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Logfile LOG9606E Part 4

June 30, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606E" Part 4

	TOPICS:
	The Toronto Tour Guides "Faction" Strikes Again!  (2)
	A Good Way to Solve Crimes? FRAN SPOILERS
	bricks  (3)
	HF; Janette; Potential Spoiler Info?
	the upcoming war.
	questions, questions, questions
	Favorite episodes
	<no subject>
	Bricks
	FK CD: Content  (3)
	Question of the week
	Fayetteville NC
	Affiliations
	HF; Janette; Potential Spoiler Info?
	The Stars in Ourselves
	Atlanta Bricks  (2)
	Blood shortage in Ontario   (2)
	Nick's blood supply
	Spark?
	FK I.D. Cards
	List Mommy, I need help! (or anyone who knows all the rules!)
	Nick, Nat and Janette; brief LK SPOILERS
	Janette and HF
	Can anyone help my friend?
	Anne Rice Books
	questions, questions, questions
	garlic  (2)
	LC & Nick - HF spoiler (mild)

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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 02:12:08 -0400
From:         Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject:      The Toronto Tour Guides "Faction" Strikes Again!

Greetings, gentle list members:

The last three days have been one heck of a wild "weekend" for the intrepid
folks of the Toronto Contingent aka "The Toronto Tour Guides Faction".  (okay,
not a faction as such, but "y'all" get the idea :-) ).

On Thursday evening, we (as in Debbie Roche, Jonathan Tracy, and myself)
welcomed Atlanta's own Sarah Chodrow, to the Home of the Knight :-) and yes,
of course, we treated her to The Tour (tm :-) ) of several major and minor
Forever Knight filming sites, including the studio that barely even looks like
the Forever Knight studio of lore...oh well.  Sarah's tour was unique, in that
it was the first car tour conducted in the evening, if I recall correctly.

On Friday in the late afternoon, after somehow managing to get through Friday
afternoon "rush" hour, several highway exit ramp closures, and one wrong turn,
I greeted Shreveport's Joe Hege, husband of list member Jana C. Hege (who is
entering her ninth month of pregnancy and hence, was strongly advised against
coming along).  Joe had to get back to his hotel in time for a business
meeting, so I only had time to give him a "half tour" including Casa Loma, the
Raven, and the Coroner's Office.

On Saturday afternoon, Sarah invited the Sisterhood of the Perpetual Writers
:-) (Debbie Roche, Anna Sawitzky, and Trudy Goold...oh, and me, though I'm not
a "sister" as such, of course :-) ) to her hotel room at the Hilton for some,
well, writing.

At 4:00, we were all introduced to Katya (not the same Katya as Hilary, of
course :-) Waah, where were you, Hilary?!?  ;-)  ), the Toronto Contingent's
newest member.  Katya and I then met up with Jonathan, and after picking up
Joe at the Regal Constellation, we proceeded to finish up the second half of
his tour - IN POURING RAIN!  The driving conditions were dangerous, to say the
least, and some goofball nearly side-swiped my car while trying to pass me at
something like 40 km/h over the posted speed limit (!!)  ...and even though
the stupid twit didn't hit me (whew!), the splash from the rain blinded me for
about a second and a half - just enough time to have hit someone if anyone
appeared in front of me...good grief  (that didn't happen, though - whew).

(Oh, and this was the first tour conducted in the rain, if I'm not mistaken!
That makes for TWO tour "firsts" this weekend, good grief!)


In spite of the insanity (hey, we never said that we were professional tour
guides, and insanity IS usually the order of the day at these tours!! :-) ),
much fun was had by all, but mind you, by the time that we got back to Sarah's
apartment, I was so terribly frazzled (gee, someone almost got us killed,
after all!!) that I wanted to be back home, tucked away in bed.

One quick blood transfusion later (err, that's *Spite*, not blood), I whisked
Joe back to the Regal Constellation and returned to the Hilton, by which time
Trudy and Katya had left us (boo hoo!), but Lynne Ackerman had joined us
(yay!).

