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Logfile LOG9606D Part 15

June 24, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606D" Part 15

	Trouble in the Knight
	Games Vampires Pla
	Nick and Nat
	the E-word, the G-word, the R-word
	on love and sex
	SPOILER: LK, AtA, Fran -- Good & Evil (long)
	WAR: Who is Leading the FoDs?
	Nick and Nat vs. Nick and Janette
	DRAGON CON '96  (2)
	Nat's Reticence, & Stuff
	Cast FK actors in old movies
	FK Merch Survey again, per request!
	Reminder: The Fave Episode Survey Continues!
	Fan Appreciation
	I'm leaving
	150+ responses each.  200 or bust!
	SciFi Channel
	Nick, Nat and Janette; brief LK SPOILERS
	The Fix/Nick & Nat
	GWD's accent

Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:30:24 -0400
From:         Soulseek <soulseek@s.......>
Subject:      Trouble in the Knight

Hello All,

        I thought I'd take this moment to delurk and express my opinion.
To my knowledge FORKNI-L was set up to discuss Forever Knight and its
many aspects and relationships. Nick&Nat are a part of FK whether we
like it or not, as are Janette&Nick, and therefore it is surprising that
people are going to discuss it. Not everyone may wish to read about it
but that's where the delete key comes in handy, I know that's what I use
when there is a post I prefer not to read. Everyone has the right to
express their opinion. Not everyone will view the same scene in the same
way, so if we accept that then we can all be more tollerable of each
other's opinions. In my opinion having the discussions moved from the
main list defeats the purpose of FORKNI-L and the spirit in which in
was set up. This post was not intended to offend, but to state my
opinion and if you were offended then you have my apology.

*                       Soulseeker                       *

* N&N Packer Faction Leader and Guardian of Mortal Love  *
*         " In Love and Faith There is Forever "         *
*        http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/soulseek        *
*                  soulseek@s.......                  *

Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:45:58 -0700
From:         "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@i.......>
Subject:      Games Vampires Pla

Spoiler space
lean into the room

AnnMarie wrote:
<< Did it bother anyone else that Nat referred to "it" as killing and not
feeding as Nick did? >>

Actually it *was* killing.  That episode always bothered me because there's
*no* way a VR feeding could even come close to the real thing and so Nick
should never have become so addicted. The hunting/killing angle should have
been played up a lot more than it was, IMO.


Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@i....... * romana@a.......
NatPack * BotCoS * Keeper of the GopherGame
Nat's B&B          http://members.aol.com/romana/natpage_stuff/natpack.htm
Save FK            http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
"Dolphins have no use for psychodiagnostic categories."  --Douglas L. Medin
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:53:34 -0700
From:         "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@i.......>
Subject:      Nick and Nat

Spoiler space for Fancesca
out at me?

Felicia wrote:
<< I believe in the theory that Natalie knows Nick-the-vampire, and tends to
attribute the bad qualities to the vampire, but the good qualities to the
man.  That she thinks when Nick is cured, many (if not all) of his bad
qualities will become a non-issue;  >>

Had Nick and Nat not had the discussion in "Francesca" about him still
having all the bad stuff when and if the vampire is gone I'd have agreed
with you.  However, in that episode, she clearly points out to him that all
his evils and faults will still be there, whether the vampire is there or
not.  I thought she was falling into the same trap Nick had fallen into--the
vampire is bad and when it goes away all the bad stuff will go away too--and
was very glad that that episode put the fact that Natalie doesn't
necessarily think that into canon.

