FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9606D Part 23
June 27, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606D" Part 23
TOPICS:
Blood Supply
FK Dolls
Night in Question question
Languages Nick speaks (was: YKYB...) (3)
FK Dolls
Ribena-based drinks?
Trees, Quotes, Cow Blood (2)
Time's Running Out to Vote for Fave Episode!
LK/Tracey: Spoiler Contents--beware
Blood Supply <was: Re: LK/Tracey: Spoiler Contents--beware> (2)
Spoiler:AA(fear of sun symbols or crosses)
Musicals
FORKNI-L Digest - 26 Jun 1996
Aztecs!!! (VERY long)
NJ Convention
Question about Nick
Help!!!
war and stuff
Nick speaking German: Good Faith Spoiler Warning, too
Cousins of the Knight-Unite!
James Hong
Hunters
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:49:14 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Blood Supply
Margie wrote:
>In NiQ, I think Natalie says, "You usually drink cow's blood," and in AMPH,
>I think there's something said about cow's blood.<snip> Anything from
>first season?
Cherry Blossoms--the inimitable scene where Janette takes a deep drought of
what Nick has in his glass, makes an awful face, and says, "It's COW, isn't
it?" Also, in Dying to Know You (I think), Nick tells the psychic that "I
don't drink blood--at least, not human." Another 2nd season example is when
Nick has to explain to Schanke why he has cow blood in his fridge (Killer
Instinct). It's paint thickener, of course! What ep is it where Nick is
dipping blood from a slaughterhouse-type barrel and ladling it into his
trademark green bottles? I should hope that's cow--you'd have to drain
quite a few humans to fill a drum that size!
Stephanie Babbitt, Vaquera
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:58:38 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: FK Dolls
Raissa wrote:
>The one piece of FK merchandise that I would love is dolls. You
>know the porcelain dolls they sell at specialty shops...
I'm glad I'm not the only one who'd like these! I'd prefer specialty
fashion dolls, sort of like the new Gone With the Wind Barbie and Ken or
Beverly Hills 90210 dolls. That way, we could buy or make dozens of outfits
for the dolls (especially Janette, of course) and dress them to suit
ourselves. Porcelain dolls aren't always easy to dress and undress, and
they aren't even close to anatomically correct! (Nick and LC do *not* have
mushy stuffed fabric middles, thank you!)
>Nick in his crusader outfit from QoH or his military
>outfit from Father Figure...
Or the long black trenchcoat, or the see-through robe, or the black silk
PJs, or the Stay-Puff marshmallow suit!
>LC in a toga or in that German trenchcoat & hat outfit from OtL...
Or a purple thong <veg>.
Vachon in nothing but jeans and a towel...
Urs in her barroom costume...
Tracy in the "babe cop" outfit...
A wedding ensemble for when Nick & Nat get married... (running from IBs)
Oh, the possibilities are endless!
Wishfully,
Stephanie Babbitt, Vaquera
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:01:07 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Night in Question question
Margie wrote:
>or if the ending is the scene where Nick, after apparently learning some
>things about his life from Natalie, then goes to LaCroix to learn more.
>It's short, but it's a really cool scene, which no doubt Tippi and I will
>interpret completely differently <g>.
Well, of course. ;) But that's the beauty of the show, ain't it?
> Anyway Tippi, do you have the scene
>where Nick goes to LC and says something like, "I want to learn _all_ that I
>am."
Nope. This is how my tape goes: NK goes to Tracy's apt, realizes she's at
the warehouse, zooms off to aforementioned warehouse, struggles with perp,
perp goes tumbling to his death, NK grimaces a bit, then it cuts to LC
saying his ditty as the Nightcrawler. "...who needs enemies?" Finis.
>I really liked that scene. It looked to me like an indication of the
>affection that Nick does have for LaCroix, and also an indication of Nick's
>very mixed feelings about himself. He wants to know about himself, but he's
>also afraid of what he's going to hear.
