There are 22 messages totalling 622 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Inka ??? (3) 2. The Ftp site (4) 3. precinct 4. Converts and Canonical Gaps (6) 5. AWARDS: Looking for Authors (help!) 6. AAAGGGHHH!!! 7. Looking for a website owner 8. Question for fan fiction (3) 9. Your Daily Vote & FK's *increased* :) Position 10. Admin: Moratorium on Faction Challenge ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:33:31 CET From: Simone Nicole Dornecker <moonwing@h.......> Subject: Inka ??? Does anybody here has an idea if Vachon's "brother" who's manly known as the Inka has been really an Inka?? Or was he an Aztec? (Always thought that area was Aztecish) Or maybe he was an Olmec, Toltec, Teotiuacan or an Mayan ?? Help !!! Simone Nicole Dornecker Zwei Seelen wohnen ach! in meiner Brust, Simone_Dornecker@y....... Die eine will sich von der andern trennen; Moonwing@h....... Die eine haelt, in derber Liebeslust, Sich an die Welt mit klammernden Organen; Die andre hebt gewaltsam sich vom Dust Zu den Gefilden hoher Ahnen. (Faust) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:25:16 -0500 From: Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......> Subject: Re: The Ftp site The ftp site it at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic There maybe stories there that aren't on Mel's site, but she sure does have more than me! -- Steph stephke@i....... http://www.fkvoyage.com ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/ http://www.nimr.org "The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as Ishmael "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." Katherine Hepburn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:31:33 -0500 From: Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......> Subject: Re: The Ftp site After replying to Kyer about the ftp site I thought I would ask the writers of the list that don't give permission to archive at the ftp site---why not? Is that you don't know that it exists, don't want to? --etc. -- Steph stephke@i....... http://www.fkvoyage.com ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/ http://www.nimr.org "The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as Ishmael "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." Katherine Hepburn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:33:14 EST From: Phoenix348@a....... Subject: Re: precinct In a message dated 3/16/00 3:22:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrodri14@u....... writes: << What precinct did Nick and Tracy work in? >> The 96th Stephen Lansing Phoenix348@a....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:53:05 -0500 From: Amanda R Cleveland <arclevel@m.......> Subject: Re: Inka ??? >Does anybody here has an idea if Vachon's "brother" who's manly known as the >Inka has been really an Inka?? "Pizzaro had laid an ambush at Lake Titicaca." --Vachon, Black Buddha 2 Pizzaro was the conquistador who slaughtered the Incas. Cortez was responsible for the Aztecs. The Mayan civilization, I believe, was already pretty much gone by the Spanish exploration and colonization period. Lake Titicaca is on the border of Peru and Bolivia, which was home top the Incan civilization. Both the Mayans and Aztecs lived in Mexico. I don't know anything about the Olmec, Toltec, and Teotiuacan nations, but based on the above statement and the name given to the Inca, I think we can asssume that he was indeed an Inca. Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:59:23 -0700 From: Kyer <kyer@p.......> Subject: Re: Inka ??? Simone Nicole asked: > Does anybody here has an idea if Vachon's "brother" who's mainly known as the> Inka has been really an Inka?? Or was he an Aztec? (Always thought that area> was Aztecish)> Or maybe he was an Olmec, Toltec, Teotiuacan or an Mayan > Vachon said he was in Peru with Pizarro's army, so that would make 'the Inka' one of the tribal people who were under 'The Inka' spiritual leader/god of the Quechuan tribe which ruled from what is now northern Ecuador, to Chile. Actually, 'Inka' referred only to the chief Inkan and, later, to those of Quechuan blood. I highly doubt that the FK 'Inka' was actually Inkan as his earlobes are lacking the holes they would have had for the golden decorations that that tribe wore as 'Children of the Sun',(or gold and silver if he was not of pure Inkan blood, but another, priveleged tribe). You could say that these were healed by the vampire, but since they would have been pierced and extended when he was only an adolesent...? Kyer Who loves Quechuan crafts with a passion that drives her family crazy. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:15:56 -0700 From: Kyer <kyer@p.......> Subject: Re: The Ftp site > I thought I would ask the writers of> the list that don't give permission to archive at the ftp site---why not? Is> that you don't know that it exists, don't want to? --etc. Honestly, Kyer (she of little brain), always thought the ftp site was just a mirror site for Mel's, and I was already used to the way Mel's archive is set up. No slight intended. So...how do we writers send them to the ftp? Any particular note in the opening of newly posted fic? Any protocol for sending old fic? Kyer kyer@p....... