FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9606A Part 10
June 5, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606A" Part 10
TOPICS:
It's that time of year again!
Cancellation (2)
CANCELLATION OFF THIS LIST..
Father and son
IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen! (7)
FK Mini-con at TorontoTrek
Fwd: An Amalgam
san fransisco con
Jon Cassar and directing
Nick's Attitude
Calling All CERK Fans!
NB and the X-Men
Nick and Nat in StF (2)
Repost: Calling All CERK Fans
For the Ger-thering?
Other teens out there
<no subject>
more about The Relationship
Forever Mummy
Nick/LC in Trophy Girl
Origin of the Quest (3)
Jane Eyre
Forever Mummy
CERK Shirts
Bridging the Knight
YKYBWTMFKW....
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:35:37 -0700
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@i.......>
Subject: It's that time of year again!
Oh, no! Just like Freddy Kruger, Jaws, Jean Claude van Damme, the Benny
Hill thread, Jason and the acid-blood aliens (part 4 coming soon), it's
BACK!!!!
Oh my stars and garters!
Call The X-Men! Call The PowerPuff Girls!
It's...The Second Annual Call for Birthday Fiction for Susan Garrett!!!!!
Ever wanted to write a really strange and bizarre story outlining the life
and times of Buttercup (the PowerPuff Girl not the Princess Bride!)?
Or wondered how Nick would get along with The Three Stooges?
Or wondered how LaCroix and Elmo would get along?
Or just wanted to write a story but thought no one would be interested?
Well now's your chance!
Do it for Susan! Why? 'Cause it's her birthday! (Or at least it will be
in a few weeks.)
Here's how it's done:
1. You can write about *anything.* It doesn't necessarily have to be about
"Forever Knight. Hey! This is for Susan! The sky's the limit.
2. To post, or not to post, that is up to the author. If it's an FK story
post it here. If not, then post it in some appropriate venue and let Susan
know. Or send it to me (at romana@i.......--email me for snail mail
address if you want that option) or send it directly to Susan at
susang@v........
3. Susan's birthday is August 11th. I'm putting the call out now because
some of us are slow writers and might need two months to come up with
something. Please indicate in your opening comments that it is fiction for
Susan and feel free to post or send it to her at any time.
4. It's OK to do something totally off the wall and bizarre. In fact,
where Susan is concerned, that sort of thing is *encouraged.*
5. And most important of all, DON'T BE SHY! If you've read and appreciated
Susan's fiction, but you've never written anything or if you're like me and
you think you suck, write something *anyway*! This is a gift and will most
certainly be appreciated.
We did this last year, and Susan got a lot of really cool fiction, some
posted to the net, some not. It worked so well, I wanted to do it again!
Lets generate *lots* of fiction especially for Susan, OK.
Have at it and may fictional character everywhere have mercy on us all... <g>
Sharon
--
Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@i....... * romana@a.......
NatPack * BotCoS * Keeper of the GopherGame
Nat's B&B http://members.aol.com/romana/natpage_stuff/natpack.htm
Save FK http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
"Dolphins have no use for psychodiagnostic categories." --Douglas L. Medin
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:12:28 -0400
From: Melissa Carothers <Khayman32@a.......>
Subject: Re: Cancellation
Can someone please private E-mail me with the directions of how to cancel off
this list? Thank You.
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:13:31 -0400
From: Melissa Carothers <Khayman32@a.......>
Subject: CANCELLATION OFF THIS LIST..
CANCEL FORKNI-L@p.......
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:21:17 -0400
From: TJ Goldstein <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Father and son
Susan M. Garrett wrote:
>
> It's odd that in the discussion of Nick's relationship with LaCroix, more
> people haven't mentioned "Father's Day." The scene in which LaCroix
> confronts Nick in the alley about having gone to an herbalist in attempting
> to find a 'cure' for his condition is very telling . . . and very different
This is one of the scenes that really hooked me on FK. There was just something
about the look on Nick's face after LaCroix belts him ... like he wasn't the
slightest bit surprised -- but not defiant, either.