Damned if he do, and damned if he don't. Poor kid.
>BTW, when I first saw the "enemies" monologue, I thought LC was referring
>to everyone in general. The second time, I thought he might be referring
>specifically to Natalie.
That's an interesting take. If I ever see the thing in its entirety I may
agree with you! ;)
****Wicked Cousin Tippi****
HEY! Want FK stuff? Sony needs to know that you want it! Contact
Anne at TV_ShowStuff@p....... and TELL her NOW! :)
"Poetry can be so deceiving." - LC in Baby, Baby
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:28:21 -0500
From: Mad Hatter <cli7@s.......>
Subject: Re: Languages Nick speaks (was: YKYB...)
At 11:30 AM 6/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Also, in Cherry Blossoms, I can't remember if he actually spoke Chinese
>in this one but Schanke does question him about it. Nick admits he speaks
>some Chinese.
drat. i missed all the eps where Nick purportedly spoke Chinese!
there's two bets: either Mandarin (which i speak/understand) or
Cantonese (which i could recognize, unless their tones and accents
are *really* bad)_
drat drat! it's so *funny* listening to Americans/Canadians/Europeans
try to speak Chinese. and when someone on TV or a movie (like "Joy
Luck Club") *does* speak it correctly, i get this funny grin on my face.
kinda like how someone might react to GWD saying "klew" (which,
unfortunately, i've not the opportunity to experience) .
purina dog ciao
-madhat
<cli7@s.......>
Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live
Not where I love, but where I am, I die.
-r.southwell
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:50:01 -0700
From: Wendy Marie Christensen <wendy@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK Dolls
On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
> I'm glad I'm not the only one who'd like these! I'd prefer specialty
> fashion dolls, sort of like the new Gone With the Wind Barbie and Ken or
> Beverly Hills 90210 dolls. That way, we could buy or make dozens of outfits
> for the dolls (especially Janette, of course) and dress them to suit
Oh FK dress up. I wish *I* had these dolls to play with when I was a kid.
Then we can also have the Raven for them to play in and the caddy. But
lets not forget Nicks loft.
-Wendy Marie- \|/ Unnamed Faction*Cousin
|o o| "We *are* each other. You will always
-------ooO~(_)~Ooo------ be mine, eternally." LC to Nick
wendy@i.......
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:39:57 -0700
From: "B. Janine Morison" <morison@a.......>
Subject: Re: Ribena-based drinks?
>
> Does anyone have the exact recipe for this or other Ribena-
> based mixed drinks (with or without alcohol)?
>
Would a Kir (sp?) or a Kir Royal count if it is made with
Black Current since that is what Ribena is made of?
Kir Royal I think is a shot of Kir in a tall glass of champagne.
Plain Kir... I think is just Kir on the rocks?
Anyone know?
-Janine
knightie and cousin
morison@a.......
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:16:01 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: Trees, Quotes, Cow Blood
>From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
>But that doesn't explain why they have identical trees in identical
>positions across the street as well.
Gee, Kat. Asking the tough questions, aren't you? :-)
Ummmmmm.... maybe there's one species of tree that's just really common in
TO, and the city has special pruning regulations such that they're all
trimmed the same way. Yeah, that's the ticket! :-)
>From: Dann Lunsford <dann@g.......>
>Title is "And Death Shall Have No Dominion". I was always expecting
>Lacroix to read it on the Nightcrawler...
He quoted it in the monologue of "Fever," didn't he? If I recall
correctly, the monologue in "Fever" is a feast of literary allusions,
including Dylan Thomas, John Donne, and the Bible. One nice thing about
watching FK with the closed captioning is that they usually put quotation
marks around the Nightcrawler's quotes. I recommend looking them up in
Bartlett's Familiar Quotations when you don't recognize them. It's fun,
and it tells you what LC reads....
>From: "M. Bates" <queenbts@n.......>
>I also had a dump question: how is it known that Nick's supply of
>vintage in his fridge is cow blood?
