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Logfile LOG9606B Part 18

June 13, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606B" Part 18

	The NEW Question!! Tia talkin'  (2)
	IRC  (2)
	Themes in FK  (2)
	Bad Blood  (3)
	Dying For Fame & the Celebration Dance
	not wanted
	I GET the message  (3)
	FK as A Cartoon
	Shows to catch this week?  (2)
	Weird Cousin Tippi, thong history?
	Black Buddha--questions
	Ex-Post Shrewthering Post
	Canadian stars
	YKYB...  (2)
	FK CD and Radio

Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:02:51 -0400
From:         Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject:      Re: The NEW Question!! Tia talkin'

Hi Everybody!!

  I got many good answers!   To  those who took the time to give a good
answer I thank deeply! I also would like to thank the FORKNI list.

This is an answer I agree with the most.
(This is just one of the many good answers.):

>>Considering that Nick has spend at least the last 6 years trying to regain
his humanity, I would think at first the answer would be no. However, knowing
that he also has spent the last 100 years or so, doing what he considers
atonement for his evil deeds as a vampire, and knowing (or thinking) how much
being mortal and with Nat again means to him, I would say yes. This is such a
complicated issue! I think if it was someone evil he would kill, by all means
he would go for it, if it was an innocent bystander on the  other hand, he may
have to weigh the facts along with what would bear down on his conscience.>>

I thank everyone who has partcipated!!  Today I will post the new question,
family is coming and I won't have time later.

The question is:

                                                 GO TO HEAVEN?

Later people!
Cousin of the Knight~Cousin (it's an aquired taste)
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:07:13 EDT
From:         Gayle <GMCCREE@c.......>
Subject:      Re: Digest

In the instructions with the confirmation of subscription is the
command for setting the digest.  I remember it's "set digest," but
I don't remember where in there the listname goes.
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:07:55 -0700
From:         Dee Davidson <dmd@a.......>
Subject:      Re: IRC

There are two FK IRC channels, one on efnet and the other on undernet, there's
 info about it on my page:


If you can't get to it email me privately and I'll forward the information.

Dee  * Cousin * Valentine * Diviant * TEDT * SKL *  Xenite *
(and a few other choice words:))
-IRC Repellent and all around pain in the a**
dmd@a.......   http://www.aracnet.com/~dmd/
Date:         Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:14:13 -0700
From:         Chan moon Lee <srrc53@s.......>
Subject:      REQUEST

I would like to know the list of the member.
please show to me.

Lee chan moon    srrc53@s.......
000-0000   samsung elec.
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:15:33 -0400
From:         "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject:      Themes in FK

Opps, there's a large one missing--

Children and generation.

I wrote a whole big postie type of thing on it some time agao and had to
stop because I got really frightened by the implications.  After this
season, well . . . *shrug.*

susang@v.......  -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
STILL Faithful Ravenette.
"Friends help you move.  Real Friends help you move bodies."
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:39:44 -0700
From:         Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject:      Bad Blood

If "Bad Blood" is the episode with the vampire hunter, then what's the
episode with Jack the Ripper?  I thought he was in "Bad Blood," and the
title was from what LC thought of his blood... really!  Don't laugh at
me.... :-) So if BB is the one with the vampire hunter, why is it called
Bad Blood (assuming that it's not like LNMTA, which, imho, still wins for
Worst and Most Irrelevant Title)?

*** Amy, Lady of the Knight  (akr@n.......) ***
(Keeper of the Light Cousin FAQ: email me for a copy.)
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:41:16 -0400
From:         Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject:      Dying For Fame & the Celebration Dance

Amy (akr@n.......) said about Dying for Fame:

> Best of all, of course, in DFF, Nick wins.  I love it when Nick wins.
> And that final, triumphantly raised arm as Nick strides away from the
> storefront in the vision is absolutely priceless.

I thought folks might want to see what the episode's director, Jon
Cassar, had to say about this little dance.  This was at the AOL "Remote
Control" chat with Jon Cassar (sorry, I forgot the date).  Marcia Tucker
(TVV Marci) was passing questions on to Jon.

