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June 21, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606D" Part 1

	Blackwing script and did they?
	CERK shirt
	Slow servers and tired hamsters...  (3)
	Nick and Horses
	The Fix and mortality (was:  Spolers: Blackwing)
	Killing - sipping - blood volume
	FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Jun 1996
	Ger and a new series  (3)
	Missing Story Part
	Nick, Nat, and Janette
	Many things/A german Dark Knightie/ German listmenbers wanted!
	Saving face
	Nick and cures
	Hamster feed
	was Re: Nick, Nat, and Janette
	Save FK Page Has Been Updated

Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:09:01 -0400
From:         Judith Freudenthal <DanaKnight@a.......>
Subject:      Re: *Blackwing script and did they?*

With learning Nat was an abused child it makes her problems with getting into
relationships understandable.  I think it would also hurt her ability to be a
big risk taker.

Being involved with vampires, one in particular, is taking quite a risk.
 She's putting her career and reputation on the line (and probably her
medical license as well) every time she covers for a sloppy vampire.  Those
are some pretty big risks to take for someone who could be gone tomorrow
without word.  Not that I'm saying Nick would actually go through with it.

Also how can you totally trust or totally give your heart to someone who
might take off?  I think him nearly leaving without saying good-bye during
Buddha hurt her.  I think after her childhood it is harder for her when those
she loves and considers friends do something like that.  She is less willing
to invest more in the relationship when she does not know how the other feels
or if they will desert her.  I do think she believes Nick cares for her, even
loves her, but she needs to hear the words.

Nick and Grace are probably Natalie's two best friends. I wonder which one
she has shared more of her life with.  I would have to say probably Nick.
 When it comes to dating and such things then I would have to say Grace.

Knightie, Natpacker, N&Npacker
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:14:10 -0400
From:         "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject:      Re: CERK shirt

Sorry to waste bandwidth, but will Penny at THOMASP4@m....... privately
e-mail me.  I sent you a message but I think your e-mail bounced.  Let me
know if you received it.



Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies  <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a......., oboyyme@t.......
<Just call me a Lady of the Knight...but say it with a smile>
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:16:58 -0400
From:         "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Slow servers and tired hamsters...

I think the hampsters are DEAD.  I sent 2 posts to FORKNI-L 24 hours ago and
they still haven't dropped.  Which makes me wonder why I'm posting this?!

Just venting I guess.

Lisa Patnaude

Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies  <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a......., oboyyme@t.......
<Just call me a Lady of the Knight...but say it with a smile>
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:46:35 -0400
From:         Dalton Spence <dalton.spence@f.......>
Subject:      YKYBWTMFKW . . .

Tou know you've been watching too much Forever Knight when . . .

While reading the Social Studies column of the Toronto "Globe and Mail"
you discover that "in 996 AD, the Fatimid caliph Al-Hakim ... who ruled
an empire extending from Morocco to the Red Sea, acquired a taste for
staying up all night and sleeping all day; he decreed subjects do the
same, under pain of death" and you wonder just where LC resided a 1000
years ago and what was he doing (besides empowering stray hookers).

<Ducking and Running from an "unkindess" of enraged Ravenettes.>

Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc., P.Prog <ag775@f.......>
Home Page: http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ag775/home.html
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:50:32 -0400
From:         Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Nick and Horses

Heather Poinsett writes:

>This has probably been talked to death, but I've been stomped on by every
>kind of horse from a twenty year old quarter horse gelding to a crazy
>arab filly.  I always thought it went with the territory...getting stomped

Uh, guys... I just realized something.  <sheepish>

We've been talking about _two different things_ here.  Mea maxima culpa.