In "Dark Knight," Nick sarcastically remarks that it's better for him to
"drink a little cow blood now and then" than to kill humans. In "Night in
Question," Natalie tells him, "You usually drink cow blood. You gave up
human blood a long time ago." In "Killer Instinct," Nick tells Schanke
that the blood in his fridge is cow blood (for thickening his oils) and if
he'd been lying, forensics would have made a point of it. In "Love You To
Death," Nick tells Janette that he hasn't killed since his murder of
Sylvaine, and the only reliable alternative to killing humans is to take
animal blood. In an episode I don't recall, Janette makes a face and a
remark at the cow blood Nick drinks, as does LC in AMPH.
In "Father Figure," however, Lisa accidentally finds bags of blood in
Nick's freezer, which are more likely to be human -- perhaps for
emergencies.... or guests. Or, perhaps, those are samples of Nick's own
blood. I don't believe it was established on screen.
In any case, it is canonical that Nick drinks cow blood, not human blood,
under normal circumstances. Nat's "donated plasma" comment in "Blackwing"
is, imho, just another example of her formidable sarcasm.
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
If Nick and Janette were in love, and Nick became
mortal, what would their relationship be like?
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:29:54 -0400
From: Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject: Time's Running Out to Vote for Fave Episode!
Yes, that's right, balloting officially ends on July 1st, so get those votes
in!
A bunch of you have responded, and thank you very much, but there are still
more out there that I haven't heard from -- and I know you're there, because
I see you posting!
So take a few moments to fill out the enclosed survey. Your children will
thank you. And remember, this is for posterity, so please, be honest.
It's particularly necessary that you vote now, because the competition for
fave ep of season 3 is bloody _fierce_, and I don't want it to end up with a
4-way tie!
I need you to send me:
1) One fave ep for each season, two parters count as one. And I mean just
one ep -- many of you have sent ties, and then I just have to write and ask
you to pick one.
2) One least fave ep of all.
3) Your reasons for your choices.
Let your voice be heard!
Ann
iocaste@a.......
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:26:02 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: LK/Tracey: Spoiler Contents--beware
--->I also had a dump question: how is it known that Nick's supply of
vintage in his fridge is cow blood? I had always assumed that Nat provided
him with *doggie* bottles from the morgue. I mean, after all, where better
to get a continuing supply of human blood....?
Ahhh... remember, Nick has been trying to get himself away from human
blood. Nick only drinks human blood when none available, lapse in
fortitude (like GVP), and in emergencies.
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:32:56 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: Blood Supply <was: Re: LK/Tracey: Spoiler Contents--beware>
At 11:13 AM 6/27/96 -0700, M. Bates wrote:
>how is it known that Nick's supply of
>vintage in his fridge is cow blood? I had always assumed that Nat provided
>him with *doggie* bottles from the morgue. I mean, after all, where better
>to get a continuing supply of human blood....?
In NiQ, I think Natalie says, "You usually drink cow's blood," and in AMPH,
I think there's something said about cow's blood. Does anyone know? There's
a scene in AMPH where LaCroix is drinking blood from Nick's fridge
(apparently) and says, "I suppose the palate could get used to this." So
it isn't human blood. Anything from first season?
Along the same lines though, in Blackwing, Natalie says to Nick, "You drank
three quarts of donated plasma, for breakfast." Any theories on how come
Nick had donated plasma around all of a sudden?
Hmm... interesting point. Perhaps there is something in human plasma that
isn't present in cows blood... But a vampire that has to worry about their
nutrition? Nahhh... can' be... What about then with the Carouches?
(Sorry for rambling).