It really added a lot of depth to both characters for me, and was the moment I
began to think of Nick as an "abused child" so to speak.
---- TJ
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:50:20 -0600
From: "Elena Villafuerte H." <evilla@u.......>
Subject: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen!
John Folden wrote:
>Perhaps we should organize some sort of project where we pick a new
>(media) company to "bug & inform" (them about FK) each month or
>something....
GREAT IDEA! Wouldn't take too much. We could choose a different
"target" each month & keep doing it Till We Get Our FK!
Leslie
***FOREVER MEANS... FOREVER!!!***
N&NPacker/Knightie: An FK (Anything New; Whatever it Takes!) sort of gal
Have you sent in your FK survey? (Due 6/26/96) Email for a copy. Hand it out!
After all, let's remember that a little pestering from fans got Star Trek
to where it is now. Reruns, three related series, and at least 6 motion
picture movies...it's not bad for a show that got ended because nobody
cared enough about it.
Let's demonstrate that we care about FK!
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:09:20 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: FK Mini-con at TorontoTrek
Re FK stuff to be auctioned at Toronto Trek:
> - one of the harps from "Queen of Harps"
> - the flatliner machine from "Near Death"
> - a spear from an "Ashes to Ashes" flashback
> - items from Nigel's wardrobe (shirts, etc.)
In y'all's experience, what kind of prices do things like this bring at
these charity auctions? IOW, does an individual have a chance at all at
getting some of this stuff, or do folks have to pool their resources just
to have a shot?
Stephanie Babbitt, curious Vaquera
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:31:38 -0400
From: Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@u.......>
Subject: Re: Fwd: An Amalgam
On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, June Russell wrote:
> :On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, John Folden wrote, regarding whether Miklos was a
> :vampire:
> :> In "Bad Blood", an early 2nd season episode...Liam O'Neill strolled into
> :> the Raven with a cross to find vampires...he touched Miklos' head with it
> :> and nothing happened(other than him getting angry)...
>
> Cynthia pointed out that Gillian Horvath wrote him as a vampire. Maybe he
> was a Star of David sort of vampire?
Or maybe it was simply that he was human in Bad Blood and was brought
across since then.
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:02:32 -0400
From: Melissa Carothers <Khayman32@a.......>
Subject: Re: san fransisco con
To STUKENDALCA:
I was interested in knowing when the convention in San Francisco is going to
be. I live in L.A. and will be visiting San Francisco soon. Would be
interested in a roommate. Please private E-mail me at Khayman32@g....... or
on the alt.tv.forever knight list. I am going to unsubscribe from this list
on AOL, because AOL is just too $$$$.
Thanks for the info.
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:19:35 -0400
From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......>
Subject: Re: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen!
Check out the web page to save Space Above And Beyond. They have made a
great running start at what we need to do for Forever Knight.
http://www.cei.net/~tec/saab2.htm
They list lots of advertiser addresses and more... Please check it out and
take an action to save the knight.
Mary Davis
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:49:25 -0400
From: Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: Jon Cassar and directing
From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
>>Does anyone know if Jon directed any FK eps before
1993, in the first season? I'm wondering about the timeline. Another
thing occurs to me. Is it a normal thing for directors to work on crews
like that? <<
Carrie, in Jon Cassar's correspondence with me and in the Forever Knight chat
we had with him on AOL, he stated that the very first thing he ever directed
was the FK 1st Season episode, "Dying For Fame". He also said that he was
with the show from the beginning, and he justified saying that because he was
the *camera operator* for "Dark Knight"! So, we have seen a crew person
essentially take up the director's chair, and quite adequately, I might say!
Here's Jon's FK episodes (quoted from a note from Jon)
>>Yr 1 - Dying for Fame (The first show in my directing carrer)
Yr 2 - Faithful Followers
- Can't Run Can't Hide
- Curioser & Curioser
Yr 3 - Outside the Line
- Dead of Night
- Ashes to Ashes<<
Marcia Tucker / scfimarci@a.......