The remaining bunch of us then retired (so to speak) to the local Movenpick,
where we experienced fine Austrian cuisine.  Here I am at 2:00am, writing all
about it.

The moral of the story is: If you're an out-of-town list member who is
planning to visit Toronto, please by all means write to me (or Lynne, or Marg,
or any member of our "clique" - clique?  Ha!  We're too friendly to be a
clique, so there!  :-) ), and we'll try to arrange a tour and hopefully even a
little "mini-soiree" afterwards!

Cheers,  (yawning!)
Perky (but EXTREMELY tired) Cousin Will aka "Grandfather", Designated Driver
and Spiritual Leader :-) of the Toronto Tour Guides "Faction".

---
Will Steeves, B.Sc. (Toronto, 1991), goid@i....... - "Neil Hull is GOiD"
Publisher & Managing Editor, The New Edition (U of T); Nu '96, Psi Upsilon
Ontario Area Coordinator, FREE (http://www.vix.com/free)

If possession is 9/10 of the law, what's the other 1/10? - Steeves' Laws Vol. I
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 02:39:26 EST
From:         Rebecca Burns <rburns@a.......>
Subject:      Re: A Good Way to Solve Crimes? FRAN SPOILERS

On Sun 30-Jun-1996  1:59a, Ann Lipton wrote:

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AL> And I reply(I wish AOL would do this for me)
AL> Nick gives a big long speech to Nat about why drinking blood is fun, while
AL> Catherine Disher gives very nice but slightly over-directed reaction
AL> shots, and he says that every drop of blood contains who you are, and that
AL> in drinking you can see everything, including "how they died."  Can
      AL> someone post the exact text for me?

I sent her this.

Bouncin' Cousin Becky
rburns@a.......
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 03:31:26 -0400
From:         Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject:      Re: bricks

In a message dated 96-06-29 21:14:52 EDT, you write:

<< I've
 given serious thought to having "Nicholas de Brabant" engraved on one of
 the bricks. Gives the phrase, "Nick is a brick" a whole new meaning! >>

     Do it!  Do it!!  I'll bet we can even get the list to chip in for the
cost.

  --  Ray
   Nat Vamp Camp
    Send our Brick to the Olympics!
     Rage!  Rage!  Against the dying of the Knight!
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 00:38:48 -0700
From:         "M. Bates" <queenbts@n.......>
Subject:      HF; Janette; Potential Spoiler Info?

Whewwww!

I just saw, for the first time, The Human Factor.  Prior to this Janette
hadn't been one of my favorite people as she always seemed more ruthless
than I was comfortable with (*no* offense intended to Janette factions,
please!).

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  Yet, tonight, I saw for the first time (only time, due to my late
discovery of the series) Janette's *human* side (quite literally, actually,
as she discloses after she's shot in the shoulder).  What an engaging
person!  What an honorable and true person the Janette in love with Robert
was!  I feel a sadness at her loss.  How I admire her convictions in this
ep.  And nasty-grams to TPTB for writing in Nick's little dream at the
end--darn it!  (Of course, my N&NPackerness is showing now, huh?)

Janette, I am sorry to see you go.  I would have learned from you as you
pursued your truths and convictions, compassions and journies as a mortal.
I am truly bummed.....how little I must know in the full scheme of things
here...
Melanie Bates

Die-Hard, N&N Packer/ Knightie, Vaquera/ L. Cousin, Az Crusaders;  Suffering
Eternally from Gerus Cancellatus: "Well, you never get used to it - And when
it doesn't make sense . . . Gone without an explanation.  So what do we do?
The only thing we can do:  chalk it up to Voodoo." (BBP2, and retort to
cancellation)
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 03:49:33 -0400
From:         Lynne Ackerman <be028@f.......>
Subject:      Re: The Toronto Tour Guides "Faction" Strikes Again!

But Will, you forgot to mention that our waiter at Movenpick was named
NICK!  I'm sure the poor guy must have wondered why we all burst into
laughter after he left our table the first time <g>!