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:51:52 -0400
From: Samantha Smiley <MaraJade00@a.......>
Subject: Spoiler:AA(fear of sun symbols or crosses)
Spoiler:Ashes to Ashes
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I think that's enough room for this spoiler. Why I think DIvia wasn't afriad
of crooses and LaCroix was was that Divia hasn't drunken the blood of God
fearing humans yet. That one guy and that others she drank from may have been
God fearing people but I think that she hasn't drunken enough to be fear
crosses. Just like old vampires may be afraid of the cross more then vampires
that have just been brought across is that the old vampires have drunken more
blood from God fearing humans then the newly brought across. I hope this
doesn't get confussing to you. Why the egyptian sun symbol may have worked
for Divia and not the other vampires was that she believed in it or that she
believed it was like the sun. Because there was no crosses then because there
was no Christinaity. Therefore the cross would mean anything to Divia. Now
I've git myself confussed. Of well, I hope you get the idea.
Jade(MaraJade00@a.......)- aka Samantha Smiley
Merc/Cousin/Valentine
"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."- some guy
"Reality is in the mind of the beholder."
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:53:45 -0400
From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject: Re: Musicals
In a message dated 96-06-26 15:43:02 EDT, Toni wrote:
>Guys & Dolls--GWD as Nathan Detroit (Frank Sinatra) Nigel as Skye
Masterson (Marlon Brando) John Kapelos as Nicely-Nicely (Stubby Kaye) (in
a checkered vest) Catherine Disher as Nathan's perennial fiancee, Miss
Adelaide (Vivian Blaine) Deb as Sarah Brown (Jean Simmons) (Looking chic
even in a Salvation Army uniform -- as did Jean Simmons)
Now that's a film I'd spend $8 for.
Mary Davis
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:01:18 -0500
From: Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 26 Jun 1996
At 02:36 PM 6/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>There is *no* "Gaelic" language! Gaelic is the root language of Manx,
>Irish, and Scots Gaelic. It is itself a decendant of Celtic, but it is
>*not* a live language!
>Sorry. It just seems like I have to give this lecture at least once a month.
Sorry, but I think your statement is a bit too broad. There are Gaelic
languages, there just isn't "one" but I wouldn't necessarily say that they
are so far apart that they can't be figured out.
Although, I haven't studied the Manx Gaelic yet, just some of the Scots and
the Irish Gaelic.
I think you would have a hard time explaining to the Irish government that
there is no Irish Gaelic, when they are teaching it in their schools and to
the new TV station in Ireland that intends to having programing totally in
Irish Gaelic.
Annmarie
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:26:49 -0600
From: "Elena Villafuerte H." <evilla@u.......>
Subject: Aztecs!!! (VERY long)
On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Karen Parker wrote:
> Aztec sacrifice? I'm not sure but I thought I heard something about the
> Aztecs performing open heart surgery and it was the whites that saw it (how
> ever many years ago) and THEY were the ones who called it "sacrifice" and
> "ripping the hearts out" because they (the whites) didnt know what the
> Aztecs were trying to do.
> If there are any Aztecs on the list that know their own history I'd love to
> hear from you.
>
> If people from the 1920's saw what happens in operating rooms today in 1996
> they might say "we" are doing human sacrifices too.
>
> But I could be completly wrong.....
>
O.K., *you* asked for it!
If anyone doesn't want to know about Aztecs, hit the delete button NOW!
In fact, the Aztec culture admired and respected a lot of values that the
Europeans admired, like compassion, sincerity, humility, etc. etc. But
since they had this human sacrifices, everybody, strating with the
priests, thought it was justifiable to conquer and even destroy the
culture. They thought the Aztecs were in urgent need to be *saved*. since
they had no morals at all.
However, Jacques Soustelle reminds us that each culture has its own conceptions
about what is good or evil, cruel or not. From an antropological point
of view, it is now generally accepted that every culture has the right to
behave as their customs allow (independent of other culture's ideas and
conceptions).
Aztecs didn't sacrifice people by the millions, as it is commonly
believed. Up to half the XV century, human sacrifices were rare.They were
limited to the ocasional slave or prisoner of war who, for an amount of
time, came to represent the god he was going to be sacrificed to. So, he
lived better than the king for a time and then was sacrificed, as a sign
of gratitude to the god. Human sacrifice began to be important from 1430
on. Which means thatthere were about 90 years of human sacrifices.
Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:18:23 -0700
From: "Nina A. Smith"
>Uh ... not when you're on the receiving end of it, and you didn't volunteer.
>Here's a thought experiment for those who, "taking the long view," regard
>the Aztecs as just another culture: imagine a revival of their religion
>in a
>powerful, modern nation, fully equipped with the latest in
>nuclear/chemical/biological armaments, with a well-trained fanatical army
>AND the total Aztec dedication to war as the gods' cafeteria ... looking
>hungrily at us.
The Guerras Floridas, or Wars of the Flowers, were periodic wars that the
Aztecs made against other indigenous tribes. Both antagonists had to be
in agreement to have the war, since its purpose was to get prisoners to
serve as sacrifices. That is, both sides had an opportunity to make
prisoners.
This served two basic ends. One, the Tenochtitlan valley and in general
the central part of Mexico has never been a place of plenty. Which meant
that the indigenous cultures had to have a way to control population. The
Wars of the Flowers permitted this, because the prisoners were sacrificed
and the population remained stable through the years. It may seem cruel
at first, but is it really? It would have been much worse to kill infants
or to allow overpopulation and starvation.
Especially because the other basic end, or the idea behind sacrifices,
was not just to kill unwilling victims. Someone wrote something along
these lines, that I wouldn't have liked to be the unwilling sacrifice.
BUT that's just it. Yes they did sacrifice a few maidens (but those were
the mayas, not the Aztecs) and a few children (let's say, donated by
their parents because of their special characteristics: they were very
beautiful, usually). But mainly the sacrifices were men who had fought in
the wars, perfectly aware of what they were doing and what their fate
would be if they got caught.
So, they weren't quite the unwilling sacrifice.
They accepted being sacrificed because Aztec children (and others) were
brought up believing that life and death were two aspects of the same
reality, two sides of the same coin. Even nowadays, Mexicans joke about
death. We don't see death as something to be mortally afraid of.
Death for the aztecs was the process of giving up something (life) that
everybody knew had to be transferred at some moment. The nahuatl term for
sacrifice, nextlaoaliztli, means literally "the payment". Children were
taught thatthe "flowered death", (under an obsidian knife BTW) was an
honorable way to die.According to the Aztec religion, there were three
ways to get to their "heaven" : being a sacrifice, dying at the
battleground, or in the case of women, to die giving birth. All who died
in one of those three ways were honored and cherished. If they died any
other way (drowned, in their beds, in an accident, of old age, of
sickness, any other way) they were just buried, they didn't count in the
eyes of the gods. Those who died under the obsidian knife had a better
life after death (in Omeyocan, the sun's paradise), while the ones who
died a normal death went to Mictlan, the subterranean world of
anhililation. If you were a firm believer of these things, maybe you
would choose to die as a sacrifice.
In a way, it's like the Arabs that went to holy wars believing that if
they died that way, they would get to paradise (I forget the name). Or
the Kamikazes, or the terrorists in the Middle East. Every body has their
own beliefs.
Besides, sacrifices were given (noy always, but they were) either pulque
(a drink that comes from the same place as tequila does, only this one is
muuuch worse) or a dose of some allucinogen (is that well said? Meaning,
a plant or a fungus that works like dope). So it was easier for them to
accept their fate.
> Cortez and the Spaniards could
>never have conquered the Aztecs without the enthusiastic backing of the
>Aztec Empire's subject peoples.
Ah, but the subject peoples weren't backing the Spaniards because they
didn't want to be murdered... The Aztecs were hated extensively by every
one of the subject "tribes" (they weren't tribes, but let's call them
that) because they asked for tribute. And the tribute was becoming
excessive. The backing up was part of an agreement the Spaniards made
with the lords of Tlaxcala, but not because of the human sacrifices but
because the Tlaxcaltecans were ambitious and had been sorely mistreated
by the aztecs.
