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Logfile LOG9605E Part 2

May 28-May 29, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9605E" Part 2

	Another remark on spoilers
	I'm back!!!!!
	Blu M. on TV now!  (3)
	a Comment on Weight  (3)
	theme song
	The Weight Thing  (3)
	a Comment on Weight(Long)
	Temporary Condition
	No relevant conversations?
	recycle props
	Weight a minute!
	Weight thang
	FORKNI-L Digest - 27 May 1996
	OK, it's ours -- The Virtual Season
	Those 3 Little Words
	MediaWest Stuff -- Final
	A few items...
	Name Questions
	Gary Farmer Movie/BB1
	Snail Mail for TV Show Stuff
	Lots and lots of things!!!!
	ADMIN: LIST RULES and MediaWest

Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 13:30:35 -0400
From:         Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject:      Another remark on spoilers

Hi everyone --

I know that many people want to discuss how older episodes can be seen in
a new light after the last few episodes.  Because of the spoiler rules
(all spoilers for episodes that haven't yet been repeated in syndication
go to FKSPOILR and not FORKNI-L), the babysitter would like to request
that this type of discussion be taken to the FKSPOILR list.

It's just too easy for such musings to wander into the territory of
spoilers for the last few episodes.  This has happened at least once
already and will undoubtedly happen again.  You can't really discuss how
"Last Knight" affected your perceptions of episodes from, say, the
beginning of the third season without talking about what happened in "Last
Knight."  So... let's all go play this game on the FKSPOILR list, okay
kids?  :^)

And apparently it does bear repeating that *all* discussion of spoiler-
protected episodes must take place on FKSPOILR.  These episodes are:
  Games Vampires Play
  Human Factor
  Avenging Angel
  Fallen Idol
  Jane Doe
  Ashes to Ashes
  Last Knight

Anyone who wants a copy of the list rules and doesn't have web access to
reach the list rules page, please e-mail me off-list at
<percy91@w.......> and I'll forward another copy to you. Thanks.


-- Allison Percy  (percy91@w....... -or- AlliePercy@a.......) --
-- Knightie -- Perky List Babysitter -- Chief Bunny of Clan McGregor ---
- *Free* copy of list rules! http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FKRules.html --
-------------------------- Rule #1:  BE NICE! --------------------------
- "I'll give you $5 if you don't tell Mommy I was drinking her Scotch" -
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 12:40:24 +0200
From:         katrinka <STUKENDALCA@m.......>
Subject:      I'm back!!!!!

hello everyone!
yes, schools back in sesion, which means that this demented knightie is back.
yurg, summer school, if i didn't have to go, i wouldn't. but if i don't
go, i don't graduate.
can anyone e-mail me off list about the blooper script and how to get one?
there is going to be a con this weekend in oklahoma city, if anyone wants
info, e-mail me off list. P.N. Elrod will be there, and is going to go
out to eat with some of her fans, so, if you want to go, tell me.
okay, i can remember a message about no posting stories with characters
based on real people, does this just mean for example, i want to put
someone that looks like Brian may in the story, but change the name, and
not even make him a musician,am i not allowed to do that any more?
well, got to go, am glad i'm back!!!!
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 10:53:36 -0700
From:         Roxanne Piccen <CHIRMP@a.......>
Subject:      Re: Blu M. on TV now!

On Mon, 27 May 1996, Bonnie F Rutledge wrote:
>Hey you Reese's pieces!  Blu M. is on Cinemax right now
>(9:30-11) in "Breaking Point".  It looks like he's playing
>a police captain here too.

Perhaps this is where he got transferred after allowing a
woman to walk in with a gun, kill someone and leave without
anyone realizing it (i.e. Strings)?  Not to mention what
happened in LK.