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1980 16:49:51 -0800 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps Another piece of terminology I picked up on, from Unreality TV--Nick complains to Janette that he can't "control" Tawney Teller, to make her forget. Also, canon is contradictory about this business of blood carrying thoughts and/or feelings. Francesca is very clear about it, but earlier episodes show, for example, Nick not knowing whether the French Resistance woman he just drained was a traitor or not. Here's a suggestion: individual differences--sometimes you just get the blood, sometimes there's only strong emotions, sometimes you get everything. Your humble & obedient servant, Ligeia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:45:41 -0500 From: Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......> Subject: Re: The Ftp site Kyer, You can just add "to the ftp site" in with the line like you do for Mel's site. You can send them to me at stephke@i....... Please put in the subject line FK Fiction. As far as old fiction, it would be better to add the line, but I have gotten an email from Judy Freudenthal that has given my blanket permission for all her stories. I will be putting it in her directory for reference. So I guess you can send me an email stating such and I wil do the same thing. -- Steph stephke@i....... http://www.fkvoyage.com http://www.nimr.org "The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as Ishmael "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." Katherine Hepburn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:58:36 -0500 From: FK Awards <fkawards@f.......> Subject: AWARDS: Looking for Authors (help!) Please forward... Hello all, In trying to track down all the authors receiving nominations in the Awards, I've been able to find all but a handful. I'm sure some of these authors are out there somewhere, some of them still involved in FK Fandom, some of them not. Since most of us change email addresses quite often, it's easy to lose track of some people. I I may have more of these down the road, but in the meantime, here's a few that I'm looking to get in contact with. When I tried to contact them through their last given email addies (on their fan fiction), the email bounced. Thus, if any of these people are around (perhaps, one of them is you and you just don't realize that you're lost <g>) or you have an idea where any of these people can be found (email addies), please let me know PRIVATELY, i.e. offlist. There's no guarantee, either, at this point that these author's stories have made the final ballot, but in case they do, I want to allow a good amount of time in which to track them down. If authors who's stories have been nominated and make the final ballot cannot be found, I will have to, unfortunately, withdraw their nominated works from the Awards. Thanks ahead of time, Mel I'm looking for the following authors (3/16/00): -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHOR LAST KNIGHT EMAIL ADDY Karen Butt <khb@n.......> Kim Colley <kcolley@f.......> Laurie Schlagel <lschlag@r.......> Sarah Welsh <welshkin@d.......> VampWrtr <vampwrtr@i.......> or <vampwrtr@a.......> Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......> Valerie Meachum Sharon S. Scott <scotts@b.......> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:fkawards@f....... 1999 Forever Knight Fan Fiction Awards http://www.fkfanfic.com/awards/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:15:53 -0800 From: tigrlady2u@j....... Subject: AAAGGGHHH!!! Okay, that does it!! I am gonna KILL those dogs!!!! If anyone has a copy of my story 'More Than Friends', can you send to me? The @$%?*!! dogs ate the disk I had it on!! Thanks! KC Smith tigrlady2u@j....... Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies. Light Cousin/Unholy Trinity. "I've never met a chocolate I didn't like." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 0100 23:02:53 -0500 From: James Walkswithwind <gila@j.......> Subject: Looking for a website owner About a year ago (or so?) a woman emailed me about a story of mine, and I gave her permission to put it on her site (or a recommendation? I believe it was the story). I have since lost her name, and URL. If she is out there, or if someone has seen a story called "Eyes of a Child" on someone's website, could you please send me the URL? I would appreciate it. Thanks. James Kythe Walkswithwind "The man pulling radishes gila@j....... pointed the way with a radish." --Issa, 18th cent. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:56:54 PST From: Lisa Harvey <lmharvey@h.......