FORKNI-L
Logfile LOG9606A Part 5
June 3-June 4, 1996
File: "FORKNI-L LOG9606A" Part 5
TOPICS:
Nick and the Unnameds
mis-spellings in Mollin interview
Nat Pack Birthdays (5)
Hair, again
Hair and B-days...
Could the person that wanted my stories please get back to me?
Bad Blood - a question...
Nick and Nat in StF
Vampires and incest
SFC's Schulman; Outer Limits & GWD
Sad news (2)
Songs not on FK CD? (2)
LaCroix's Personality (7)
<No subject>
Nick's address and long goodbyes...
Blood Money (was Re: Name Questions)
ALERT: "Francesca" on CFPL NOW!!!
FK Mini-con at TorontoTrek
Wicked Cousin Tippi
first season parental stuff
Devil's advocate
FORKNI-L Digest - 3 Jun 1996
N&LC stories/slash
FOREVER NET at the Gerthering
Nick and the Unnameds (again)
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:46:08 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and the Unnameds
Margie Hammet writes:
>I'm curious. What did TPTB say or do? Which PTB are you talking about?
I don't have any specific quotes from any of TPTB about the relationship
between Nick and LC. My comments are just my opinions as based upon a
viewing of the episodes. I don't recall as much emphasis being placed
on the father/son relationship in first season. Does anyone recall
any dialogue or commentary in this regard from first season episodes
(I'm drawing a blank right now)? But second season gave us Father's
Day (with its heavy emphasis on the father/son aspect of their
relationship) and there have been many other instances of dialogue
in second and third seasons emphasizing the father/son aspects. It
almost felt to me that with LC's return, someone decided that they
wanted it pounded into viewers' heads that this was a *father and son*
relationship. This is just my opinion but maybe there was some concern
that a homosexual tone to the relationship would lose viewers and
sponsors. The increased emphasis on the father/son stuff smacks of
"thou doth protest too much", imo. :)
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:13:02 -0300
From: Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: mis-spellings in Mollin interview
Well my system has been acting REALLY screwy today and decided to miss up
the spelling of Fred's last name. I sincerely apologize for the error.
However, as it would be too hard to go back and repost that first part [as
I believe only the intro had his name spelled wrong.] I also think it
would go against list rules to repost that size of a file. I will most
definitely be changing it before I send my copy to him. I do give
permission for any of you who are saving the file for personal keep or
showing others, to go ahead and correct the spelling of his name. [And
only that.]
Again, I apologize for any error.
Lynn Stapleton
d7ux@u.......
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:20:36 -0400
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Re: Nat Pack Birthdays
On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Susan M. Garrett wrote:
> OBFK: In OTL, Nick wakes up on Nat's table on her birthday. The calendar
> on the lab wall says JUNE. So why is it, when they finally get down to
> continuity in the last couple eps (no spoilers please), that they get THIS
> wrong?
That's easy. In OtL, Natalie had flipped her calendar forward a couple
of months because she was planning her travel to the first "Weekend with
Scottie."
Confused? Read Diane le Mercenaire's "Vice Versa II." <bg>
Allison (percy91@w.......)
Real Life has been *cancelled*! For more info on how to save it,
check out http://members.aol.com/FuzNatLamb/SaveRealLife.html
--
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:53:41 -0700
From: Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Re: Hair, again
At 06:21 PM 6/3/96 -0400, Carolyn Brown wrote:
>What color is Ger's hair in Real Life? In the show it appears to be
>everything from dark blonde to purple <g>, depending on the lighting.
>
>Carolyn
Why don't you ask Dianne the Merc? <giggle>
REF: Vice Versa <snicker> <snicker>
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......> Janette on the SKL list
From the Desk of: Sectuib SaySha ambrov Tien Sime/Gen
Member: Cold Shower Sisterhood V Loop, SKL, LC
I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:41:39 -0700
From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@g.......>
Subject: Hair and B-days...
Allison writes (re: Nat's B-day blooper):
>That's easy. In OtL, Natalie had flipped her calendar forward a couple
>of months because she was planning her travel to the first "Weekend with
>Scottie."
> Confused? Read Diane le Mercenaire's "Vice Versa II." <bg>
In the very next message, Cherri writes:
> >What color is Ger's hair in Real Life? In the show it appears to be
> >everything from dark blonde to purple <g>, depending on the lighting.