And so not-unwilling victims were all the inhabitants of the valley, that
even after the Spaniards had conquered Tenochtitlan, even after they had
destroyed temples and pyramids (isn't that equally barbaric???) and
forced people to accepted Catholicism and build churches... even then
their religion did not die. Since the Spaniards used the Aztecs and other
indians to build the churches, mostly unsupervised...what happened was,
the builders put images of their old gods and godesses in
the inside of the altars. So when the priests said mass, and they thought
that the indians were kneeling to the Virgin and to Christ, what they
didn't know was that there was this little image inside the altar. And
that the indians were kneeling to *that*.
And now even I think I have written waaaaay too much, for which I
(almost) ask for forgiveness. If anyone has any doubts or would be
interested in reading something else, there is a wonderful book named The
Conquest of Mexico, by Hugh Thomas (Yeees, it's in English!) and I highly
recommend it. It even got Thomas the Aguila Azteca, which is the utmost
recognition the Mexican goverment gives to non-mexicans.
Elena
(if anyone was wondering who the FK fan from Mexico was)
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:42:21 -0400
From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: Trees, Quotes, Cow Blood
At 04:16 PM 6/27/96 -0700, Amy R. asked:
>If Nick and Janette were in love, and Nick became
>mortal, what would their relationship be like?
Either non-existent or exactly the same as it is now.
I think that after her experience with Robert's death, it will be a long,
long, long, time before Janette gets involved in another romance with a
mortal. Their deaths cause too much pain. So, she would distance herself
from Nick if he succeeded in becoming mortal.
However, what I really think will happen is that Janette will wreak a little
revenge of her own and bring Nick back across -- with or without his
permission. After all, turnabout is fair play.
Jane (janes@i.......)
Raven ** Immortal Beloved
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference. (Robert Frost)
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:46:14 -0800
From: John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: Languages Nick speaks (was: YKYB...)
<199606272252.PAA07045@m.......>
>>Also, in Cherry Blossoms, I can't remember if he actually spoke Chinese
>>in this one but Schanke does question him about it. Nick admits he speaks
>>some Chinese.
>drat. i missed all the eps where Nick purportedly spoke Chinese!
>there's two bets: either Mandarin (which i speak/understand) or
>Cantonese (which i could recognize, unless their tones and accents
>are *really* bad)_
I vaguely remember this episode. I don't recall how well Nick spoke, but
I think the dilect (sp) used was Cantonese. But the old man who spoke (James
Hong) was ludicrious. (Yes what the old man spoke was Cantonese). Everytime
my brother sees Mr. Hong playing another role, he goes off imitating that
scene where Mr. Hong is practically in tears accusing Nick of killing his
mother. <sigh>
>drat drat! it's so *funny* listening to Americans/Canadians/Europeans
>try to speak Chinese. and when someone on TV or a movie (like "Joy
>Luck Club") *does* speak it correctly, i get this funny grin on my face.
>kinda like how someone might react to GWD saying "klew" (which,
>unfortunately, i've not the opportunity to experience) .
I hope you got a good laugh in "Wayne's World" both Rob Lowe and Mike Myers
TRIED speaking Cantonese. (Mike Myers is Canadian). I for one was mortified.
I don't know if you saw "Games Vampire Play" but there were quite a number of
"klews" in that episode. :)
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:06:38 -0400
From: Siona <siona@n.......>
Subject: Re: NJ Convention
On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Ronni Katz wrote:
> Is anyone on the List going to DexCon? It is in NJ (Somerset, NJ to
> be exact!) at the Doubletree Hotel. I know of a bunch of local (as in
Posting this to the list because I think I'm not the only one who wants to
know, but, what are the dates for DexCon? Somerset's a reasonable
distance for me.
siona@n.......
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:12:47 -0700
From: Shirley Davis <pitbull@d.......>
Subject: Re: Question about Nick
At 03:27 PM 6/25/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi!