Were you amongst those who only got "Francesca Doe"? <g>


Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@i....... * romana@a.......
NatPack * BotCoS * Keeper of the GopherGame
Nat's B&B          http://members.aol.com/romana/natpage_stuff/natpack.htm
Save FK            http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
"Dolphins have no use for psychodiagnostic categories."  --Douglas L. Medin
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:05:19 -0500
From:         Mad Hatter <cli7@s.......>
Subject:      the E-word, the G-word, the R-word

At 12:06 PM 6/24/96 +0500, you wrote:
>Please note that in both cases, this is considered a *legal* term <g>.  A
>killing of one human being by another, even in our own culture, is not
>automatically "murder".  Key words are "aforethought", "malice", "brutally",
>etc.  ((-storm))

oui; thus society and *its* rules plays the major role in that determination.
[who believes nature vs nurture? sorry, i'm not sure where that came
from ;P ]
i'd also add that it is the killing of an *unwilling* victim [which, in
our case, is human]_
ceremonial sacrifices can be seem very brutal. but most subjects considered
it an honor to die for one's deity. [which goes the same for just about any
other religion, really.]
as for theological arguments around defining evil/good/blabla_
there is talk of murder in the air, and their gods walk among them too

if actions speak louder than words, and if truth resides in the leaves of
history [and the bible/torah/etc. are NOT synonymous with history]--
if we can find them, then just remember that religion is not
without evil in itself.

to quote an acquaintance: "what war ISN'T about religion?"

and  if you're pagan/wiccan/whatever those are, if the keywords
"inanna, au set, catal huyuk, cretan ophis, avebury, kurgans" mean anything
to you, especially "tribal proliferation under their god,"
then you'll also know what i mean.

faith is NOT the same thing as religion. Nick had faith.
perhaps he had a specific theofaith, but what interests me
is his faith in himself, in Nat, in "that thing called love."
that seems a purer faith.

so why do people have theofaith? i don't know if a pious anyone out
there has studied archeosociology in the murky depths of theology.
this is what theology did for ancient paleolithic humans and later:

-to explain inexplicable things, like rain, rainbows, earthquakes, volcanoes,
  etc..    [now there is a thing called "science" and "rational theory."]
-to provide spiritual comfort in questionable times, especially when
  confronted with the Uknown, which almost always was Death.
 [then there is the question if Death was really that bad to be scary about]

and finally, the most interesting thing about sociotheology:

-"Theology is ultimately political. The way human communities deify
the transcendent and determine the categories of good and evil
have more to do with the power dynamics of the social system which
create the theologies than with the spontaneous revelation of truth
from another quarder."  --sheila collins

[and for those of you who aren't sure, any holy texts written so long ago
were written by high priests/warriors who just happened to also be the
most powerful personages of their group and who just happened to be
the richest and most well-off in their group, judging from burial practises...]
which means people in power write morals for people under them.
scary, isn't it? which is why such a sociotheological theory went
untouched for a long time. humans are creative. dangerously so.

and although i think the idea of a vampiric psychosomatic response
is somewhat ludicrous, partially, it does have merit. the mind is an
amazing thing. [except when it's kept in the dark.]

so, there are really Two Laws Of The Real Universe:

1. everything is relative; socialization is everything. [mix and match as
        you please]

2.   Once Fa-Yen was asked,
                "What is the first principle?"
        He answered: "If I should *tell* you,
                it would become the second principle."
        [-zen mondo]

oh, this was long. and slightly discombobulated. SORRY!

can we talk about something civil? such as
please translate the following:
"indeed he knows not how to know who knows not also
how to un-know." -sir richard francis burton

ps: my condolences to Laurie!

-ereshkigal, aka mad hatter
"is it the death, or the dying?"
"HA! made ya think!"

"we dance around in a ring & suppose
but the secret sits in the middle & knows."
-robert frost
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:11:41 -0700
From:         "Toni C. Holm" <tch@w.......>
Subject:      "Evil"

I swore I'd stay out of this, but... (I'm on digest so my apologies if all
this has already been said by the time I post)

Ann Lipton said:
>Aack ... doesn't anyone agree with me that on FK, merely the state of being a
>vampire means you're evil?

        I certainly don't.  If it were we'd be all be watching a pretty
boring straight ahead horror (see vampire... see vampire chomp.. see human
die) show instead of the complex, interesting, questioning, thoughtful and
often contradictory bit of unusual television we all seem to love. (Even if
it does sometimes seems as if we're all watching different versions.)