Roxanne "I prefer M&Ms to Reese's Pieces" :-p
RoxanneP@a....... (Home) // CHIRMP@a....... (Work)
Save Forever Knight! // Save American Gothic!  Check out:
http://www.best.com/~owls for The Trinity Guardian
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 11:00:10 -0800
From:         Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject:      Re: a Comment on Weight

Thank you--I was just weighting for your permission to live my life as a
person who does not buy into damaging sizist bias.  If you wish to
interpret this as a flame fine, however, I find your smarmy condescension
offensive in the extreme.
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 11:04:49 -0800
From:         Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject:      Re: a Comment on Weight

You go girl--bravo!
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 14:27:58 -0500
From:         Mad Hatter <cli7@s.......>
Subject:      theme song


[this may have been posted before, but
i found the FK theme song at this site, along with
lots of other TV shows/commercials_but you'd
have to register (free) to listen/download stuff_]

Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 15:35:04 +30000
From:         Valerie Meachum <valerie@l.......>
Subject:      The Weight Thing

I'm trying really really hard to be rational about this, but I can't
*begin* to tell you how disturbing I find it that this subject has come
up again.  So I apologize in advance for any apparent harshness.  But it
pretty effectively ruined my morning to log on to my e-mail and see a
favourite actress of precious rare intellectual, emotional and spiritual
power getting picked on for her *weight* for pete's sakes!  It strikes me
as sadly petty, even *before* getting into the issue of whether the
criticism is valid, which in my opinion it isn't.

Tanya, you are most certainly entitled to both your opinions and your
priorities, however opposed to my own they may be.  But it is *not* a
"fact" that Cathy and/or Natalie is "fat"; by the standards I consider to
be healthy, which are every bit as "objectively" supportable as yours,
she is no such thing.  I see no need to make "excuses"; there is nothing
to excuse.  I don't always find the "athletic" type you hold up as ideal
to be attractive, nor do I think it suits everyone.  You deny dealing in
"extremes," but I can hardly think otherwise if you're going to label
someone 5' 5 1/2" and *maybe* (at a guess) 130 as "fat".  I can't tell
you not to hold that opinion, but I repeat it is *not* a fact.

It is also incorrect to assume that those listmembers who have spoken up
to say they happen to think she's gorgeous as is (and, in my case, *more*
so than she would be trying to fit a mold that I don't think is natural
for her build) are trying to use her to "excuse" their own shortcomings.
For the record, I'm 5'9" and 125, and a dancer and occasional model.  I
fought too long to deprogram myself from the Balanchine ideal I was fed
as a baby ballet rat to leave this subject alone.

I understand your saying your preference in terms of physical
attractiveness would be different.  But frankly, the rest of television
covers that area just fine.  What bothers me, and what I hope was not
intentional, was the contempt for others' preferences and priorites that
was implied by your posts.  "The eye of the beholder" may be hopelessly
cliche, but it's also irrevocably true.  I am also troubled by the
character judgments you seem to be making on the *basis* of physical

I welcome differing opinions.  I dislike seeing people I respect
personally attacked on the basis of opinions.  I thank you for your


Valerie Lynn Meachum    <valerie@l.......>
THE CRUCIBLE * by Arthur Miller * directed by Valerie Meachum * June 6-22, 1996
      Rosebriar Shakespeare Company, Columbus, OH * (614) 268-7986
Visit us on the Web at http://members.aol.com/wiliqueen/rosebriar.html
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 15:44:52 -0400
From:         Arletta Asbury <g4akl@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Blu M. on TV now!

>>(9:30-11) in "Breaking Point".  It looks like he's playing
>>a police captain here too.
>Perhaps this is where he got transferred after allowing a
>woman to walk in with a gun, kill someone and leave without

If I'm not mistaken, before being a police captain, Blu was
one of the police officers shooting at Richard Dryfuss in
the movie Another Stakeout.
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 15:18:39 -0500
From:         Lisa Clevenger <lcl366@a.......>
Subject:      Re: a Comment on Weight(Long)

I have tried to stay out of this but I can't keep quiet any longer.  Please
excuse the rambling.

Why is it that the ones who used to be heavy are always the ones who are the
most down on people  about  their appearances?

I think the a lot of the problem is that American society encourges us to
judge people on apperances and not on personality.   This translates big
time into media.  I find it tiring to see underweight, boney poeple on TV
and the big screen all the time.