>
>I need to know something. We all know that Lacroix was brought across
>during the volcanic eruption in Pompeii, but what about Nick? Does anyone
>know where he was when Lacroix brought him across?
>
>Thanks to anyone who can help.
>
_Nick was brought across in Paris 1228 after coming back from the Crusades.
That is where he lets Janette seduce him and Lacroix brings him across.
Shirley
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:41:53 -0400
From: Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject: Help!!!
To All those who would take pity on my plight:
My @#$%& kitten stepped on the vcr control without my realizing it til now
and I hadn't realized I didn't take out the protection tabs on the tape I was
watching...I've lost my 2hr sp original copies of Sons of Belial & Night In
Question (2 of my very fav eps!!)
If anyone out there has same and could make me a copy?? I don't think these
will get shown again this time around locally as we've already gotten them a
month back.
I'm having a trauma here and thinking of offing the cat!
Please e-mail me privately if you can kindly help me out!!
I'll gladly pay all costs...I just want these eps back!!
~Joy~~
~~Member UF~~Cousin of the Knight~~
Dark Knightie~~Cousin (it's an aquired taste)
***enJOYing an endless Forever Knight...***
*You will always be mine* LC to Nick
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:41:08 -0700
From: Shirley Davis <pitbull@d.......>
Subject: Re: Languages Nick speaks (was: YKYB...)
At 06:32 AM 6/27/96 PST, you wrote:
>AJ listed languages
>:So we have so far,
>:English (given, all epsisodes)
>:French (most episodes)
>:Flemish (native language) (assumed)
>:Latin (as a knight in the crusades) (assumed)
>More than assumed since he did some translating at the beginning of Sons of
>Belial
>
>:German (1966)
>:Vietnamese (Can't Run, Can't Hide) (Korean, perhaps?)
>:Spanish (Sons of Belial)
>:Welsh (Queen of Harps, assumed)
>
>Italian (Jane Doe) (Not only read it, but translated it for Captain Reese.
>It was a quote from Dante, which I had the feeling he had read in the
>original Italian.)
>
>Don't forget Chinese (Avenging Angel)
>
>Kat
Didn't he also speak Russian? I can't remember the epi. name but he was
friends with the czar. The czar's son was sick and nick realized when he
saw the person treating the boy that the boy was being drained slowly. Can
anyone remember the name of this episode?
Shirley
>
>Kat ( June Russell )
>pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
>Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
>
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:51:44 -0700
From: Katrinka <katrinka@f.......>
Subject: war and stuff
since there is an upcoming war, and since my school lets out on aug 1,
and my account there is whiped.
i've gone and did something that will probably be seen as very rash.
i've got an account on my home computer now.
which means, that all my e-mail is going to come to my brand new address.
as a loyal knightie, i need to stay in touch with my knight.
can the person who wanted to talk about bodie please e-mail me at my new
address, as the loop person. my old account erased itself, and i lost the
address.
see you later,
katrinka
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:12:25 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Blood Supply <was: Re: LK/Tracey: Spoiler Contents--beware>
Margie wrote:
>In NiQ, I think Natalie says, "You usually drink cow's blood," and in AMPH,
>I think there's something said about cow's blood. Does anyone know? <snip>
>(apparently) and says, "I suppose the palate could get used to this." So
>it isn't human blood. Anything from first season?
I don't remember anything about cows from first season... Except I think in
Dark Knight LC drinks some cow from a barrel in what I want to call a meat
packing plant. I've only seen DK at an FK party, so I was doing more
laughing and talking than watching, so I can't say for certain.
>Along the same lines though, in Blackwing, Natalie says to Nick, "You drank
>three quarts of donated plasma, for breakfast." Any theories on how come
>Nick had donated plasma around all of a sudden?
A really charitable cow? ;)
Other indications that the blood is bovine:
In "Close Call", Schanke tells LC that bottles of blood were found in Nick's
fridge. LC asks: "Human?" Shanke replies: "No, steer." LC is disgusted,
but not for the reasons Schanke thinks!