> Why don't you ask Dianne the Merc? <giggle>
> REF: Vice Versa <snicker> <snicker>
My, my... I feel so popular! It's the fic-that-will-not-die... <g>
But I must point out that Ger is, sadly, not a cast member on Real
Life. He's not even a fan. I hate to break it to you guys, but in
RL, Ger doesn't even exist! <g>
Nick, however, is a dedicated fan of the show. Scottie, of course,
is the lead....
Dianne
The JP of RL... <g>
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <cat.goddess@p.......>
-*-"We must be powerful, beautiful, and without regret."-*-
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:49:18 -1000
From: Kevin Matsumoto <kevinm@p.......>
Subject: Could the person that wanted my stories please get back to me?
Sorry for doing this on the listserv, but could the person that was asking me
about where to find the first two parts of my stories please reemail me? I did
something real stupid and erased your original message after responding to it.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:57:32 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Bad Blood - a question...
> From: "Raissa Devereux" <1595@e.......>
> The name of the inspector in Bad Blood is Liam O'neil, played by CD's
> significant other Cedric Smith.
Catherine is married to him??? I new she was attached, but I never realized
he had anything to do with FK(nor that he was involved in acting).
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:06:28 -0700
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Nat in StF
Margie wrote (on fkspoilr, but this isn't one anymore) re whether Nick
and Nat truly love each other:
>Did you watch the tag in StF? <snip> Nick has his back to her. Their
>are tears in his eyes,
>he says, "I wish...", and his eyes move just slightly, as Natalie
>leaves. I saw that as him wishing that he could have a romantic
>relationship with Natalie.
Just goes to show we all see things very differently. I thought he was
saying "I wish I could have made it work with Emily."
Reinforced, as Tippi pointed out, by the fact that when Nick fantasizes
about The Denied, he envisions Emily, NOT Natalie, as the beloved
heroine.
LaurieCF
Cousin MBDtK
and most definitely NOT a N&Npacker!
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:30:00 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires and incest
At 04:13 PM 6/3/96 -0400, Loose Cannon wrote:
>That might even be the reason *why* they bring them over, because they are
>attracted to/love them. Do we then assume because of the "parent/child"
>relationship that now exists between the new vampire and their maker, that
>this relationship becomes chaste?
It seems to me it makes a difference as to whether there was already an
adult, consenting, sexual/romantic relationship before the person was
brought over, as in the case with Alyssa, or whether the vampire brought
someone over and then forced a sexual relationship on them.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:43:23 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: SFC's Schulman; Outer Limits & GWD
At 04:09 PM 6/3/96 -0400, Allison Percy wrote:
>Our Friend at the Sci-Fi Channel is Barry Schulman,
>the Vice President for Programming.
Is this the person to write to to ask them to try to get the Canadian
versions of first season? The last time we had some info on this, Sci-Fi
said they needed the advertising revenue. I wonder if they're aware that
the Canadian versions are about the same length (45 minutes?) as second
and third season eps (I gather they're 44 minutes, from reading Fred
Mollin's interview), while the American versions of first season eps are
only 38 minutes long. Do we write to Barry Schulman about this, or
someone else?
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:14:10 -0500
From: MARG YAMANAKA <ZEZQ01A@p.......>
Subject: Sad news
It is with regret that I inform you that the "Forever Knight" sign that
graced the entrance of the production studios is no longer there.
Marg
ZEZQ01A@p.......
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:12:08 -0600
From: Ted Atkinson <llacroix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Songs not on FK CD?
>There seem to be at least two songs played in the Raven in that episode that
>did not show up on the CD! Does anyone know if these were Fred Mollin's
>creations and they just didn't feel like putting them on the CD? Any comments?
I suspect they simply didn't have the space. A CD can only hold approx 74
minutes and the soundtrack CD has approx 73 minutes worth of tunes. It's
definitely a full CD. Fred -- how about FK soundtrack part 2 !
I've found that track 10 is perfect for my answering machine! Those @#$%
telemarketers never call back!
For the unfortunate, track 10 is Uncle saying: "If you love something, let
it go. If it doesn't return, hunt it down and kill it."
Ted Atkinson Cousin
llacroix@i.......