What I *meant* to say was, "Horses will never *run over* another living thing
if they can help it."  (Do you have any idea how *long* I've been reading the
posts on this topic, scratching my head, and saying, "What kind of vicious
horses have these people owned?  And why aren't they dead from being 'stomped
on' countless times?" <G>)  I realize now that I didn't say that properly.
 But I thought the main thrust of our topic was whether or not the horses
were about to *endanger* Nick.  I wouldn't call a blackened toenail from a
glancing hoof a "danger" to a vampire, per se <G>.  I was talking more about
the horse knocking Nick down and mauling him, than, say, stepping on his

Unless, of course, I *do* still have it wrong, and those of you who've been
responding train wild mustangs ;)))

Felicia Bollin
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*MBDtK
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:50:53 -0400
From:         Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject:      The Fix and mortality (was:  Spolers: Blackwing)

Mei-Wa Kwong writes:

>When he first walks out into the sun and grabs Nat.  He holds her away
>from him for a moment and just looks at her.  Granted one might interept
>it as gratefulness, but I think there is a valid argument there that
>there is a lot more emotion behind that look than just gratefulness.

Can't really argue with that, since you didn't state your valid argument, so
I'll go for another angle ... Someone, in this same thread, also said
something to the effect of "I wonder what would happen when Nick *did*
finally get cured--- would there be anything left standing on Nat's desk as
Nick and Nat flung each other on the nearest flat surface?" (Yes, I apologize
for that wicked and no doubt injust paraphrase, but I lost the original post,
blush).  That fails to take into account one thing---

As far as Nick believed, regardless of what Natalie might have warned him to
the contrary during "The Fix"---

In his mind, *he WAS permanently cured*.

And he *did not* make a move to toss Nat onto any flat surface at that time,
did he? :) I guess what I'm trying to say is this:  The only way *I* know how
to look at the Nick and Nat relationship is through the filter of my own
experiences.  And if a man treated *me* the way Nat treated Nick in "the
Fix", he would most *certainly* hear about it from me <VBG>.  That's what I
guess I'm most curious about (and this certainly can be answered by any
N&N-er, it's not exclusively meant for Mei-Wa) is this:

Would you be satisfied with a "relationship" with a man/woman like Nick has
with Nat?  Forget about his sex appeal, or the eye candy factor.  Would it
make you happy and fulfilled?  Would it be a whole, healthy relationship?
 And if not, why would you wish something you wouldn't want for yourself on
your favorite character?  What does Nick do for Nat?  Nat does tons of things
for Nick.  Proportionally, I think Nick would have to do nice things for Nat
for sixty years straight to make up for it.  Now, I'm not saying he's cold or
uncaring, far from it;  he comforts her in "Undue Process", when her
goddaughter gets murdered, for example, and I'm sure I could name at least
another half-dozen situations where Nick is a comfort and help to Nat.  But
let's not pretend that the balance is by any means even.  Nick seems to think
sometimes that his presence in Natalie's life is its own reward ;)))))

In my book, I wouldn't want to slave that long to help Nick find a cure, and
have the only reward be him letting me gaze at his blond gorgeousness ;)))
 I'm sorry, but I'd want a _heck_ of a lot more from a man.  It obviously
didn't make _Nat_ happy and fulfilled--- she all but said that in "THE"
episode, the one I'm not going to name because well, then we're getting into
spoiler territory, but I'm sure you all know which one I mean :( .  Would you
like to be treated the way Nick treats Nat?  If it were you and not Nat in
"The Fix", and the first thought that sprang up into the head of your adored
love object was, "Oh boy!  I just got cured from this disease I've wanted to
be rid of for over hundreds of years--- let's go run and see my old flame,
who I've known for roughly *133 times the amount of time* that I've known
you!"  Would you sit there and "understand"--- or would you put your foot
down?  I've been in situations where a current love interest has chosen his
former flame's company over mine, and you can be sure I did not scruple to
give him the flat side of my tongue for his behavior.  Nat just lies there
and takes it.  Those of you who watch "The X-Files" may know what I'm talking
about, without my going too far afield:  the Scully/Mulder thing seems to
appeal to just as many people as the Nick/Nat thing;  however, that sort of,
well, works for me.  And the reason _why_ it works for me is that, when I
watch, I see that Scully and Mulder *respect* each other, 24-7;  and I can
buy a relationship with that level of respect the two have for each other.  I
do not see the same level of respect for Nat from Nick.  It seems sometimes
like Nat does all the work, while all Nick provides is the worry.  I don't
find it _at all_ respectful, for instance, when Nick runs to Marian Blackwing
without so much as a by-your-leave to Nat, who's been slaving doggedly for
six years (That's "JP time", don't'cha know <VVBG>).

