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Logfile LOG9604A Part 10

April 3, 1996

File: "FORKNI-L LOG9604A" Part 10

	Dread, the disgraced
	That People Poll
	The Haven?!  Arg...
	FK Continuity, etc.
	Melrose Place meets The Godfather with Fangs
	Kindling: The Disgraced
	MediaWest panel?
	Newbie Questions
	San Francisco
	The Future is on Sci-Fi
	Review of Kindred (on-topic... bear with me)
	That Other Show
	The care and feeding of the carouche
	It's DONE!
	Kindred: The Embraced
	Getting People's E-Mail Addresses
	Voting; that Other Show
	Pretty quiet
	REVIEW: "Kindred" pilot vs. "Dark Knight"
	TV Guide
	Is it Quiet?
	Has this happened to anyone else?
	FK flyer
	Kindling: The Disgraced
	Review of Spelling's Surprise! (puke)

Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:51:09 EST
From:         Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject:	Dread, the disgraced
Summary of this show:
Plot: ok, but predictable
Characters: flat as hell.  No depth like Nick.  No smart-ass cynical
philosophers like Lecroix.  Main character looks like Tommy Lee Howell.  You
have to hate him because his rage against the head vampire (Luna) is really an
unjustified obsession.  Luna has never done anything bad against the main
character who, in my humble opinion, is wrought with madness from the beginning.
They are trying to establish an Elliot Ness vs Capone relationship that doesn't
happen, becuase the viewer really hates Ness and  likes Capone.
Scenery: Above average.  Traditional bad vampires wear black; good vampires wear
white; mortals becoming vampires wear cream.  All good people have blonde hari,
all bad people have dark hair.  Sounds like Hitler, doesn't it?
   Lurch shows up outta no where.  You gotta see this guy.  Head dude looks like
   Eddie Munster grown up.  At least Nick and Lecroix both have blonde hair.

One word: superficial.
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 06:33:00 CST
From:         Jill Kirby <jtkirby@m.......>
Subject:      That People Poll

If you'd like to vote in the People "Most Beautiful People" poll, but don't
have Web access, you can send your choices to me and I'll vote for you.  I
just need your top five choices, your name, and your email address.  If you
have multiple email addresses, great!  I'll submit your votes for all.

This offer only applies, of course, if most (or all!) of your top five votes
go to FK actors.  <G>

Please put "People Votes" or something like that in your header...

Jill Kirby - jtkirby@m....... - http://www.mcs.net/~jtkirby/
          NatPack  :  AB,CoS  :  Box o'Puppies
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:31:36 -0330
From:         Ngaire Genge <ngenge@n.......>
Subject:      The Haven?!  Arg...

Hi All,

Whatever you want to call It, I wandered about their Web site this
morning looking for a feedback link, only to discover...  The Kindred's
favorite haunt, run by the local "siren" type character?  The _H_aven!
My nerves!

Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:59:14 -0500
From:         Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject:      Re: FK Continuity, etc.

At 08:36 AM 4/2/96 -0500, Matthew F Funke wrote:

>     But if Screed *is* a carouche, why did they bother shrouding the
>carouche that brought Perry across in all this mystery?  Are there levels
>of carouche, depending on the animal on which one chooses to feed?

They shrouded the carouche that brought Perry across for purely financial
reasons.  If they'd shown more of him, they would have had to pay him more.
The guy whose arms you see punching out of the ground was one of the special
effects folks who worked on the set.

Jane   (janes@i.......)
Raven ** Immortal Beloved
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 04:35:08 0800
From:         Dann Lunsford <dann@g.......>
Subject:      Melrose Place meets The Godfather with Fangs

Last night, I was a victim in a crime of unprecedented magnitude.  I
refer, of course, to the robbery of 1.5 hours of my lifetime by Aaron
Spelling, et al., in the form of the latest abomination, "Kindred:
The Embraced".  Spelling is, by the evidence, so completely bereft of
originality that I am almost tempted to feel pity for him,  Almost.

I believe my subject line adequately covers my impressions, in a
nutshell.  Perhaps "Peyton Place meets The Godfather with Fangs" would
be even more accurate.  Perhaps had I played the White Wolf game, it
would have made more sense.  As it is, I was left with a simple feeling
of *rage* that this should have pushed out "Forever Knight".

