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Digest - 21 Feb 2000 to 22 Feb 2000 (#2000-53)

Tue, 22 Feb 2000

There are 21 messages totalling 630 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. trivia question (3)
  2. These Our Revels
  3. FK Season 3 Bible (5)
  4. The Weird Knights faction
  5. OT Ack!!!!!
  6. whew!
  7. Amanda Cohen
  8. *Special "Last Act" Cut-out Seen Only in Candian Version*
  9. Questions about Tran
 10. Similarities to FK
 11. Interesting Conversations (2)
 12. 3rd season Bible Tracey (2)
 13. GWD music CD information

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:05:05 -0800
From:    Susan Clark <sclark@b.......>
Subject: trivia question

Trivia (for me) and FK Alum report.

I saw "Titus" the other day, and one of the folks in it is Colm Feore. The
imdb says he was "Walken" in the FK ep "Blood Money".

What episode/role is that?

And, for those interested, Feore plays Marcus Andronicus, tribune and
brother to Anthony Hopkins' Titus.

--Sue

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:28:50 EST
From:    Lori Dehn <valideh1@h.......>
Subject: These Our Revels

Hey everybody...if you can afford to buy a second, third, thirtieth copy of
These Our Revels, go to Amazon.com and support our cause right now!  It's
listed as a quick pick on the homepage.

I was so excited, I almost fell over.

Lori Dehn
Nick & Nat Packer with
definite Ravenette and Vaquera
tendencies, and just a
smackerel of Cousin for Flavor

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:55:40 -0600
From:    CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......>
Subject: Re: trivia question

That's the ep where Nick's financial advisor gets blown to smithereens and
the advisors' son is the prime suspect. Also the ep where we get a hint of
Nick's wealth via the papers for the DeBrabant foundation accounts.

At 02:05 PM 2/21/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Trivia (for me) and FK Alum report.
>
>I saw "Titus" the other day, and one of the folks in it is Colm Feore. The
>imdb says he was "Walken" in the FK ep "Blood Money".
>
>What episode/role is that?
>
>And, for those interested, Feore plays Marcus Andronicus, tribune and
>brother to Anthony Hopkins' Titus.
>
>--Sue
>

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:35:20 -0500
From:    Tracysue <tracysue@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 Bible

"Susan M. Garrett" wrote:

> I have, quite by accident, come across a copy of part of the Forever Knight
> Season 3 Bible.  This is the document we were told didn't exist when the
> books were being written.

How on earth did this document fall into your hot little hands?

It's an interesting read, as much for what it doesn't say as what it says.

It pretty much confirms all that we thought that USA wanted out of FK: Sexier,
darker, more lurid.

No mention of Nat. (other than a possible episode in which she takes a
vacation to search for a cure.  I don't remember seeing any third season ep
like that.  Any guess as to what it evolved into?)  However, that small blurb
on the ep. kinda' dispels the rumor that they were going to write her out in
favor of Tracy Vetter.

Considering the lack of character direction, it's a small wonder that they
wrote her so negatively that season.

Lots of emphasis on Tracy, Vachon et. al.  Another small wonder that they
seemed to be shoved down our throats in the first part of season.

The character description of Tracy could be summed up in one word.  Perky.

It was interesting to see all the planning That went into Vachon's Crew.  A
few of those Vampires didn't make the cut.  (no mention of the Inca. )  It
might have been nice to see the other members of the Lost Boys make an
appearance.

--
Tracy Sue
Vaquera
"I keep expecting TS to jump up and shout, 'Hello, my name is Tracy Sue
Morris.  You insulted my Spaniard!  Prepare to die!'"-KC Susan

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:34:38 EST
From:    Yosh1228@a.......
Subject: Re: The Weird Knights faction

Sign me up Kyer!

Danii,
Female of many factions.
Paranoid Knight-ie

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:55:48 -0500
From:    br1035@i.......
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 Bible

Susan Garrett wrote:
<snip> I have, quite by accident, come across a copy of part of the Forever
Knight
>> Season 3 Bible.  This is the document we were told didn't exist when the
>> books were being written.<snip>

Thank you so much for sharing this with us! It was thought-provoking, and I had
a hoot over some of the descriptions.