        While it's true that *at times* they've shown *Nick* as believing
that the very fact of his being a vampire makes him "evil", they also show
Nick (and other vampires) as being caring, protective, fair, loving and
engaging in what are generally thought of as positive acts.  How does this
fit with the idea of their very existence making them evil?

>To me, the ultimate proof's in the crosses.  As long as any vampire is
>repelled by crosses, that means that God (on the show) definitively finds
>them evil.  And Nick is repelled by crosses always, even if it does get a
>little better over time.

        I'm getting a little tired of the assumption that we should all
accept the "tall man upstairs with the fluffy white beard" idea of a deity
or accept a deity at all.
As Jane appropriately commented:
>The religious beliefs of listfolk encompass a broad spectrum, including
>pagan, jewish, christian, buddhist, agnostic and atheist (to name but a few).
        To which I would add some do not accept the idea of any religion at

        Even within the context of the show, the characters are not all of
similar religious and/or philosophical backgrounds and certainly don't share
the same beliefs about "good" and "evil" and all the shades in between.  To
me this goes to the heart of why the show is interesting and not a simple
vampire horror show.

         Vampires per se don't interest me, the complexity of these
characters, the relationships between them and their internal
inconsistencies do.  It will come as no surprise perhaps if I say this is
one of the same problems I have with most organized religions. In my
experience, Life is a complex process of day to day decisions, not a matter
of following someone else's rules until you get the brass ring.  Evil is
hardly a term of art and if often a matter of perspective.

        Regarding crosses -- On FK, vampires are shown being repelled by
religious memorabilia of many types (a menorah and a sacred raven knife are
two that come to mind).  Again, even only considering the contents of the
show, that does not speak to me of one big coherent whole unified belief and

        Last regarding Nick and Nat - I echo Felicia's question -- How many
of us would consider it a special "romantic" or "loving" (beyond friendship)
relationship if the man in question treated you as Nick has Nat?  If there
is all this suppressed, deep love of Nat in Nick when does she get to see
it?  In Last Knight?  Not my idea of a "good date".

        As for all the Madonna/Whore comparisons of the two female
characters, I find the whole discussion pretty insulting to *both* Janette &
Nat.   I think the show admirably tried to avoid that trap and it appalls me
to see "us" fall into it.  I don't buy the idea that some seem to be
espousing that "true love" is inherently "non-sexual love" and that Nick &
Nat have a "pure" relationship while Nick & Janette's is somehow tainted.  A
question I pose seriously to those who think Nick & Natalie are true loves:
Do you think Natalie wants a purely non-sexual relationship? Would you be
satisfied with a purely non-sexual relationship with your own "true love"?

                        -Toni   <tch@w.......>
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:24:17 -0600
From:         "Elena Villafuerte H." <evilla@u.......>
Subject:      on love and sex

After reading a lot of messages about N&J and N&N and love and sex, I
suddenly had this flashback.
I don't remember who said this but it was a famous writer ( I read it
looooong ago). It goes something like this:

                Love without sex is philosophy
                Sex without love is gymnastics

Now you may disagree, but I (being unaffiliated) believe that N&N have a
great philosophical discussion and N&J could probably enter the Olympics.:)

(I hope I haven't offended any faction, being a newbie I know there are many
but haven't had them explained to me. BTW, could someone update me on
this, off list? This is probably a very stupid request but I would really
like to know!)

Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:45:17 -0800
From:         John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject:      Re: SPOILER: LK, AtA, Fran -- Good & Evil (long)

On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Margie Hammet wrote:

>> At 09:50 AM 6/22/96 -0500, TippiNB wrote:
>> >Amy wrote:
>> >>.... yes, we can say that someone is wrong, and even evil. ....
>> >>ripping the living hearts out of unwilling victims?  That would be wrong

>> >>and evil, and it would be just fine to say so.
>> >So the Aztecs were wrong and evil, too?  Whatever they were doing socially
>> >allowed them to become one of the most advanced and largest civilizations
>> >history.  Their religion worked for *them*.