A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
'Hollywood North')!!  E-mail address via Internet is be028@t........
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 08:45:40 -0700
From:         Katrinka <katrinka@f.......>
Subject:      the upcoming war.

is the upcoming war only going to be on the fkfic-l list, or is
newsgroups going to be involved.
plus, i really need help. i have a new server, with netscape. and i have
no earthly idea how to access newsgroups or subscribe.
can anyone help me?
and can the woman thats running the knightie loop contact me at this
address? i've moved, and i can't find her address.
now on knightie things.
i am looking forwards to this war, even though it will happen about the
time of the olympics.
i am both afraid and anxios
and i hearby give my permission to be used during the war in any storys
anyone wants to write.
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 12:10:19 -0500
From:         Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject:      Re: questions, questions, questions

On 29 Jun 96 at 17:16, Patrick McLaughlin wrote:


> It appears that it's *direct* sunlight only that affects vampires--a
> sunbeam, not simply ambient light.  I've no idea if a good mirror would
> qualify...

A good mirror does qualify - in the ep with the little girl (Father's
Day? Father Figure? one of those 'father' ones), she's playing with a
little mirror and reflects the sun right onto Nick's face. He starts
to smoke.


Katja
(Hi, I'm back!)
--
Katja Stokley
cstokley@c.......
It is a good day to put slinkies on escalators
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 12:20:38 -0400
From:         Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject:      Re: bricks

At 09:16 PM 6/29/96 -0500, Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
>In Olympic park in Atlanta <snip> I've given serious thought to having
>"Nicholas de Brabant" engraved on one of the bricks. Gives the phrase, "Nick
>is a brick" a whole new meaning! Think TriStar could sue my tush for this?

Cool Idea.  No I don't think they could sue you.

How much  are they charging?

Mary Davis
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 14:15:15 -0400
From:         Diane Kennedy <dkennedy@f.......>
Subject:      Re: bricks

Stephanie:

I think this is a great idea to put Nick's name on a brick!!

I can't give you any advice about the possibility of a law suit.  I hope
someone can advise you.

Diane

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                         dkennedy@f.......
                     Knightie (With Strong Die-Hard Leanings)
                              Folk Music Forever!!
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 18:28:14 GMT
From:         Elizabeth Johnson <betsyj@w.......>
Subject:      Favorite episodes

I can't remember who was collecting favorite episodes.  I'm on digest and
it's really hard to save messages.  Here are mine.
First season 1) Feeding the Beast 2) Dying for Fame 3) Unreality TV
Second season 1) Curiouser & Curiouser 2) Father's Day 3) Close Call
Third season 1) Black Buddah 2) Human Factor 3) My boyfriend is a Vampire
Least Favorite toss up between Fire Inside and Bad Blood

About the CD-  All the stores I've called (Blockbuster, Warehouse, Tower
Records) are sold out.  If you don't tell them Knight is spelled with a K
they tell you it doesn't exist.  I guess there are a lot of FK fans here in
Las Vegas -unless the tourists got them :)

Question about SciFi channel-  When they show the first season will they be
showing the longer Canadian versions?  And if not can I add myself to the
list of those begging for Canadian Tapes?

Thanks
Betsy      betsyj@w.......
"I'm revamping myself" -Nick Feeding the Beast
'I gotta protect my discs' -Kermit Dragonswing II
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:36:03 -0700
From:         "M. Bates" <queenbts@n.......>

It has been brought to my attention, privately, that I nearly opened an
forbidden can of worms vis a vis my post of last night after seeing HF for
the first time.  With regard to Janette, I apologize for treading on any
toes I didn't know existed.  Perhaps I am not knowledgeable enough about the
series and/or the historical activities of this List to participate.

Again, my apologies.

Melanie Bates

Die-Hard, N&N Packer/ Knightie, Vaquera/ L. Cousin, Az Crusaders;  Suffering
Eternally from Gerus Cancellatus: "Well, you never get used to it - And when
it doesn't make sense . . . Gone without an explanation.  So what do we do?
The only thing we can do:  chalk it up to Voodoo." (BBP2, and retort to
cancellation)
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Date:         Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:35:01 -0400
From:         Chana Rossman <bonney@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Bricks

Stephanie Babbitt wrote...
>...Olympic PTB have been selling bricks to pave the walkways. You can
>have pretty much whatever you want engraved on a brick (2 lines max)
>for posterity. I've given serious thought to having "Nicholas de Brabant"
>engraved on one of the bricks.