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:27:55 E
From: Debra Ann Fiorini <fiorini@m.......>
Subject: Re: Nat Pack Birthdays
Susan asks:
>OBFK: In OTL, Nick wakes up on Nat's table on her birthday. The calendar on
>the lab wall says JUNE. So why is it, when they finally get down to
>continuity in the last couple eps (no spoilers please), that they get THIS
>wrong?
In the last ep, April 14 is quoted as Nat's birthday. (No way that's a
spoiler)>
I say that's a good date because it's also my birthday. :)
As for why the calendar in OTL said June...well maybe Nat was looking
ahead at something when Nick's body was wheeled in and distracted, she
neglected to turn it back to the right month - April.
Works for me. :)
Debra Ann
Guenvier@a....... or fiorini@a.......
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:40:59 -0500
From: Sherri Haynes <abadi@p.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
>Now, what about a list of things he does do, but would never admit to and
>would *kill* anyone who actually caught him doing them, like:
Here's more:
3. He watches Martha Stewart's Living (and wonders if she should be....)
4. He's Nathan Lane's understudy in "Forum" on Broadway.
This is fun.
Sherri
Cousin * Unnamed
"We *are* each other... you will always be mine... eternally." LC to Nick
(The Fix)
Cousin Sherri
Member of the Unnamed Faction
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:24:14 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
At 06:46 PM 6/3/96 -0500, Sandra Gray wrote:
>I don't recall as much emphasis being placed
>on the father/son relationship in first season. Does anyone recall
>any dialogue or commentary in this regard from first season episodes
Yes. The only first season episode I've seen is "Dark Knight", but it was
the pilot. There is a speech in it where LC says to Nick, "Immortality.
Wasn't that your big wish? To live forever. ... I gave that to you. What
did I get in return? Desertion, hatred, contempt." That, to me, is the
parental Ungrateful Child speech. Obviously, other people may have other
interpretations, but IMNSHO on this particular point, the parent-child
relationship was there from the very beginning.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousin of the Knight
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:52:42 CDT
From: "OREL, SARA" <FA55@n.......>
Subject: Nick's address and long goodbyes...
Regarding Nick's address?
Well, I just checked my Toronto street map, and there is no "Gateway
Lane" -- there is a "Gateway Blvd" but that is up in Don Mills...
Just thought you might want to know.
I have been very good last week and I put two articles in the mail
today, picked up my plane tickets, and ordered some venison from my boss
to take home to mom and dad. I will be off in Bulgaria (since everyone
else is going exotic places, I thought I'd mention my destination) for
the next month. Email will be held for me until I get back, but I am
signing off all the lists. Have a good month, and wear garlic around
your neck if you think it will help.
Mercenarily (proudly if somewhat awed by the campaigning going on in the
merc loop) yours,
Sara Orel
FA55%nemomus@a.......
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:58:18 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject: Re: Songs not on FK CD?
Ted Atkinson wrote:
>Fred -- how about FK soundtrack part 2 !
>I've found that track 10 is perfect for my answering machine! Those
>@#$% telemarketers never call back!
What a great idea! This from a Knightie, I know. But I can't keep from
smiling. Now if I can just find those darn instructions for how to
record the message on my answering machine.....
:)=
--
Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:03:24 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <carriek@e.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
Sherri Haynes wrote:
> 3. He watches Martha Stewart's Living (and wonders if she should be....)
>4. He's Nathan Lane's understudy in "Forum" on Broadway.
> This is fun.
#?. He buys crackerjacks and goes through the boxes just for the TOYS!
#?. He slides around in the Raven in nothing but boxers, a shirt and
socks lipsinking to oldies on the radio (NOT CERK).
You're right. This IS fun.
:)=
--
Carrie, Proud Knightie
The Nurse is a hampster
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:13:48 -0700
From: Cynthia Hoffman <choff@v.......>
Subject: Re: Blood Money (was Re: Name Questions)
On Fri, 31 May 1996, John & Donna Spert wrote:
> > I think the police got distracted by the murder and didn't realize that
> > the pattern in which the money disappeared supports Sean being a
> > voluntary embezzler.
In this case it's important to remember that the de Brabant trust *didn't
exist* in the foundation paperwork. The only person who knew that money
was gone was Nick ... and he had a great stake in making sure no one found
out about it; it's why he made sure at the end that Sean completed the
transaction transfering the money to a Swiss account before he and Schanke
went in to bust Walken.
> Nah, remember that Schanke still kept trying to point the finger at Sean
> whereas Nick was trying to prove his innocence.