In another ep (I want to say "Killer Instinct"), Nick is arrested and cops
search his loft. They find blood. This is the scene Schanke is referring
to in "Close Call". Nick later explains to him it's cow's blood and uses it
for painting. Bleh.
What *I* wanna know is where does LC get all that human vintage for the
Raven. Donors? Bloodmobile?
****Wicked Cousin Tippi****
HEY! Want FK stuff? Sony needs to know that you want it! Contact
Anne at TV_ShowStuff@p....... and TELL her NOW! :)
"Poetry can be so deceiving." - LC in Baby, Baby
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:07:08 CDT
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nick speaking German: Good Faith Spoiler Warning, too
Melanie Bates writes:
<There is also the ep (and I can't place it's
<name for certain, either) where Nick and LC meet a young Hitler on a train
<and debate whether to bring him
<across..,.......aughaughaughaugh.......thankfully, decide against it....
<But they also speak German in that ep/flashback.
You might notice, though, as you listen to Lacroix speak German to the young A.
Hitler, that obviously NB was speaking it phonetically. The sounds were right,
mostly, but the cadence and sureness that comes of knowing what you're saying
weren't there.
I wish I could get a hold of Hitler's sketch of LC, though--talk about a
collector's item!
Nancy
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Name: Nancy Kaminski
E-mail: nancykam@m.......
Date: 06/27/96
Time: 21:07:08
Proud UF-er (UFf-da! as we say in MN), Erstwhile Cousin, Unrepentant Knightie
Delighted to share initials with our beloved Brick
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:24:42 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Cousins of the Knight-Unite!
I just want to clarify something...
Joy wrote:
>We are a small (but growing!) group who believe that the N&LC bond is a
>strong complex one, worthy of the same attention as all the other FK <snip>
>We explore every bond but the one for Unnamed Faction. That means all topics
>covering the father/son/brother/master/slave/protege/friend/enemy bonds.
The Unnamed Faction doesn't explore *just* the romantic/sensual aspect of
the NK/LC relationship. We may have that reputation, but it's just not the
case. We discuss *all* the aspects that Joy lists above, *plus* any others
that we see. We are a *very* complex faction, as complex as the pair we
admire and discuss.
I think if you visit our web page you'll see that. :)
http://www.psnw.com/~deb/wendy/uf/
I know Joy didn't mean to imply the UF doesn't discuss the aspects she
listed above, but I just wanted to clarify.
****Wicked Cousin Tippi****
HEY! Want FK stuff? Sony needs to know that you want it! Contact
Anne at TV_ShowStuff@p....... and TELL her NOW! :)
"Poetry can be so deceiving." - LC in Baby, Baby
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:30:18 EDT
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......>
Subject: James Hong
I'm curious -- would one of our Cantonese speakers mind telling us what
it is, besides the Cherry Blossoms melodrama, that's funny about James
Hong? I gather from his English that he's from North American. Does he
have a foreign accent in Chinese?
Btw, at Toronto Trek 1993, someone asked Ger about the Chinese he spoke
in Dark Knight. His reply was that he'd learned it phonetically. The
questioner, who speaks Chinese, said Ger sounded all right. Ger replied,
"Thanks. What did I say?" :)
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:45:31 -0300
From: Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: Hunters
Last night our local CTV affiliate aired the second season ep, "Hunters".
I have always loved the tag in that ep., where Nat and Nick are talking,
about the hunt. Schanke comes in and had said that he was fine, aside
from sitting on a possible nuclear disaster, and that Myra had been
pestering him about some vacation down to the Gulf of St. Lawrence, and
that he'd been feeling exhausted. Nat suggests that the morgue was not so
busy, and that the others in there wouldn't mind if he pulled up a table
and lay down for a while. After joking around for a bit, before Nick and
Schank left, Nick gave Nat a playful kiss on the cheek.
Lynn Stapleton
d7ux@u.......
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