I'm writing this just before I leave for work, so I don't have much time.
I will expand on this later.  For the first time, I wish we were a
Neilson point.

* Dann Lunsford    * The only thing necessary for the triunph of evil *
* dann@g....... * is that men of good will do nothing.  --  Cicero *
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:05:26 CST
From:         Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject:      Kindling: The Disgraced

My dear friend Susan wrote:

FO>Yes, yes, yes, I know.  I've already ranted about that lump of festering
FO>bloody pus on film not fit for FK to vomit on, but I'm still ANGRY.  My mom

Well, as much as I didn't like the show, I have to say that mayhaps we
shouldn't flame it?  I mean, yes, I WANT to take a blowtorch to it and
flame it down to a pile of vampiric ashes.  But (there's always a butt,
er, but) I think the no-flaming rule might even apply to this... this...
TV show.

But no one said anything against constructive criticism, right? ;)

Methinks that this show will not last simply because it cuts off its own
potential audience.  Whereas Forever Knight embraces (no pun intended)
both its potential audiences (1. the people who watch because they like
vampires and 2. the people who watch because they don't like vampires
but they like the good vs. evil aspect), this Other Show turns OFF both
its audiences.  How?  1. People who play Vampire won't like the changes
and 2. the people who don't play Vampire won't know what the hell is
going on.

A private message to Mr. Spelling: put your bucks behind Forever Knight!
 Now!  Before it's too late!

There. :)

I swear that'll be the LAST breath of air I give to the Other Show.

Wicked Cousin Tippi
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)
Join The Thong Throng!  It's cheap, it's easy, it tastes like grape!
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:13:27 -0500
From:         "Nancy M. Duemling" <nancyd@p.......>
Subject:      MediaWest panel?

A while back someone posted about getting together a panel to
introduce folks at MediaWest con to FK.  Would that person please get
in touch with me?

Returning you now to the list.

Nancy D., Knightie and DueSer (nancyd@p.......)
   Visit our web site at http://www.msen.com/~duemling/
Nick Knight, Benton Fraser, Ray Vecchio and Brisco County, Jr.
   What is it with me and law abiding guys???
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:22:16 EST
From:         Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject:      Newbie Questions

I apologize for being so ignorant in this manner, but because I have not yet
learned the vampirical jargon, I fail to comprehend 90% of the mail I am
Could someone please define the following:
Carouche--I gather it is a vampire who likes to drink animal's blood.  Does
motivation, then, determine whether one is a carouche?  Or is it the actual
action--which one drinks--that determines whether one is a carouche?
Screed--a character no doubt.  One that I have missed.  Since this show is not
US friendly--ie nobody promotes it, etc, down here--I missed a great deal of
episodes.  A summary, anyone?
Vacron--another character, no doubt.
Spoiler--a list term, I gather, but still have no clue in what context it is
Thanks again, and pardon my ignorance
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:32:18 EST
From:         Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject:      San Francisco

So The Other Show is set in San Francisco? Now, that's ironic. I'm told
by someone who's seen the original script for Nick Knight as a tv movie
that originally it was set in San Francisco.

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:07:44 -0600
From:         Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject:      Re: The Future is on Sci-Fi

Sandra said,
>I'm not even sure the first two seasons would need to be discussed
>on the spoiler list.  Until now, the policy has been that they
>could be discussed here.

After reading Sandra's post, I thought I better clarify mine. I was
suggesting using the (soon to be former) Spoiler list for discussing
episodes when they air on Sci-Fi, and using the FORKNI-L list for
discussion of _all_ the episodes, and anything else related to Forever

Margie Hammet (treeleaf@i.......)
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:00:16 -0600
From:         "Heather Rigby (Goldeneyes)" <Z_RIGBYHA@t.......>
Subject:      Re: Review of Kindred (on-topic... bear with me)

>The show isn't perfect by far.  There are several things I have problems with
>(Ventrue with Protean?!) but I still think it was a good show that, if viewed
>objectively, without comparision to FK, could be entertaining.  I would never
>renounce FK for Kindred EVER!!!  I like them both, but I like them both for
>very different reasons.