----begin tidbit----

TVV Marci:      This is from Allie again - and I might add here that
Dying for Fame was Jon's first directing effort!  Also my favorite ep!
"Not really a question, just wanted to say I loved the part where Nick
imagines himself on stage as a rock star, vamping out & floating above
the crowd.  :^)  You really did a great job of capturing Nick's sense of
alienation in that episode.  Also, whose idea was it to have Nick spin
around & throw his arm in the air at the end to celebrate his success in
helping Rebecca?  Yours?"

CASSAR7DIR:     At first I was very disappointed, because I loved the
flashback part of the show and I got the first show without one, but it
turned out ok; that final moment is GWD at his best.

Carrie400:      YES!!!

Iremi:          figures

TVV Marci:      So that was Ger's idea?  It was so good!

AlliePercy:     Heh, heh... GWD's idea to do the celebration dance!!

CASSAR7DIR:     Thats what a great actor can bring to part.

----end tidbit----

Jon Cassar's direction of "Dying for Fame" was absolutely fantastic,
IMO.  *Especially* considering that this was his first time at the job.

Bring Back FK!  http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:41:49 -0400
From:         Stephanie Way <Biancaswan@a.......>
Subject:      not wanted

Well I guess it was a mistake on my part to be annoyed by private posts on
the list. Yes, these things do happen and I  feel terrible for expressing an
opinion about it and while you're at it why don't you all throw stones at me

I'll stick to lurking, it's safer.
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:48:22 -0400
From:         Stephanie Way <Biancaswan@a.......>
Subject:      I GET the message

I got several private messages to me concerning my note about mistaken
private posts on the list.
OK I get the message but what puzzles me is the need to flood me about this.
I almost NEVER write to anyone concerning some comment they've made on the
list, in a burst of indignation, agreement etc. I figure everyone is entitled
to believe what they want. I don't feel a need to correct or enlighten them.
Which is silly because neither is possible.
 Oh well, never mind, I'll shut up now.
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:02:52 -0400
From:         Tammy Williams <sackett@u.......>
Subject:      Re: FK as A Cartoon

On Jun 12, 1996 18:57:07, 'dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>' wrote:
>No, no, no, no---I can't see it at all, I don't think it would
>work at all. Have you seen "Highlander's" cartoon?  No, I'd rather see FK
>never come back than see it abused as a cartoon....besides, they don't make
>a color blue that would even get close to Nick's eyes........(sigh)

You should hear the HL list people talk about the cartoon<g> and
what should be done to the main character  - if you can get them
to admit that it exists! So I too would agree - no cartoon. They'd
never find anyone to come close to Nigel Bennett's voice for LaCroix
and what the h*ll kind of stories would they have?

Tammy Williams  MFWCBT / Cousin / DMC / SKLer / Unnamed
"I haven't felt guilt since the 11th century." Methos, "Till Death"
Ribena, Ribena, Ribena, THOOOONNNNGGGGG!!!!
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:12:47 -0700
From:         Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject:      Re: Shows to catch this week?

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine wrote:

> And, as an extra added bonus, I believe that on of GWD's appearances on
> Dracula: The Series is supposed to air on Saturday.  (Which means at least
> a week of listening to my son jumping on my shoulders saying "Hi, Dad, can
> I borrow your neck?")

AND the TV Guide web site says that the season of War of the Worlds with
Catherine Disher and Adrian Paul begins this Sunday as well! On Sci Fi,
of course! A good weekend for catching FK actors, it seems!

Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:32:40 -0500
From:         williams <williams@m.......>
Subject:      Re: IRC

Dee Davidson wrote:
> There are two FK IRC channels, one on efnet and the other on undernet.

Actually, there's three......the other one is on DALnet.
The Consummate Cousin
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:45:04 -0700
From:         [Name removed by request]
Subject:      Re: Weird Cousin Tippi, thong history?