See above. And as regards the murder, which is what Schanke was trying
to pin on Sean, Nick was right: Sean didn't kill his father.
Cynthia
Cynthia Hoffman/choff@v.......
Raven ** IB ** MBDtK
We cater to the occasional fetishist
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:22:48 -0400
From: Dalton Spence <dalton.spence@f.......>
Subject: ALERT: "Francesca" on CFPL NOW!!!
For folks who unfortunately got "Francesca Doe" from WKBW a few weeks
ago, you now have a second chance! CFPL channel 10 London (Roger's Cable
21 in Hamilton) is showing "Francesca" RIGHT NOW!!! If you can get your
tape in the VCR before 10:30, you can get the last half of the show. But
HURRY! You have only until the next commercial break!
Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc. <ag775@f.......>
Home Page: http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ag775/home.html
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:28:01 -0500
From: April Ruskin <aruskin@e.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
Carrie wrote:
>#?. He buys crackerjacks and goes through the boxes just for the TOYS!
>
>#?. He slides around in the Raven in nothing but boxers, a shirt and
>socks lipsinking to oldies on the radio (NOT CERK).
Let me try! Oh, please, can I try???? I can! Oh, thank you!!!!!
#205) He collects Barbie comicbooks to admire the fashions
#624) He gets nightmares (or daymares) from Friday the 13th
and Nightmare on Elm Street movies.
#1836) He turns his late night radio show into a computer
troubleshooting seminar.
(Used big numbers because there are a LOT of stuff to put in <wg>)
More to come from my diseased mind as I think of it!!!!
--
April Ruskin -- The NinjaBabe w/ an Attitude * aruskin@e.......
Cousin with tendencies to Knightiehood (HELP!!!!) and other factions *
SKLer * CSS * UFer * Cousin Mommy to the Cousin Kids * Follower of the X *
Empress of the Ellipses * In LK Denial * We are the Forever Knights who say
'NI!' Bring us a shrubbery! (As told by Ithildin)
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:42:08 -0400
From: "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
Ok, my turn. He would never admit that:
#?? He has the entire collection of Walt Disney movies.
Can you guess what his favorite would be?
Lisa P.
***************************************************************************
Only one thing is truly permanent...Forever Knight
Cousinly Knightie w/NatPacker tendencies <I do so hate to limit myself>
LadysAVamp@a....... -- "Hey, who you calling a lady!?!"
oboyyme@t....... -- <Lacroix's unheard thoughts at end of LK>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:39:35 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nat Pack Birthdays
> From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
> OBFK: In OTL, Nick wakes up on Nat's table on her birthday. The calendar on
> the lab wall says JUNE. So why is it, when they finally get down to
> continuity in the last couple eps (no spoilers please), that they get THIS
> wrong?
It's been soo long since I saw this episode (sigh).....Anyway, are there any
other shots of the lab *in the present* during that episode which might also
show the calendar? My thoughts are that perhaps it was a mistake...BTW,
does the calendar show the YEAR?
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:51:24 -0500
From: D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: FK Mini-con at TorontoTrek
Posting for Tracy Essam, who isn't online.
With permission of the Listowner, Her Royal Redness, and in accordance with
FORKNI-L protocol:
(drum roll, please... <g>)
Note: the pre-registration deadline for Toronto Trek is coming up very
soon on June 15. A pre-registration form is available at the Toronto
Trek web site <http://www.io.org/~kcozens/ttrek/tt10/index.html>
or people can call the Pre-Registration Hotline at (416) 699-4666.
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"The Search for Blood," a Forever Knight Mini-Con
(part of Toronto Trek 10)
August 2, 3, & 4, 1996, Toronto, Canada
Join us for the second annual con within a con at Toronto Trek X
at the Regal Constellation Hotel, 900 Dixon Rd. Toronto, ON Canada.
This year Forever Knight Canada is the host and have we got a con for you!
Guests, parties, panel topics that excite, guests, a Raven social club,
guests, a Vampire Lair where one can get the latest vampire accessories
and information, and did we mention guests?!
Buy a ticket for our special Guest of Honour party. Our special Guest of
Honour is Nigel Bennett and he will not be attending the rest of the
convention. He can only be seen at this event. The tickets won't last
long so buy soon.
