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Digest - 20 Feb 2000 to 21 Feb 2000 (#2000-52)

Mon, 21 Feb 2000

There are 16 messages totalling 590 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Remember the writers
  2. 1999 Fic Awards
  3. The Weird Knights faction
  4. Price Gouging (was: Heating Oil Crunch)
  5. Remember the writers and Price Gouging
  6. Questions About 2nd Season Character (2)
  7. Price Gouging
  8. Anyone Interested In FK pics??
  9. *Special "Last Act" Cut-out Seen Only in Canadian Version*
 10. Questions about Tran
 11. Fw: Admin: Forkni-l rules  - CHANGE in #2
 12. Similarities to FK
 13. Survivors/Remember the writers
 14. FK Season 3 Bible
 15. OT Ack!!!!!

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Date:    Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:10:26 -0700
From:    KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: Re: Remember the writers

Diane Harris wrote: I encourage everyone to participate in the 1999
Fanfiction awards, especially since the turnout last year was so low they
actually> considered not having them this year..<snip>

Where's the addy to nominate!  I've read lots of stories that were
absolutely wonderful and I want to nominate them!

Kyer
kyer@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:15:48 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: 1999 Fic Awards

<Kyer finds her glasses and puts them on (not to mention gets her inbox mail
*off* of the weird setting it mysteriously downloaded from)>

Oh.  There's the addy.  Heh heh... ahem.

kyer@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:16:33 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: The Weird Knights faction

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to ficdom.
It is a dimension as vast as LaCroix's ego and timeless as Nick's
flashbacks.
It is the middle ground between light and shadow,
between Nat's chemistry set and the Abbarat,
and it lies between the pit of Schanke's 'my partner is a vampire' fears
and the summit of Tracy's coffee bean knowledge.
This is the dimension of wacked out imagination.
It is an area which we call...
Da Weird Knight Zone.

<insert Weird Knights theme music here.  Yes, I *know* its really the
Twilight Zone theme music, but---darn it---I can't afford a midi player to
make my  own.  Gimme a break.>

Do..do....do..do.  Do..do...do..do...

Announcing the creation of yet *another* FK faction.
It is a faction without a name .(okay..so I *did *just give it one.)
It is a faction without a home. (Now, this is very true.  And don't look at
me---I jest write this stuff.)
It is a faction comprised of only two members. <Kyer wearing official googly
monster-eye glasses waves energetically at Barb>
It is a faction that is not altogether sure whether it is the *fiction* they
praise that is considered 'weird' or the members thereof. <g>

Do you also wish to bear the honored name of 'Weird Knight'?
Then repeat after me:

"Wackiness is a required for good writing---not grammar and spelling (as
Mrs. Grapevine asserted in 3rd grade.  What did *she* know.)"
"Weird monsters/aliens are just what a fanfic needs to be believable.
"Improbable circumstances and realities should be the norm."
"Reality is a bore, and needs to be boot kicked out of Life as much as
possible."

(p.s.--should anyone actually wish to create a website for Weird Knights and
thus an archive of strange FK universe fanfic, let me know and I'll check
with Barb. Or... if such a website already exists---Where Is It?!!  You have
a reader waiting to dive in! <eg>)

Kyer
kyer@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:53:49 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Price Gouging (was: Heating Oil Crunch)

In a message dated 2/20/00 3:54:23 PM Central Standard Time,
clouddancer@h....... writes:

> What effect do you think region would have on the price of a bottle of
>  the finest bloodwine? None of the cheap stuff now, only the best. The
>  kind LaCroix himself would choose.
>
The strange thing is, I don't think LaCroix would care about the price - even
if he for some odd reason found himself in a financial bind. He'd just hit
the street and ... "drill" directly for his blood source<wRPg>

--Libs

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Date:    Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:20:10 -0600
From:    Monica Thadine Rodriguez <mrodri14@u.......>
Subject: Re: Remember the writers and Price Gouging

<excerpt>Laudon1965@a....... wrote:

Please remember to acknowledge these folks when you read a story that you
enjoy.  Take a moment to reply, tell them that you liked it, and *what*
you liked about it.  These authors get no payment but the satisfaction of
creating, and our appreciation.  Lets make sure they get paid.