>As for going to see Janette, there is also the argument that the reason
>he did that was because Nat said they needed to test the drug on another
>vampire.  That is in the dialogue, spoken by Nick.  Another good argument
>there that he went to Janette not because he loves her, but he wanted to

Well, there is also this argument for saying that Nick chose Janette for this
"test" for other reasons than sheer expediency:  Why on earth would Nick have
thought that Janette would be *willing* to "be Nat's guinea pig"?  He knows
she doesn't (didn't;  I'm going by what we would have seen prior to "The
Fix", leaving third season out of it) want mortality or anything of the kind!
 It looks to me like he specifically wanted HER to try the cure and come back
across.  With the kind of money he has?!  He could have paid any Screed-like
vampire a million dollars, easy, to try the cure as a control group.  He did
not have to go to Janette because she was the only vampire in town.  We've
seen, first from Vachon and later, especially, from Screed, that there are
disenfranchised vampires in Toronto.  Where there are two, there can be
several.  Nick could have bribed any one of them to do it and keep their
mouth shut;  he didn't have to go to Janette.  Janette and LaCroix are not
the only vampires from which to choose in Toronto.  If he was worried about
the Enforcers finding out, he could have picked Alma or Miklos to bribe,
someone else close to Janette (well, close enough to know to keep their mouth
shut <G>).

>Errr, nothing between them?  I don't think sooooooooo.

Well, obviously, we totally disagree :).  Sure, there is something between
Nick and Nat.  Friendship ;) .  I've not argued that, not ever.  I just don't
buy a "love" story where TPTB apparently decide they should throw a romantic
episode on in there every four months or so, and have them just act like good
buddies all the rest of the time.  IMO, that's more like "Six years of 'we're
just good friends' except when the script dictates that we must be 'in
love'." :)  (But I did admire your complete and total recall of those scenes,
Mei-Wa <VBG>).

Felicia Bollin
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*MBDtK
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 01:03:17 -0400
From:         K Sweebe <KSweebe@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Killing - sipping - blood volume

I can't believe that I'm making my first posting on this board (any board) on
this subject, but I just can't resist.

Vampires HAVE to be able to sip at least within certain limits.  If they
drained every victim, no one would last long enough to take in the vampires
blood and be brought across.  No little baby vampires.

Not to mention the old legends; that is, unless you're taking FK in isolation
from all other vampire lore that has gone before.  Correct me if I am wrong
(I'm sure you will) but wasn't Dracula after his darling Mina several times?
 Taking her down more and more each time?

What I feel is that Vampires have a very strong compulsion towards draining,
that old animal nature.
In order to bring someone across, a Vampire would have to feel strongly
enough or have enough of another overriding reason to be able to overcome the
compulsion to drain.

Give a man dying of thirst in the desert a cup of water and how many would
have the control to just sip it?  Which of course could lead to just all
kinds of speculations about Nick and contro,l but I'm not going to spell that
one out for you....figure it out for yourself.