Erm, uh, um...

i should perhaps quote one of Sharon "Scottie" Scott's posts, dated March 28th:

>crosses or stakes, which led to an even more erudite discussion about what
>kind of underwear the various FK vampires wear. <snip> recognize one
>another), and during the course of [Toronto Trek], I asked the infamous
>question. [A former listmember] thought a minute and answered, "Purple silk

And, independently, Cousin Alanna Patrick and i had these private
discussions on LC in lap dances, sweat, leather-strapped-in-and-cradled
crotches... after which, i believe, i also brought up said apparel on-list.
Or maybe one of us mentioned it and *then* we started talking off-list...

Dear, dear. i s'pect this sort of "History of the Thong" is just to rest up
our brains for the War? Heated arguments on whether Nick owes Nat amorous
fidelity? If LaCroix is evil? Whether evil even exists? More cultural

[Name removed by request]

All I have is what I might have been - Gavin Friday
How can you trust someone who bleeds for 7 days and doesn't die? - BGW
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:42:22 -0500
From:         Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject:      Re: Black Buddha--questions

At 04:34 PM 6/13/96 -0500, you wrote:

>What kind of goofy plan has the captain of a precinct escorting a common
>prisoner?!  Yeesh!  No wonder I wasn't paying attention.  It just totally
>boggled my mind into numbness! ;)

Actually, her in the states anyway, it wouldn't be that unheard of. The
superior officer in a division would be required to go on an escort that was
of this magnitude. But, I don't know how they do things like that in Canada.

Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:13:02 -0500
From:         Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject:      Re: I GET the message

>I got several private messages to me concerning my note about mistaken
>private posts on the list.
>OK I get the message but what puzzles me is the need to flood me about this.

I'd just like to remind everybody that when you get a private message,
nobody knows about it but you and the sender.  So if I read a post that
I think probably deserves a private reply -- A SINGLE private reply, I
have no way of knowing whether or not anyone has sent one yet.

So I'm sure that nobody INTENDS to flood anybody with messages -- and if
they're not NICE messages, they're doing it wrong.

OBFK -- YKYBWTMFKW ... you're watching TRUE LIES and every time somebody
(like Arnie) snaps somebody's neck, you can't help evaluating their

----  TJ
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:13:53 -0400
From:         Janice Phillips <PHILLI@a.......>
Subject:      Re: I GET the message

 Lets chill guys or gals. No need to get hostile.

 It's all good.
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:18:15 -0700
From:         Rick Bleyle <papaya@i.......>
Subject:      Re: The NEW Question!! Tia talkin'

are but if it happend on the show you know that they would bring
himback some how

                Kelley Bleyle
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:32:36 -0700
From:         Diane Gates Thomas <dgthomas@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Themes in FK

Hi Jean,

You just described life.             Di
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:41:38 -0500
From:         Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Ex-Post Shrewthering Post

Allison P. wrote:

>ObFK: We know Nick tried acting for a while (flashbacks from "Last
>Act"). Do you think Nick could do comedy??  If so, what type of

In LA, Nick tells us that he did a short stint in the circus! I do
indeed think he could do comedy. It takes a special kind of person to do
a clown. I think that Nick would be a natural at it. He has the perfect
dead pan delivery when he ribs Schanke and Tracy. Remember that
cat-that-got-the-canary grin on his face at the end of Dead Air? He
would love it. I'm a Knightie after all.
Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:58:21 -0400
From:         Diane Kennedy <dkennedy@f.......>
Subject:      Re: Canadian stars

My .02 to this theme:

I remember seeing GWD's name advertised for headlining in plays in Toronto
around mid-to late 1980's in a Toronto Arts & Entertainment paper.  I never
went to any of the plays and I don't remember any titles.  They may have been
the products of "fringe"-type playwrites.  I never remember seeing any
pictures of him, just his eye-catching name.  When I first saw the credits
of FK, I recognized his name.

Diane K.

                     Knightie (With Strong Die-Hard Leanings)
                              Folk Music Forever!!
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:05:07 -0400
From:         Roxanne Piccen <RoxanneP@a.......>
Subject:      YKYB...

