FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9606D Part 7
June 22-June 23, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606D" Part 7
TOPICS:
Janette evil? -- Spoilers, HF (Was Re: Nick and Nat) (2)
FK actors in other roles
German fan's need
Nick and Nat (2)
The Stars in Ourselves and computer problems.
THE FUTURE!
Question of the Week
Can you help me? (2)
The Fix and mortality (was: Spolers: Blackwing)
Holy water
Nat's Reticence, & Stuff
Ger and a new series
The Fix & other stuff
Good and evil
Which season for N&N packers?
Where do we go from here?
FK-TV SHOWSTUFF
where do we go from here
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:46:38 -0700
From: Elizabeth Ann Lewis <lizbet@p.......>
Subject: Janette evil? -- Spoilers, HF (Was Re: Nick and Nat)
At 4:48 PM 6/22/96, Jane Credland wrote:
>Warning: there is a small Human Factor spoiler towards the end of this post.
Moved far closer due to my snipping, so...
1........
2 He was brought across in 1228
3 Preyed on humans for their blood
4 Now he wants to be mortal again
5 To repay society for his debts
6 To emerge from this world of darkness
7 From this endless, forever Knight...
8........
9........
10.......
>At 04:23 PM 6/22/96 -0400, Ann Lipton wrote:
>>for Janette, which was based on her power over him and her evil sucking up
>>his (relative) purity.
>Can you please give me one example of Janette being evil? I don't want a
>general statement that she's a vampire, vampires are evil, and therefore
>Janette must be evil. That is false logic. I want one single example,
>drawn from an episode, that shows that Janette is uncategorically,
>undeniably evil.
The murder of the musician in False Witness (I believe). She had
absolutely no reason to kill that person other than to annoy Nick. (If I
am forgetting something in my analysis I am sure it will be pointed out to
me, for it has been a while since I have seen that episode.)
>The Janette I know and love is the one who, among many other things:
>- was once an abused, noble born prostitute (who still took the time to care
>for and try to protect one of her fellow prostitutes) and, in the present
>day, sheltered prostitutes and vampires at the Raven (FWTD);
>- called Natalie and Schanke to rescue Nick from himself, when Nick
>re-vamped himself (FtB);
>- risked her life to prove that her lover was innocent so that his son would
>not grow up believing that his father was a criminal (HF);
>- tried to protect Natalie from the vampires when Natalie lost control (AMPH);
>- agreed to let Schanke stay in the Raven for protection (even though it
>endangered the vampires who slept there) and took the time to keep him
>company (Hunters).
All of those examples are either very early in her life or in the present.
I much prefer Janette of the present, and am a loyal follower of the
Janette who wants her mortality back! :)
Lizbet ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Proud Member of the Mercenary Guild
lizbet@p....... ~~ Lizbetann@a....... ~~ Ravenette of the New Order ~
Cleopatra ~ Knightie/NatPacker/N&NPacker with Cousinly tendencies and the
faintest of leanings toward Vanquera-ism ~~ Arnyd yw Ewyll hyd yw ~~
Listowner, Middle Ages Life ~~ http://members.aol.com/Lizbetann/mypage.html
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:43:24 -0500
From: MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN <GNBV32C@p.......>
Subject: FK actors in other roles
While watching "Road to Avonlea" to try and get on tape the episodes
that Nigel did, I also noticed that Kathryn Long (Divia) is in that
same series, playing Cally Dean. I haven't, so far, seen any episodes
that she's actually been in, but her name is listed in the credits.
And I imagine her character is >very< different from Divia <g>.
And Greg Kramer (Screed) showed up in a two-part episode of
"Goosebumps" called something like "Welcome to Camp Nightmare". He
only had one tiny scene in part one, which was shown today, and I
couldn't quite figure out what he was supposed to be playing, whether
it was a camp counsellor or what, but he was definitely a "scary"
character <g>. Maybe the explanation for his character is in part two.
A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North"!) Via Internet: gnbv32c@p....... (preferred
address) or be028@t.......