Okay, I can swallow the "both for different reasons" bit.  I can even swallow
vampiric clan members having abilites from other clans, I _really_ like how
Forever Knight doesn't have clans, of any sort.  My problems surface from
how the show could't even stick to the information in the book!

>Stake away... the sun rises soon.

That reminds me of my biggest beef with Kindling, Vamps in the sunlight?!
I _really, really_ prefer FK's much more realistic approach to this aspect
of this, instant sunburn if in the light for more than a second.  I'm watching
this *thing* with, admittedly, not very high hopes, but the opening scene is
of vampires staking a vampire on a rooftop in broad daylight!  It isn't even
overcast!  And it takes this guy a full minute or more to go up in flames!
AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And they are cancelling
Forever Knight, with wonderful characterization and acting, for _this_

Only one thing can save Kindling.  AHHRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! If you're going
to do Vampires from World of Darkness, you need the "religious fanatics",
the Werewolves. Can we say, "Gehenna"?  If they wanted to do the Forever
Knight thing, the contact lenses(which has no basis in the game), the "Haven",
the Vampire cop, dot dot dot, yadda yadda yadda, why didn't they just keep
Forever Knight?!

I want my Forever Knight!!!

>Straying from your mind into your left shoulder, just coz I can,
>The "New and Improved" L'Phantom
>Now a Cousin in full standing!
>Help Save Forever Knight!  Ask me how!  jrarmstr@b.......

Heather (Goldeneyes)
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:38:38 +0100
From:         "Kennedy, Jean" <jkennedy@m.......>
Subject:      Re: That Other Show

OK, I confess: I watched. But I gotta say it was disappointing at best, and no
substitute for FK. {Can you say: Rrriiiiiiiip! I knew you could.}

What was good: the contact lenses (very cool - the kind they should have used
in Interview with the Vampire instead of those Master Po things), makeup,
effects, the Nosferatu (Jeff Kober: great casting).

What was bad: almost everything else: the dialogue, the acting, the hair gel,
the name of the bar (Haven). It was sloooowwww and the writing was cliched
(read an acute accent over that e). I don't think C. Thomas Howell has what it
takes to carry the lead the way Ger does. It might just be the writing, but
Howell came off as a weak supporting player.

Mark Frankel is well cast as Luna, the 'prince,' although Luna doesn't seem
very princely to me. He doesn't convey much power or authority or sensuality,
although he does have a certain grace. (Then again, the Prince of Wales lacks
all of those qualities.) All I could think was, Luna could use some lessons
from our Uncle.

Somehow it made me feel the loss of FK that much more keenly.  :~(

Cousin Jean <jkennedy@t.......>
"Would that she were a less annoying woman." - LaCroix
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:24:28 -0500
From:         "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject:      The care and feeding of the carouche

It has been my understanding that carouches are different from other
vampires in that they are either brought across by other carouches or prefer
to feed on animals (not as a matter of guilt, like Nick, or because there's
nothing else available) because they prefer the taste of animal blood to
human blood.  The 'first hunger' comments in 'Fever' lead me to assume that
your first official non-vampire feeding helps to determine your personal
'tastes.'  Which means that LaCroix <could> have brought Raleigh across, but
the thought of voluntarily drinking dog's blood, even to torment Nicholas,
was just too stomach-churning to consider.  One has one's standards, after all.

There's a possibility that the act of feeding from animal blood emphasizes
less civilized hunting instincts.  For example, vampires in society must be
at their best to attact and hold prey--thus explaining the body's tendency
to heal itself, their strength, their youth--but must also establish and
maintain a veneer of civilization to live and hide amongst mortals.
Carouches have no such constraints and can give way to baser
instincts--let's face it, rats don't care whether you brush your teeth, wash
your clothes, or follow any regimen of personal hygiene. The lower-caste
status may have come about because vampires that fed from animals tended to
spend more time in wild, uncivilized areas and weren't used to blending in
amongst the upper echelons of mortal society.

Then there's the possibility that feeding solely from animals weakens the
vampire's ability to maintain the (pardon the use of the term) masquerade
among mortals (which may explain why Nick's diet of cow blood may be part of
the reason he can't manage the control that he would like, why the demon
found him easy to take over, etc.).  We've seen that control of the 'killer'
instinct varies from vampire to vampire; perhaps feeding from animal blood
weakens the ability to control that instinct.  Thus carouches in civilized
areas would keep to the shadows because they would present a danger of
exposure for the other vampires, due to their inability to control
themselves in polite society.