This is what I find refreshing about FK.  That actors looked like real
people, chosen for talent instead of appearances.  A very talented group of
people,  I think.

But as usual, SOME people have bought into the appearance thing.  I look past
that to see Nat. She is more complex than most charaters on a hour long
drama(think Spelling) and she is a beautiful, unique woman.  And her hair, I
want hair like that!

Nick ain't perfect.  A perfect man is less obtainable for most wonmen.  Yet
Nick has a very healthy following.  Its his smile, the way he looks at a
woman(even Nat sometimes) that IMO attracts most of the Knighties, more than
his state of physical fitness.

Vachon,  those eyes that hair,  that air of mystery.  That is what I see.

And LaCroix,  Well his not a real buff California guy, but he exudes a
strange sensual spell that all the cousins have fallen under.  Espically
when he does that finger sucking thing.  His eyebrows are LC, out of control
things.  Nigel has nice eyebrows out of FK makeup.  But he is considered
sexy by A LOT of people on this list.  It's his voice, his way of expressing
himeself, those beautiful blue eyes, and many  other things, that attract
us. And he isn't the usual American sexy type.

Please don't belittle us by reducing fine actor/esses into little looks
compartments.  Looks are not everything.  Lots of in shape people seem to
think it's okay to dump on people becuase they are not a size 8.  Weight
doen't matter, personality does.  Try having a few kids to slow down your

We larger people are tired of being ragged on and having a perfectly talented
actress dumped on over apperances.

Cousine/Valentine Suk


Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 17:19:48 EDT
From:         Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject:      The Weight Thing

 I was simply defending myself against the negativity prevalent in
several posts which portrayed women who are in shape as "bimbos"
and discrediting them as actresses.
I take offense to those who denounce women in shape as "atypical".
Bite me.  I worked my ass off to look this good and several actresses
do too. Look at the routines of Demi Moore or Madonna.
Frankly, I am tired of this backlash and the jealousies of
women "whose priorities are different" than mine.  I have felt the
singe of unwarranted jealousy before from people: women who
don't even know me.
If you don't wish to be picked on, don't pick on others.  This
would have never started if someone hadn't regulated all fit
women into the "hollywood" archetype.
So, I personally hope Demi Moore gets the role.  I think she'd
be a fine Nat.
your cousin
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 17:55:09 -0400
From:         Marf Shopmyer <aa108460@d.......>
Subject:      Re: Blu M. on TV now!

On Tue, 28 May 1996, Arletta Asbury wrote:

> >>(9:30-11) in "Breaking Point".  It looks like he's playing
> >>a police captain here too.
> If I'm not mistaken, before being a police captain, Blu was
> one of the police officers shooting at Richard Dryfuss in
> the movie Another Stakeout.
And he's in the little known academy award nominated short from the
1980's, Rainbow War.  Nice movie for kids, adult appeal also.  See if you
can spot his slightly less rotund self.
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 17:04:17 -0500
From:         April Ruskin <aruskin@e.......>
Subject:      YKYB...


My work is having a spagetti supper tonight, and they set out a
bunch of green wine bottles with candles in them. I took one look,
and thought 'I wonder how much blood those would contain?'

Gotta go before the men in white notice I'm missing from my room!!

Cousin April -- The Ninja Babe with an Attitude*aruskin@e.......
SKLer*CSS*Member Unnamed Faction*Cousin Mommy to the Cousin Kids*
Follower of the X*Empress of the Ellipses*Member of LK Denial Faction*
Woman who can find story ideas in almost ANYTHING!
"Cow's blood tastes like manure in a bottle!" - Cousin Kid Blake
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 17:17:50 -0500
From:         TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject:      Re: The Weight Thing

Tanya wrote:

> I was simply defending myself against the negativity prevalent in
>several posts which portrayed women who are in shape as "bimbos"
>and discrediting them as actresses.

Tanya, there is never any need to defend one's self unless a personal attack
is being made, and I don't recall one single post (prior to yours, anyway)
that said anything negative about YOU personally.