Now even I, as one of Nicholas's staunchest defenders, am amused by
this idea.  :)   (Hmmm, I wonder if I'll have to hide from the
Knighties for a couple of days...)

As far as being sued, if they ask, tell 'em Nicholas de Brabant is
the name of your cat.  (Of course, never take legal advice from
a computer teacher. <g>  )

So how much does this brick cost?

Chana
      ------>  Chana Rossman (bonney@i.......) <------
      Nick&Natpacker * Knightie * Natpacker  * FKWallFlower
          I have been one acquainted with the [K]night
               In Faith and Love There is Forever!
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 14:56:31 -0400
From:         "Margaret L. Carter" <MLCVamp@a.......>
Subject:      Re: FK CD: Content

Lots of people have been raving about the CD, but giving few specifics about
what's on it.  Is it "just" a selection of music from the show's soundtrack,
meaning it's all instrumental, or does it include anything with words?  I
infer the latter might be the case from something that was mentioned about
monologues (maybe? I think?).

I say "just" (ducking and running) because I'm not musical enough to listen
to instrumentals without chronic wandering of the mind.  To me, music's
purpose is to serve as background for lyrics (heading for bomb shelter --
honest, I'm not defending this position -- I have a sister with a doctorate
in music -- it just happens to be the way my brain is wired).  So I was
wondering whether the CD has anything verbal on it.  Thanks.

Margaret
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:06:08 -0400
From:         "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject:      Re: FK CD: Content

Hi Margaret,

Yes, there are four songs with lyrics, sung by Lori Yates.  There are also
monologues by Nigel, as well as a piano piece by Geraint.  The non-vocal
music will not allow your mind to wonder too far - believe me!

I am listening to the CD as I type.  It is very inspirational.

Lisa Patnaude

***************************************************************************
Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies  <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a......., KnightKeep@a......., oboyyme@t.......
<Just call me a Lady of the Knight...but say it with a smile>
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:56:23 -0400
From:         caesarswar <caesarswar@m.......>
Subject:      Re: Question of the week

Would I like to be a vampire?  Yes I would.

The major drawback would be seeing all of your family dying, but chances
are you will experience at least some of your family dying during your
mortal life anyway.

I would like to become a vampire because there is so much out there I want
to see and do.  There are so many languages I would like to learn, but
simply don't have the time.  There are so many places I would like to
visit, but simply don't have the time.  Yes, seeing them by night would be
a bit awkward, but at least I would be seeing them.

Maybe there would come a time when I would want the true death, but I'm
sure that wouldn't be for at least a few hundred years.
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:57:52 -0400
From:         Linda Pierce <lpierce@j.......>
Subject:      Fayetteville NC

Hi all,
  I'm going to be taking my mom to visit her sisters in Fayettville, NC
over the 5th of July weeking.  Does anyone know what time and what
station FK airs on in that area?  Also, anyone want to visit and talk
about FK?

Linda Rose Pierce
Natpacker
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:06:33 -0400
From:         caesarswar <caesarswar@m.......>
Subject:      Re: Affiliations

You wrote earlier:

 I was wondering: is there anyone who could post or email to me all of the
 known affiliations?

 I mean, I know some of them -- Cousins, FoDs, N&N, Nat-packers -- but there
 are a few I've seen where I don't know what they are (Immortal Beloveds,
 Valentines, etc.).



Could you please e-mail me any info you have on these affiliations?  I am
new to this stuff and have never heard of any of them.
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:58:48 -0500
From:         Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject:      Re: HF; Janette; Potential Spoiler Info?

At 12:38 AM 6/30/96 -0700, M. Bates wrote:

>
>S
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>....The Human Factor. ... Prior to this Janette hadn't been one of my
>favorite people as she always seemed more ruthless than I was comfortable
>with <snip>  tonight, I saw for the first time( due to my late discovery
>of the series) Janette's *human* side ... What an engaging person!