Interesting that you would make the connection that the Aztecs being advanced
dispite their practice of human sacrifice.  Let's throw in another example
a bit more contemporary.  Hitler during the 1930s.  Germany, a defeated
nation of WWI rises to become a super power.  Obviously their religion or
political views worked for THEM.

It is dangerous to associate wealth & technological advancement as items
of a righteous society because the road taken to achieve these fruits, may
not be so pretty.

>> So if murder appears to "work" for a society it's okay?  The only criterion
>> is whether it "works"?

>Just a minute, please.
>At least in the Aztec religion, it was NOT NOT NOT murder, it was
>ceremonial sacrifice which is, IMO, an entirely different thing...

Try practicing the Aztec religion here in the US, Canada, or any other
"modern civilized nation".  Let's see if they agree with you that
human sacrifice (even if the sacrifice is a willing participant) isn't

I've been gone for a while, but following this thread it beginning to look
that what is considered "civilized" is much like what is in fashion
in the clothing industry.

Forever Factionless

Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:43:00 -0500
From:         patrick kortner aiex <paiex@i.......>
Subject:      Re: WAR: Who is Leading the FoDs?

        I am leading the FoDs in War VII. I kinda like the idea of Schanke
remaining a ghost, and hanging around in the Happy Souvlaki Deli, but one
can never tell. I may decide to resurrect him.

Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:47:12 -0400
From:         "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject:      Nick and Nat vs. Nick and Janette

I'm sorry to see Laurie C.F. go no mail, especially since the conversation
is getting back on track.

Yes, this topic is valid for this list.  Yes, as I stated, people have
differing opinions, BOTH supported by the facts.

As a Ravenette, I don't find the list at all inhospitable to people who
think that Nick and Janette are an item or for people who like Janette.  As
someone who likes the Nick & Nat idea, I don't find the list inhospitable to
that thought as well.

There WERE some posts earlier this weekend that indicated that you had to be
one or the other.  I'm not.  I see it can go either way.  It all depends on
the content.  Neither one is wrong and neither is right.

Should this conversation be taken to private e-mail?  When the argument is
between two or three people who do nothing but reiterate the same points and
are down to name-calling because there's nothing new to say on the topic,
yes.  I'm probably wrong, but I've been intrigued by the arguments on both
sides and there are new arguments every day.


susang@v....... -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
Faithful Ravenette, because somebody STILL has to.
"Friends help you move.  Real friends help you move bodies."
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:26:12 -0400
From:         Rosie Rigg <rosie@d.......>
Subject:      Re: DRAGON CON '96

I also attended Dragon Con '96.  One of the booths was selling the
Forever Knight CD.  When I couldn't find one in his rack, he said
that this was the 6th time he'd had to refill it.  Evidently the FKCD
was VERY hot property!
Rosie Rigg                              rosie@d.......
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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:50:33 -0400
From:         "Michael W. Smith" <mwsmith@a.......>
Subject:      Re: DRAGON CON '96

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Rosie Rigg wrote:

> I also attended Dragon Con '96.  One of the booths was selling the
> Forever Knight CD.  When I couldn't find one in his rack, he said
> that this was the 6th time he'd had to refill it.  Evidently the FKCD
> was VERY hot property!
I know, I was only able to find it at one little place in the back
corner. It is however, one of the BEST cd's I've ever heard. The music is
INCREDIBLE! I know it's been said, but go buy it! Don't make me hunt you
down heheh :)

                                -Cousin Mike

"Somewhere, for everyone, there is that person, who, inside their mind,
carries the memories of a person's soul so that they might never be
forgotten, and in that, we are all immortal." Julie Randolph
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:31:27 -0500
From:         Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject:      Re: Schanke

Amy wrote:
>I would really enjoy reading an analysis of Schanke that goes beyond food
>references.  Are there any analytically-minded FoDs out there?