P.S.  Someone else in an earlier post made comment on Nick's statement about
not needing a beating heart to bring out the blood, but without it the body
would have to be drained like a cow.  That one bothered me.  As any forensics
expert will tell you...dead bodies don't bleed short of massive butchery, it
just sort of pools up where it is unless pulled down by gravity.

undecided between the angst brick and
manipulative master.
Date:         Thu, 20 Jun 1996 22:40:28 -0700
From:         Jerimi Paul <paul9454@u.......>
Subject:      Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 20 Jun 1996

I sent a quick message on how to do this.  (I've always wanted to say

Rampant Vaquero ~with suspiciously perky Cousinly tendencies
Keeper of the deranged hamster.  No!  I didn't say that! Back! AAAHHH!
Soon to be mother of a hopefully kinder, gentler rodent- a rat.  ;)

On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Claudette Koehler wrote:

> Please cancel my subscription....Thanks
Date:         Thu, 20 Jun 1996 22:25:32 -0800
From:         Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Ger and a new series

Okay, I will play.  GWD in a new series playing a priest.  Just ponder
what confession what confession would be like.  Humm a crime-solving
priest, well, he is more interesting than Geo. Kennedy.
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 01:30:12 -0500
From:         Erin Friedman <efriedm1@m.......>
Subject:      Re: HELP!

>Did anyone get a copy of part 7 of Breaking Dawn? I sent
>this some time ago and it has not dropped into my box. If you all are
>getting it fine, if not, I'll need to do something else.

Sorry, Carrie, but I didn't receive it.  I've been waiting for it because
I'm really enjoying the story and I can't wait to see what happens next.  I
hope you find out what's wrong and ccan get it posted.  Lots of Luck!!!!
Erin Friedman
Nick & Nat Packer
" In Love and Faith, There is Forever"
Date:         Thu, 20 Jun 1996 22:30:10 -0800
From:         Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject:      Re: *RE: Ger and a new series*

Now I am getting silly.  GWD in a new series as a crossdressing detective.
Just a thought.
Date:         Thu, 20 Jun 1996 22:46:45 -0800
From:         Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Ger and a new series

GWD in Alaska--he could be a bush pilot who lives in a cabin with no
running water, indoor plumbing, or electrics.  Here in Alaska, I live in
Fairbanks, men outnumber women, GWD's character might consider posing for
"Men of Alaska" magazine--sort of the Sears catalog for women silly
enough to believe they can find a decent man in the same way they find shoes.
I still like the crossdressing priest idea.
Date:         Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:56:17 -0500
From:         Robbi Egersdorf <egersdor@m.......>
Subject:      Missing Story Part

I have been inundated with requests for the first part of my new story "The
Stars in Ourselves" so I have reposted that for FKFIC-L, believing that it
didn't come out like it was supposed to.  There were also some problems with
my computer translating Anja's German from her computer.  That has been
corrected in the repost.

Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 01:43:20 -0700
From:         Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject:      Nick, Nat, and Janette

From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
>I am continually confused by this idea that Nick should have to "work"
>for a cure.  Why should this necessarily be so?  Is it impossible for
>there to be some "instant" type of cure out there for him to take?

Completely aside from the Nat-Boosting arguments, I personally belive that
it is dramatically and artistically necessary for any cure to come either
from great effort, or great risk, or both.  I don't mind Nick attempting
"fix" cures, but I would have been upset if TPTB had given us a simple "fix"
once and for all.

From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
>Now do you suppose Schanke found similar personality traits in
>Emily's vampire to Nick?  The fact that he saw Emily as the female
>story lead is interesting.  He doesn't see Nat in that part.

In "Baby, Baby," Skank thinks it is obvious that Nick is in love with
Serena.  When he says as much to Nat in the precinct, it clearly hurts
her.  Skank doesn't notice, but I don't think even he would have made that
remark if he thought there was anything between Nick and Nat.

>Emily starts with her own conception of her vampire, which gets
>replaced with Nick in the later reading she gives.

The actor who plays the initial character looks a lot like the actor who
played Spark in AMPH.  Is he?  Either way, both Spark and Emily's vampire
look a lot like the Inca....

