File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606A" Part 7 TOPICS: Beginning of the Code :) (2) NatPack birthdays (2) LaCroix's Personality (4) Fwd: Suicide ain't painless Request for assistance Birthday month questions (2) Spicing up Blood and Nightcrawler Tape Fatherhood Updated June Scfi-Fi Channel Schedule Mail Problems.... Cedric Smith (3) It can happen fk on scifi Question about spoilers How Long Is the Longest Friendship? NB and the X-Men Thankyou everyone first season parental stuff (2) X-Man homoerotic intent in DFF episode Hey there Needed for fanfic Origin of the Quest Forever Mummy interesting night - got it! Opps Yet More Astrology! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:24:42 EDT From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......> Subject: Beginning of the Code :) Well, actually, it was strongly implied that Nick stopped feeding on innocents after Alexandra the Vampire Dingbat, whom he thought he'd killed in the flashback to Fatal Mistake. He was shown watching her wake with a very guilty conscience in spite of LaCroix's attempt to talk him out of it. Of course, then they had to try had to make killing the hunter in Hunted in the second season feeding on the guilty. I mean, come on, even if he's a poacher, that's a pretty minor crime and there's no way Nick could have considered hunting animals for food a crime in the first half of the 19th c. That's a late 20th century development. Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble." Lisa McDavid mcdavid-lisa@s....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:33:41 +0500 From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......> Subject: Re: NatPack birthdays > From: "Jamie Melody Randell" <immajer@n.......> > >My favorite reason for denying that it's April 14th came frome Jamie I > >think, who, when she saw that shook her head and said, "No way Nat's an > >Aries." > Well, she ISN'T. That's all there is to it. > <shakes head, folds arms, looks stubborn> So there. While you're in that position, blink your eyes as you bob your head forward real quick and make that wish come true...Oooops, your name's Jamie, NOT Jeanie! :) //---------------------------------------- // John T. Folden, a demented victorian // lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless // FOREVER KNIGHT... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:22:33 -0500 From: Sherri Haynes <abadi@p.......> Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality I have another one: #?? Uncle sells cosmetics door to door. Nick's caddy used to be pink and have a Mary Kay sticker on it. Sherri Cousin * Unnamed "Oh, I'm much more than that.... Doesn't the sensation that you're feeling right now tell you that I'm much more than that?" LC to Nick (The Fix) Cousin Sherri Member of the Unnamed Faction ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:14:34 -0400 From: Mary Davis <Spirit3679@a.......> Subject: Fwd: Suicide ain't painless --------------------- Forwarded message: From: grifter1@c....... (Mary Davis) To: Spirit3679@a....... Date: 96-06-04 14:10:16 EDT Considering the responses to LK ie. how could Nick do such a cowardly thing, what a wuss, etc. It causes me to wonder if it might have been the intention of the creative forces to show suicide is a lousy choice to make. Could be they wanted the audience to feel just how painful suicide really is to those left behind. Perhaps that is why the show opened and closed with LaCroix's powerful speech on the value of life. Personally, if even just one person is saved from suicide, I think it was worth it. I must agree with LaCroix when given the choice. "I choose to live, Divia, to LIVE. HE WHO SAVES A SINGLE LIFE SAVES THE WORLD ENTIRE. Mary Davis LIVE IN LOVE ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:20:57 -0400 From: Lane Lombardia <longpath@n.......> Subject: Request for assistance I am attempting to track down two persons on the list; but the last known email addresses are bouncing in a most unsavory fashion. I apologize for taking up bandwidth; but, if anyone has a current address, or knows the status of Nancy Brighouse -and/or- Millie Cady please email me offlist soonest. OBFK: Does anyone know where LaCroix was immediately before he turned up in Toronto in Dark Knight? (I figure that asking about a first season episode is the safest way to avoid violating spoiler protection) My Sincere thanks, Lane Lombardia <longpath@n.......> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:34:24 -0500 From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: Birthday month questions Jane S. notes, regarding whether it was April or June in OTL: >Keep in mind, of course, that when you've been through a Toronto winter, >even 18c (about 67F) seems balmy. Jane, I live in Wisconsin. 