I'm not an official FoD, but I've grown to respect and like Schanke very
much as I work my way through the season 1 & 2 tapes. My favorite Schanke

Suspect: "Do they train you to be tactless?" Schanke: "No, that's genetic.
They train us to be thorough."

To Nick, who is holding a suspect out an open window, "Think of the
paperwork if you drop him!"

What I like best about Schanke is his loyalty. No matter what Nick does or
how much trouble he's gotten into, Schank still believes in him and sticks
by him. (Killer Instinct is the best example). Nick is his *partner*,
period, end of discussion. Schank reminds me of a good hunting dog:
dependable, predictable, and unflinchingly devoted. Nat summed it up
nicely: "Schank's no prince, but at least he cares." His loss must have
been devastating to Nick.

I've also grown to admire John Kapelos very much. It takes good acting to
play a character like Schanke consistently without making him seem like a
buffoon. The ep that really garnered my respect, though, was Stranger Than
Fiction. In the fantasy sequence, Kapelos does an absolutely spectacular
satire of Nigel Bennet's LaCroix. He has everything down, including the
facial gestures, the lilt and pause of the voice, the tipping of the head.
NB must have been ROFL offscreen, and I don't know *how* GWD kept a
straight face.

I hardly knew him, yet I miss him. Where's his ghost, anyways? :-)
Stephanie Babbitt, Vaquera
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:51:16 -0400
From:         Judith Freudenthal <DanaKnight@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Nat's Reticence, & Stuff

Warning - Dead of Night spoilers below.

I think one of the reasons Natalie is afraid of relationships is due to her
grandmother abusing her when she was a child.  It left behind some serious
emotional scars.  One of which is her fear of relationships.

It is pretty easy to see behind Natalie's happy, joking fasade.  She can be
tough when the situation is grim, but underneath she's quite vunerable.  She
suffers from a low self-esteem.

In some ways Nick is quite the same only LaCroix is responsible for much of
Nick's low self-esteem.  The rest is all Nick's.  His guilt does not help
matters, nor does his self-defeating attitude.

This is one reason I think they are good for each other.  They see the good
in each other, that they don't see in themselves.  I think that slowly they
are helping to heal the other, when neither is being dense or just plain
stupid.  Yes, they do sometimes hurt the other, but that is a fact of life.

I like the characters because they are so flawed, just like we all are.
 Everyone has many flaws, it is those flaws that make us who we are.

As for Nick and Janette, I think he did love her very much at one time, but
when she left it really hurt him, leaving him unable to get so deeply
involved with anyone.  Nat may be the first woman he's willing to risk so
much of his heart for, but at the same time he's afraid to risk it.  I think
he loves Janette as a sister, or an old very dear friend, but nothing more.
 THey may have great sex, but that comes from their years together.

I am not going to go into any great details because I don't see the need for

Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:07:16 -0500
From:         MISS YOLANDA RIVERA <YHUX14C@p.......>
Subject:      FK....

I just want to throw up. I was flipping channels just about 5 minutes
ago and I saw an ad for Forever Knight. I stopped and realized that
it was on USA. Then I realized it was an ad for the Sci-fi channel.
My cable company doesn't carry Sci-fi and are sick of hearing from me.
I was so disappointed. It was a cool ad spot though. Oh well.....

Good things come to those who wait.    .............well........I'm
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:19:33 -0500
From:         D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Cast FK actors in old movies

Just what we needed!  A fun and frivolous thread! :0

Ger as Don Lockwood in "Singing In The Rain"
Deb Duchene as Lena Lamont (I think she'd have fun with the role!), Lisa Ryder
as Cathy Selden (just can't see Catherine Disher in that part, sorry) and John
Kapelos as Don's side-kick, Cosmo Brown.

Holiday Inn (*not* White Christmas) with Ger in the Bing Crosby role, Nigel in
Fred Astaire's, Deb as Bing's ex-partner, and Cath as his True Love. (Deb would
look better in those floor-sweeping gowns the ex wore, IMHO)

Nigel and Deb in *any* of the old Fred Astaire/Ginger Roger movies....