Dark Knightie / Unnamed / Immortal Beloved
"We *are* each other. You are mine... eternally." - LC to Nick, "The Fix"
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:54:29 -0400
From: Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Attitude
Hi All!
I'm curious, are there different versions of FK, for US and Canada?
Are the Canadian versions worth tracking down?
Joy,
Cousin of the Night~~~Unnamed Faction
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:29:10 -0400
From: "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject: Calling All CERK Fans!
Hi Everyone,
I asked Ron the Enforcer if there was any chance of making a t-shirt (or
sweatshirt) similar to the bumper sticker?
I received the following reply:
>Lisa-
>
> I could but I'd need 24 like-minded people in order to do this.
> The MINIMUM order my shirtmaker will accept is 25 units.
>
> So...unless you know A LOT of CERK fans, it's going to be a while
> before I make any more shirts...
>
> Ron the Enforcer
If there are other people out there who would be interested in receiving this
type of t-shirt, please privately e-mail me at LadysAVamp@a........ Let me
know the quantity, your name and e-mail address. Once I receive 24 orders,
I'll forward the information to Ron.
Hope to hear from ALOT of people ! :)
Lisa P.
***************************************************************************
Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a....... -- "Hey, who you calling a lady!?!"
oboyyme@t....... -- <Lacroix's unheard thoughts at end of LK>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:32:49 -0800
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: NB and the X-Men
NB is the voice of "Mastermold".
Barbara
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:53:57 -0400
From: dotti rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Nat in StF
At 12:47 PM 6/5/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Re the tag, LaurieCF wrote:
>>Just goes to show we all see things very differently. I thought he was
>>saying "I wish I could have made it work with Emily."
>
>I saw it this way, too, much to my frustration. I'm showing stronger N&N
>leanings by the day, I think. Nat looks so disappointed, but she handles it
>with awesome class.
>
This is true. But listen to what Emily has to say about vampires when Nick
asks her about them. She understands him so totally that she would accept
him AS HE IS. The only other person to accept him as he is is Janette,
Natalie wants him human and doesn't really UNDERSTAND all that he goes thru
in fighting his "addiction". Emily completely understands. It must have
felt like so good to hear someone understand him without the judgment behind
it, without the pointed finger. I can understand why he fell so hard so fast.
As much as he loves Natalie (and I do believe he does) he felt she could
never totally accept and understand the vampire in him, until ofcourse,
"Francesca". That's how I looked at it....my zwei pfennig.
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
dottir@w.......
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:51:55 -0400
From: "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject: Re: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen!
The first time I went to a convention (Beauty and the Beast) was because I
saw an ad in the TV Guide. There are mini-cons coming up soon. The TV Guide
is a national (international?) media source.
Just an idea.
Lisa P.
***************************************************************************
Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a....... -- "Hey, who you calling a lady!?!"
oboyyme@t....... -- <Lacroix's unheard thoughts at end of LK>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:57:29 -0400
From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: Cancellation
Melissa Carothers wrote:
>Can someone please private E-mail me with the directions of how to cancel off
>this list? Thank You.
I've done this.
Jane (janes@i.......)
Raven ** Immortal Beloved ** M.B.D.T.K
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams
[W.B. Yeats}
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:26:23 -0400
From: "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject: Repost: Calling All CERK Fans
Hi Everyone,
I asked Ron the Enforcer if there was any chance of making a t-shirt (or
sweatshirt) similar to the bumper sticker?
I received the following reply:
>Lisa-
>
> I could but I'd need 24 like-minded people in order to do this.
> The MINIMUM order my shirtmaker will accept is 25 units.
>
> So...unless you know A LOT of CERK fans, it's going to be a while
> before I make any more shirts...
>
> Ron the Enforcer
If there are other people out there who would be interested in receiving this
type of t-shirt, please privately e-mail me at LadysAVamp@a........ Let me
know the quantity, size, your name and e-mail address. Once I receive 24
orders, I'll forward the information to Ron.
(I forgot to mention size in my first post.)