There was far more to Janette than ruthlessness, even as a vampire. In
AFWTD, she gives shelter to prostitutes, whom she identifies with because
of her life before becoming a vampire.  In AMPH, she calls Nick to let him
know that Natalie is with a vampire and in danger.  She doesn't worry about
any possible rivalry between her and Natalie.  Janette is a complex
character, and if you haven't seen that much of her, I expect you'll find
more to like as you see more.

>(*no* offense intended to Janette factions, please!).

Since I'm not in a Janette faction, there's no offense taken here.  After
some of the recent discussion though, I just felt the need to say you don't
have to be in a Janette faction to like Janette, including liking Janette
as a vampire.  You can even be an N&NPacker, which I am, and like Janette
a lot.

Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker  ~  Cousin of the Knight
Save FK - http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:26:35 -0500
From:         Robbi Egersdorf <egersdor@m.......>
Subject:      The Stars in Ourselves


Hey guys.

It's really lonely around here with everyone that's gone to the Gerthering.
I am so jealous.  I bet they're having the time of their lives.

I just wrote in to say thanks for everyone who had patience with my story
while I was having problems with my computer.  The damage wasn't as
extensive as originally thought.  I was able to save all of my data.  Thank
heavens!!  All 10 parts of The Stars in Ourselves has now gone out and if
anyone has not received them or if they received on partial parts, please e-
mail me privately and I can shoot those out to you in a jiff.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled list

Robbi
Knightie With Dark Tendencies
Long Live the Knight
egersdor@m.......
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:39:32 -0400
From:         Bobbie Williams <UserKnight@a.......>
Subject:      Atlanta Bricks

I loved Stephanie Babbitt's idea for the brick named after Nick.  Stephanie,
if you're serious about doing this, I would be willing to donate to the cause
(I'm thinking this could be somewhat expensive).  Please e-mail me off list
and give me an address where I could send a check.

I'm also thinking this might be another great promotional opportunity for the
show in general. Maybe just get one that says "Forever Knight--Forever Means
Forever" (I know, I stole that from someone's sig).

Bobbie, Lady of the Knight
*Knightie* because I have to be
*Cousin of the Knight* because I choose to be
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 18:18:35 -0400
From:         Bobbie Williams <UserKnight@a.......>
Subject:      Blood shortage in Ontario

Anbody going to Toronto Trek who would be interested in taking an hour or two
to donate blood while we're there?  I'd be willing to get the details on
Toronto's Red Cross (i.e., address, time, etc.).  Perhaps we could all wear
some sort of FK paraphenalia to promote our cause!!  E-mail me off list and
let me know.

Bobbie, Lady of the Knight
Never one to pass up a good promotional idea!
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 18:18:13 -0400
From:         Bobbie Williams <UserKnight@a.......>
Subject:      Nick's blood supply

I've been catching up on my list digests and saw where Stephanie Babbitt
asked what episode the scene where Nick is scooping up blood with a ladle and
pouring it in his green bottles, comes from.  I didn't see any response to
this one, so I thought I'd throw in my two cents.   I believe it's from
Father Figure--when the little girl is sleeping upstairs, there's an overhead
shot of Nick filling his bottles..  Does anyone know if perhaps that's a
scene from the Canadian version?  Can't remember right off the top of my
head.

Bobbie, Lady of the Knight
*Knightie* because I have to be
*Cousin of the Knight* because I choose to be
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 18:40:34 -0400
From:         Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject:      Spark?

I was just rewatching Stranger than Fiction, and I'm not sure, but I think
the actor playing Christian in Emily's fantasy, before she meets Nick, is the
same actor who played Spark in A More Permanent Hell.  Can anyone confirm or
deny?


Ann
Newly Devoted Diviant (am I the only one?!?)
"Truth had run through my fingers.  Every drop had escaped."
                    -- Virginia Woolf
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 19:17:29 -0400
From:         "Lisa J. Patnaude" <KnightKeep@a.......>
Subject:      FK I.D. Cards

Hi Everybody,

I'm in the process of creating Forever Knight I.D. cards.  The actual size of
the card is 2" x 3 1/4" and is laminated.  They were printed using a HP
DeskJet 820C color printer.