*** Help save Forever Knight! Ask me how. ***
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 20:52:07 -0700
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Re: Janette evil? -- Spoilers, HF (Was Re: Nick and Nat)
On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Elizabeth Ann Lewis wrote in response to Jane's
request that someone come up with an evil act on Janette's part:
> The murder of the musician in False Witness (I believe). She had
> absolutely no reason to kill that person other than to annoy Nick. (If I
> am forgetting something in my analysis I am sure it will be pointed out to
> me, for it has been a while since I have seen that episode.)
Stepping forward and saluting smartly. That's certainly how Nick saw it.
No question about it. However, all Janette did was have dinner. She
thought Nick wanted her for dinner, and decided to taste her first. Her
line when Nick caught her was "I was wrong; you do have good taste."
Lizbet continues:
> All of those examples are either very early in her life or in the present.
> I much prefer Janette of the present, and am a loyal follower of the
> Janette who wants her mortality back! :)
The Janette who wants her mortality back doesn't in fact, exist. She is a
character who briefly had mortality back and adjusted to it because she's
a very practical woman. Those of us who like the Janette of seasons one
and two would point out the following things about her:
She rescues Nick from himself in The Fix; she comforts Nick in the
flashback in Hunted; she rather snarkily reassures Natalie in the present
in Faithful Followers (an otherwise unrewatchable episode); she arrives to
rescue Nick from jail in Killer Instinct; she gives the baroness a gift in
If Looks Could Kill; she rescues Nick from himself in Cherry Blossoms; she
tries to talk sense into Nick in I Will Repay; she takes care of LC in Bad
Blood (both in the present and in the past); she screws up but admits it
in Father's Day. She asserts her independence in Partners of the Month.
She's kind to both Nick and LC in BMV.
Evil? Perhaps when she plays along with LC in the flashback in Dead Air
but as others have pointed out, her actions in that case might be about
self-preservation, just as her actions in Father's Day are about
self-preservation, finally; and perhaps her actions in DBtLotM and Near
Death could be construed as selfish, but I doubt they'd be categorically
evil either.
You know, in the two plus years I've been here, I've stated that I'm a
Raven, but I've never done a complete review of Janette's character
before. Perhaps it's time to do that already. I'll probably be as hard
on her as I am on Natalie at times. Could prove ... interesting.
Raven Cynthia
Cynthia Hoffman/choff@v.......
"Not like Other Girls"
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 01:06:01 -0400
From: Suzanne Campagna <SuzeCamp@a.......>
Subject: Re: German fan's need
Hi! There seems to be a bit of confusion (or maybe not) on what exactly
format tapes going to Germany should be in should be in...they should be PAL.
Most of Europe and Australia are Pal, France is vertical secam . The US,
Canada and Japan are NTSC. Other continents vary from country to
counrty.(There is also Pal-N, Pal-M and Horizontal or middle east secam.)
The differences are no in the physical tape, it's the frame rate , number of
lines on the screen and some other technical stuff.
What makes me the expert...well I work for one of those transfer houses. We
tend to be on the expensive side though, because we use broadcast quality
equipment. If you are going to get tapes converted, some video stores do this
too.
OK Techie mode off!
Is someone keeping track of stores that sell the FK CD. I got an e-mail from
a small Boston chain...Newbury Comics, the woman said they had it on sale for
$11.98!
Suze
Suze Camp @a....... SuzeCamp@i.......
Dark Knightie/Rogue Blackberry Gatherer of the Bunnies.../UF/SKL
Massachusette
"I used to think life was unfair, then I thought it would be far worse if
life were fair, and all the bad things happened because we actually deserved
them." Marcus, B5
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 01:10:09 -0400
From: Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Nat
I wrote:
>as far as we see, it's his first romantic liaison not based on his
>power over the woman, not based on his evil sucking up her purity.
>Except for Janette, which was based on her power over him and her
>evil sucking up his (relative) purity.
And Laurie wrote:
<BOOOIIIINNNNG> That was my jaw hitting the ground. ???????