18c *is* balmy!! <VBG> P.S. -- we aren't there yet, consistantly, even now! On a totally wild tangent, let's look at another aspect of this birthday thing: is Natalie more likely to be an Aries (April 14) or a Gemini (June 14). Now we all know she's Gemini *material* (i.e.,the Canadian award <G>), but how about astrologically. Aries: Fire sign. Hot emotions. Impulsive. Jumps to conclusions, jumps into situations without fully analyzing them. Fast to anger, fast cool down. Gemini: Air sign. Communicator, intellectual. Cooler, more hidden emotions. Tends to be able to keep a lot of mental balls in the air, and bounce back and forth between them. These are just thumbnail sketches, but based on what I know about astrology, I think there was a glitch in LK. Nat's *much* more likely to be a Gemini than an Aries. Even her profession fits better. We now return you to the rest of the weirdness.... Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:51:18 -0400 From: "Sarah A. Houghton" <sahought@m.......> Subject: Re: Spicing up Blood and Nightcrawler Tape On Fri, 31 May 1996, TippiNB wrote: > I checked with a nurse friend of mine. She said if you microwave blood it > curdles. Ewwww! The individual little bloodcells pop because of the way a > microwave works. I guess he could warm it in a saucepan. How do hospitals warm blood before transfusions? I mean, don't they have to warm it first? Does anyone know? > Nick, care for a little blood pudding? Why am I suddenly getting this image of Nick making jello shots? "Introducing Jell-o's new flavor...." > Maybe he could just keep it in a rack like LC does at the Raven? I mean, > maybe mix it with a little wine to preserve it or something? Or maybe he's > just being masochistic by drinking it cold? I always figured that he couldn't keep it in a rack because: 1) someone might notice and drink some by accident thinking it was wine, 2) it would serve as a reminder of his misery, and 3) he can't find a suitable place for it in the loft. If he had a pantry, a rack *would* work nicely. I agree that masochism must be a factor in drinking blood cold--it's got to taste awful that way. I always thought that blood thickened when it got cold; if that's so, it must be like drinking red sludge. BTW, Janette Z (Janette92@a.......), *please* email me. I've been trying to get past your hungry server about the Nightcrawler Tape for a month. --Sarah Brujah, Vaquera, Dark Knightie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:53:32 -0400 From: Bast Khemet <bast@c.......> Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Kevin Matsumoto wrote: > >Ok, my turn. He would never admit that: > >#?? He has the entire collection of Walt Disney movies. La Croix would also never admit to wearing a pink polo shirt and white slacks and walking around singing "Whistle While You Work." --Bast *keeping to the Disney topic while avoiding getting a sig* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:35:08 -0400 From: Jennifer Dukarski <DUKARSJA@u.......> Subject: LaCroix's Personality ** Proprietary ** De-lurking to bring you my opinion on the best Disney movie for LaCroix: Pete's Dragon!!! "Fly, higher and higher and glide above the clouds...." Jenn Dukarski Dukarsja@u....... "Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." --Schafer's Razor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:53:41 -0400 From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......> Subject: Fatherhood Margie said: > In Dark Knight, the pilot episode, the very first episode, when Nick was > telling Natalie about LaCroix, he said, "He's like a father or a brother." I just re-watched "Nick Knight," the first pilot starring Rick Springfield and Michael Nader. I noticed that this line (delivered to the male coroner, Dr. Jack) was "He's like a brother." No mention of fatherhood. Throughout the film, LC is referred to either as Nick's master or as his brother. The father/son aspect was probably added later, during the re-tooling for "Dark Knight," because Lacroix's line calling Nick "my brother, my child" isn't in "Nick Knight" either. This might have had to do with the fact that Michael Nader didn't look that much older than Rick Springfield. Even though a vampire can bring someone across who *looks* the same age or even older than he is (hey, LC brought across that old Constantine mob don in "Father's Day"), I'd imagine that it's hard from an artistic perspective to establish a father/son relationship when two characters *look* the same age. But then again, there's absolutely no way Nigel Bennett is anywhere near old enough to be Ger's father, either. <g> So what do I know. FYI, for the excessively curious: Michael Nader's birth date: 18 February 1945 Rick Springfield's birth date: 23 August 1949 Nigel Bennett's birth date: 19 November 1949 Geraint Wyn Davies' birth date: 20 April 1957 The above are from the Internet Movie Database (IMDb) & aren't confirmed. I checked Ger's birthdate (which wasn't clear in the IMDb) against the fan club info and 20 April 1957 is what the fan club book says. ~~ Allison (percy91@w.......) ~ Knightie ~ Chief Bunny ~ Etc. ~~ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:57:23 -0500 From: Laura Ruggiero <larug@s.......