</excerpt>My involvement with this list has diminished significantly the
past few months because of RL, and my reading of fic has nearly come to a
halt, but when I was reading fic regularly, I made a point of writing to
the authors of stories I enjoyed to tell them so and tell them why.  I
too believe this is very very important for the authors.  It's a lot of
work sometimes (at least I tended to write rather detailed letters), and
you may think you don't have time.  But I received many responses back
from authors in appreciation for my comments and/or suggestions.  And all
that is needed is a few words of appreciation.  Although I have only
managed to post one story (with many more unfinished) that gave me the
first hand feel of the receiving end of feedback, which only affirmed
what I already believed: feedback is cool!!!!!

<excerpt>Cloud wrote:

What effect do you think region would have on the price of a bottle of
the finest bloodwine? None of the cheap stuff now, only the best. The
kind LaCroix himself would choose.

</excerpt>I can't come up with an answer to that one, but with all this talk of
prices of gas,  I was wondering if the price of blood was ever affected
by shortages.  Blood wouldn't have been sold as it is in the present (for
our vamps) until very recently, so there wouldn't have been any Plague to
affect it.  So what would have to happen to have the price suddenly go
up?

monica

luscious lucius lover

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Date:    Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:53:47 EST
From:    "Doņa Angel D.S." <donaangel@h.......>
Subject: Questions About 2nd Season Character

Since this is a very large list, I'm hoping there's somebody out there who
could give me/us some info related to a character from one of the 2nd season
episodes of FOREVER KNIGHT. I'm referring to "Can't Run Can't Hide" and the
character "Tran" portrayed by Von Flores. Tran is a Vietnamese vampire who
was brought across by LaCroix. I would like to know #1)if 'Tran' would have
been a first name or last name;#2)if it would have been his first name, what
would be some common Vietnamese last names;#3)if it would have been his last
name/surname, what are possible first names--e.g., I am aware that
Christianity has been in Vietnam, there have even been some Catholic
Vietnamese martyrs, possibly including some bishops, if I'm not mistaken, so
could Tran have had a first name such as Stephen or John --English or
Vietnamese equivalent-- or what are some first names a Vietnamese man would
have. In the credits he is simply named Tran.
Thank you for any info you can offer.
Angel
a.k.a.Doņa Angel <donaangel@h.......>
Vaquera/Future Proud Vaq Brat/VaqDreamer/Incarnate/Immortal Beloveds/Dark
Hearts/The Crew/CW

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:03:53 -0600
From:    treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: Price Gouging

At 07:20 PM 2/20/00 -0600, Monica Thadine Rodriguez wrote:

>I was wondering if the price of blood was ever affected by shortages. Blood
>wouldn't have been sold as it is in the present (for our vamps) until very
>recently, so there wouldn't have been any Plague to affect it.  So what would
>have to happen to have the price suddenly go up?

My theory on bottled blood is that most of it comes from war zones, where
there's a ready explanation for why people are missing. So, I think if there
were really to be peace in the world, then the price of bottled blood would
go up.

Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk

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Date:    Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:25:29 -0800
From:    Nadine Ziekursch <naddy1228@y.......>
Subject: Anyone Interested In FK pics??

hello everyone!
coming out of lurking here <G>

While shopping in parts of the city (Cambridge, UK, in
case anyone cares LOL)I normally DON'T shop in, I came
across a new store, just opened, selling movie and TV
memorabilia. Thought, although thinking it might be
highly unlikely,went in there and asked for "anything
FK".
To my surprised the answere was NOT "Forever WHAT???"
but an "Of course!" followed by a small box being
taken off a shelf, containing press photographs.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, although unable to
order or get anything more FK (according to the guy
owning the shop he got those pics from a store on
Hollywood Blv, CA and has NO idea when he will order
from them again), the pics they HAVE are very nice.
Bought them all, which means two times each pic he
had.
Well, I don't NEED two of each pic, so if anyone is
interested in any of the NOT needed, please contact me
OFF LIST!
Don't want to make any profit on them, just give them
away for what I paid for them (which wasn't TOO cheap,
NOTHING in this country is *sigh*, but okay I think,
looking at what those pics go for on eBay and other
auction sites) to a fellow fan who wants to add them
to their collection!
Postage wise - I live in the UK, but would send them
to any place on the globe.

