think that they--the "prospective vamps-to-be" apparently in FK DO have
some type of experience as they are dying--and remember that Janette is
concerned that Nick might not 'come back' as he is in the process of being
'brought across'--and I DO like what Amy Rambo said recently about referring
to new vampires as "converts" and that term and her explanation that it
implies that one DOES have a choice as to whether or not he or she becomes a
vampire or 'goes onward' and dies--Thanks,Amy!-- one may have some kind of
choice presented to him or her--Serena specifically in "Baby, Baby" after
she 'woke up', and had no idea that she was becoming a vampire, said that
she had the most awful dream or nightmare, right? And Urs, in HoD, had told
Vachon to kill her (But he couldn't! *BVaqG*) and she seemed rather confused
after she 'woke up', as if maybe she wasn't expecting to even be alive or
undead--so I agree with what has been said previously that they MAY not know
that what's happening--i.e., that the NDE or 'dream' in which they are given
a choice--is REALLY happening, and the "guide" either may not be giving 'the
convert' "full disclosure" for what they are becoming, ya know, the 'liquid
diet' for the rest of their unlives, for starters *g*, or the converts' just
simply do not know that what they are experiencing is anything other than a
dream--and even in RL, some of our dreams may be pretty hard to
differentiate as being 'real' or not.*g* [And even in the cases where one
knows that they are are becoming a vampire--I assume that LC did say
SOMETHING about this when he gave Nick a choice before he bit him in the
first place--granted, his "choices" would have been either that LC kill him
outright or he becomes a vampire, but Nick doesn't "see" the negatives that
accompany the 2nd choice--{{{or maybe that's like the "fine print" in a
contract that LC may...skip over}}}-- until after he becomes a vamp--one
STILL is offered a choice by TPTB BEFORE finally "coming across" as a
vampire.]
And Monica said:
>I believe the Near Death Scenario was in fact a sort of >hallucination or
>something created in Nick's brain.
I could be mistaken here, but even today, when people have 'near death
experiences'-- SOME medical/scientific type people may explain them away as
hallucinations because the brain is losing oxygen or something--didn't Nat
even try to explain away or give a medical explanation to Nick in that
ep?--'course that doesn't explain how the folks who admit they have had a
NDE can see stuff that is happening in the say, operating room, [or hospital
corridor as in one case
I heard of] for example, after or as they "die" and before they "come back",
now does it? [And, BTW, not all NDE's are pleasant--there are some folks
who, during their NDE, do not wind up, as their ALMOST final destination, in
a 'place of light' and peace and goodness, but in a place of anguish, pain,
despair, what some of us would call "Hell".]
>The ideas of the Guide fit so well with what Nick believed, that he had to
>atone, and had lots more of it to do, etc., that it wasn't credible as
>anything more to me.
>
Well, the guides in Nick's 2 NDE's looked different--the first time, when he
was dying when LC was bringing him across, the "guide" was a woman, the 2nd
time, the guide explained that they were the same "guide" just looked
different that time--like LC, and don't know if he had any reason to expect
the first "guide" 7+ centuries ago in the first place.
>If there was something that contradicted his belief system, then it would
>have more credibility to me.
>
We don't know if Nick's 'belief system' as a 13th century Catholic and
Janette's as a Catholic from 1 or more centuries prior to that--would have
included the NDE, and my guess is the he & she would maybe have seen and
angel or some religious type figure or something/someone they knew if, as
Monica says were the case:
>So, if it was a lame spiel that was rather vague, I attribute it to Nick
>not knowing how to explain things to himself any better. Just like in a
>dream, you can't dream about a calculus equation if you don't know how they
>work. <snip>
>
Well, I humbly and respectfully disagree *g*. Remember that in "Near
--Death", Janette told Nick that she, too, had a 'near death experience' and
that LaCroix 'called her back'--her's MAY have been different than Nick's,
maybe a different looking place-grassy field or something(?) but she DID
have one. In the beginning of that ep, the guy who died PLUS his
co-researcher, Diane, both seemed to have been in a desert-like/sandy place
like Nick was "in" when they each had their 'near death experiences'--IF it
was a "hallucination"--persons, I do not believe all would have the same
"hallucination"--could they? And, Janette, like Nick, did experience
'something' as she was dying when LC was 'bringing her across', and Nick
apparently was not aware of Janette's experience until the "present day"
when he asked her.