I also don't recall anyone using the word "bimbo" to describe thin people.
If you can show me in a post quote, please do.  I would really like to

The point is, the comments being made originally about Nat's weight were
about NAT'S weight.  A character.  Some people liked Nat's figure, and said
so.  They had every right to, it's their personal opinion.  If people get
upset at you personally now, it's because you made comments about the
*actress* rather than the character, and about the *list* members.

It is acceptable to disagree with people's opinions; it is not, IMO,
acceptable to denegrate people personally and publicly.

Let's all try to keep this above-board and mature.

>If you don't wish to be picked on, don't pick on others.

This sounds like sound advice.  Please follow it.

Wicked Cousin Tippi, dollar bill wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Founding Member of the Unnamed Faction*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*
"We have a very special relationship." - LC to NK, NiQ
Wickedness Site!  http://www.netcom.com/~tippinb/wicked.html
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 18:29:00 EDT
From:         L M <LMS5@p.......>
Subject:      Temporary Condition

Since so many people feel that they need to slide the last word in on the
weight issue, I decided to alter the list header.. for now. All posts should
be forwarded, by the listserver, to my mailbox. From there I will forward all
posts that are NOT in response to the weight issue to the list.

Tomorrow morning I will change the list headers back to normal.

Laurie - List GOD.
Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 18:49:00 EDT
From:         L M <LMS5@p.......>
Subject:      test

Date:         Tue, 28 May 1996 18:55:00 EDT
From:         L M <LMS5@p.......>
Subject:      testing

test.. ignore this..
Date:         Thu, 30 May 1996 06:58:43 -0400
From:         Lillian Feden <feden@m.......>
Subject:      No relevant conversations?

Am I to assume that nobody has posted anything other than a rebuttal to the
inconsiderate post on weight, so there has been no digest?  Or has Laurie
gotten inundated with complaints and hasn't had a chance to release the list?

Is this post going to make it to the list?

Am I being too cynical?

feden@m.......                      http://www.mcs.com/~feden
Pragmatic Knightie; IB; MBDtK; PGEB (hormones took over)
Fourth L on the right, contemplating the existence of intelligent
  life in the broadcast executive offices
Date:         Thu, 30 May 1996 01:59:28 -0400
From:         Stephanie Way <Biancaswan@a.......>
Subject:      recycle props

I was watching "Dark Knight" the other night and noticed a half done painting
of the sun that also appeared in "Ashes to Ashes". Talk about recycling
  Gasp! I hope that DOESN'T qualify as a spoiler.

Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 20:08:00 -0500
From:         "Stormsinger/J.S. Levin" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Weight a minute!

At 11:00 AM 05/28/1996 -0800, Barbara (Muldy Sculler) wrote:
>Thank you--I was just weighting for your permission to live my life as a
>person who does not buy into damaging sizist bias.  If you wish to
>interpret this as a flame fine, however, I find your smarmy condescension
>offensive in the extreme.

Whooh!  Where did this come from and who is it aimed at?  It's *flaming*!

Date:         Thu, 30 May 1996 10:52:02 +1000
From:         MARY YOUNG <md.young@s.......>
Subject:      Weight thang

I have just read all these horrible letters on weight and Catherine Disher
Please please have some more maturity
this list is a nice friendly list and at teh moment it sounds awful
Do not comment on any actors weight it can make them very upset
Also please do not argue on list do it privatly.
Anyhow on to topics
MOO members unite we are the latest faction to be added and we love nicks
fridge contents
Imagine a guided tour through nicks fridge. wow wouldnt that be fun!!
Oh well must go
Janettes Fangs
Mary Young
Ravenette. Immortal Beloved, Dark Knightie, Closet Natpacker,and Cousins
of the night, and MOO member
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 19:20:38 -0500
From:         "Stormsinger/J.S. Levin" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject:      Re: a Comment on Weight

Tippi replied to Tanya:

>People's reasons for liking a ... fluffier... Nat are just as valid as your
>liking a fitter trimmer Nat.  Personally, I don't care one way or the other.
>But for you to flame both Catherine and the list because you don't agree
>with their personal philosophies is unfortunate.

Thanks, Tippi, from me.  And heartfelt thanks also to Moonlight, for a more
lengthly reply with some, er, real "weight" behind it.