Pre-registration memberships for Toronto Trek are Can$40 (US$30) until
June 15. The price of the mini-con? FREE with Toronto Trek X membership.
The exception is the Guest of Honour Party on Friday night, which will
cost Can$25 (US$20) until July 15 (net proceeds go to the Red Cross).
Confirmed guests:
Nigel Bennett (LaCroix)
Greg Kramer (Screed)
Matthew Campbell (Wardrobe; also played the Raven bartender
in "Black Buddha")
Catherine Taylor (Scene Continuity)
Nancy Baker (author of vampire books, including "The Night Inside"
and "Blood and Chrysanthemums")
Many other guests have been invited but not yet confirmed.
Updates will follow when confirmations are made.
As always: All guests are subject to professional commitments.
Parties: Guest of Honour Party (Friday night) with Nigel Bennett
Fan club party (Saturday night)
FK wake (Sunday)
There are quite a few great things to be put on the block for the charity
auction, including:
- one of the harps from "Queen of Harps"
- the flatliner machine from "Near Death"
- a spear from an "Ashes to Ashes" flashback
- several scripts
- items from Nigel's wardrobe (shirts, etc.)
- copies of the book "The Killing Mind" from "Jane Doe" (well,
the dust jacket of the book says "The Killing Mind," anyway,
and apparently on the inside flap of the dust jacket there
is some information about Jordan Manning) :-)
- and much more!
If you are interested in attending and would like more information,
please write:
Forever Knight Canada
302 Roselawn Ave.
Toronto, ON
Canada, M4R 1G1
INFO ON TORONTO TREK (the main convention, which you must register for to
go to the FK mini-con)
For info on Toronto Trek 10 (note that pre-registration by mail is only
available through June 15, so act quickly):
go to <http://www.io.org/~kcozens/ttrek/tt10/index.html>
or call the Pre-Registration Hotline at (416) 699-4666
You can also register for Toronto Trek and the FK mini-con (including the
GoH party with Nigel Bennett) at the door of the convention, but it will
cost somewhat more.
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Diane E
Official Authorised Representative, Search for Blood.
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
# "Death cannot stop True Love" Wesley, _Princess Bride_ #
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:54:50 CDT
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Wicked Cousin Tippi
Sorry to take up bandwidth with this, but I've been unable to contact Tippi
at her return address.
Tippi, I will surely send you a copy of the Nick/LC story when I find it.
It's definitely UF stuff.
Speaking of which, please sign me up (I've tried contacting you four times
now and the message always bounces! It's a conspiracy!
Thank you, Nancy
-------------------------------------
Name: Nancy Kaminski
E-mail: nancykam@m....... (Nancy Kaminski)
Date: 06/03/96
Time: 21:54:50
"I wish I could think of a clever sig..."
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:59:33 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nat Pack Birthdays
> From: "Sarah Welsh" <welshkin@d.......>
> 4) We know Nat was working on her birthday. Maybe her vacation started
> in June, and she or Grace flipped ahead in the calendar to give her
> something to look forward to.
I really like this idea! I've been in many medical facilities and noticed
that they do have a rather BIG habit of going out of their ways to mention
vacations and days off....maybe it's due to the long hours or crazy schedule
they normally work.
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:03:00 -1000
From: Kevin Matsumoto <kevinm@p.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
At 10:42 PM 6/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Ok, my turn. He would never admit that:
>
>#?? He has the entire collection of Walt Disney movies.
>
>Can you guess what his favorite would be?
>
Lessee Since this things he would never admit. Mary Poppins! Yeah that's the
ticket.:)
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:15:11 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: first season parental stuff
>At 06:46 PM 6/3/96 -0500, Sandra Gray wrote:
>
>>I don't recall as much emphasis being placed
>>on the father/son relationship in first season. Does anyone recall
>>any dialogue or commentary in this regard from first season episodes
then Margie wrote:
>Yes. The only first season episode I've seen is "Dark Knight", but it was
>the pilot. There is a speech in it where LC says to Nick, "Immortality.
>Wasn't that your big wish? To live forever. ... I gave that to you. What
>did I get in return? Desertion, hatred, contempt."
That never struck me as being very parental, actually. ;) In fact, doesn't
Ike Turner make a similar speech to Tina Turner in that flick What's Love
Got To Do With It? Replace "immortality" with "fame" and "to live forever"
with "to sing in front of people in mini-skirts". I'm *mostly* just
kidding. ;) Just trying to show that there are, indeed, many ways of
interpreting events and dialogue and no one way is any more or less valid.