As I said, we're obviously watching different programs. I'm not even
going to touch this one.
And I reply:
Dance By the Light of the Moon -- second (?) ep of the series tells how
Janette's dark, evil beauty attracted Nick, who wasn't exactly a saint to
begin with, but who was too tempted by the evilness of woman to resist (and
of course we are offered a modern day parallel.) And certainly, the vast
majority of women Nick has liaisons with after that involve him talking about
how pure she is or whatever, and him wanting to possess that innocence ...
Crazy Love goes into it alot. Point being, his relationship with Nat is the
first evidence we have where it's not based on one person's power over
another. Oh, except Serena (Selena?) in Baby, Baby. Otherwise, Nat's the
first.
Someone asked me to prove that Janette is evil by her actions -- I can't, and
I don't think she is evil. But as I stated in an earlier post, the FK
universe seems to endorse the belief that there are moral absolutes and
vampires are evil no matter how good their conduct. (In Sons of Belial,
which I hope is not under spoiler protec as I'm about to spoil, we see
flashback scenes of a truly horrendous priest who is yet good enough to wield
a cross and fight Nick, who has just made a supreme sacrifice for another)
Oy, have I digressed. What I mean is: Evil on FK is not about actions, it is
often just a state of being. And DancebyMoon shows Janette to be evil just
because she is. PC? Hardly. But that's the view I believe the FK puts
forth.
My logic, for your perusal.
Ann
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:16:38 -0500
From: Robbi Egersdorf <egersdor@m.......>
Subject: The Stars in Ourselves and computer problems.
Hello all:
My hard disk just crashed so I won't be able to send out the last two parts
of my latest story for a few days, until I can get my computer back from the
shop.
Thanks for your patience.
Robbi
Knightie With Dark Tendencies
Long Live the Knight
egersdor@m.......
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 01:25:13 -0400
From: "J.R. Anderson" <nisses@p.......>
Subject: THE FUTURE!
Hi All!
I just thought that I would de-lurk by asking a series of serious questions
that concern me regarding FK and the associated lists and fan clubs ...
(actually i'm a lot of fun but unfortunately, this is not reflected in this
message) This is not intended to be a downer.
If FK is not renewed (perish the thought) where do we go from here?
Do we follow the actors and actresses into other roles?
Do we expand into covering a broader base of vampire movies, fiction etc.?
Yes - we push for FK movies, merchandise and a possible series renewal.
Beyond a certain point I think there is the potential for the postings to
become stale. I realize that scholars still study Shakespeare and Milton and
reveal new and interesting facts and viewpoints, but can this also be
achieved by the FK fans online? I hope so.
Most stories on the fiction list are fresh, creative and interesting as are
the wars. (Perhaps I'll join the upcoming one if nobody minds.) Are we
headed in this direction? I don't know the answer to these questions, but
I submit them for your consideration.
Regards to all
Spifff (a snowbak in Toronto)
Address: nisses@p.......
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 14:02:16 -0400
From: Frederic Ferland <mrhappy@m.......>
Subject: Question of the Week
Hi!
I changed the "Question of the Week" on my web page today. This week's
question is:
** What is the very first thing Nick would do if he got his mortality back? **
Deadline for this one is June 28. Send me your answer privately. As
always, I'll put the answers I receive on my page.
Thanks!
_________________________________________________________________________
Frederic Ferland |
mrhappy@m....... | Error, no keyboard
http://www.mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy/fk.htm | press F1 to continue.
NatPacker & Perkulator (!) |
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 22:34:40 -0700
From: Fundenberger <fundy@t.......>
Subject: Can you help me?
I know this question has been asked, and maybe even aswered before,
but I have lost the answer if there is one. I want to retrieve some stories
from the fkfic-l list and I don't know how to do it. I would like to know
how to find stories by Author, Name, and topic (XOVER, etc). If anyone has
any idea on how to do this, could they make an easy to read and understand
set of steps for me? Thank you very much.
Julie Fundenberger
fundy@t.......