Hope to hear from ALOT of people ! :)
Lisa P.
***************************************************************************
Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a....... -- "Hey, who you calling a lady!?!"
oboyyme@t....... -- <Lacroix's unheard thoughts at end of LK>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:28:45 -0400
From: Stephanie Way <Biancaswan@a.......>
Subject: For the Ger-thering?
How many here are going to the Ger-thering? And who still needs a roommate? (
I don't, but a friend of mine does) . Let me know privately.
Thanks,
SW Biancaswan@a.......
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:16:32 -0400
From: Angie <alasher@e.......>
Subject: Re: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen!
>GREAT IDEA! Wouldn't take too much. We could choose a different
>"target" each month & keep doing it Till We Get Our FK!
>1) Gather prospective targets, which companies would be the best first
> four to do?, etc.
I would think that at least two of the first targets we would want to get to
are
1. TV Guide. This one is self explainitory and they could give us a write up
that would make more people aware of what we are doing, who we are and what we
are so passionate about!
2. One of the major long distance services. This is just a thought, but if MCI
or ATT or Sprint thought that they could change our long distance carriers by
offering us tv show affiliations on thier cards, maybe they might be interested..
3. Speaking of cards, doesn't Master Card and Visa cater to certain customers
by putting stuff on thier charge cards? I think my dad has a N.Y. Mets Visa.
Just a few thoughts...
Angie
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:28:56 -0400
From: Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject: Other teens out there
Dear teens out there,
My letter is for you. I got my mother into FK and I'm isolated, none of my
friends are into FK. I also left her behind on the net. You see, I'm all
alone.(except for my aging, left-behind with the times mother, no offense
mumsy) So I am surfing the net to find others who are out there and need a
friend of the Knight to talk to.
Tia
Natpacker
Nick/Natpacker
Cousins of the night
Knighties
Merc
and anything you want to call me (except UF!)
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:36:49 -0400
From: Donna <hozdmb@r.......>
CANCEL FORKNI-L@p.......
Donna Burns hozdmb@r.......
Diehard,UF, FK, Highlander, ST, B5, X-Files, L&C, Sime/Gen, Pros, S&H
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:43:33 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: more about The Relationship
Deborah wrote:
> Early in the second season, Nigel Bennett sent a long post to
> FORKNI-L, in which he stated firmly that the relationship
> was father-son, no sex.
You're right, we do get mixed signals. I wasn't on the list back then when
that note was posted, but someone forwarded me an excerpt of an interview
with NB in a zine (I forget now) where, although he never comes right and
says yay or nay or the sex issue, he does leave it more open. If you want,
I can forward you the excerpt.
And then we hear about directors and/or actors purposely playing certain
scenes for increased sensual tension!
Are they playing with our heads or what? ;) Well, I for one, would rather a
show which kept me guessing rather than just left no mystery at all. Keeps
things interesting.
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"What a Twinkie humanity is, rich in its complexity, soft in its cake-like
exterior. Creamy of spirit, and most of all... delicious."
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:45:29 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Forever Mummy
Angie wrote:
>ROTFLMAO!!!! Tippi you make me smile on those days when the worst has
>happened to me
>and for that I will now offer my warmest thanks and virtual chocolate!
I do my best! ;)
>>I'll stop now.
>
>Too bad this was something I could see going on and on and on...
Well someone suggested to me that in the new show Forever Mummy, Nat could
get a job as Nick's paramedic partner. I mean, she's certainly qualified.
She could get a job in no time flat. ;)
I guess instead of the Caddy he'll have to drive an ambulance. Of course
the ambulance will have to be re-outfitted with fins and painted mint
blue-green...
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"What a Twinkie humanity is, rich in its complexity, soft in its cake-like
exterior. Creamy of spirit, and most of all... delicious."
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:47:09 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick/LC in Trophy Girl
Laurie and Cynthia wrote:
>Listmembers, particularly in the UF, might be interested to know that
>in a certain actor's copy of the Trophy Girl script, at the scene
>involving the above particularly *erotic* encounter, are the
>handwritten words "lick face?"