> Subject: Updated June Scfi-Fi Channel Schedule There is still no word on what the scifi channel will be showing in July, but here is the updated June schedule: June 03 Black Budda Part 2 (302) June 10 Outside the Lines (303) June 17 Blackwing (304) June 24 Games Vampires Play (315) (Syndi stations (assuming they are showing fk on the same schedule) will air a given ep sometime the week PRIOR to the above given dates) So they are not going to show them in order, but hopefully we will get some more eps off spoiler protection soon (how are we going to deal with spoilers once fkspoilr is gone?) Laura (larug@s.......--coming off 4.5 days of receiving no mail (all of which I now need to read) due to some stupid tech's mistake in working with the SIU mail server) Die-hard, Methos Flag Waver ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:14:32 PST From: June Russell <Kat@g.......> Subject: Re: Birthday month questions Regarding Gemini vs Aries birthday for Nat: :These are just thumbnail sketches, but based on what I know about astrology, :I think there was a glitch in LK. Nat's *much* more likely to be a Gemini :than an Aries. Even her profession fits better. I personally have always thought that midApril would have been when Nat had her birthday. She's exactly like many of the doctors I know who *are* Aries. (Most of the people I know are either Capricorns, Virgos or Aries. But then, so are all my friends.) Kat Kat ( June Russell ) pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g....... Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:06:30 PST From: June Russell <Kat@g.......> Subject: Re: Mail Problems.... Dotti wrote: :ObFK: I just read something in Entertainment Weekly that because of the :quick demise of that "other" show, vampires are out now in the land of tv :and mummies are in....oh, brother. That just might make our crusade a little :more difficult. I'd like to see them make a series about a mummy. Ha! (But then I didn't watch FK until this year because I couldn't believe they would be able to make the format work. Ya never know.) Actually, vampires may be out for right now, but that doesn't mean that next year or the year after they aren't more popular than ever. Kat Kat ( June Russell ) pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g....... Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:48:04 -0700 From: Patty Winter <pwinter@b.......> Subject: Cedric Smith John Folden writes: Catherine is married to him??? I new she was attached, but I never realized he had anything to do with FK(nor that he was involved in acting). Oh, indeed he is! Smith is one of the stars of "Avonlea" (as it's known here in the U.S.; in Canada, it's "Road to Avonlea."), and in fact has been nominated for Gemini awards for his role. (And perhaps has won; I don't know.) Avonlea is shown in the U.S. on The Disney Channel; in Canada on CBC. He's in virtually every episode. And of course, Nigel Bennett was in some episodes of the season that's now being repeated on Disney. Patty ========================= patty@w....... ========================= Support "Due South"! If you're a fan, let CBS know ASAP! =========================== Sunnyvale, Calif. ========================== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:13:31 -0500 From: michael wayne jackson <mjay@n.......> Subject: Re: Cedric Smith At 01:48 PM 6/4/96 -0700, Patty Winter wrote: >Oh, indeed he is! Smith is one of the stars of "Avonlea" He is also the voice of Charles Xavier, Professor X, on the animated X-Men. Cath is the voice of Jean Grey, Phoenix. The actor who plays Peter Caine on KF:TLC also supplies the voice of one of the X-Men characters, but I can't figure out which one. michael wayne jackson -- mjay@n....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:25:35 -0700 From: Swordsister <catheboo@c.......> Subject: Re: Cedric Smith John Folden writes, re Cedric Smith: > Catherine is married to him??? I new she was attached, but I > never realized he had anything to do with FK(nor that he was > involved in acting) Hmm... I guess I was always under the impression that Cedric and Cath never married, but were just SO's. But then, I've been under some tres strange impressions in my life that have turned out to have no basis on reality, sooo... somebody more knowledgable (Sharon, Jennie?) want to give a definitive word? Catherine --------------------------------------------------------------- Catherine Boone Knightie HBTS catheboo@c....... "Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon." - H. L. Mencken ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:29:49 -0700 From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......