Scrapper, Knightie, SKLer
My sister just won a football signed by Howie Long. I'm jealous.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:29:59 -0700
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Re: The Fix and mortality (was: Spolers: Blackwing)
On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......> wrote:
>some? What about the anonymous female vamp whose neck Nick nearly tore out
>in the Raven back room in "Feeding the Beast", minutes after having met her?
and the on Sat, 22 Jun 1996, D Echelbarger wrote:
>
> That wasn't a vampire, that was a mortal. Which is *why* Janette was so
> ticked
> at him at the time. Or do you mean "Sons of Belial"? *That* was a vampire.
You know what? This is going to sound strange, but I think you're both
right. I just watched FtB again recently, and the actress who played the
human in that episode also played Ms. Snarl Hiss Thud in SoB.
> Just keeping the record straight. :)
Sure. But I rather like the confusion myself.
Raven Cynthia
Cynthia Hoffman/choff@v.......
feminism is the radical notion that women are people
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 01:37:50 -0500
From: michael wayne jackson <mjay@n.......>
Subject: Re: Can you help me?
> I know this question has been asked, and maybe even aswered before,
>but I have lost the answer if there is one. I want to retrieve some stories
>from the fkfic-l list and I don't know how to do it.
I sent this to her. It's in the FAQ on the FTP site as well.
michael wayne jackson -- mjay@n.......
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:20:54 -0400
From: Frederic Ferland <mrhappy@m.......>
Subject: Holy water
Hi!
I have a question for you. I know that vampires in Forever Knight do not
bear the sight of a cross, but what about holy water? Has it ever been
mentioned on the show? What happens if a vampire gets in contact with holy
water? I need to know for something I'm writing.
Thanks!
_________________________________________________________________________
Frederic Ferland |
mrhappy@m....... | Error, no keyboard
http://www.mtl.net/solidarite/mrhappy/fk.htm | press F1 to continue.
NatPacker & Perkulator (!) |
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:23:24 -2055
From: "L. Katherine Queen" <lqueen@p.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Nat
Ann Lipton<Iocaste@a.......> on 6/23/96 at 1:10 AM writes:
>Oy, have I digressed. What I mean is: Evil on FK is not about actions, it is
>often just a state of being. And DancebyMoon shows Janette to be evil just
>because she is. PC?
I disagree. Evil on FK is *very* much about actions. Nicholas, LaCroix
and Janette as well as all other vampires are perceived to be evil because
they kill, ...not only for sustenance, but for the sheer pleasure of it.
Sure, it's a value judgement from a human perspective, but they once were
human. They are, in effect, cannibalizing their own parent race...by
feeding on them. Nicholas is damned by the hundreds, or perhaps thousands
of human beings that have perished at his hands. A few good deeds here and
there are not likely to make up for that.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Katherine, devoted to the Knight
lqueen@p.......
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 01:22:01 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: Nat's Reticence, & Stuff
(There are LK and HF spoilers near the end of this post.)
From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......>
>IMNSHO, if he was in love with Nat, he would have taken this opportunity
>to kiss her on the lips and let her know how he feels. He did not because
>he does not love her romantically.
Or, more specifically, he did not love her romantically at the time of
"The Fix." No argument there, but we've had 33 episodes since then.
I have a theory about Nick's behavior toward Natalie. It has been with me
ever since NiQ, and I think this part of it is extremely relevant, no matter
where you stand on the N&N issue.
Nick has never been what I would call physically passionate toward Natalie
(the Azure doesn't count, because a) she was almost unconscious, and b) it
was a bluff -- he was stalling for time to save her life). As Valerie
observed on fkspoilr not long ago, the kiss in Nat's apartment in BMV was
very restrained, and even the kissing in NiQ was markedly delicate and
careful as contrasted with what we've seen of Nick's "norm" with other
women -- including Alyssa.
You see, the way Nick behaves in most episodes can be explained by him not
being in love with Natalie. Why, though, does that behavior continue when
he is (at least) pretending to be in love with her in BMV, and when he has
lost his memory in NiQ?