THE PICS ARE:
(size 16 x 25,5 cm, no idea what that is in inch, but
the size is about the size of a magazine page)

*color pic of the first season cast
*b/w pic of the third season cast
*color pic of Nat, first season, standing with her
arms folded

the next ones are the press photographs that as far as
I know usually come in those press kits from the
studios.
They have "Forever Knight" written in the bottom left,
and the TriStar Sign in the bottom right corner and a
few lines about the actor who is on the pic written in
between. they are all b/w

*Tracy, standing, holding a gun
*Schanke and Nat (two pics on one pic, the first
season pics)
*Nick, holding a badge
*Nat

well, that was it...if any of you is interested,
please contact me OFF LIST
naddy1228@y.......
bye
NADINE

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:19:20 -0600
From:    treeleaf@i.......
Subject: Re: Questions About 2nd Season Character

At 10:53 PM 2/20/00 EST, Doņa Angel D.S. wrote:
>Tran is a Vietnamese vampire who was brought across by LaCroix. I would like
>to know #1)if 'Tran' would havebeen a first name or last name;

I'm trying to remember back to when I taught school in Houston and taught a
lot of Vietnamese kids. I can't remember anyone named Tran offhand, but I
always thought it was the character's first name. It sounds to me like it
would be a first name.

#2)if it would have been his first name, what would be some common
Vietnamese last names;

A very common last name is Nguyen, pronounced Nwin.

#3)if it would have been his last name/surname, what are possible first names--

Truong seems to be a common first name, pronounced Trung, with the uo sounding
a lot like the oo in the word, hoof.

>e.g., I am aware that Christianity has been in Vietnam, there have even
been >some Catholic Vietnamese martyrs, possibly including some bishops, if
I'm not >mistaken, so could Tran have had a first name such as Stephen or
John --
>English or Vietnamese equivalent

I can't answer that one for sure, but none of the kids I taught had English
names.

Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
Kickstart the Knight!: http://jessica.simplenet.com/ktk

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:16:56 -0600
From:    Kristin Harris <kris1228@s.......>
Subject: *Special "Last Act" Cut-out Seen Only in Canadian Version*

Hi everyone!

I just added a very special movie clip that no fans in the U.S. have seen,
unless they some how had access to the Canadian Version of FK. I only found
out about it through a picture, then asked Lois Dodson who has access to the
Canadian version about it. She then made this very special clip for me...

It is a scene in "Last Act" with Nick and Erica. This is shown after they
have bitten each other and shared blood. Erica was talking about what she
saw in Nick's past. It mentions the crusades as well. I learned a few things
I hadn't known before from only the U.S. version too. It lasts for about a
minute and I think it's well worth the download time. :)

I hope you guys enjoy it. I am also going to try and find out about more
cut-outs too, to have video clips of. If any of you know what's in Canada
and not shown in the U.S. please tell me. I'd be eternally grateful!

Thanks and I hope you all enjoy the clip!
Kristin
http://members.xoom.com/forever_nick/Forever_Knight

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:17:49 -0500
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Questions about Tran

Tran is a common surname in Vietnam. The most common is Nguyen. Other
Vietnamese surnames which come to mind are Hoang, Ho and Ngo. Catholic
Vietnamese (I used to know a family of Catholic refugees well) do not use
French names. It would be French rather than English, since Vietnam was a
French colony.  The problem with being sure whether Tran in the show is his
family name or his given name is that it could be either. Vietnamese names
work like Chinese names, so that the given names have meaning and are
vocabulary words. In Vietnam the family name goes firstand married women
keep their own family names. Many women have the element thi (not
capitalized) as part of the name to indicate that they are female.  It comes
right after the family name and before the given name. Also, if the full
name has two words, the person will commonly be called by only one. In
Vietnam the personal name was the normal element to use unless you are
referring to the person by his/her full name for some reason. This applied
even to army officers in the field. My guess is that Tran is a part of his
given name.