> Subject: It can happen I found the following on the Zentertainment newsletter: > According to THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, Spelling Entertainment > is currently in negotiations to take THE KINDRED to another > channel such as Showtime. Information on how to show your > support can be found at the KINDRED web site, > http://www.kindredemb.com , and stay tuned to ZEN for > further developments. Perhaps Forever Knight can be considered along with this other show so as to make it a dual-show vampire night on Showtime? Jackie Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School! ejdjd@i....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:10:00 -0700 From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......> Subject: fk on scifi Hi, Are they only going to show fk once a week on scifi, or are the going to eventually do five eps a week like with Beauty and the Beast. Until next time, Raissa Devereux raissa@i....... I've got places to go, people to dissect.- Natalie Lambert ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:52:58 -0400 From: Polly Lynn <plynn@p.......> Subject: Question about spoilers Do we have to unsubscribe from the spoiler list or by just shutting it down are we automatically unsubscribed. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the syndicated stations were NOT getting the last few episodes of FK and that Sci-Fi was getting them exclusively? Wouldn't that mean that the last episodes would not come off spoiler protection until Sci-Fi shows them again? That Last Knight won't be in syndication? And just for curiousity sake, between all the spoilers accidently slipping through; is there anybody on the list who hasn't either seen Last Knight or doesn't know what happens? Are we going to talk about the last episodes on this list after Spoiler shuts down in 2 weeks even if they haven't been repeated yet? Thanks for the info. Katja: your tape is in the mail. Polly ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:00:32 -0500 From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: How Long Is the Longest Friendship? Bravo to Deborah Bender!! She has eloquently stated a number of telling points regarding the N/LC relationship. To which I'm going to add a drachma or two worth -- First of all, if a type of relationship bothers you, then don't go around chewing the darn thing to shreds. Someone else might want it. Go find an aspect you like and pet it all you want. "And it harm none, do what you will," is not just a witchy rule -- it's really a pretty sound philosophy for anyone. Let's *discuss* certainly, but not to the point of anger -- a total waste of energy that could be better expended writing another passionate letter to TPTB. <G> Neither Nick nor LaCroix are the products of 20th century Western Civ, as Deborah *beautifully* and in excellent detail points out. And although it may startle a lot of people, the values of 20th century West. Civ. are neither as universal nor as *normal* as they might like to believe. Far from it. In some ways, this is the most neurotic about body image, sexuality, and related things that mankind has *ever* been: Vogue defended their anorextic models by saying they are no *more* unhealthily thin than any other magazines models (not true, BTW. As a former insider on the modeling industry, I can tell you that you have to be thinner to get into Vogue than anywhere else. Not that I was ever a magazine model. Or thin.) Americans fight about homosexuals in the military as if there had never been any there before, and about prayer in schools like the kids who really *need* to pray are going to wait for anybody's permission! Sheesh! There is a method to all this. As Deborah pointed out: > We should also bear in mind that although homosexual activity has been >around since time immemorial, the social category of a homosexual __person__ >did not exist until it was created by Victorian scientists. People could and >did engage in homoerotic behavior and even homosexual intercourse without >thinking of themselves as "homosexual". There are periods in time when close physical relationships between men or women were quite normal. Women throughout most of history have gotten their primary emotional and sensual support from each other -- they were property and bargaining chips to most of male society. And as for men -- in the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, as well as in military situations throughout time, m/m relationships were seen as normal, even strengthening. And this was even more prevelant in the Roman period of LaCroix's mortal years. Did they or didn't they? I dunno. Maybe I'll get a mind-flash on it someday and toss out some fanfic with my exploration of the question. Otherwise, not my problem, monkey-boy. Write me a story. I'll read it. I might even tell you what I think (actually, I do that rather a lot...