Of course, vampires being mortal nature magnified, there's also a
possibility that any and all of the above have led to a tendency among those
clean, well-bred vampires to look down upon their smelly, unkempt ratboy
brethren.  It would, after all, only be human nature.

So you can have arguments regarding nature, nurture, and social convention.

For a nonsensical fictional view on the idea of the 'carouche,' I posted a
story for Lisa's birthday earlier this year.  Can't remember the name of it,
but there you are.

susang@v....... -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
Faithful Ravenette, because somebody STILL has to.
Discover the power of Forever Knight at
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:55:00 EST
From:         "Laurie M. Salopek" <LMS5@p.......>
Subject:      It's DONE!

After several months... "Memories" is finally DONE!

I'm a happy camper :-)

I will put it on the ftp site later today in fkgifs/Fan_Art

Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:11:49 EST
From:         "Sharon L. Clark" <SLCLAR00@u.......>

The only thing I can say is I *WANT* my FK back for another season.

I watched the Other Show last night & it was a Spelling show alright. I had a
few special effects liked - the eyes were great. When I first heard about
the premise of Kindred - it sounded alot like a made for TV Vampire movie
made in the 1980's. No, it was not Nick Knight. The movie I saw then (before
I owned a VCR) it had the elements of clan or families & how they functioned
& lived in the normal world. It may have been made to be a series that
didn't fly. Does anyone know what that movies was?

Feel free to reponsed at the email Address: slclar00@u.......

Sharon C.
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:51:37 -0500
From:         Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject:      Apology

I guess I should apologize again for my last story. I have written one type
of story so far. Then this last one. Well, besides trying to determine for
myself whether or not I had any breadth, I just felt sad. So I wrote a sad
story. Again, I'm sorry for depressing any of you. Sometimes it just helps to
share how you feel. I guess we all have felt a little morose lately.

Proud Knightie who had been angsting in public lately
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:19:01 -0400
From:         Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject:      Kindred: The Embraced

I ended up doing ballot counting last night for the Student Council
Elections at UNB until 2:30am - got home about 15 minutes later, and
popped in my tape of the Kindred.

Needless to say, I turned it off less than twenty minutes into the show
(and the reason wasn't that I was tired [although I was]) because it was
really bad. I mean I'd take a mediocre ep. of FK (Hell, I'll even take
"Fatal Mistake" with Alexandra the Dingbat Barmaid ep) over another ep. of
The Kindred. (Which incidently FM is on tonight on ATV (here in Atlantic
Canada) @ 11:00pm.

The acting was poor. I mean you've got nobody there that can do a scene
like the way Ger, Cath & Nigel do a scene. Like that which was previously
mentioned, there is no subtext in K:tE. It's all out in the open, and it's
not that great. The dialogue was laughable (not in a good sense).

The FK people look very real, feel very real. They are people you could
identify with (re: our factions). I found the characters in K:tE to be
rather fake, dull, unimaginative, and too modelish.

Now perhaps 20 minutes is not a significant timeline in which to gauge a
whole character, and the storyline. However, if a show doesn't interest me
in the first few minutes that I see, there's a 98% chance I won't watch it
again. I know there are people who are going to say "look, you'll miss
some good things," but I really can't see it in this instance.

Lynn Stapleton
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:52:00 EST
From:         "Laurie M. Salopek" <LMS5@p.......>
Subject:      Memories

Is on the FTP site.

It is 24bit color and 1.1Meg tif with lzw compression. Height is 800 pixels so
the width is about 600 (it's vertical).


ftp to ftp.cac.psu.edu (anonymous log in)

change directory to  pub/people/lms5/fkgifs/Fan_Art

download it binary and have fun!

This image is free for distribution as long as it is NOT use for making a


ps. Almost forgot.. "Memories" is a tribute to Janette and the Raven.
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:21:20 -0500
From:         "Gaylin J. Walli" <gjwalli@m.......>
Subject:      Getting People's E-Mail Addresses

At the request of the Ast. ListMom, I'm posting some information to
help people who are having trouble with mail. Since personal e-mail,
even messages pertaining to "I'm having trouble getting a hold of
so-and-so" are highly frowned up because of the high volume of list
traffice, I've put together a coupld of thing that should help people
out a bit.