For a moment my mind blanked out and I transposed Blind Faith and Trophy
Girl, and for some reason I got the mental image of Raleigh reading a
script, wondering if he should've licked Nick's face...
See, just goes to show you my mind's not as dirty as it seems! Or perhaps
it's far, far worse.
>Wonder if they ever seriously considered filming it that way. Would
>certainly have been ... interesting.
To say the least! But I think TV, by and large, is a *long* way off from
showing one man licking *anything* off another man's face. Too bad, too.
It certainly, as you said, would have been... interesting.
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"What a Twinkie humanity is, rich in its complexity, soft in its cake-like
exterior. Creamy of spirit, and most of all... delicious."
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:47:29 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Origin of the Quest
Diane wrote:
>The night he's brought over. (Dark Knight, Canadian cut) After his first
>feeding, we see him leaning against a wall, telling LC "I want to go back. You
>didn't tell me it would be like this." LC responds that "It's much too late for
>that now," and something to the effect that he's stuck with it.
Drat those Canadian episodes! Especially since I'll probably never see
them! ;) So I guess we're counting Canadian eps as canon. Okay, okay. So
he has some hesitations. Who wouldn't? Well, *I* wouldn't, but that's
besides the point. ;) When does he *really* start angsting over all the
implications? I think someone once suggested it was after his meeting with
Joan of Arc (FIHS). Didn't he offer to bring her across?
Anyway now I'm rambling. Just giddy because I have the house to myself and
I'm about to watch 4 eps back to back!
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"What a Twinkie humanity is, rich in its complexity, soft in its cake-like
exterior. Creamy of spirit, and most of all... delicious."
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:09:03 -0500
From: Sarah Welsh <welshkin@d.......>
Subject: Jane Eyre
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I've been nomail on this
list until about a week ago. I just went to see the Franco Zeffirelli
Jane Eyre movie today (which I loved -- very true to the book) and was
sitting watching the credits at the end. The very small part of the
child John Reed was played by ... Nic Knight! Funny, it didn't look like
him....
Sarah
welshkin@d.......
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:22:32 -0400
From: Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject: Re: Origin of the Quest
Tippi referenced dialog in the canadian versions.
Did they actually film more than one version, or is a language difference??
I mean, did they film them twice with 2 separate scripts?
I'd not heard anything abou this till now.
Any feedback appreciated!
Joy
Cousin of the Knight~~~Unnamed Faction
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:22:49 -0400
From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen!
At 05:19 PM 6/5/96 -0400, Mary Davis wrote:
>Check out the web page to save Space Above And Beyond. They have made a
>great running start at what we need to do for Forever Knight.
>They list lots of advertiser addresses and more... Please check it out and
>take an action to save the knight.
If you check out the SaveFK webpage that our assistant listowner Jamie MR
put together, you will notice that we have done all of that for FK already.
Some fans even went so far as to buy Spam and Spam Lite so they could
mention to Hormel that they purchased the product when writing to thank them
for advertising on FK. IMNSHO, that's going above and beyond the call of duty.
In fact, much of the strategy devised last year and in the first few months
of this year by our esteemed SOS-FK leaders (including Jamie, Susan Garrett,
Lisa Prince, Cynthia Hoffman, Laura Fargas, Karen Tobin, the NATPE-7 and
many, many others [if I didn't mention your name, don't yell at me -- I know
you all worked hard]) has been duplicated by a lot of other shows. While we
may not have succeeded in getting a fourth season, without the SOS-FK
campaign, we would not have had a complete third season.
For anyone who hasn't checked it out yet, the Save Forever Knight webpage
can be found at:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
Have you written or called to thank your local syndie, an advertiser or the
SciFi Channel for carrying/advertising in FK lately?
Jane (janes@i.......)
Raven ** Immortal Beloved ** M.B.D.T.K
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams
[W.B. Yeats}
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:31:55 -0400
From: "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject: Re: Forever Mummy
Wicked Cousin Tippi said:
>I guess instead of the Caddy he'll have to drive an ambulance. Of course
>the ambulance will have to be re-outfitted with fins and painted mint
>blue-green...