<EG>). But I've got better things to do that argue about the biggest null concept ever invented by the arrogant human mind: *morality* as a universal. Because it simply isn't. I can illustrate some perfectly operational cultures whose practices would appall you -- but they work. And I can also illustrate some cultures who find *us* appalling (besides the Religious Right<G>) -- for practices you find perfectly normal and acceptable, even *moral*. Onward and upward, folks. Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:29:27 -0800 From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......> Subject: NB and the X-Men NB is the voice of "Mastermold." Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:32:05 -0500 From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: NatPack birthdays Sharon Himmanen notes: >My favorite reason for denying that it's April 14th came frome Jamie I >think, who, when she saw that shook her head and said, "No way Nat's an Aries." > >Works for me <g>. Yeah, me, too -- as I just posted! Didn't know Jamie and y'all'd already discussed that. >I'm leaving it up as June 24th on the NatPack page. Amy Hull's explanation >of why it's June 24th is just too charming to waste. What was that??? And 24th? Gee, that makes her a Cancer, not a Gemini, and even more likely: homebody, somewhat reclusive, moody, emotional but not always showing it, intellectual and philosophical... Maybe there's something to the Nat/LaCroix faction after all....<EG> Do we have any idea whether Nick really is a January 1 baby? This would, of course, NOT have been New Years Day in his time period. But it could be interesting. By the way, I would vote that LaCroix is probably a Scorpio, or *maybe* a Virgo. Janette's very likely Scorpio, too, possibly Capricorn. Vachon's an Aries/Taurus mix -- cusp or Taurus with an Aries moon, maybe. Or a Leo moon, but his ducking and tumbling are *very* Aries. Urs is either Pisces or Libra. Anybody else?? Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:53:19 +1000 From: MARY YOUNG <md.young@s.......> Subject: Thankyou everyone Thankyou every one who sent me luck for my exams i did great!!!! I answered all the questions espescially the ones about BLOOD!!! any how i have another YKYBWTMFK when you read the "The Vampire Lestat" and you see that two of the characters are called Nicholas and Jeanette . has anyone else oticed this even though Janette is spelt wrong it is still uncanny dont you think?!! email me off list if you have noticed this from Janettes very happy Fangs Mary md.young@s....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:40:20 -0500 From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......> Subject: Re: first season parental stuff At 09:23 AM 6/4/96 -0500, Carrie Krumtum wrote: >I would say that there wasn't any such emphasis <on the father-son > relationship in first season because ... LaCroix ... only existed in >flashbacks, and since the flashbacks were all from Nick's >POV, they wouldn't hold that kind of emphasis anyway This brings up something I've been noticing. I hear lots of references from LaCroix about Nick being his son, but I don't remember hearing Nick refer to LaCroix as his father. Even in Dark Knight, Nick says LaCroix is "like" a father or a brother, while LaCroix directly refers to Nick as "my child". Nick refers to LaCroix as his friend some of the time, but not as his father. I don't know what this means. Any thoughts on it, or are there episodes where he does refer to LaCroix that way? Margie (treeleaf@i.......) N&NPacker Cousin of the Knight Margie (treeleaf@i.......) N&NPacker Cousin of the Knight ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:10:20 -0500 From: Semper <Semper@h.......> Subject: Re: X-Man >>>>>>> The actor who plays Peter Caine on KF:TLC also supplies the voice of one of the X-Men characters, but I can't figure out which one. michael wayne jackson -- mjay@n....... De-lurking for this one: Chris Potter (aka Peter Caine) gives voice to Gambit--the one with the quasi-Cajun accent. CS ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:13:51 -0400 From: Deborah Bender <DBendr@a.......