Such a speech *could* be made a parent to a child, but it could just as
easily be made by one lover to another after a particularly nasty breakup.
After having seen about 15 of the first season eps, I'd have to say that I
agree with Sandra. The first season does *not* place as much emphasis on
the parent-child relationship as, say, the second and third seasons. The
first season does emphasize the master-slave relationship in quite a few
eps. And, strangely, even tho LC is (at this point) dead, he's still on
Nick's mind quite often.
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"I've got a hamster in my pants, and I think I like it."
- something Nick didn't say in an episode that never existed
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:21:04 -0600
From: Elizabeth R Milford <emilford@u.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's Personality
On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Kevin Matsumoto wrote:
> >#?? He has the entire collection of Walt Disney movies.
> >Can you guess what his favorite would be?
> >
> Lessee Since this things he would never admit. Mary Poppins! Yeah that's the
> ticket.:)
I'm voteing for '101 Dalmaitions'. (He watches it to get pointers
from Crewela DeVil (sp?) on how to torture Nick. Of course *really* he's
secretly carrying a torch for her, but don't tell him that I said so.)
Elizabeth
__________________________________________________________________________
Elizabeth R. Milford emilford@u....... GADDAB
When the goddess was handing out spelling genes I was getting seconds in
the "Bugs are Cool" line, thus the sorry state of affairs you had to
witness above. Don't even ask where I was when she handed out grammar genes!
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:22:39 -0500
From: "J.S. Levin/Stormsinger" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: Devil's advocate
It Was Asked:
>> Why should we- who have no corporate power- continue to fight for a cancelled
>> show
To which, Eileen Salmas replied:
>Two words -- STAR TREK
To which I will add two more: Dark Shadows (talk about comeback kids!)
I think I went on a rather long tear about this just a couple weeks ago. I
won't repeat myself (unless asked). Fans have tremendous power. Look at
Highlander. Look at X-Files. You think they're still on the air *simply*
because they sell soap??? Pu-lease!
I believe this fight is a long way from over.
Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:35:08 CDT
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Lacroix's Personality
Things LC does that he doesn't want anyone to know about:
1. Listen to Barry Manilow on his quadriphonic system, especially his
favorite, "I Write The Songs"
2. Do jigsaw puzzles
3. Read his horoscope in the daily paper
4. vacuum
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Name: Nancy Kaminski
E-mail: nancykam@m....... (Nancy Kaminski)
Date: 06/03/96
Time: 22:35:08
"I wish I could think of a clever sig..."
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:56:09 -0400
From: "Donna G. Albrecht" <WriterDGA@a.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 3 Jun 1996
Just a quick follow-up.
I had mentioned that I found the promotion of the idea of incest between LC
and Nick a bit much. The responses have been fascinating.
Several people on-line have taken the attitude that my opinion against incest
was somehow a personal attack. Of course is was nothing personal. This is a
forum for discussion, right? At least two respondents have implied that I
said something that could be interpreted as quelling their free speech. No
so. Re-read my post. I have just as much of a right to express my feelings
about a potentially incestuous relationship between LC and Nick as anyone
(regardless of how they view the subject).
As for the relationships between LC/Nick/Janette, LC is always the father
figure. Nick was apparently brought over in part to be a sexual partner for
Janette.
Finally, I believe LC had the final word on his feelings about incest when
Divia tried to seduce him and had her head detached for her troubles.
Donna
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:37:02 -0400
From: Beth Brown <BKBVA@a.......>
Subject: Re: Sad news
In a message dated 96-06-03 21:18:55 EDT, you write:
>
>It is with regret that I inform you that the "Forever Knight" sign that
>graced the entrance of the production studios is no longer there.
Well, I, for one, am grateful that I got the chance to be in Toronto, get the
tour, and see the studio sign before they took it down. And have great
pictures to prove it! (Thanks, Marg)
Beth
bkbva@a.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:37:04 -0400
From: Beth Brown <BKBVA@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nat Pack Birthdays
In a message dated 96-06-03 21:35:00 EDT, you write:
>In the last ep, April 14 is quoted as Nat's birthday. (No way that's a
>spoiler)>
>As for why the calendar in OTL said June...well maybe Nat was looking
>ahead at something when Nick's body was wheeled in and distracted, she
>neglected to turn it back to the right month - April.