Instead of an ambulance, what about a hearse? :)
Lisa P.
***************************************************************************
Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a....... -- "Hey, who you calling a lady!?!"
oboyyme@t....... -- <Lacroix's unheard thoughts at end of LK>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:36:59 -0700
From: Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Nat in StF
On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, dotti rhodes wrote:
> This is true. But listen to what Emily has to say about vampires when Nick
> asks her about them. She understands him so totally that she would accept
> him AS HE IS. The only other person to accept him as he is is Janette,
(Ahem!) Janette *accepts* him? I would very much disagree with this!
Janette is the one who keeps telling him that what he wants isn't what he
should want (i.e., to be human). She tells him that this is futile, he
should give it up. She has stated on more than one occasion that she
doesn't understand this desire of his to be mortal again. This is NOT
accepting Nick as he is, because part of what he *is* wants to be mortal
again. So, imho, Janette acts just as judgemental as Natalie--and, I would
contend, more so. See below.
> As much as he loves Natalie (and I do believe he does) he felt she could
> never totally accept and understand the vampire in him, until ofcourse,
> "Francesca". That's how I looked at it....my zwei pfennig.
I can't help but think that you're doing Nat a disservice. Of course,
I've been with the show from the beginning and that probably colors my
view, but in Dark Knight Nat makes it perfectly clear that it was *Nick*
who came to *her*. "Is this the man who came *begging* for my help so
that he could see a sunrise?" she asks (or words to that effect). At
least in first season, Nick did not want to be "accepted" and
"understood" as a vampire: he wanted help to get *rid* of the vampire.
That's what he asked Nat. And she took him at his word (perhaps unwisely?).
Nat doesn't keep at Nick because *she* wants a cure, at least not entirely
and I think not chiefly. She is the friend--and professional--who keeps at
him because HE wants the cure, and wants her to hold him to it even
during his darkest doubts (see "Feeding the Beast", also first season).
This focus was lost, I think, in subsequent seasons. For people who came
on board in later seasons, I can certainly understand why you might not
agree with me.
All the preceding, of course, is imho and from the perspective of a
first-season fan.
Regards,
Valery
kingv@u.......
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:38:54 -0400
From: "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject: CERK Shirts
In regards to my "Calling All CERK Fans!" post, a couple of people have not
seen the bumper sticker and have asked for a description. I thought I would
post it for all to read.
Also, you can see a photo of it at the Forever Knight Fan Merchandise web
site:
http://www.eden.com/~gebbie/merch.html
The bumper sticker is black with the CERK logo. Next to it, it says
"Nightwatch with the NightCrawler".
If you are interested in having a shirt like this please read my previous
post - Calling All CERK Fans!.
Lisa P.
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Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a....... -- "Hey, who you calling a lady!?!"
oboyyme@t....... -- <Lacroix's unheard thoughts at end of LK>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:39:33 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: Origin of the Quest
>Tippi referenced dialog in the canadian versions.
>Did they actually film more than one version, or is a language difference??
>I mean, did they film them twice with 2 separate scripts?
>I'd not heard anything abou this till now.
No, they filmed one, longer version, then snipped bits (mostly lovely bits of
character-building) out to fit the CBS, US requirement for a shorter show. This
was only first season. Second and third seasons are identical for all viewers.
Canadian cut is *definitely* worth the effort to acquire! :)
Oh, there's also a 1st season German version, which apparently tried to mandate
"one half-nude woman" per episode for a while... <eg>
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
# "Death cannot stop True Love" Wesley, _Princess Bride_ #
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:53:08 -0400
From: Lisa Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: Re: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen!
Hey, Hey All :)
Mary Davis wrote:
>Check out the web page to save Space Above And Beyond. <snip>
>They list lots of advertiser addresses and more... Please check
>it out and take an action to save the knight.