AND, keep in mind that LaCroix was somehow aware that SOMETHING happened
when one was in the process of becoming a vampire, because he knew that he
had to "call" his "children" back from the 'brink of death' and the
appropriate time in the process to "call" them back.--How would he have
known to do this unless either it also happened to him and/or other vampires
had told him this?
Thank you! And, BTW, I really enjoy reading all the very thoughtful
responses ya'll have been sharing in this discussion!
~~Angel a.k.a. Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Vaquera/Willing Slave of THE Glorious Spaniard/Future Proud Vaq
Brat/VaqDreamer/INCArnate/Immortal Beloveds/Ravenette/
Faithfuls/Urchin/DH/The Crew/CW/BBFC
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:33:14 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Your Daily Vote & FK's Position
In a message dated 3/18/00 1:51:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, nat1228@h.......
writes:
<< Must we be reminded of this almost daily? I know I have a delete key, but
I'm wearing the darn thing out! Wouldn't once a week be more than enough?
>>
I personally like it. When I check mail everyday I get so involved with it I
forget to vote. Then when I see the riminder on list, I stop what I'm doing
and vote. The reminder may be the reason FK is back up to #4.
KnightWitch ;-]=
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:50:37 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Top of the Food Chain in NYC
In a message dated 3/20/00 4:07:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
justallie@e....... writes:
<< "Top of the Food Chain" will be the second film featured at the
"Blame Canada!" film series starting next month at the Walter Reade
Theater at the Lincoln Center in New York City.
Written by FK writers/producers Larry Lalonde and Phil Bedard, this
hilarious sci-fi spoof also features Nigel Bennett in an
unforgettable role! FK fans in the New York area can view the film
on April 14, 15, or 18. For additional information see the
festival's web page:
>>
Since this was posted on the 20th I'm afraid us New Yorkers missed it!! Booo
whooo whoooo.
KnightWitch ;-{{{{{{{=
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 04:07:51 EST
From: MRKKaye@a.......
Subject: Re: Top of the Food Chain in NYC
In a message dated 3/21/2000 3:51:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
KnghtWtch@a....... writes:
<< on April 14, 15, or 18. For additional information see the
festival's web page:
>>
Since this was posted on the 20th I'm afraid us New Yorkers missed it!! Booo
whooo whoooo.
>>
Calm down - you must really be working hard not to have noticed we're still
in March. There's actually time to plan a get-together for one of these - the
14th & 15th are a week-end.
Marla K.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:43:39 -0500
From: "Brenda F. Bell" <bfbell@d.......>
Subject: Re: Top of the Food Chain in NYC
At 04:07 AM 3/21/00 EST, Marla K. wrote:
>Calm down - you must really be working hard not to have noticed we're still
>in March. There's actually time to plan a get-together for one of these - the
>14th & 15th are a week-end.
Annmarie <mailto:wench@a.......> also mentioned the possibility of a
get-together on the announcements list (fkloop@o.......). I'd suggest
that anyone from this list interested in going contact her as well.
Brenda F. Bell IRC nick: T`Mana
bfbell@d.......
webwarren@e.......
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:31:28 PST
From: Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......>
Subject: Re: New KtK Ad!
http://members.aol.com/ktkpage/ad.htm
The new ad is magnificent! Thank you for allowing us all to view it. How
could they resist?
Gwenn
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:42:07 EST
From: MrsMech@a.......
Subject: Re: May be forced off list for awhile
I apologize PROFOUNDLY (Notice the caps to express my profound apologies?
<G>) for this, but can Lisa Harvey contact me please? Please do this offline
at the addy below.
Thanks and apologies!!
Monique
MrsMech@a.......
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:54:10 EST
From: EnidKnight@a.......
Subject: More Top of the Food Chain in NYC
I'm with Marla!
How about all NY/NJ FK fans get together?!
I know exactly where the Walter Reade Theater is.