> Subject: homoerotic intent in DFF episode A late first season episode which seemed to me to be highly charged with erotic energy was Dying for Fame. This is the episode with the singer Rebecca, and Fred Mollin's great Dark Side of the Glass song. In lieu of flashbacks, this episode had what appeared to be waking dreams or visionary fantasies, all from Nick's POV, reflecting how he views his existence as a vampire. In one of these fantasies, Nick is a jailed prisoner, and LaCroix, dressed in a cop's uniform, strolls in front of the bars and taunts him. At one point, LC reaches through the bars and Nick, instead of shrinking away, leans toward LC and allows him to cup Nick's chin in his hand. There is a shot of Nick, looking very young, looking up at LC with a piteous expression. It probably doesn't come through in my description, but this scene seemed to me to have a strong homoerotic current. It also reminded me of S/M play. Last year, the director of this episode (and several others) showed up in the AOL FK forum and invited us to comment on his work. (Easy for me; DFF is one of my favorite episodes.) I emailed him and described what I had picked up in this scene, and asked him whether any of it had been intentional on his part or the part of the actors. He emailed back that the homoerotic quality __was__ intentional, and that nobody had been thinking about S/M at all. I didn't post this exchange at the time because it was in private email, but now that the series has come to an end I don't see any harm in it. I am satisfied that the homoerotic aspect of Nick and LaCroix's relationship was intended by the creators of the series, and not just something we are reading in. Deborah Bender DBendr@a....... The Witches Trine, quarterly magazine of the NROOGD Craft tradition. Email me for subscription information. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:49:31 +1000 From: MARY YOUNG <md.young@s.......> Subject: Hey there Hi its me again well I have been watching the first season episodes that i have, yes all six of them and i am getting abit bored of the same old thing anyhow I will be recieveing the whole lot soon so i cant wait today that is june 4 1996 I will be buying my very own copy of Interview with the vampire yeh they finally got it on video to buy out here in Australia anyhow they had better hurry up with the next season of FK for us cos we want to see it I especially want to see "Fate worse than death" cos i am a Ravenette if you hadnt gathered that yet from Janettes Fangs Mary md.young@s....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:37:57 -0500 From: Robbi Egersdorf <egersdor@m.......> Subject: Needed for fanfic I need someone who can translate some things to German for me for a piece of fanfic that I am writing. I someone would e-mail me off list, I would appreciate it. This one's gonna be great. I can't wait! I also need someone who is familiar with current street language and illicit drugs. Robbi Knightie With Dark Tendencies Long Live the Knight egersdor@m....... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:12:23 -0500 From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......> Subject: Re: first season parental stuff I apologize for sending this again, but there was something else I meant to add. At 09:23 AM 6/4/96 -0500, Carrie Krumtum wrote: >I would say that there wasn't any such emphasis <on the father-son > relationship in first season because ... LaCroix ... only existed in >flashbacks, and since the flashbacks were all from Nick's >POV, they wouldn't hold that kind of emphasis anyway This brings up something I've been noticing. I hear lots of references from LaCroix about Nick being his son, but I don't remember hearing Nick refer to LaCroix as his father. Even in Dark Knight, Nick says LaCroix is "like" a father or a brother, while LaCroix directly refers to Nick as "my child". Nick refers to LaCroix as his friend some of the time, but not as his father. I don't know what this means. Any thoughts on it, or are there episodes where he does refer to LaCroix that way? I think Nick certainly reacts to LaCroix as a father much of the time. One of my favorite scenes for that is in Sons of Belial when Nick goes to ask LaCroix for help. Yet he doesn't verbally refer to LaCroix as his father. Margie (treeleaf@i.......) N&NPacker Cousin of the Knight Margie (treeleaf@i.......) N&NPacker Cousin of the Knight ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:17:16 -0500 From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......> Subject: Re: Origin of the Quest Amy wrote: >Yes, Nick has regretted his choice from the beginning <snip> Nitpicky Cousin mode: Doesn't he say in the BMV flashback "I do not regret what I am"? So for a little while, at least, he seems to be okay with it. Timewise, what's the next flashback we see after those in BMV? In BMV, it's not long after he's brought across. Do the flashbacks in SoB take place during the Inquisition (some History minor *I* am!)? I don't know if he regrets it by then, but he and LC don't seem *too* adversarial in those flashbacks. When's the first time we see Nick verbalize a regret for what he is? It's sort of like trying to put together a puzzle when some pieces are missing! ;) By the way, someone posted a timeline for the flashbacks a while ago. Does anyone know where I can find it, and if such a timeline exists for previous seasons? Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng! *Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction* "We skipped those lessons, didn't we?" LC to NK, discussing how to stitch a blind hem during Home Ec. class. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:21:04 -0500 From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......> Subject: Forever Mummy Dotti wrote: >ObFK: I just read something in Entertainment Weekly that because of the >quick demise of that "other" show, vampires are out now in the land of tv >and mummies are in....oh, brother. Bwahaha! Mental image alert! Mental image alert! FK retooled as a mummy show. (Not to be confused with a muumuu show, which is entirely different, and much *much* scarier.) Nick, having finally become mortal, is abducted by LC and wrapped in bandages... "He was mummified in 1996 and preyed on medical supply stores for gauze bandages.... Now he wants to repay humanity for his sins, to stop being an endless forever mummy..." Instead of living in the Apartment Bldg of the Damned he will live in the Apartment Bldg of *Ramses* the Damned (apologies to Anne Rice). Instead of being a cop, he'll be a paramedic (the bandages are handy)... I'll stop now. Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng! *Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction* "We skipped those lessons, didn't we?" LC to NK, discussing how to stitch a blind hem during Home Ec. class. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:22:43 -0500 From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......> Subject: interesting night - got it! Thanks to everyone who sent me An Interesting Night! I've got several copies now. ;) Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng! *Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction* "We skipped those lessons, didn't we?" LC to NK, discussing how to stitch a blind hem during Home Ec. class. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:15:51 +1000 From: MARY YOUNG <md.young@s.......> Subject: Opps oh heck i put the wrong date i meant wed 5 june 1996 is when i am getting my IWTV video which is the date today sorry from Janettes fangs ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:16:42 -0500 From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: Beginning of the Code :) Cousin Lisa remarks: >Of course, then they had to try had to make killing the hunter in Hunted in >the second season feeding on the guilty. I mean, come on, even if he's a >poacher, that's a pretty minor crime and there's no way Nick could have >considered hunting animals for food a crime in the first half of the 19th >c. That's a late 20th century development. Actually, in the 19th cen., poaching was an offence punishable by imprisonment, hanging, or transportation. NOT minor. Very serious. I have not seen the episode in question, but the crime itself would have been considered significant, especially by someone who identified more with the aristocracy than the peasantry. Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:16:51 -0500 From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......> Subject: Re: Yet More Astrology! Allison (percy91@w.......) notes: >FYI, for the excessively curious: > > Nigel Bennett's birth date: 19 November 1949 > Geraint Wyn Davies' birth date: 20 April 1957 Oh, my! So Nigel's a Scorpio and Ger's an Aries/Taurus cusp! How *facinating*! RE: LaCroix being a Scorpio -- I rest my case! <VBEG> Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel) wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger) Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned. If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters" are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:27:11 -0700 From: Denise Underwood <ithildin@m.......> Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality I have some as well... ;) # ??: Uncle volunteers as a synchronized swimming and rhythmic gymnastics coach at the local rec center. # ??: Flys around Toronto singing "We can Fly" from Peter Pan. #: ??: Watches his personal video of William Shatner singing "Rocket Man" #: ??: Does Ricardo Montalban impressions.. Rich Corinthian leather... Run awayyyyy......!!!! Denise ~The Cousinly Ravenette~ ~TEDT~ ~Killer Bunny of the Clan McGregor~ "That Rabbit has a viscous streak a mile wide!It's a killer!" Tim,Enchanter ithildin@m....... ** Ask me about Forever Knight chat every evening on IRC EFNet!! ** ** We are the Forever Knights who say "NI!" Bring us a shrubbery! ** =========================================================================
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