From:    Jane Credland <janes@i.......>
>Still, all of the examples you quoted are one-sided.  There is no
>"traditional courtship scene" where both Nick and Nat are on the same

There is one, in BMV, when they are in the room behind the two-way glass.
The others have either Nat (LNMTA) or Nick (MBIAV) holding back too much
to consider it truly mutual.

However, I would be very interested to have pointed out to me a
"traditional courtship scene" with Nick and Janette.

From:   Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
>Would you be satisfied with a "relationship" with a man/woman like Nick has
>with Nat?  Forget about his sex appeal, or the eye candy factor.  Would it
>make you happy and fulfilled?  Would it be a whole, healthy relationship?

Ummmmm.... aren't there some N&Ners who simply say that N&N *ought* to be
in love, not that they *are*?  It's an important distinction.

That said, unless we allow for some things in Nat's background that were
never made overtly canonical, the current relationship between Nick and
Natalie is clearly an unhealthy one.  They have potential, not present.

Nick and Janette, on the other hand, have past and potential, but no
present, either.  I would be happier to be neglected (Nat) than used
(Janette), though obviously both relationships are pretty messed up (which
is why I like Janette as we most recently saw her).

Ironically, I think that both Natalie and Janette have been in love with
Nick for some time, but that Nick got over Janette long ago, and that he
didn't begin to fall for Nat until it was too late.

I would be happy to hear evidence that Nick is "in love" with Janette, as
long as it doesn't confuse sex with love.  I haven't been able to document
any on my own -- exchanging the sex for the pedestal, and history for
work, today's Nick seems to have almost identical relationships with Nat
and Janette.

**** Amy R., Lady of the Knight  (akr@n.......) ****
"Memory's/ like wine; it might keep, it might turn." -- LF
 Knightie, Light Cousin, Fleur-Booster, (Im)Mortal Beloved
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:53:43 +0200
From:         ret <sl0274@a.......>
Subject:      Many things/A german Dark Knightie/ German listmenbers wanted!

Hello out threre!

Here is Azaeel again! Yes, the one with the terrible English! I like your
crusade for FK merchandise!I think I should write another letter to them!
They should know that we Germans are also interested in merchandise! This
thing exactly could save FK finally! As long as they have the same need
for money as Paramount! Without the merchandise STAR TREK never have
existed that long!

Ger has a new series!!!! I'm very curious about it! Please post it into
the list if you know more!
Greetings to all GWD fanclub member especially to those lucky 100 whose
see him next weekend!I will join some day when I have the money!

Hey Dark Knighties! We ARE the rational ones! We believe that
Nick is better of as vampire! He only need to control himself! He must not
kill! He has to learn to take as much as he needs and then turn away!
He would not survive a day as a human I think! He to emotionally weak for
it! I talk like Lacroix I guess but that is my opinion! Don't shoot me

Hey Germans out there those who not joined our little german 'Save
Forever Knight' quest! Please write to me! We NEED you too!There is a lot work
to do before we get the thrid season!
In Germany is no offical FK Fanclub but some Vampire Clubs which
includes FK stuff! And so the CHILDREN OF DARKNESS do! Write to me for
more information! Anybody who read german is welcome!

Greetings to all listmembers that know me! I write as soon as possible!
Please be patient!

For a darker knight!
Dark Knightie. Immortal Beloved. Fiver( greetings to all Marcus fans out
And a gothic in real life!
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:39:51 EDT
From:         Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......>
Subject:      Saving face

Someone commented most astutely that SONY may be trying to save face
by not admitting that there is a market for FK stuff. If true this
also applies to continuing in films.

Suppose we make a point, in any letters, of emphasizing that licensing
stuff for us to buy and/or film continuation will increase SONY's status
by demonstrating their concern for the fans of their shows.