Tracy Sue wrote:
<snip>The character description of Tracy could be summed up in one word.
Perky.<snip>

Yeah, but what about that 'repressed sexuality' bit? I'm pondering that nugget
still.
What's that I hear? The horrified gasps of the DP Mafia, shouting
'Foregeddaboudit!'?
On the other hand, considering my own Vaquera-ish tendencies, this goes a long
way
toward explaining Tracy's restraint during the 'Black Buddha' shower scene.

<snip>It was interesting to see all the planning That went into Vachon's Crew.
A
>few of those Vampires didn't make the cut.  (no mention of the Inca. )  It
>might have been nice to see the other members of the Lost Boys make an
>appearance.<snip>

Honestly, I would have loved to have seen the two Crew members that never made
it
to the screen, moreso than Urs and Bourbon. I loved the description they give
for B, though, and he was definitely a good balance for Screed. And as I'm sure
Libby is ready to point out, Screed was obviously the ultimate manifestation
of this sexier, SEXIER season! <G>

<waves>

**************************************************************************
Bonnie Rutledge.....<br1035@i.......>.....Evil - The Puppy Says So!
Nunkies Anonymous Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~br1035/nunkies.html
Spare Bambi!                                LaCroix for President - 2000!

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:17:32 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 Bible

In a message dated 2/21/00 6:56:12 PM Central Standard Time,
br1035@i....... writes:

> And as I'm sure
>  Libby is ready to point out, Screed was obviously the ultimate manifestation
>  of this sexier, SEXIER season! <G>
hehehehehehe! I do have to laugh at USA wanting more Sex and then the member
of the Crew that does make it to the show could probably be described as more
"anti sexy" than sexy!

Greg Kramer did tell me that Screed was originally suppose to be a sort of
messenger type but he didn't know where that idea had come from or "where it
went."

For those of you who might wonder, show bibles are often vague. I once was
hired to write one (though I got ripped off big time by not being paid -
that's another story). As much as I wanted to flesh out the characters, I was
reminded that some of the development would have to come in the actual
writing of the scripts as we could really see how the characters mingled.

The episode ideas listed where probably JUST that - episode ideas to use or
not use as they saw what developed.  For the bible I wrote, I think I listed
something like 20 or so ideas in much the same format seen here.

ALthough there's some of the things from the 3rd season bible that didn't
make it I would have LOVED to have seen, there some things I'm sure glad
didn't make it. Like the rest of the Crew. ALthough the characters were very,
VERY interesting and I'd have liked to have seen them, I think it would have
distracted from the already existing and more major characters even more.

Did that make sense? If so, it is the first time today I've made sense!

--Libs

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:42:25 -0600
From:    Drew Nix <snix@a.......>
Subject: Re: OT Ack!!!!!

<KC throws rose petals and holy oil at the altar of the Computer God Packard to
wish Laurie a speedy cyber recovery>

KC
snix@a.......

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:52:49 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: whew!

I'm up and running again.  My computer, although giving *me* dire doomsday
messages, booted up just fine for the nice men at the computer store.  It did
have bad sectors on the hard drive, which the nice men kindly fixed for me.
Crisis averted, kingdom saved, populace rejoicing. <g>

All this has served to show me, yes, I *am* addicted to my email. <g>

Dodging the bullet,
Laurie of  the Isles
"A male gynocolgist is kind of like a mechanic who has never owned a car."

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Date:    Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:16:13 -0600
From:    Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: Amanda Cohen

From http://www.thesmokinggun.com/millionaire/millionaire.shtml

about the "marry a millionaire" show on Fox last week.   We've
discovered where Capt. Cohen *really* went!

But almost immediately after the show aired February 15, news
reports questioned whether Rockwell, a comedian/motivational
speaker/real estate developer, was really wealthy--or just a
publicity hound. Click here for an old Rockwell promotional headshot
or click here for his performance bio (both courtesy of the
resourceful Amanda Cohen).