SAVE THIS MAIL. Copy it into a file. Save it in a separate mailbox.
Do something so that you have this available for reference.

If for some reason you've been trying to get a hold of a list
member and your mail is bouncing or perhaps not being received,
there are a couple of things you can do to find out what's wrong.

If you're absolutely sure what their e-mail address is supposed
to be, then check your Sent Mail folder to see that you've been typing
the correct address on messages you've sent. Don't know what a Sent Mail
folder is? Ask you're local system administrator for help. That's their
job and if they give you grief about this, then send them to me and I'll
remind them.

If you're not sure what their e-mail address is supposed to
be *don't* ask the list at large. Find a buddy on the list and ask them
via private e-mail. Are they in a faction? Ask one of those members.
have you checked your archives of the list mail for a message this
person might have sent at another time?

If you're still not sure what their e-mail address is, get a
list of the unconcealed subscribers by sending the message

        To: listerv@p.......

        review forkni-l

(or fkfic-l or fkpoilr, depending on which list you wish to check).
This command send you technical information about the list you're
asking about, as well as the list of unconcealed subscribers. But be
prepared, it's a long long long list.

If you're sure the e-mail address is correct and you're
still not sure if you're mail is being received, ask you're local
system administrator to teach you how to set your mail package to
send you what's often called a "confirmation". This is known by different
names, depending on the e-mail package. What you're aiming for is the
function that sends you an automatic confirmation that the recipient of your
mail has read (or at least received in their in-box) your mail.

Barring these options, there are very few other things you can do.

Ask yourself if this person is *trying* to stay anonymous. Wait a day
or so before you start to panic about not being able to get a hold of
someone. Believe it or not, some people don't have their e-mail open all
time like Cousin Jamie and I do. (I can hear some of you gasping; yes,
it's true.) Or perhaps there's a real-time computer problem at their
site or somewhere near their site that's delaying the mail (example:
Michigan Tech had a MAJOR disk crash of one of the main drives that
receives all the mail for the University, causing a multiple-day mail

I hope this helps you all. Enjoy, and if you have any questions, feel
free to mail me privately. I look forward to hearing you comments and
questions, but until then I remain,

Jasmine, Faithful Ravenette and still a natural brunette
gjwalli@m.......   http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/fktoc.html

"No one should be allowed to walk around with that big of a blank spot in
their brain and expect *ME* to keep twiddling their Etch-a-Sketch mind when
all they does is shake it again." -- JCL
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:16:42 EST
From:         Lynne Levine <llevine@m.......>
Subject:      Voting; that Other Show

I just went and cast my vote for People's most beautiful people, voting
for Ger and Deb.  The computer told me I was "unique" in casting a vote
for Deborah Duchene, and that 0% of the net agreed with me.  So, Ravenettes,
Immortal Beloveds, and anyone else who likes Deb, go vote for her!!!

I suffered through That Other Show last night...and it sure did make me
appreciate FK.  Fangless vampires?  No neck nibbling (that we got to
see, anyway...)  No sense of history whatsoever (the Prince was less than
200 years old?!? - LaCroix would laugh at the idea of a baby vampire
running a city), boring music, Ken and Barbie-like actors, appearance-wise.
During a commercial, there was a promo for another show about to start on
FOX, and the actors looked exactly the same as the ones on this one.  Feh!

FK is sensual, moody, funny, gothic, beautifully done visually (love
those camera angles).  Waaahhh!!!  We've got to get our show back, somehow.
Even the worst of 3rd season is far better than That Other Show.  I'll NEVER
complain about FK again (well, not much anyway...complaining is far too much
fun! <g>)

Lynne Levine
Ravenette and Immortal Beloved (as if you couldn't guess!)
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:54:18 -0800
From:         Jerimi Paul <paul9454@u.......>
Subject:      Pretty quiet

Is everyone still in shock from watching the OTHER show?  Anyways, I just
noticed that FK shows in Fox on saturdays.  I was just wondering if
anyone knew whether they will be continuing to do that once FK starts
showing on the SciFi channel.  Anyone?  Anyone?