I believe that it is something in Natalie herself. Nick treats Natalie as
if she were made of glass when it comes to relationships, and I believe he
is picking up on signals from Natalie. I believe his overprotectiveness
in OtLonely, his attempt to be what he thought she wanted in BMV, his
confusion and concern in MBIAV and LNMTA, all can be traced to Nat's own
attitude.
We know Nat's in love with Nick. That's almost universally accepted. Yet
she didn't get the "L" word out till LK. We know she loves him, we
believe she must want him, and yet she ducks away from the most
*intentioned* kiss he ever offered, in LNMTA, as she pulled back from the
psycho in OtL, as she has never reached out for Nick (excluding LK).
I believe that, for reasons that are merely reinforced by Nick's
vampirism, Natalie is, on some level, afraid of a physical relationship
with anyone, and Nick knows/senses/has observed this, and is careful of
it.
>Nick has seen and participated in some horrendous atrocities and murders
>over those centuries. If he ever had any, his illusions of courtly love
>would have been shattered by the time he reached the twentieth century.
Actually, I think Nick clings all the harder to his illusions for the
horrors he's known. He is the "eternal boy," and I think his ideals and
illusions are the food that feeds his faith and hope in his eventual
redemption and mortality.
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
>The Janette who wants her mortality back doesn't in fact, exist. She is a
>character who briefly had mortality back and adjusted to it because she's
>a very practical woman.
The dispassionate statement of a loyal Raven. :-) I disagree, of course.
I met Janette in HF, but have since found all of her behavior perfectly
reconcilable with HF, considering that it is only between CL and HF that
she doubted her existence as a vampire. In ten centuries, do you begrudge
her a year of doubt and longing for what she's lost? I take her at her
word when she says that Robert made her realize that Nick's quest was
right, because I interpret Nick's quest as one for redemption by way of
mortality. I think Janette has sworn off killing now (except possibly
Nick <g>) if she hadn't before, and I think that if the human-blood supply
is as morally questionable as much fanfic has depicted it, then Janette's
choking down the non-human animal of her choice. And I appreciate that
Janette loved Robert "more than [Nick] can ever imagine."
From: Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
>But as I stated in an earlier post, the FK universe seems to endorse the
>belief that there are moral absolutes and vampires are evil no matter how
>good their conduct.
As I'm the one usually associated with "moral absolutes," I want to make
it clear that I do not agree with the above statement.
Vampirism drives one to commit evil acts; it does not make one evil.
Vampirism itself is probably evil (FIHS, why crosses affect them: "Because
they represent the one, true Light, and we are creatures of darkness")
but Nick's soul is judged on its deeds, not its vampirism (ND, what will
happen to his soul: "it will be reclaimed," "as a mortal").
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) *****
"Behind the problem of evil, the problem of good./...
tree after tree, inexplicable, yes inexplicable,/
never mind your principles of physics." -- L. Fargas
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 06:05:04 -0500
From: Dolores Sailors <DOLORESES@d.......>
Subject: *RE: Ger and a new series*
>He's going to be on a "beach" show like Babewatch. ;)
Does that mean he'll be the only person on the beach still wearing a shirt?
Dolores Sailors DOLORESES@d.......
"Captain, why not just give the Borg Windows 3.1?" - Worf
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 06:17:35 -0400
From: Ann Lipton <Iocaste@a.......>
Subject: The Fix & other stuff
Aack ... doesn't anyone agree with me that on FK, merely the state of being a
vampire means you're evil?
To me, the ultimate proof's in the crosses. As long as any vampire is
repelled by crosses, that means that God (on the show) definitively finds
them evil. And Nick is repelled by crosses always, even if it does get a
little better over time.
I dunno which ep it was, but Nick defines humanity as being
"a state of grace." And as I said, eps like SoB show people whose actions
are evil who are yet able to fight off Nick with holy symbols, even though
Nick has just done good deeds.