You're discussing a particularly unpleasant female manager with two of
your coworkers, saying how nobody likes her, when one of your coworkers
says that the woman's horse bit her and that animals can sense evil in
people.  I immediately thought of that episode (whose name totally
escapes me at the moment) in which the flashback has Nick getting
treatments from a doctor whose singer fiancee' is stomped on by a horse
when Nick spooks it.

Don't worry, Knighties, I'm not saying that Nick is evil, just that the
episode (Good God, what *is* the name of that darn thing?) implied
that the horse was spooked by the vampire in him.

Roxanne   **** Captain of the Cleopatra, Isle of Denial Ferryboat ****
"Even if you fall off the boat in choppy waters, Nobody Dies!"
"Toss the Grim Reaper into a leaky lifeboat and wave bye-bye to him."
RoxanneP@a....... (Home) // CHIRMP@a....... (Work)
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:06:12 -0700
From:         Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......>
Subject:      TVSHOWSTUFF

Hi all--

   I tried to get to the TVSHOWSTUFF web page, but got WEBCOM instead.
What goes on?  Would some kind soul please send me the URL privately,
as I am NOMAIL right now?

Toni S
Vaquera with old Knightie tendencies
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:00:34 +0500
From:         "John T. Folden" <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Shows to catch this week?

> From: "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>

> Isn't SciFi starting New Dark Shadows series collection REAL soon?
> 6/15 or 7/1?

I believe this is actually, either 7/1 or 7/10...It's also pre-empted
for a week shortly after it starts..  :(  I think it must have a curse
on it or something....It got re-scheduled because of the Gulf War in it's
original run and has been inturrupted on Sci-Fi every time they've run it!
BTW, There a great DS'91/FK Xover story being post to FKFIC called
"Beyond The Shadows"...

> Others?  I knew today, 6/13 was declaration of war day (I got that
> right, right?) but I keep feeling there's one more "start" or
> "don't miss this" in the next day or so.

Actually, that's 7/13...  :) I'm suprised you're not joinging in the fun!

> Please help this rapidly addled brain of mine, if you can.

Hmmmmm, can one addled brain help another?!?

** John T. Folden, a demented victorian
** lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless FOREVER KNIGHT...

!! SOS/FK: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html !!
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:12:00 CDT
From:         Cousin Erik <jrarmstr@p.......>
Subject:      Re: YKYB...

> Don't worry, Knighties, I'm not saying that Nick is evil, just that the
> episode (Good God, what *is* the name of that darn thing?) implied
> that the horse was spooked by the vampire in him.

That would be Let No Man Tear Asunder.  :)

Until next time, I'll be watching...
Cousin Erik (Le Phantom de L'Opera)
jrarmstr@b.......     //   http://bsc.edu/~jrarmstr/
"Don't you know it's really a bad idea to come in without your lines learned?"
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:18:26 -0500
From:         TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject:      Re: Bad Blood

Amy asked:

>If "Bad Blood" is the episode with the vampire hunter, then what's the
>episode with Jack the Ripper?  I thought he was in "Bad Blood," and the
>title was from what LC thought of his blood... really!  Don't laugh at
>me.... :-) <snip> why is it called Bad Blood?

Because Liam, who as a child was bitten by a vampire, grows up to become a
vampire hunter.  Guess which vampire he hunts?  Ol' Jack, of course! :)

Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"Spandex is for aerobics instructors, and only in the worst of times."
                     --Lacroix, explaining why he won't wear Speedos.
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:13:56 -0500
From:         D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Bad Blood

>If "Bad Blood" is the episode with the vampire hunter, then what's the
>episode with Jack the Ripper?

Same episode.  Jack's who the vampire hunter (Liam O'Neil) was hunting! :)

Diane E
# D Echelbarger                        gryphon@e.......  #
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Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:14:53 -0400
From:         Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject:      FK CD and Radio

There is only one thing...