-Carla


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Date:    Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:45:47 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: trivia question

In a message dated 02/21/2000 4:03:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
sclark@b....... writes:

<< And, for those interested, Feore plays Marcus Andronicus, tribune and
 brother to Anthony Hopkins' Titus. >>

Oh *wow*.   Nice work if you can get it.  That's some company he's keeping.

Laurie of  the Isles
"A male gynocolgist is kind of like a mechanic who has never owned a car."

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Date:    Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:05:40 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <sandragray@r.......>
Subject: Re: *Special "Last Act" Cut-out Seen Only in Candian Version*

Kristin wrote:
>If any of you know what's
>in Canada and not shown in the U.S. please tell me. I'd be eternally
>grateful!

That depends on what U.S. version you're talking about.  When
Sci Fi Channel was showing FK, they did their own "creative"
cutting of the Canadian version of the show, which made the
SFC version different from what aired originally in the US
on CBS in first season.

As far as I know, it's only the first season of the show that
has separate versions.  I've heard tell (but never seen) that
the European version of first season has some nude female
scenes.  I've heard that the FK actors objected and that they
stopped filming the nude scenes after the first few eps.

Hmmm...I haven't compared the USA/syndicated version of second
and third seasons to the SFC airings to know whether SFC cut
anything out of them too.  Anyone know?  But afaik, second
and third seasons in their *original* showings in both the US
and Canada were the same.

>Thanks and I hope you all enjoy the clip!

While I haven't viewed this clip, I would like to say that
I really enjoy your site.

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--sandragray@r.......

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:28:49 -0800
From:    Cousin Mary <anteros@j.......>
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 Bible

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:55:48 -0500 br1035@i....... writes:

>Tracy Sue wrote:
><snip>The character description of Tracy could be summed up in one
>word. Perky.<snip>

Hmm, actually I don't know about that.  All that stuff about the 'hurt at
an early age' and 'competent to a fault ' don't really jazz with the
later 'almost nave optimism' schtick.  Think it works better as an act
she projects to the world rather than her true nature.    The thing about
her resenting Nick though... I like it :)

Oh, but what about the Vachon description?  Vachon a bookish coffee house
guy with a goatee?  *mary pauses to listen to the hairband fans scream*
Yep kiddies, Yuppie Vachon to the rescue!  Heheh.  I'm sorry but I'm not
entirely sure Vachon was even literate... wait, he -did- sign his name in
Blackwing...  hmm, warrants more thought.   (hey, 'Warrant' that was a
hairband wasn't it? <eg>)

BTW- Chong would have rocked.  'Nough said :)

hugs!

Cousin Mary
anteros@j.......
I'm a DP Thug, ask me how!
http://www.geocities.com/cousin_mary1228

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Date:    Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:36:34 -0400
From:    "T. Floyd" <jflyer@b.......>
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 Bible

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cousin Mary" <anteros@j.......>

: Oh, but what about the Vachon description?  Vachon a bookish coffee house
: guy with a goatee?  *mary pauses to listen to the hairband fans scream*

Fans of bands to keep hair off the face?  Naw, I don't think so.

: Yep kiddies, Yuppie Vachon to the rescue!  Heheh.  I'm sorry but I'm not
: entirely sure Vachon was even literate... wait, he -did- sign his name in
: Blackwing...  hmm, warrants more thought.   (hey, 'Warrant' that was a
: hairband wasn't it? <eg>)

I don't know about the coffee house thing, but I can sure picture him
reading...at least Metal Edge when it was good, but I can also stretch it to
see him reading 'De la Terre  la Lune' or other Science Fiction classics.
Somehow, I'm certain he's read Heinlein, if not Verne.  (Btw, Ben Bass fits
the coffee house description, and he would look right in a goatee.)