(I went to High School right across the street.<g>)
Let's support FK alumni!
With respect,
Enid Rodriguez (EnidKnight@a.......)
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:21:09 -0500
From: Annmarie <wench@a.......>
Subject: Re: Top of the Food Chain in NYC
At 07:43 AM 3/21/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Annmarie <mailto:wench@a.......> also mentioned the possibility of a
>get-together on the announcements list (fkloop@o.......). I'd suggest
>that anyone from this list interested in going contact her as well.
Hi Brenda :) Thanks! Yes, please feel free to contact me. So far, from the
replies it looks like Saturday night is the most popular.
Annmarie
wench@a.......
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:03:12 -0500
From: Cindy Ingram <cgi271@a.......>
Subject: Oops -- Correct URL for charity fanzine
Hi, all
When I recently posted the notice about the second printing of the FK
charity zine, "A Taste of Forever," I used the old URL for the zine page.
So sorry. For those interested, here's the correct one:
http://people.mn.mediaone.net/nancykam/fanzines.html
Thanks!
Cindy Ingram
<cgi271@a.......>
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people
very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:07:53 -0500
From: Quinn <quinn@g.......>
Subject: Re: Top of the Food Chain in NYC
Are you interested in going up to NYC to see this?
Quinn
GWDFC officer quinn@g.......
GWD Fan Club page--> http://www.gwdfc.org/ , http://www.gwdfc.com/
Want updates on GWD? e-mail GWDupdates-subscribe@o.......
Like Robson Green? e-mail RobsonGreenFans-subscribe@o.......
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:42:59 -0500
From: Quinn <quinn@g.......>
Subject: Re: Top of the Food Chain in NYC
Opps - obviously that was meant to go privately. But hey! Everybody go see
the movie!!!!!
Quinn
GWDFC officer quinn@g.......
GWD Fan Club page--> http://www.gwdfc.org/ , http://www.gwdfc.com/
Want updates on GWD? e-mail GWDupdates-subscribe@o.......
Like Robson Green? e-mail RobsonGreenFans-subscribe@o.......
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:34:15 -0600
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: PAF Charity Donation in the name of FK Fans - 1st installment
<permission given to forward this email to any other FK list>
I just made a donation in the amount of $60 to the Pediatric Aids Foundation via
their online site in the name of the Fans of Forever Knight (YEAH!!!!). This is
just the first installment (of several, I hope!!!), but I wanted to go ahead and
get it done. It included referral bonuses I received as well as separate
donations.
FACTION CHALLENGE UPDATE:
I can't give you the exact numbers, because that info is stored on my home
computer, but I know for a fact that the Vaqueros/Vaqueras are leading the pack,
with N&N Packers close behind.
If you've missed some of the emails in the last week, and are wondering what the
heck is going on, see my sig line. If that's still not clear, then email me
offlist, and I'll explain in detail.
************************************************************************
Carla - copper6500@y.......
Sign up for PayPal using this link and get a $5 bonus for each of us!
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Bonuses and any additional $$ received by me will be donated to the Pediatric
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has been issued, and referral bonuses and additional donations may be credited
to the faction of your choice.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:41:46 -0800
From: Rayne <rayne_koest@y.......>
Subject: Top of the Food Chain
Just out of curiosity ( I was no mail for a while), have
any of those of us who have seen the movie report to the
list on what we thought? I'm sure there must have been a
few reports since it's been out a couple of weeks now here
(Canada).
~ Rayne
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:57:56 -0600
From: Kristin Harris <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: Your Daily Vote & FK's Position
Hi!
This is just a reminder for you to add your daily vote on the Global 100
Charts.
Soon I am going to start announcing "weekly" rather than daily. Why? Because
you are replacing your votes from before when you vote each day to keep them
100% value. They should still remain 100% value after a week too. So I'm
going to start reminding once a week instead starting Friday.
To vote go here: http://www.global100.com/item.asp?Item=51259
*We could really use the help of those wo have never voted before.*
Currently it remains in the #4 position unofficially.(this is what needs to
increase so it will officially).
Officially it is in the #7 position.
Thanks for participating!
Kristin
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