Personally, I felt like I had been slapped -- and I pray that CD isn't a
lurker on the list, or if she is, that she understands that that was *one*
person's opinion.

Tanya, I'm so glad you've got the time to be a bodybuilder.  I'm glad you
are happy with yourself and what you do.  But please, cut some slack to the
rest of the world.  Bodybuilders are no more "normal" than anyone else.  And
we who are still in the process of working out our relationships with
ourselves are no less.

"Fat" is not automatically "ugly" or "bad".  "Thin" or "fit" are not
automatically "good" or "attractive".   Neither will ultimately determine
how long, or how well, we live.

As for Natalie, IMNSHO, she's eminently huggable.  And Nick should do it
more often.  It would be good for both of them.

Presently residing in a cave in the Valley of Kings with Emerson and

Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 19:49:06 -0600
From:         Sara Jubelirer <efery@i.......>
Subject:      Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 27 May 1996

Escuse my obliviousness, I know this question has probably been
asked a couple hundred times already, but I'm a newbie and no one where
I live knows of the Forever Knight sound track comming out.
   Anyone know where I can find it?  I've already looked in all of the
music stores, but I can't seem to find it.
Performed by?
***PLEASE*** Somebody respond!! Everyone says it's so good, and I can't
even find it!!! Help!!!

Efery, Cousin in Training
"It's not that I'm afraid to die... I just don't want
to be there when it happens."  --Woody Allen
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 15:40:08 -0400
From:         Bast Khemet <bast@c.......>
Subject:      Re: OK, it's ours -- The Virtual Season

Woo hoo!  I like the idea myself!

Date:         Thu, 30 May 1996 08:40:39 -0400
From:         Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject:      Re: Those 3 Little Words

Oh, I forgot to mention that Nick calls Emily Weiss in STF, 'my love'.

Carrie, Slovenly Knightie AKA Carrie the Cruel
It's hard to judge someone when you're blinded by your love for them.
--Mother Teresa
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 15:07:45 -0400
From:         "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject:      MediaWest Stuff -- Final

Final--more-or less-MediaWest Report.

No hotel problems this time, just air delays to and from the con.

The gentleman selling cool FK bumper stickers and such can be found at
http://www.bab.com/pegasus.  I think his name was Scott from Pegasus

Picked up copies of Good Guys Wear Fangs #3, On the Wings of Night #2, and A
Touch of Forever.  Never got around to picking up a copy of "The Serpent's
Kiss" by Marg, but I'll catch up with it eventually.

As for the rest of the con; Web-Goddess Jamie was attached by a plate of
onion rings, there is suspicion of Lurker involvement in the certain abuse
and blackmailing of Maureen's Natalie Lambear, Pericles was present at the
dealer's room and much of the party although he kept guard in the hall while
several people were NOT so quietly reading the blooper script, and you
haven't lived until you've heard Joan of Arc with a Brooklyn accent.  Trust
me on this.

It was wonderful meeting active and lurking list-members.  So nice to put
the faces to e-mail names.

Am trying to consolidate the AOL account mail with my regular mail, so give
me a bit of time to reply.

susang@v.......  -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
"This is the Hour of Lead, remembered, if outlived,
as a freezing person recollects the cold,
first the chill, then stupor, and then the letting go."
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 11:34:33 -0700
From:         Antonia Spadafina <asginger@i.......>
Subject:      A few items...

Hi all---

    Just a few items...

1)  Did anyone ever respond to where the FIC archives have got to?
Please reply private as I am digest and may miss it.  Thanks...
2)  Got my copy of the FK CD.  Wow!  The music is graet, especially the
Suite from QoH.  Does anyone know if the same person is singing in the
ep as on the CD?  The song sounds a bit different.