So far, I've created two cards:

1. Eternal Member of Forever Knight (using the actual FK logo)
2. Lyrics (6 lines) taken from Fred Mollin's The Black Rose, with a black
rose and Forever Knight on the bottom.

I'm now working on the various affiliations (factions) - currently
NatPackers.  I'm using pictures of the actors, with "Member of the <faction
name>".  I want to include quotes taken from the characters, ex.: "I've got
places to go, people to dissect".

If people are interested in these cards, I would be very happy to include
that person's name and favorite quote(s) to personalize their own card.

Please privately e-mail me for more information and/or to place an order.
 The cost will only be for you to send a padded (smallest size is 4 X 6),
stamped, self-addressed envelope.


Lisa Patnaude

***************************************************************************
Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies  <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a......., KnightKeep@a......., oboyyme@t.......
<Just call me a Lady of the Knight...but say it with a smile>
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 19:23:16 -0400
From:         Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject:      List Mommy, I need help! (or anyone who knows all the rules!)

     Dear List Mommy,
Or who ever can help me,

I write a question every week, to stir up conversation and so forth. I was
going to post in my letter the answers to last week's question. You know, to
the lurkers who couldn't bring themselves to write me, to others who wanted
to see what other people thought.
But, that would be quoting way more than four lines. I wanted to know if that
was allowed.  I'm not quoting anything already posted to the list--I'm
wanting to put on the list for the first time the answers I got private
e-mail to the quesion of the week I post to the list. If you want to see my
letter, I'll send it to you privately before I put it out on the list.