Note: is Anne dealing with SONY US (or whatever the American subsidiary
is called)? If so, the actual problem may not be just loss of face. It may
be that someone *important* at TriStar axed FK for reasons we don't
know. He/she would now be headed for trouble if SONY's higher-ups discover
that the show does have a loyal, vocal and growing audience. English
translation, whoever it was is about to get caught losing potential
income for TriStar, a sin at least as important as losing face. <g>

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor
Lisa McDavid
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:17:55 -0700
From:         Margie Gillis <margieg@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Slow servers and tired hamsters...

At 12:16 AM 6/21/96 -0400, Lisa Patnaude wrote:
>I think the hampsters are DEAD.  I sent 2 posts to FORKNI-L 24 hours ago and
>they still haven't dropped.  Which makes me wonder why I'm posting this?!

Maybe they've replaced the dead hamsters finally.  I sent a post to the list
_36_ hours ago and still haven't seen it...

Dark Knightie/Immortal Beloved/Unnamed
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:29:44 -0500
From:         TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject:      Re: *Nick and cures*

Sandra wrote:

>I am continually confused by this idea that Nick should have to "work"
>for a cure.  Why should this necessarily be so?  Is it impossible for
>there to be some "instant" type of cure out there for him to take?

Well, sure, there might be an instant cure.  But it's ironic, isn't it, to
spend *years* searching for an "instant" cure ("1966")?  Kind of doesn't
make it "instant" anymore.  Nick's been seen pursuing a lot of "instant"
cures, and yet when Nat tries to put him on a long regimen of the
"anti-vampire" diet, he lags.  The garlic pills, the vitamin A pills, the
sunbed, the no-no on blood...  But he lapses.  What if a long regimen of
those things were to work, but he's too busy looking for "instant" cures to
stay true to the course?  If he put as much effort into the possible longer
cures as he does into his instant cures...

I personally have no problem with the idea of an instant cure. But I think
what some people may be scoffing at is that Nick seems to equate being cured
as being absolved.  You have to work for absolution; you may not necessarily
have to work for a cure.  "You can take the boy out of the vampire, but you
can't take the vampire out of the boy."  We see in "Near Death" that he
still has a lot of work to do -- and he's *surprised* by that!
He's genuinely shocked that his soul is still the soul of a vampire!

>This might not be a good analogy, but if someone is diagnosed with
>breast cancer, isn't surgery of some sort an "instant" cure?

It's not a good analogy. ;)  No one asks for breast cancer.  You aren't
given a choice.  To referrence ND again, Nick had a choice 768 years ago to
either die as a mortal or live as a vampire.

>  Despite being brought up Catholic, he doesn't outwardly
>condemn Gwynneth's religion and is, in fact, curious about it.

"You cling to your paganism like lichen to a stone."  Sounds like a put-down
to me! ;)

Personally, I kind of *like* that Nick looks for instant cures.  When
Janette calls him an "eternal boy" she about sums it up for me.  He's rather
innocent for being a undead creature of the night!  I like that paradox.

****Wicked Cousin Tippi****
HEY!  Want FK stuff?  Sony needs to know that you want it! Contact
Anne at TV_ShowStuff@p....... and TELL her NOW! :)
"Poetry can be so deceiving." - LC in Baby, Baby
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:54:38 -0500
From:         Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject:      Hamster feed

Hi guys,

I have just sent part 8 of Breaking Dawn to Fkfic-l. From my informal
survey I did get one 'yes' reply...so it did make it through the server.
Since I'm not supposed to repost, if anyone wants a copy of Part 7, just
e-mail me and I'll ship it to you.

Sorry for the inconvenience. I think I'll ship some extra tasty, protein
rich, chocolate flavored feed to PSUVM hamsters. Maybe they'll pay
closer attention to my posts. <g>
Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
I finally had some sense knocked into me
and I have the bump to prove it!
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:26:04 -0500
From:         Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject:      was Re: Nick, Nat, and Janette

At 01:43 AM 6/21/96 -0700, Amy R. wrote:

>Ironically, I think that both Natalie and Janette have been in love with
>Nick for some time....