Can you tell I like musicals? <g>

Diane E
# D Echelbarger                        gryphon@e.......  #
#   WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/      #
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:21:02 -0700
From:         Rick Bleyle <papaya@i.......>
Subject:      Re: FK Merch Survey again, per request!

Hey i aanswered this in the questions that you gave!

  I Would  purchase the following under $ 20 unless it's a really good
>     --novels?  in the FK "universe"
>     -- fanzines
>     -- filkbooks
>     -- original music books/sheets
>     -- The Raven/club stuff depending on what it is
>     -- more music by Fred FK only
>     -- technical books from the sets? scripts?
>     -- FK fantasy art
>     -- FK t-shirts w/ black and white logo or a pic of a charctor on
        the show
>     -- posters of group pics
>     -- Ribena I don't know I think that that suff is nasty
>     -- FK vamp stuff the teeth
>4)  How about FK chocolate?
>        -- what shape? I have no idea
>        -- what type of choclate? (milk, Belgian)
>        -- how much/pound would you pay? ???
>5)  Would you buy different factions' FK chocolate?  If so, please
>    indicate what flavor or filling would be most appropriate for
>    each group (i.e. what filling for cousins, perkolators, etc.)
        I don't know what group but.. red cherrys

Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:53:30 -0400
From:         Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject:      Reminder: The Fave Episode Survey Continues!

This is just to urge those of you who have not yet responded to write to me
and let me know your faves from FK!

The polls close on July 1st, and I'll post the results.

I'm looking for:

1) Your favourite episode in each of the three seasons (One ep per season,
two-parters count as one)

2) Your least favourite episode (One ep only please)

3) Your reasons for your choices.

If you haven't seen enough of a given season to respond intelligently, then
just respond about the seasons you know.

I've gotten several replies so far, and it's really a kick -- I'm very
surprised at people's choices.  In case not everyone knows, we are a _very_
diverse group.

So add your voice to the chorus, and rock the vote!

Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:38:47 -0500
From:         Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject:      Fan Appreciation

The following was sent to me by a Loop member, it sure looks like FK fans
are dedicated to buying FK or FK related products. Special thanks to:  Lisa
Marvin <wyllow@n.......>
for passing this along to all of us.

And a special note, Hugo has joined the loop, so he will still be keeping up
on FK!
Thanks Tippi for passing this along to him.

>-- [ From: Anne Sayers * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
>In one of the loop messages there was a notice to Denver area members
>about obtaining copies of GWD's "Hauntings" book-on-tape. These are
>super nice people who are trying to get more copies -- since the
>message appeared they are out and they're having a bit of trouble
>getting more. They did agree to sell me one of their two rental copies
>however. Anyway, they are Audio Adventures in Boulder, Colorado, and
>they have an 800 number -- 1-800-713-8345. If more Colorado people call
>and express interest it might help. Just thought it would be nice to
>give them some credit since they were so helpful.
>Anne Sayers
*Cousin*, *Vachon Ogler*, *Official Tucker In-er of the Clan Macgregor*
*Ambassador to the "Old Dude"*  *PWFC* *MFW Cavalry, Rider of Methuselah*
*DMC* *MPPB* *MPEB* *X-Phile*
*Forever Knight SOS/FK: http//members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
** The Mother of Invention *had* to have been a single Mother! **
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:44:48 -0400
From:         June Williams <cousin@w.......>
Subject:      Re: I'm leaving

 All that happens is a lot of people get very >upset being told that their
personal opinion is wrong, misguided, or just plain nuts.

Isn't the reason for a list like this is to have a place to celebrate the
many splendored thing we call FK ?  Not bash each other.  Yeah Ms F.

It has become acutely painful and difficult for someone who likes Janette
from before third season to be on this list.
>We have to constantly listen to people calling her "evil";  a "whore";
>Nick's "lust object", the *evil temptress who coldly seduced Nick for
>LC and then stepped aside*

Holy Smokes, I'm glad I've been hitting that delete button.  When Laurie
feels the need to duck out we must REALLY be in trouble.