3)  I wasn't going to add my two cents about the "appearance" mini-war
going on, thinking that perhaps I shouldn't add any *more* fuel to the
fire - but here goes anyway...
I thought this list was a family.  Now that the series is gone, are we
disbanding our ties?  I've bragged to all my friends that the quality
of the people on this list is amazing.  I'd hate to use that adjective
in a negative sense, now.  Someone's appearance or weight or anything
is their own personal business, not open to flame by anyone else,
regadless of the been-there-done-that, "I've walked a mile in your
shoes" mentality.
Let me tell you a story, boys and girls...I have twelve years
experience in data processing.  I have designed major systems, one of
which is in use by an excess of 11,000 brokers every day.  Late last
year I went on an interview within my company to look at another group.
 The manager I spoke to asked me some questions, tho most were
irrelevant to my experience.  The entire time she was staring at the
part of my appearance that is, I admit, startling to some people.  I am
-what is the politically correct term? - physically challenged (tho' I
have never felt the label is correct).  Her question to an established
member of the company community with evidence of successful designs and
12 years of experience was:  "How do you manage with only half a hand?"
I replied to her:  "Obviously better than you do with only half a
So I understand what it is like to be visually vivisected.  Not at all
what an intelligent being should be caught doing.  Human nature, you
say?  Overcome it, I say.  A person is like the leaves of a book.  Each
one singly gives little indication of the depth and value of that
person.  Only by taking the measure of each and every page as a whole
can a person be appreciated and understood.

Two cents?  Well, maybe more like .50.  Take my story for what it's
worth.  Life is too short to waste it on criticizing others.  "To thine
own self be true" as Alexander Pope wrote.

Bye all,
Knightie from NYC (who could have made a really great pirate!!)
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 11:09:25 -0700
From:         Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Name Questions

Hi all,
Don't worry about my name questions. While the list was being held, I
discovered the episode guide on Jasmine's web page and got the answers
from there. For all those who may post the answers to my query befre they
see this message, thank you.

Until next time,
Raissa Devereux
I've got places to go, people to dissect.- Natalie Lambert
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 08:08:00 PT
From:         Tami Lafrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Subject:      YKYB

talking too much about Forever Knight when.....
your mother's latest art project has a lot of turquoise in it and
she keeps calling it 'Nick-caddy green'. It really is a very greenish
turquoise. And my Mom has only seen the show about 3 times. She doesn't
like Sci-fi/fantasy shows, stories, etc.

BTW, even the teacher and the rest of the art class are referring to the
color that way too. And now my mom is collecting fr*g things for me. :-)
Can't wait to show some of the collection to Scotty in June. <vbg>

Tami LaFrank                   : TCL58@a....... or TCL20@a.......
Ravenette, IB, MSBtk, McGregor (I am *NOT* a Bunnie.), Mai Tai Mistress
                               : Owner: Sacred Raven Health Spa
We have enough youth, how about: "Come in, relax. We're dying
a fountain of *smart*?         :     to prolong your life"
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 10:08:36 -0400
From:         Nancy Fralic <fralic@m.......>
Subject:      Gary Farmer Movie/BB1

Evidently in BB1, we have another example of Nick being able to "sip"
without "going all the way" so to speak.  When he meets the woman with
the Black Buddha, she opens her wrist for him but he takes only a taste.
This couldn't be an example of lingering over your dinner, he was not
killing for food supposedly.  How could he do it?  For that matter, he
couldn't be drinking animal blood on the Titanic - how could he have
shipped enough and preserved it long enough to make that long a trip?  He
couldn't have brought a cow on board could he? ;)  If he was not killing
for food, how did he survive the trip except by sipping?  If he was not
eating at all, how could he be the gentleman at leisure among the
passengers without vamping out?

As to the Gary Farmer movie - one of our local PBS stations showed
"PowWow Highway", a film from 1988, over the weekend.  It only caught my
eye in the listings from the Post Gazette because they listed A Martinez
as the star and I follow his acting.  Actually the two of them drive
together through the West in a beat-up old car; they are friends from the
Cheyenne reservation, Martinez, the militant, and Farmer, the simple man
trying to follow the way to earning his warrior name.  GF was _excellent_
although his nude scene showed me a little more of him than I ever wanted
to know!  A wonderful independent film!

Nancy Fralic
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 08:10:03 -0500
From:         TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject:      Snail Mail for TV Show Stuff

Hey all!