As for the debate over why Nick hasn't really approached Natalie sexually,
esp. in the Fix:
As I mentioned, I believe his relationship with Nat, based as it is on "love"
rather than "lust" (trite, but that's what it looks like from here) usually
makes it difficult to realize how he feels about her. I think that he
doesn't tend to notice just exactly how strongly he feels about her, except
in extraordinary circumstances.
As for why no kissy-kissy in the Fix, my explanation is that that episode did
NOT provide us with an accurate portrait of what Nick would be like if he
became human. Why? Because he was becoming addicted to the drug. In my
mind, he wasn't addicted to thinking he was human, he was addicted to the
drug itself which was having a very odd effect on him. He wasn't think about
much besides litovuterine, food, and biting women in sundresses -- hence no
romance.
A more accurate look at what Nick would be like if he were human, I believe,
comes in Night in Question, where GWD does an excellent job of behaving
_very_ differently from his usual Nick, without going so far as to be a
completely different person. A very subtle acting job, IMHO. Anyhoo, that
Nick makes a beeline from Nat as soon as he can.
Ann
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:07:58 -0700
From: "Nina A. Smith" <snsa@i.......>
Subject: Re: Good and evil
I'm sorry, but I've got two cents that ought to be thrown in briefly:
>>>What of cultures which, because of their *different* value of
>>>human life, practice ritualistic suicide and the like? Are they
>>>wrong? Evil? <snip> They're just *different*.
>Amy replied:
>>I would need a more relevant example, of course, but yes, we can
>>say that someone is wrong, and even evil. Read David Eddings?
>>Priests of Torak, ripping the living hearts out of unwilling
>>victims? That would be wrong, and evil, and it would be just fine
>>to say so. That it was a part of their culture for thousands of
>>years doesn't make it acceptable
>
You don't need to go to fantasy fiction for this. The Aztec culture was
centered around warfare conducted in order to take prisoners by the tens of
thousands to be butchered (generally by the method described above) in mass
human sacrifices. Fun people.
>Anyway, back to the argument. It doesn't make it acceptable to you
>and a number of other people. It obviously is very acceptable to
>them or they wouldn't be doing it. They are different from you and
>as an outsider, you look in and place a value judgement on their
>behavior. It is unfair to the difference of that culture for you
>to judge them as an outsider.
>
>Lisa
Congratulations. You've just justified the Holocaust.
All religions and philosophies make truth claims. One's personal refusal to
evaluate those claims proves nothing about them. Moral relativists would do
well to consider the honest words of one of their spiritual fathers,
Bertrand Russell: "I cannot see how to refute the arguments for the
subjectivity of ethical values but I find myself incapable of believing that
all that is wrong with wanton cruelty is that I don't like it."
nina
****
"Hillel said: Be of the students of Aaron; love peace and pursue peace..."
Pirke Avot 1:12
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 05:53:23 -0700
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Which season for N&N packers?
McLisa observes that she has been a N&Npacker since season 1.
To clarify: I never said or suggested that the ONLY N&Npackers were
season 3 fans. What I said was that there was a much higher
preponderance of them in season 3, relative to the other factions. In
seasons 1 and 2, newbies attracted to FK from a romantic angle tended
to divide between Natpackers, N&Npackers, Raven/ettes and Immortal
Beloveds. However, in third season, with virtually no Janette (and the
only Janette we do see is a pale imitation of the real thing, imo), it
is not surprising that most new fans who have a romantic bent toward
the show come on board as N&Npackers. That is the only point I was
making.
Cousin LaurieCF
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:03:34 -0400
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject: Where do we go from here?
Spifff asks:
>If FK is not renewed (perish the thought) where do we go from here?
>Do we follow the actors and actresses into other roles?
This is the Forever Knight list. We mention when actors are in other roles,
mention, too, a bit about their other projects when they air, but this list
if about Forever Knight. If new projects engender a following, I don't
doubt another internet list will appear promptly for that topic.
>Do we expand into covering a broader base of vampire movies, fiction etc.?>
No. There are a number of vampire lists out there. This is Forever Knight.