If you live in an area like I do, you may be surrounded by *only* Top 40
stations and country stations.  And the problem is not only that Top 40
stations "tend" to play only Top 40 songs, but for the most part, they *have*
to.  (I have a degree in radio and television, and I am working from what my
instructor has told me).  It's required.  The really top radio stations in
your market will most likely (not all of them, but a great many) work almost
exclusively from something called a playlist.

When a DJ comes in for a shift, s/he is _given_ their playlist for those
hours.  Every song and commercial s/he needs to play for that time frame is
laid out in black and white. Songs are laid out, in order, on "carts" (which
look like 8-track tapes) at the start of the hour (you know how you always
wondered how the DJ's don't have to pause for any period of time between
songs to get the right one?).  Each and every second is, if there are no
mixups, counted for in any given hour, and the DJ is not permitted to deviate
from that playlist one whit (it's considered a 'firing offense', depending on
the whim of the management, if a rogue DJ just goes off and plays whatever
s/he wants to.  That's supposed to be how a young Rush Limbaugh got fired
from a DJ job).

Of course, that all goes out the window if you do, as Lisa Patnaude did, find
a radio station who takes request and dedications of songs that the station
does not have.  So, a question you should at least keep in mind is, "Are
there some hours or portions of the station day during which the DJs are
allowed some discretionary choice in music, or do they work exclusively from
a preset playlist?"

Then just go crazy <G>.  Just didn't want anyone spending valuable money
sending CD's to their top market station, only to find out that they can't
play it.

Of course, if you have money to burn, you might want to do a blind mailing of
radio stations anyway, just to see if any one of the people working there
takes a fancy to it ;)  And there are always college radio stations, who very
often have no restrictions on their time or selections.

Oh, and as far as I know, there are no prohibitions of any kind on listeners
giving CDs or tapes to their music stations.  After all, that's how some
bands got their songs played on the air--- by targetting an influential radio
station in the market.  If anyone is within striking distance of KROQ, for
example, in California;  they're currently considered the alternative music
vanguard, and if you can get KROQ to play it, it is all but assured that the
other stations will follow, like lemmings.  KROQ has reportedly "broken" a
not inconsiderable amount of new acts in the radio market.  (Of course, the
largest markets will also be the hardest to crack.  But hey, what's to lose.
 Maybe those who live in major-market cities like New York, Los Angeles, San
Francisco, Chicago etc., want to pick one radio station in the area and try
to get the CD played there.  I can hear it now--- "Felicia, you wanna try and
crack KROQ?!?"  Well, not *exactly*--- but hey, you never know ;) )

Artist and Repertoire people from record companies also tour radio stations
to promote their brand-new signed acts, and drop off tapes/CDs.  Radio
station booths are awash in demos, both solicited and unsolicited.  As a
matter of fact, I heard one story about a singer whose first song went on to
break the Top Ten, and their friends/family in the NYC area had been beating
the A&R people into the radio stations and clubs with copies!    So, you
could just _pretend_ that you're the (un)official representative of Crescendo
Records <g>, and go undercover door-to-door and pass out the CD/tape to DJs.
 I expect they've (Crescendo) done the rounds of a few radio stations.  I
have no idea how large an outfit they are, or what kind of an A&R department
they have.

But hey, we've proven in the past that guts and sheer chutzpah can succeed,
even in places that were supposedly "closed".  I say, go for it!

If I've got anything wrong in the above explanation, I apologize, and I
expect anyone who knows better will thwack me <vbg>.

Felicia Bollin
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*MBDtK
Date:         Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:33:27 -0700
From:         Heather Thornburg <penni@t.......>
Subject:      Re: TVSHOWSTUFF

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Antonia Spadafina wrote:

>    I tried to get to the TVSHOWSTUFF web page, but got WEBCOM instead.
> What goes on?  Would some kind soul please send me the URL privately,
> as I am NOMAIL right now?

I sent this.

Heather aka Vachon's guitar
Knightie, Nick/Nat Packer, Vaquera, SKLer, CSS
SKL: Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!

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