Works for me. The only problem I had with it was that in OTL, it was clearly
warm weather, as everyone was walking around without a coat. Having just
been in Toronto in late April, there's *no way* it could have been that warm!
<g> ]
Torontonians are welcome to correct me if that was unusual weather.
Beth
bkbva@a.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:12:31 -0400
From: Joy Davis <Rjoi@a.......>
Subject: Re: N&LC stories/slash
Dear Debbie, Hi! You wrote that you are looking for some of the N/LC
fiction?
E-mail me. I tried to send to you, but it came back as undelivered.
I've got some good stories and am looking for others who ant to collaborate
on collecting them.
Joy
Cousin of the Knight~~~Unnamed Faction
& all around crazy for FK!
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:31:32 -0700
From: Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: FOREVER NET at the Gerthering
Anyone coming to the Weekend with Ger at the end of the month in Thousand
Oaks California, who wants to purchase copies of the FKFIC-L zine FOREVER
NET (at con rates, which saves us both some money), please email me
(PRIVATELY PLEASE!) and let me know. I'm willing to bring along copies if
I don't have to cart them home again (on the train, no less!). Therefore
I won't be bringing along many that aren't "spoken for" before I get on
Amtrak June 26.
Looking forward to meeting you all there!
--Valery
kingv@u.......
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:53:01 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and the Unnameds (again)
Margie Hammet writes:
>The only first season episode I've seen is "Dark Knight" [snip LC
>speech]
Well, I hope you get to see more of the first season episodes someday.
>the parent-child relationship was there from the very beginning.
As Tippi said, not everyone views that scene that way. I didn't,
mainly because of the long head-to-toe, sensual look at Nick that LC
gave Nick when he neared him.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that there is *not* a parent-child
aspect to the relationship between LC and Nick. It's just that some
people see more levels of interaction than that. There's the friend
and brother aspects, for examples.
I thought LC exhibited symptoms of jealousy when watching Nick and
Nat kiss in Be My Valentine. In first season's Father Figure, they
take in a homeless mortal boy that Nick and Janette started to feel
"parental" for. LC's reaction seemed to me to be resentment of this
mortal child luring Janette and Nick away from him. He brings the
boy across. This can be viewed as LC simply not wanting his vampire
children to have any idea that they could lead a happy "mortal-style"
life. But underlying it all, imo, is jealousy.
Tippi writes:
>The first season does emphasize the master-slave relationship in
>quite a few eps.
Yes, and that is another aspect of their relationship, which is also
stated in very literal terms by Nick in the flashback of Killer
Instinct. When LC tells Nick he is "my protege", Nick replies "Your
slave." And this was not long after Nick was brought over. He was
able to perceive the bond between them as being controlled by LC, I
think. This is shown more graphically later in Nick's *desparate
fear* that LC has *left* him when LC is training him to find him by
"vibrations" (those invisible vampire ties between them). Nick has
been able over the centuries to resist LC's control and eventually
break away from it to a large degree. But early on, LC called the
shots and if LC had wanted to take sexual advantage of Nick, I don't
think Nick would have been able to put up a lot of resistance. The
attitude projected in the "tracking by vibration" scene is that Nick
is totally dependent on LC. And LC tries very hard to keep Nick that
way over the centuries too. Why is this so? He has not kept other
children he's made under his thumb--just Nick and Janette. And since
Nick came along, he's paid much less attention to Janette. Further,
I think he's used Janette as a lure to try to keep Nick in the "family".
>And, strangely, even tho LC is...dead, he's still on Nick's mind quite
>often.
I think that's because to Nick LC came to represent all that was *evil*
about being a vampire. He embodied Nick's darkest fear--becoming like
LC. It's also is apparent that Nick suffered much emotional abuse by
LC (although LC may not have seen it that way), perhaps to an extent
that Nick felt a bit "rootless" with LC "dead". It also seems that
his relationship with LC has been his strongest connection to another
vampire. We've seen Nick in flashbacks with just LC, but rarely have
we seen Nick *alone* with Janette in a flashback. This may be an
indication that LC was more influential in Nick's life than Janette.
Finally, I have to say that a "parent-child" relationship does not
necessarily negate a sexual relationship. Sadly, even among mortals,
some parents sexually abuse their children.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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