It's so quiet out there.  I feel like I'm 12 again, and in the public

~~~Yesterday is today, tomorrow.~~~
Friendly Cousin, Sullen Knightie, Bewildered Vaquero, and Quite Possibly
Totally Out to Lunch Most of the Time.
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:13:10 -0500
From:         Dalton Spence <dalton.spence@f.......>
Subject:      REVIEW: "Kindred" pilot vs. "Dark Knight"

REMEMBER: Reviews are a matter of opinion. These are strictly mine.

It is said people should learn from their mistakes. If they're smart,
they also learn from the mistakes of others. Aaron Spelling obviously
had this in mind when he made the "Kindred" pilot that aired last night.
But strangely enough, the major problem that ""Dark Knight" had managed
to crop up in a slightly different form, an inevitability I suppose
given the basic premise.

What am I talking about, you ask? Remake Syndrome: any program based
extensively on another work (be it movie, book, or game) will almost
always seem inferior to the original. This effect becomes even more
pronounced when "slight modifications" are made to the basic premise of
the work to improve "marketablity"; the very people they hoped to make
their core audience (fans of the original work) will be confused and
offended by any changes to the "canon," even if these changes really ARE
improvements from an objective standpoint. Even the acting suffers, as
the actors realize they must make their characters fit the audience's

With "Dark Knight" the problem was severe, since both episodes were
simple rewrites/recastings of the original "Nick Knight" TV movie. There
were some story elements that would never be used on again (eg. Nick's
feeding of street people with his "decoy dinners"), if not completely
contradicted later, and others that became "canon" for the series. I've
often thought they would have been better off writing a whole new pilot
for the series, simply acknowledging the events of "Nick Knight" as part
of the history of Nick and Schanke (this was done very effectively with
the series "Alien Nation").

With the "Kindred" pilot, the problem was slightly different. There was no
TV movie to compare it to, but the script was severely overloaded with
references to White Wolf's "Vampire: The Masquerade" role playing game.
They tried to put too much information in a ninety minute TV movie. Two
hours would have been better, and a 2-part episode of 90 ninety minutes
each would have been best of all (the first part to introduce all of the
characters and concepts, and the second to set up the relationships). As
it was, there were far too many scenes revealing secrets that SHOULD have
been held back for later. I'm not even sure who I should be rooting for;
the prince or the cop. The bad guys, at least, are obvious, but the heros
are not.

I am only peripherally familiar with the setting, having read the GURPS
licensed adaptation of "Masquerade" but never played it. Thus, being
neither a total newbie OR a fan(atic), I managed to be offended on three
levels. As a dedicated TV viewer, I resent having to memorize an entire
social structure (with terminology) to enjoy a show that procedes at a
breakneck pace to an entirely predictable ending. As a gamer, I want
EVERYTHING in the game to be part of the series (an impossibility, I
admit) including the "world of darkness" atmosphere. On the third hand
(too much WotW again, I guess <eg>), as an FK fan (I DID TRY to keep an
open mind), I found each deviation from the standard vampire mythos very
distracting, as I tried to formulate my own series bible in my head. (I
did expect some of it, but NO FANGS?!? And a vampire transformed into a
WHITE WOLF?!? Give me a break!)

My overall impression: this pilot was designed by committee, and a very
nervous committee at that. I only hope that the series can transcend its
pilot, the way Forever Knight did. That way, even if I don't like it, I
can at least respect the effort.

Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc. <ag775@f.......>
Home Page: http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ag775/home.html
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:42:53 EST
From:         CINDY L BREWER <DHRC98C@p.......>
Subject:      TV Guide

Hi Guys,

Just saw in next week's tv guide that they are having a contest and someone
could become a Guest editor for a day.:-)
 (This is FK related,bare with me.<G>)

We all know TV Guide has barely ever mentioned FK and this may be a way to
get FK and the SOS effort on the front cover.<G> I figured with close to a
thousand people on this list one of us has pretty good odds at winning.:-)
Here's the info:

On a 3x5 card tell us what stories you would put in an issue of TV Guide if
you were Guest Editor (all in 100 words or less). Send your entry along
with a return address to TV Guide Guest Editor contest
p.o. box 706
Times square station
New York,NY 10108

All entries must be recieved by April 19.