I think Janette has often _thought_ she was in love with Nick.  But, she
left him during the Rennaissance and she left him again in the present day.
She doesn't really have any desire to share life with him.

Nick and Janette are very close brother and sister, who also happen to find
each other to be very sexually attractive (understandably; they are both
sexually attractive people).  They get these feelings mixed up with feelings
of being in love, so they get into a relationship with each other that
doesn't last.  Maybe incest doesn't really work any better for vampires than
it does for humans.

Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:51:43 GMT
From:         "Jamie M.R." <immajer@n.......>
Subject:      Re: Slow servers and tired hamsters...

On Jun 21, 1996 06:17:55, 'Margie Gillis <margieg@e.......>' wrote:

>Maybe they've replaced the dead hamsters finally.  I sent a post to the list
>_36_ hours ago and still haven't seen it...

I sent a couple of list posts to Forkni that NEVER showed up.  Got
confirmation notices from the listserv (I'm set to ACK, so I get an
acknowledgement when I post.  Useful.) but never actually saw the posts...

Normally, when the lists slow up this way, it's because:

1) the lists are being held, due to volume or (rarely) listowner
prerogative... if this is the case, when you post, you will get a notice
telling you that the list is being held.  (I checked.  It wasn't.)  Once a
listowner frees the lists, all the posts come tumbling down...

2) there's a broken gateway somewhere between psuvm and the rest of the
world... in which case, the mail is usually delayed, but shows up

The fact that posts are actually disappearing into the ether fits neither
of these scenarios.

In other words:  I don't know what's going on, either.  And it's not for
lack of trying. <g>

Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>
Listmommy, Illustrated Webgoddess, Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
Try not.  Do... or do not.  There is no try.
Save FK - http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR
The Truth Is Out There.  And So Am I.
Date:         Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:03:12 GMT
From:         "Jamie M.R." <immajer@n.......>
Subject:      Save FK Page Has Been Updated

A couple days ago, I posted saying that I was working on the update... I
never actually saw that post hit...

...well, the update is all but finished (one page I still have to write up,
code & load; poke around, you'll find the spot <g>) and y'all might want to
go check it out.  This is more than a minor revision; I literally took down
the old site and completely revamped it (pardon pun) -- so if you have any
interior bookmarks to the site, they will no longer be valid.

The site is a lot more coherent than it was, I think.  There's more of a
uniform 'style' throughout the site, and it should be easier to retrieve
information.  On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that I've forgotten and/or
left out some of our current/ongoing efforts.

As always, I appeal to YOU guys to go and check out the site, and tell me
if there's any problems anywhere, or anything that I've missed.

One notable addition is the ability to fill out Leslie's survey via a form
on the page.  It's all clicky-buttons and fill-in boxes and, y'know, neat
stuff.  :-)   I swiped Dianne LaMerc's HTML source code & taught myself how
to do forms (thank you, Mommy!) and I'm really pretty pleased with the
result.  It is, I believe, a Cool Thing; and if you haven't yet filled out
the survey, you now have no excuse.

Anyway, go and check out the page, and if you have any suggestions, send
'em to me...

The URL is:


This new, shorter URL will take you directly to the Save FK page.

The old URL, which is:


is STILL valid, and will REMAIN valid; it's a pointer-page leading to the
other page.  But now we have a URL that will actually fit comfortably into
people's sig lines, not to mention being easier to format...  BOTH urls
will remain active on a permanent basis, so use whichever you feel more
comfortable with.

And I've submitted the new URL to the search engines, too.

We're over 45,000 hits.  The counter isn't spinning as fast as it was back
in January, but... it's still spinning.

So.  Lemme know what you think of the page...

Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>
Listmommy, Illustrated Webgoddess, Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
Try not.  Do... or do not.  There is no try.
Save FK - http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR
The Truth Is Out There.  And So Am I.

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