Since there has been quite a number of these messages coming
through lately, I just wanted to let any newbies know, we have
already been doing all of this and the addresses have already been
gathered. The hit the advertiser's campaign has been up and
running since January and included sending the advertisers receipts
for proof of purchase and letters stating that we supported them
specifically because they supported FK with their advertising
dollars. Quite a number of people got return letters from the
advertisers thanking them for their feedback. It's a great idea
and certainly does get the advertiser's attention.
Anyway, I do believe that the advertiser page is still a sub-page
of the SOS-FK web-page, Jamie? Is that right? If not, I know that
Karen Tobin has been maintaining a web-page of pertinent addresses.
Lisa Prince (Moonlight@g.......) Official Charity Drive Organizer
Please make checks payable to the Pediatric AIDS Foundation
Send to: Lisa Prince, PAF "Forever Knight" Group Charity,
000 Xxxxxxxxxxx Xxxxxx, Xxxxx 000, Xxxxxxx, XX 00000-0000
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:01:05 -0700
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Bridging the Knight
Deja vu time folks. When was the last time you saw one of these from me?
This is a press release I put together for Bridging the Knight and I'd
like some help getting it out there.
Anywhere you want to send it, send it. My only request is that if you
post it to usenet, remove the phone numbers ... in a no doubt futile
effort to keep the roar down to a manageable level, if at all possible.
I'll probably have an update to it in the near future ... but let's get
this ball rolling, shall we?
Cynthia, who can't believe she's doing this again ... yes she can ... stop
lying
choff@v.......
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Bridging the Knight
StarFrost Images
Post Office Box 00000
Xxxxxxx, Xxxxxxxxxx 00000-0000
NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release
Star Urioste
(000) 000-0000
starfrost@a.......
Lora Haines
(000) 000-0000
fkfcpres@a.......
Lisa Marie Garcia
(000) 000-0000
lgarcia@e.......
Cynthia Hoffman
(000) 000-0000
choff@v.......
BRIDGING THE KNIGHT
Forever Knight Charity Auction to be held in San Francisco
(San Francisco, California, June 4, 1996) Continuing a three-year
tradition of support for various charitable organizations, the cast, crew
and fans of the Canadian television program "Forever Knight" are planning
a charity wrap party for their show, with proceeds to benefit Toronto's
Casey House, an AIDS Hospice, and the Canadian Diabetes Association. Fans
of the program have a history of supporting those in need, and now they
want to do something for the country that brought them the show.
"It was time to repay the favor," said event organizer Star Urioste.
"This program originates from Canada -- but the charitable benefits have
up to now accrued to United States charities, including Children's
Hospitals and the Pediatric AIDS Foundation. We thought it was time to
give something back to the country that produced the show."
The event is set for the weekend of October 18 - 20, 1996 in San
Francisco, California at the Holiday Inn Union Square. The weekend will
include a traditional fan convention dealer's room, featuring specially
designed items that will be available only at this event. The highlights
of the weekend are a Wrap Party on Saturday night featuring three live
musical groups, and an auction of "Forever Knight" wardrobe and
properties, with auctioneer Jayne Largent.
Confirmed guests include series actor Nigel Bennett and writers PN
Elrod and Gillian Horvath. Invited but not yet confirmed are the show's
creator and executive producer, James Parriott and composer Fred Mollin.
###
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:12:35 +0000
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: IT WILL HAPPEN, if we Make it Happen!
On 5 Jun 96 at 17:19, Mary Davis wrote:
> Check out the web page to save Space Above And Beyond. They have made a
> great running start at what we need to do for Forever Knight.
> They list lots of advertiser addresses and more... Please check it out and
> take an action to save the knight.
>
Um, guys, let's not re-invent the wheel, here! We have our own
fabulous web-page:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
and we've already been doing all the things these people are talking
about, and more!
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker (ktobin@t.......,
http://www.tiac.net/users/ktobin/fk.html)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:22:12 -0800
From: Preta <preta@e.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW....
you are looking through a book catalogue and see the title NICKNIGHT with
the price $125. and almost consider buying it.
Preta
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