OBFK: Could the person who offered to copy GWD's airwolf eps contact me? I
accidently deleted your letter in a massive cleaning spree.:-)

                         Cindy Brewer DHRC98C@p.......
                        Knightie,Nick&Natpacker,Optimist's club
                      "Oh pul--eze don't go strange on me."Schanke to Nick
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:46:03 EST
From:         Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject:      Is it Quiet?

I swear, I'm receiving NOTHING in my reader from any lists I'm on and I'm
beginning to wonder if there is anyone out there--has the cyberspace rapture
occurred and I'm the only one left?  If any of you have gotten any posts
since this morning please e-mail me and let me know.
If so, either my list server is down or my subscription is messed up.
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:16:29 -0500
From:         Lisa Knust <lmknus@m.......>
Subject:      Re: Has this happened to anyone else?

        Of course it has!  "Pay it no mind.  It happens to us
all."-Lestat in "Interview"(not exact quote mind you).
        Right now I am bouncing (Becky?) along on about 4 hours of
sleep.  I could go back to my room and take a nap...but no!  I'm in the
computer lab reading my e-mail.
        The greater horror is that my mother almost decided to send me to
summer school instead of buying me a computer (as a high school
graduation gift)!  I managed to beg, plead (yuck!) and promise to
show her all the pretty pictures and games and she gave in.  One small
step for me...

> >From someone who know - it only gets worse.
        "You're getting worse. -No I'm getting BETTER."-The Fly 2 (also not an
exact quote, of course!)  Why do I have all these movie quotes in my
        I'm sure all of this will come in handy on my French mid-term
tomorrow-"I believe that Phedre's frustration with Hippolyte's
unreciprocated love is the very same reason Nat has been so grumpy
towards Nick this season..."  I know, for those of you who know the play
(Phedre by Racine), it's not the same...but such is how my mind is
working at the moment.  :)
        Off to take that nap!

Lisa K.
"For the Blood is the Life..."
"C'est bien simple.  Il faut tuer." -LC
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:13:01 -0500
From:         "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject:      FK flyer

I've got a general information FK flyer that I make available to people to
take to cons and such.  The front has been updated to include the SOS-FK
information and addresses.  There are also fan club addresses on the front.
 The back has a guide to FK fandom online with instructions on how to get
on the internet mailing lists, how to find us on some major online
services, some www and ftp sites, etc.

It's a legal sized flyer with printing on both sides.  I usually invite
people to send me a SASE and I will send you a laser printed white copy of
the flyer.  I leave it up to people who request it to make copies to
distribute at cons.

If you're planning to attend a con in the near future and would like a copy
drop me email and I'll send you my address.

I will also check to see if I can't get a Word 6.0 copy of it up on an ftp
site somewhere.


P.S.  Before anyone asks, I will bring copies of the flyer to
MediaWest*Con.  Last year I think I brought 200 or so, and we ended up
having to make more at one point (thanks to Di Sudduth for that, BTW).

Sharon Himmanen * romana@p.......
NatPack * BotCoS * Keeper of the GopherGame
Natalie's B&B     http://members.aol.com/romana/natpage_stuff/natpack.htm
SOS-FK            http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:37:38 -0700
From:         Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Kindling: The Disgraced

Hi all, I didn't think much of the show either. It wasn't the vamp stuff I
minded or even the cheesy acting. It was the fact that it's a soap. And
yes, I know that as a soap Kindred would certainly offer much more
continuity and followup than fk has been known for. However, I don't care
enough about these characters for the followup to matter. I don't want to
see undead bedhopping. What we had of that in Blackwing & HoD was more
than I could take. Moreover, these fanged mob people would be fledglings
in the fk universe. Julian can't be more than 150 or 170 max if the date
on his wife's gravestone is what we were supposed to go by, and Alexandra
was born in a mine in 1876. Puleeeese. Spelling's writers have absolutely
no concept of time, whatsoever. 'Nuff said.

Raissa Devereux
Date:         Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:41:12 -0700
From:         Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject:      Re: Review of Spelling's Surprise! (puke)

could you please explain white wolf the game to me via private email. If
nothing else the show got me curious about it.

Raissa Devereux

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