> Subject: Question for fan fiction Hello! I am beta reading a story for someone not on the list, and she would like to know how to say 'my love' in Latin. Thanks in advance! Lisa -- lmharvey@h....... http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/darkknight/79 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:54:03 +1300 From: Knightraven <knightraven@c.......> Subject: Re: Question for fan fiction > Lisa -- lmharvey@h....... > I am beta reading a story for someone not on the list, and she would like to > know how to say 'my love' in Latin. > I beleive it is, mea carus. knightraven@c....... http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/knightraven ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:59:42 EST From: Jlkerr1228@a....... Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps In a message dated 03/16/00 8:24:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, agottfre@t....... writes: > Also, canon is contradictory about this business of blood carrying > thoughts and/or feelings. Francesca is very clear about it, but earlier > episodes show, for example, Nick not knowing whether the French > Resistance woman he just drained was a traitor or not. Here's a > suggestion: individual differences--sometimes you just get the blood, > sometimes there's only strong emotions, sometimes you get everything. > Wasn't Francesca the only vampire we were shown that killed her victims by stabbing them in the heart, then draining their blood? I think she or Nick explained that the sudden death sweetened the blood, or heightened the kick somehow. When Nick drank the blood she gave him, he knew it was different right away, and recognized it as the violinist. Maybe it's her procurement method that allows the blood to carry the clarity of the mortals thoughts or feelings, whereas normally they wouldn't sense it as strongly. J L Kerr jlkerr1228@a....... hometown.aol.com/jlkerr7864/f_knight/fiction.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:16:50 EST From: MadiHolmes@a....... Subject: Re: Question for fan fiction In a message dated 03/16/00 10:27:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, lmharvey@h....... writes: << I am beta reading a story for someone not on the list, and she would like to know how to say 'my love' in Latin. >> depends on the context, you could say "mea voluptas" (for women)or "deliciae meae" or "Meus amor" <for men>(but the first two are better) MadiHolmes Cousine Formidable/GSS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:08:13 -0700 From: Kyer <kyer@p.......> Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps Ligeia wrote: (about vampires reading emotions in the blood) Here's a> suggestion: individual differences--sometimes you just get the blood,> sometimes there's only strong emotions, sometimes you get everything. Individual differences might also explain why some 'vintages' are considered superior to others. An artists memories might be preferred over a homeless man's, but maybe not all blood is able to 'keep' and 'transfer' the feelings of the owner. Maybe it also has something to do with the 'donor's' spirituality? I keep reading in fanfic that Nicholas' blood is considered of high quality---that it is 'sweet'. Maybe its not so much that Nick has these certain emotions, as that his blood is great at conveying them? Mused, : / Kyer kyer@p....... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:50:40 -0600 From: Kristin Harris <kris1228@s.......> Subject: Your Daily Vote & FK's *increased* :) Position Hi! This is just a reminder for you to add your daily vote on the Global 100 Charts. To vote go here: http://www.global100.com/item.asp?Item=51259 *We could really use the help of those wo have never voted before.* Currently it has rose to the #5 position unofficially! :)(this is what needs to increase so it will officially). Officially it is in the #7 position. Kristin P.S. Happy St. Patrick's Day!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:28:14 EST From: DeanieBTVS@a....... Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps In a message dated 3/17/00 1:15:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jlkerr1228@a....... writes: > Maybe it's her procurement > method that allows the blood to carry the clarity of the mortals thoughts or > feelings, whereas normally they wouldn't sense it as strongly. <<Nick: You have to understand that every drop of blood has your whole life in it. It's not just our food; it's the way we feel life. Imagine if you could know someone's soul, just by sharing their blood. Everything you know, everything you are, transformed into touch and taste. Imagine the temptation to take just one sip. One sip, and then another, and another. To take them inside you and know every secret. To let them know yours. To _be_ them... That's why it's such a hard habit to break.