Mr Happy posts his answers to his web page, but I don't have a page and want
to share the best answers to my questions with the list.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,
~~~~Tia~~~~
N&Npacker~Natpacker~Knightie~Cousin of the Knight~Cousin (an aquired taste!)
    ~~~~*The White Knight changes color... The Black Knight is Forever!*~~~~
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:57:52 -0600
From:         Lisa Marvin <wyllow@n.......>
Subject:      Re: Nick, Nat and Janette; brief LK SPOILERS

Oppenheimer's wrote:

> I started watching the first season and from the first I thought that
> Nick loved Nat. In OTL, Nick was only acting as though he felt
>protective about Nat out of brotherly concern. He told her in the same
>episode that he would only ruin her life if he didn't leave her alone.

Yes!
My impression of Nick in Only the Lonely was that, at that early point,
he really might not have known the extent of his own feelings for
Natalie.  He  reacted strongly to seeing her with someone else, which
was probably the first time those feelings had been put to the test.  He
reacted, then felt that he had to justify the reaction, but because they
did not have a declared love relationship with each other, the
"brotherly" thing was his excuse. (I am not using the word "excuse" here
in a negative way, as if Nick consciously lied to Natalie or something
like that).  At the time it happened, I think he most likely believed
that his own feelings for Nat _were_ of a more brotherly nature, rather
than of something romantic.  Just then, it was certainly a lot safer to
vent his emotions under the guise of "brotherliness" than to discover
and acknowledge something more serious.  He may not have consciously
figured all of it out,  but I think that Nick respected Nat very much,
and that he knew what a good friend she was to him, so that being
concerned for her in a "brotherly" way would be acceptable, and that's
what he did.

--
Lisa M.,  fearless and everlasting Nick&NatPacker - (wyllow@n.......)
"Though lovers be lost love shall not..."  D.T.
SAVE FOREVER KNIGHT! - see this great webpage for details:
       http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 19:59:16 -0500
From:         Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject:      Re: Atlanta Bricks

Bobbie wrote:
>if you're serious about doing this, I would be willing to donate to the cause
>(I'm thinking this could be somewhat expensive).  Please e-mail me off list
>and give me an address where I could send a check.

Not to worry--it's not that expensive! I was going to do it on a lark. If
you've got extra $$, go buy Fred's CD or donate to one of the FK
charities--your money will go farther toward promoting FK. (And the CD is
very much worth having!) Thanks for the thought, though.

>I'm also thinking this might be another great promotional opportunity for the
>show in general. Maybe just get one that says "Forever Knight--Forever Means
>Forever" (I know, I stole that from someone's sig).

There's going to be about a half a million of the things in the park, so
the promotional opportunity will be minimal. I just thought it would be a
fun prank, plus anybody in the know would get a kick out of seeing it.

I'm gonna do it, and Tri-Star will just have to cope.

Stephanie Babbitt
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:59:21 -0700
From:         "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@i.......>
Subject:      Janette and HF

Melanie Bates wrote:
>I nearly opened an forbidden can of worms vis a vis my post of last night after
>seeing HF for the first time.  With regard to Janette, I apologize for treading
>on any toes I didn't know existed.  Perhaps I am not knowledgeable enough about
>the series and/or the historical activities of this List to participate.

As far as I knew, the only forbidden topics on FORKNI are those that don't
directly relate to FK and personal attacks on people.  Your post didn't fit
either of those criteria, IMO.  In fact, I quite agreed with you on a lot of
it.  While there is certainly a lot to dislike intensely about THF (and
Cynthia Hoffman gave a pretty good rundown of them) I thought THF added
another intriguing dimension to an already fascinating and complex
character, one which I don't agree was so far out of left field as to be
unbelievable.

As for the ending, did Janette die or not?  I think not, but everyone is
entitled to their opinion.  And, the fact that there's obviously more than
one interpretation of the ending (as evidenced by the differences of opinion
on it) should *never* be considered a forbidden topic as long as people
respect each other.  Too many people on these lists take simple disagreement
as a personal attack these days, IMO.  Last I checked, this was a
*discussion* list;  we're not all supposed to agree on everything.  Believe
me I read posts that make me wonder just what show some people are watching
and that make me want to tear my hair out at times, but I would *never* want
anyone to apologize for holding the opinion they hold, even if it is at
complete odds with mine and I say so.  <g>

Sharon (climbing down off her soapbox now).
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 08:23:15 -0400
From:         Frederic Ferland <mrhappy@m.......>
Subject:      Can anyone help my friend?

Hi!

I'm posting this on behalf of my friend Ken Kapoor from Hawaii.  He'd like
to purchase Canadian episodes of Forever Knight from all three seasons.  If
you have episodes on tape and are willing to copy them to him, please
contact him privately (kapoor@h.......) to discuss tape and shipping costs.

Please help him, he's counting on me! (and you! :)

While I'm at it, could someone who has the entire first season (Canadian
version) contact me too?  Depending on how much it would cost, I'd like to
buy those for myself since I haven't seen anything from the first season yet.

Thanks a lot!


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Frederic Ferland                              |
mrhappy@m.......                               |    Error, no keyboard