: BTW- Chong would have rocked.  'Nough said :)

I just saw Joan Jett a couple of weeks ago opening for Def Leppard, and,
well, she isn't Asian but otherwise the description fit to a 'T' including
the shaved head.  Now wouldn't she have been a neat addition to the show?
LapLor
--
jflyer@b.......
http://pineloft.com
http://Laplor.tripod.com

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Date:    Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:30:55 -0500
From:    "Brenda F. Bell" <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Questions about Tran

At 09:17 AM 2/21/00 -0500, McLisa wrote:

>Tran is a common surname in Vietnam. The most common is Nguyen. Other
>Vietnamese surnames which come to mind are Hoang, Ho and Ngo.

>Many women have the element thi (not capitalized) as part of the
>name... It comes right after the family name and before the given name.

There were a few Vietnamese students at my dorm in college. Two of them
were a brother (Nguyen-Phuong Hong) and his sister (Nguyen-thi-Phuong
Lien). (Note that properly the family name precedes the given name.) There
was another student, Tran Thuan, and a fourth whose given name was Dung
(Southern pronunciation) or Zhung (Northern pronunciation) -- I don't
remember his family name offhand, though I think it was Nguyen. The
Southern pronunciation of Hong's name is "Hung"; I don't recall offhand if
I've ever heard the Southern pronunciation of "Lien". Hong and Lien were
originally from North Vietnam, Dung from South Vietnam. Hong and Lien's
brothers occasionally visited them, but I don't recall their given names
offhand.

Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
        UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/
Gerthering 3 Photos:  http://nj5.injersey.com/~ic97/gertherng/
Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/

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Date:    Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:35:03 -0500
From:    Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: Similarities to FK

Speaking of similarities to FK, this week's episode of the "X Files" looks
an awful lot like "Games Vampires Play".

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Date:    Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:17:54 -0500
From:    Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@e.......>
Subject: Interesting Conversations

I recently read a story off Mel's page called "The Vampire of Babylon
5", which is a B5/FK x-over.   The thought came to mind that perhaps an
interesting conversation could be had at the Zocolo between LaCroix and
Bester perhaps concerning wayward children?

Also, courtesy of a couple other x-overs I've been reading.  How about a
conversation between Natalie and Scully slightly tipsy at the Raven.


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Date:    Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:26:17 -0500
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: 3rd season Bible Tracey

I see they did spell it with the e originally. All I can say is that if
they'd really written her with that annoying sense of humor ("Nick Tracey"
is funny because they're detective partners and does he get it?), I'd have
devoted a lot of fanfic to getting her fatally shot. Or maybe giving her
depressants. :)

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l

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Date:    Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:25:09 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Interesting Conversations

> Also, courtesy of a couple other x-overs I've been reading.  How about a
> conversation between Natalie and Scully slightly tipsy at the Raven.

 StormieNight has a perfectly delightful story about Natalie, Grace,
Scully and the lady attorney from Walker Texas Ranger 4 sheets
to the wind and out of control at a stripclub in Toronoto

go to http://ns.plantnet.com/~nitewind/Fiction2.html and look for
GIRLS NIGHT OUT

Lots of fun.
                        Tim
 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:31:55 +1300
From:    Knightraven <knightraven@c.......>
Subject: Re: 3rd season Bible Tracey

 Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
All I can say is that if they'd really written her with that annoying sense
of humor ("Nick Tracey" is funny because they're detective partners and does
he get it?), I'd have devoted a lot of fanfic to getting her fatally shot.
Or maybe giving her depressants. :)

Nat would have walked in with a manevolent smile(having listened to Nick
complain about his perky partner all night) and asked them, "Have you had a
Vetter Knight?"
Hahahaha! I kill me...okay going now...;)

Kylie.
knightraven@c.......

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Date:    Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:35:14 -0500
From:    Quinn <quinn@g.......>
Subject: GWD music CD information

Announcing:

                      BAR TALK
music written, arranged and performed by Geraint Wyn Davies

         available only through the G.W.D.F.C.
All profits from the CD benefit Childrens Hospital Foundation.
    Go to http://www.gwdfc.com/merchandise.html  or
http://www.gwdfc.com/1957/cdinfo.html  for more information.

--
Quinn
GWDFC officer
quinn@g.......       ocaoin@e.......
GWD Fan Club page--> http://www.gwdfc.org/ , http://www.gwdfc.com/

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