We can talk about other vampire work in terms of Forever Knight, but FK must
be THERE somewhere.
And it should be evident by now in the form of the discussion about Nick and
Nat Vs. Nick and Janette (which has been held hundreds of times in the
past), that we'll always have something to talk about. There's always a new
angle on something. And if some people can avoid telling others that
they're wrong simply because they don't share someone else's opinion, we'll
continue to have interesting and exciting discussion on ForKni-L.
The list is what you make it.
>Yes - we push for FK movies, merchandise and a possible series renewal.>
You betcha!
We've gotta send those cards and letters to SciFi telling them that we WATCH
FK. We've gotta write to the sponsors telling them we watch FK on Sci-Fi.
We've gotta write to Sony to tell them we demand FK merchandise and a TV movie.
We've gotta support the vendors like TVSHOWSTUFF and Crescendo who are
trying to give us FK merchandise.
Sony seems to be balking write now and the person who said that they're
trying to save face isn't that far off. But the faces at TPTB change with
the seasons, executives move up and out or onward and new people fill their
places. All we need is someone to walk into an office filled with FK mail
and come to the conclusion that they can make money for their company (and a
name for themselves) by giving us what we want.
We have to be here, now. And we have to be here two years from now. I'm
sorry to see Hugo go, hair notwithstanding, but I hope that just because
he's left us doesn't mean he's given up on FK. Because much as they've
tried to kill us with a stake to the heart, we're surviving. If we die now
we die by inches, as people grow apathetic or move onto something else, or
give up because it just doesn't matter any more. Every person that leaves
FK (not necessarily the lists--God knows the lists require a large hard
drive and a lot of time to deal with) drives that stake in a little deeper.
Every person who watched FK this week or last week and who doesn't write a
card or a letter figuring someone else will do it gives us another push
toward the edge.
We're not on life support, but we will be. What can a postcard or a letter
a week take you in time and/or effort. If we want something WE have to work
for it. It will not be handed to us on a platter. Every hill that's worth
the climb will always be too steep.
Granted, it DOES help when the people at the top aren't pouring boiling oil
down on you . . . .
Regards
susang@v....... -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
STILL Faithful Ravenette.
"Friends help you move. Real Friends help you move bodies."
SOS-FK Page at http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 07:28:24 -0700
From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: FK-TV SHOWSTUFF
This is off the alt.tv.forever-knight newsgroup and I didn't know if anyone
else had seen this reply.
>> Hi!I would like to thank each and every one of you that have emailed
>us in regards to the Sony merchandising struggle. If there is anyone who
has not emailed us to be added to the H U G E list please do so. We will be
presenting all email to Sony, since they believe that you all don't exist....
>We will be getting the novels in April of 1997, Sony has no say on that.
>We will be scanning 4 photos of G.Wyn Davies shortly to appear on the
>web site if anyone is interested in ordering them please email us.
>
>We can not tell you how much it means to us that so many of you have
>sent us encouraging letters. Please keep them coming!!! I will be posting
>more notes as things happen here with Sony. Seems like everyone is always
>out of town....hmmmmm..... ANYWAY, if anyone out there has exact numbers,
>or close to it, of FK fans out there P L E A S E let me know.
>Like I told Tippi and Leslie, Sony believes that you are not out there
>and we are fighting for all of you on this.
>Any and all email welcome!
>
>THANK YOU once again
>
>Anne
>TV SHOWSTUFF
>http://www.tvshowstuff.com
>TV_ShowStuff@p.......
>
>P.S. We do sell Highlander, Kindred- The Embraced, No Where Man, photos
>
>too. any questions just ask
>---- End Forwarded Message
Jackie
Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:45:37 -0400
From: "J.R. Anderson" <nisses@p.......>
Subject: Re: where do we go from here
Good answer Susan. After Hugh's sad departure, it was the response I was
hoping to hear. It was impassioned in places ("We will fight them on the
beaches...") and addressed all of my concerns.
Spifff
address: nisses@p.......
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