Anne Marion just sent me TV Show Stuff's snail mail address.  If you know
people who want FK stuff but don't have access to a computer, give them this

575 Country Club Drive
Suite C-115
WR-Simi Valley, Calif 93065

I'm going to send her a Thank You card for the help she's been.

As EEK the Cat always says, "It never hurts to help!"

Wicked Cousin Tippi, dollar bill wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Founding Member of the Unnamed Faction*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*
"We have a very special relationship." - LC to NK, NiQ
Wickedness Site!  http://www.netcom.com/~tippinb/wicked.html
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 07:05:46 -0400
From:         Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject:      Lots and lots of things!!!!

  Hello everyone!!!  Okay, there are three things I need to address.  The
first, is that if anyone has it, I'm missing 2 eps that I thought I had.
 (What else is new?  You think you have them all, till you get a list of all
the eps, and then....) Those eps are Queen of Harps, and Father Figure.  I
might be missing more, <groan> but those 2 are the ones that I know about.
 If anyone can help me I would SO much appreciate it!!!
  Unrelated matter--According to my rather disorganized records all have
received the Nightcrawler tape, with the exception of Max whose e-mail
address starts with pearl I think.  His tape I sent out and then it bounced
back today, saying he doesn't exist. (Max, take the hint and please e-mail
me!!!)  Now, if you ordered it and haven't received it than I am VERY VERY
sorry.  Please e-mail me,  and I'll send it out to you!!!
  One last thing--Diane DeSha (sp?) please e-mail me.  Why?  I sent you the
wrong version!!!  I just realized that when I was looking for the 1st
version, I couldn't find it anywhere!  I'm almost positive I sent it to you,
and that's TERRIBLE, because that version is TERRIBLE.  Sorry to bug the list
with SO many unrelated matters.  My humblest apologies at the waste of

Ravenette, Immortal Beloved,
Seducer, Cousin, Dark Knightie,
Valentine, Unnamed Faction
(or just a Die-Hard when it comes
to romantic couples!)--Janette92@a.......
Date:         Wed, 29 May 1996 07:50:36 GMT
From:         Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@n.......>
Subject:      ADMIN: LIST RULES and MediaWest

The following is posted with the Tasty Crayon Stamp of Approval.  It is
also an Authorized Asst. Listownerly Crosspost.  Do Not Try This At Home.

Infractions of listrules will henceforth (and retroactively) be handled as

First Offense: set to "nopost"
Second Offense: set to "nomail"
Third Offense: well, figure it out

The people who have the authority to determine when and whether and for how
long such a "time out" will be imposed are:

Our Listowner, Jaye (jap8@c.......)
Asst. Listowner, Laurie (lms5@p.......)
Other Asst. Listowner, Me (immajer@p....... or

Such judgements are, as always, subject to off-list discussion and
appeal... but not defiance.   ;-)

It has never been the policy of these lists to repress creative thought.
However, it has ALWAYS been a tradition that in this playground, We Play
Nicely.  Or we do not play.

'Nuff said.

And how was MediaWest?  Very very very nice, thank you.  I stayed up far
too late and ate far too much and did the Natpack Total Immersion thing;
and I had a bitchin' party, and got to be Paramedic #1 (twice!) and Susan
and Ann winning the Fan-Q's was a happy happy thing!  and Diane had
CHOCOLATE, oh what a lovely thing to have people bring you chocolate, and
neat badges in the middle of the night, thank you Mo'!  and the room was
GREEN, and there were people in the halls, and Ribena with cherry brandy,
"here, hold this -- be careful, it's red" and hordes of Natpackers in
scrubs and labcoats, and hugging everyone at least three times a day, and
selling zines! and buying zines! and neat buttons that blink... and I wish
every day could be MediaWest, I really do, but right now I need sleep.

And a mannerly, well-behaved list.  If you would. :-)

It's good to be back.  (I think...)

 -:-:-:-:- Jamie M.R. <immajer@n.......> -:-:-:-:-
 Asst. Listowner, The Smoking Natpacker, ConvCoS, NDNEDnik
-->>> Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies <<<--
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