http://www.mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy/fk.htm  |   press F1 to continue.
NatPacker & Perkulator (!)                    |
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:08:02 -0400
From:         Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Blood shortage in Ontario

In a message dated 96-06-30 18:31:41 EDT,Bobbie, Lady of the Knight, wrote:

>Anbody going to Toronto Trek who would be interested in taking an hour or two
>to donate blood while we're there?
>Never one to pass up a good promotional idea!

Just wanted to remind everyone that the 4th of July holiday in the States
also leads to shortages in the Blood supply.  Even if you aren't going to
Toronto you might want to check with your local hospital.

Mary Davis
Forever Knight isn't cancelled, it is NCIP Not Currently In Production
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 18:36:01 -0700
From:         Shirley Davis <pitbull@d.......>
Subject:      Anne Rice Books

This is not related to FK.  I'm not sure if I can post this here, and if not
I apologize ahead of time.

I have 3 books for sale of Anne Rice's under the name of A.N.Roquelaure.
These books are about the erotic adventures of sleeping beauty. Because of
the text I am requiring anyone interested in buying them to please send
proof of age, (you must be 21 or older) driver's License, Photo ID. Please
cover up license # or ID #.  Some people are funny about sending a copy of
their license to someone.  I am asking $24 for the set plus $4.00 s&h.
First person to e-mail me privately and is of age will get them.

Shirley  Vampire at Heart
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 19:32:20 -0700
From:         Idalia Kakesako <idaliak@i.......>
Subject:      Re: questions, questions, questions

Hi, Katja!  Welcome back!  :)

Katja wrote in response to a question on the effect of reflected light on FK
vamps:

>A good mirror does qualify - in the ep with the little girl (Father's
>Day? Father Figure? one of those 'father' ones), she's playing with a
>little mirror and reflects the sun right onto Nick's face. He starts
>to smoke.

        The episode is Father Figure, and the light the girl reflected on
his face actually blinded him temporarily.  He ran screaming to his
downstairs bathroom, freaking out the girl in the process.  (I just watched
this episode again recently.)

--
Idalia Kakesako  <idaliak@i.......>
the increasingly bizarre
temp Towel Hander for the CSS on SKL,
N&N Packer, Light Cousin, NatPacker, Faithful
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 22:39:30 -0400
From:         Suzanne Campagna <SuzeCamp@a.......>
Subject:      Re: garlic

Way back on Wednesday Gehirn asked when all this garlic stuff came about, and
why.

There were a few responses,and I would like to add another-

In ancient Ireland , Samhain, the Celtic New Year, marks the beginning of the
dark season, when the worlds of the living and the dead are closest together.
 To keep the spirits of the dead out of their houses, the Celts used garlic.

This is my own little theory, maybe it's a stretch, but, since Bram Stoker
was born in Dublin, he may have known this.  I read somewhere that much of
the modern vampire canon (like FK) was based on "Dracula"...perhaps this
Celtic tradition is what the garlic thing was based on...

Just my little thought I wanted to share...

back to lurkerdom...

Suze
Suze Camp@a.......      Suzecamp@i.......
Dark Knightie/Rogue Blackberry Gatherer of the Bunnies.../UF/SKLer
"...he who dies with the most prizes...still dies." LaCroix
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 22:43:06 -0400
From:         Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject:      Re: FK CD: Content

In a message dated 96-06-30 15:00:06 EDT, Margaret Carter wrote:

<< Is it "just" a selection of music from the show's soundtrack,
 meaning it's all instrumental, or does it include anything with words? >>

     It is all of that and more.  It has a whopping 22 tracks, including 4
songs from the Raven sung by Lori Yates, 4 spoken interludes by Nigel Bennet,
and an (all-too-short) piano intro by GWD!

     And it cannot be described.  It must be experienced!

  --  Ray
   Nat Vamp Camp
    Listening to it now
     Rage!  Rage!  Against the dying of the Knight!
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:49:03 -0400
From:         Heather Poinsett <104753.2325@c.......>
Subject:      Re: garlic

I'm sure that this has been said before, but garlic is supposedly a herb
that has many healing properties.  I know my herbalist has me on it for
sinus infections, and it has been working.  Perhaps the curing properties
were noticed during ancient times and became associated with warding off
vampires and other various ghouls.

Just my .02 cents.

Heather Poinsett
"and I am the Iconoclast--otherwise known as Noodlenoggin"--The Brain
*Cousin*Dark knightie*Unknown*
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Date:         Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:58:40 -0700
From:         Angie <alasher@e.......>
Subject:      LC & Nick - HF spoiler (mild)

At 02:03 PM 6/30/96 -0700, Margie Gillis wrote:
>On a different topic: I've been making tapes for someone over the last
>couple of days, and for some reason it really hit me this time around--LC
>does _not_ get to play the voyeur this season except in the occasional
>flashback.  In second season, it seems like every time Nick turns around LC
>is there, following him, watching him.

I think the reason for this is twofold. First, LC realized that him being
around constantly makes Nick angrier with him than normal.

Second the Radio Show affords him more opportunity to slightly
sting Nick more. All the shows are directed right at Nick, yet anyone
else that is listen will also gain knowledge from it. Its like lifes little
lessons.

In *Human Factor*, LC uses what Nick has done to torment him
more. And although LC doesn't take it to the limit, one gets the feeling
that LC is putting this in his *War Materials* folder so to speak!

Angie
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