>> As this speech clearly indicates, according to Nick in "Francesca," it's not just Francesca's methods that intensifies the feelings absorbed from a victim. This can also be seen in "Last Knight" when Nick bites Nat -- she gets a sudden rush of his memories, experiences his flashbacks. Of course, as has been pointed out already, this view of vampire biting has been contradicted in several other episodes... Deanie *** Nick and Nat Packer *** Dark Perk *** KoC *** Dark NN *** Knightie *** ***Official Doctor to be of the Dark Nat Pack ***GWDFC*** Vaquera *** ***Keeper of Angel's vigil at Buffy's bedside ("Earshot")*** ***Keeper of Kate's badge and gun**Keeper of Xander and Anya's first kiss*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:43:38 -0500 From: mclisa@m....... Subject: Admin: Moratorium on Faction Challenge I've sent Carla and Bonnie a private note about this, and I apologize if they haven't seen it yet. For various reasons, I'm going to have to ask that the Faction challenge in connection with PayPal be confined to the Onelist Forkni-l. I'll be happy to talk about it offlist, but please, send correspondence to mclisa@m......., offlist. Thanks. Cousin McLisa (Lisa McDavid) "That will be Trouble." mclisa@m....... Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:06:48 -0500 From: br1035@i....... Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps Ligeia wrote: <snip>Also, canon is contradictory about this business of blood carrying >thoughts and/or feelings. Francesca is very clear about it, but earlier >episodes show, for example, Nick not knowing whether the French >Resistance woman he just drained was a traitor or not. <snip> Okay, I do have a cheesy rationalization for this that I abuse in fanfic frequently. Nick speaks of the blood carrying 'everything,' but I don't interpret that 'everything' as being a physical presence. A memory is associated with the brain, not albumin, platelets, yadayada, and I can't really picture memories being secreted as so many hormones. I excuse the blood knowledge as more of a psychic transfer thing, accessing what we might call the life force, mental state or soul of the victim at that moment. This is to say that, if the victim is a clear, focused, organized kind of person, that is the manner their thoughts and feelings translate. If they have a lot on their mind or they tend to be scatterbrained, their thoughts and feelings come across in a scattered fashion. If the drinkee is a person who tends to close off their emotions, they are a habitual liar, or they are involved in subterfuge (and this is my rationalization for the French resistance spy), their thoughts and emotions are just as shielded to the vampire. Then there's the question of, if blood carries knowledge, do vampires learn anything when they neck with other vampires? If you consider it in a spiritual sense, then the answer is simply 'they don't, because 1) they don't have a life force, and 2) they've lost their souls.' On the other hand, if you center on the fact that FK vamps are definitely thinking, feeling creatures, then it seems likely they can transfer mental states through their blood. Unless they wanted to spill secrets every time they nibble on each other, they would have to gain some skills in shielding their thoughts/emotions. I picture LaCroix and Janette being very good at this. Nick perhaps less so, because of a persistent integrity, but that's just my fanciful conjecture about the state of vampire intimacy. <waves> *************************************************************************** Bonnie Rutledge......<br1035@i.......>......Evil - The Puppy Says So! Nunkies Anonymous Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~br1035/nunkies.html Spare Bambi! I Play With Voodoo Dolls. LaCroix for President - 2000! "I tend to avoid consuming green beverages as a rule." Happy Saint Patrick's Day!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:45:05 EST From: Jlkerr1228@a....... Subject: Re: Converts and Canonical Gaps In a message dated 03/17/00 12:47:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, DeanieBTVS@a....... writes: > As this speech clearly indicates, according to Nick in "Francesca," it's not > just Francesca's methods that intensifies the feelings absorbed from a > victim. This can also be seen in "Last Knight" when Nick bites Nat -- she > gets a sudden rush of his memories, experiences his flashbacks. > You are right, of course, there are clearly contradictions in the series as a whole ... but it's possible that when Nick was talking to Nat in Francesca, he was mainly referring to his memories related to his flashback ... although, his actual words imply a broader meaning. As for Last Knight, I'm not convinced the images we saw flashing on the screen were being seen by Natalie. I remember my first impression was that they were Nick's thoughts and memories, and he was the one seeing them. J L Kerr jlkerr1228@a....... hometown.aol.com/jlkerr7864/f_knight/fiction.htm ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 (#2000-79) **************************************************************
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