Laurie, going no mail after this post

Never Give Up The Fight For The Knight.
E-Mail me or begin your journey at the homepage:
"I like my men like I like my coffee, pale and bitter" - cousin@w.......
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:49:03 PDT
From:         "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
Subject:      150+ responses each.  200 or bust!

More than 150 each for the FK responses, including those coming from
the SOS-FK website form!  Keep those "cards & letters coming!"

Two more days to go. 200+ or bust!

p.s. Condolencenses (sp?  it's getting LATE!) to Listmommie's hard drive.
If Jamie is still in town (a vacation was planned I thought), and anyone
can reach her through alternative means, please ask her to contact me
about "the macro" if possible.  I need it to convert the web responses
back into english.  OR,

"Calling All Able-Minded Computer Types"...
... to help me write a small macro.  Pls contact me offline.  Jamie
    had offered before her machine went "cablooey!"  (I can send you the
    info to create the macro Jamie had in mind.  I'm a decent user, but
    NO programmer!)


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Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:58:42 -0400
From:         Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@u.......>
Subject:      SciFi Channel

Well I just heard that the SciFi Channel has picked up Mystery Science
Theater 3000 and they'll be doing *original* episodes beginning
in February.

So since MST3K got picked up, maybe there's hope for Forever Knight....
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:23:58 -0700
From:         Rick Bleyle <papaya@i.......>
Subject:      pictures

    Hey all, I was wondering how to download pictures 'cause I can
download sound files but it won't let me download pictures?!?!

            Kelley Bleyle

    P.S. and where to download them from?!?!
Date:         Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:00:18 -0400
From:         Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Hello?

Hi All!

I've not got any mail from the list in a loong time (read:hours!)
This has never happened before.

Could someone please post so I can see if I'm getting mail?


~~Member UF~~Cousin of the Knight~~
Dark Knightie~~Cousin (it's an aquired taste)
***enJOYing an endless Forever Knight...***
*You will always be mine* LC to Nick
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:08:30 -0700
From:         Oppenheimer's <mjopp@x.......>
Subject:      Re: Nick, Nat and Janette; brief LK SPOILERS

I started watching the first season and from the first I thought that
Nick loved Nat. In OTL, Nick was only acting as though he felt protective
about Nat out of brotherly concern. He told her in the same episode that
he would only ruin her life if he didn't leave her alone. He's afraid of
hurting or killing Nat, he doesn't want to bring her across since she'll
then be "evil", what choice does he have but to try to keep her at a
distance? I would love to have seen some dangerous liaisons betwwen them.
Reading the discussions about the subject, I am suprised that it is not
obvious to everyone how much they both love each other but neither can be
the first to break down and confess fully to each other.
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:27:39 -0700
From:         Oppenheimer's <mjopp@x.......>
Subject:      Re: The Fix/Nick & Nat

I think in "The Fix" Nick was just too hyped up and excited to think
about love or sex. Also, if he thought the cure was permanant, why RUSH
into a thing with Nat? I also think that if Nat and Nick consumated their
relationship, FK would have no more compelling stories, it would be the
end, the finale. By the way, as much as I hated and felt ripped off by
LK, remember, they do admit to wanting to be together forever, however
they can......
Date:         Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:46:23 -0500
From:         Erin Friedman <efriedm1@m.......>
Subject:      GWD's accent

Don't you just LOVE the way GWD says "clue?"  I was watching tonight's
episode about the vampire virtual reality game (sorry, I missed the first
few minutes, and the title, sigh), and I just love the way his accent shows
up in only that one word.  I wonder why that word instead of others?  Anyone
have any ideas?
Erin Friedman
Nick & Nat Packer home page- http:home.sprynet.com/sprynet/soulseek
" In Love and Faith, There is Forever"
Save FK- http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR
If you want FK merchandise, contact Anne at TV_Showstuff@p......., and
let her know, NOW!!!
Or check out their web site at http://www.tvshowstuff.com

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