I can't give possible full names because I'd have to speak the language to
come up with them. My advice would be to find a source from the Viet Nam war
era and borrow from that.

Cousin McLisa  (Lisa McDavid)  "That will be Trouble."
mclisa@m.......
Listowner Forkni-l, Fkfic-l, Fkv4s-l

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:21:42 -0500
From:    mclisa@m.......
Subject: Fw: Admin: Forkni-l rules  - CHANGE in #2

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7. Off-topic posts are not allowed, no matter what they are about or
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9. Con announcements must come from con officials or a designated
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10. Only fan club presidents or other designated spokespeople may
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mclisa@m.......
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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:43:29 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Similarities to FK

This weekend I was watching the delightful movie "The Prince and the
Showgirl" with Laurence Olivier and Marilyn Monroe, and I was struck by the
similarities to FK.  Olivier's character, the Prince Regent of Carpathia, is
severe, gruff, dignified, and positively Machiavellian in his political
machinations.  Yet he has a reluctantly shown tender and vulnerable side
elicited by the ingenuousness of Marilyn Monroe's character, who is rather
like a cross between Urs and Tracy, with some of Nat's first season humor
thrown in for good measure.

In addition the Prince Regent has an uneasy relationship with his minor son,
the King, whose name is....wait for it...Nicholas.  Nicholas is in contact
with individuals from other governments and is planning a coup against his
father's government of Carpathia, it seems he prefers the kinder gentler ways
of democracy to the Prince Regent's "benevolent tyranny" <g>

Elsie, Marlilyn Monroe's character, is a dancer like Urs, has indomitable
good spirits like Tracy, and is also rather like the Valentine's view of Nat
in that she shows the Prince that his main problem is the lack of love in his
life and that he would get further with his son by being tolerant and loving
than by being a hardnose.  Sound familiar?

Similarities to FK aside, I heartily recommend it for being the delightful
film that it is.

Laurie of the Isles
"A male gynocolgist is kind of like a mechanic who has never owned a car."

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:31:18 -0500
From:    br1035@i.......
Subject: Survivors/Remember the writers

Hi!

This is kind of a public service announcement<g>...
I've gotten a lot of mail over the past two years
asking/begging/pleading for news about my progress
with this story. Rest assured that I am still working
on it - slowly, but surely - and I think the time I've
taken off from it has reinvigorated my desire to work
on this series (Yes, I know it's about time!).

So, to pipe in on the 'Remember the writers' thread,
your feedback can make a difference in whether stories
get written. Your enthusiasm can feed a fanfic writer's
energy, your enjoyment can remind us why we wanted to
write a story in the first place, and your complaints
can make us look at the characters in new ways.

I won't be posting 'Survivors' on fkfic-l until it's
complete, but for those who have patience issues, I've been linking
parts to my website as they are done. Chapter 12
has just been added. < http://www.geocities.com/~br1035/fk/forever.html >

Thank you again to everyone who has written to encourage me!

<waves>

**************************************************************************
Bonnie Rutledge.....<br1035@i.......>.....Evil - The Puppy Says So!
Nunkies Anonymous Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~br1035/nunkies.html
Spare Bambi!                                LaCroix for President - 2000!

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:50:04 -0500
From:    "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject: FK Season 3 Bible

I have, quite by accident, come across a copy of part of the Forever Knight
Season 3 Bible.  This is the document we were told didn't exist when the
books were being written.

As if that should surprise me by now.

There are some treats in store for you.  It's very interesting as well as
authentic (I've got great provenance on this puppy).  I've retyped it,
leaving in the original typos and highlighting.

Enjoy.

http://www.geocities.com/susanmgarrett/season3.htm

Regards
susang@v.......  -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
EVER Faithful Ravenette. http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2167/fiction.htm
"Friends help you move.  Real friends help you move bodies."

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Date:    Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:13:05 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: OT Ack!!!!!

Sorry to take up bandwidth, but this is the fastest way to let a number of
people know that my hard drive seems to have gone kaflooey.  I am at the
computer store right now, accessing my mail on the web.  Please, if you could,
say a prayer, cross your fingers, whatever that it's not completely crashed, and
if it is, that the data is salvageable.

<wimper>
Laurie of the Isles

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