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Digest - 25 Apr 1996

Thu, 25 Apr 1996

There are 16 messages totalling 474 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Sorry
  2. Email Address
  3. Quick question... (2)
  4. kinda FK-related; what is an FK annex? (3)
  5. More knowledge
  6. LaCroix/Fleur
  7. YKYB....
  8. the Newbie's question
  9. Spoiler?
 10. Various Topics
 11. Occupations
 12. LA Party, May 18th (definitely) & May 11th?
 13. YKYB... and FK Songs


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:24:22 -0500
From:    Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Sorry

I didn't realize that the flyer was that long! I would have spaced it, had I
realized that. I didn't see the bottome section becase of the large space.
My apologies for this.



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:54:00 EDT
From:    "L. M. Salopek" <LMS5@p.......>
Subject: Email Address

Please use the following email address for any correspondance you might have:




Use whichever is easiest to remember.

Thank You,
Laurie Salopek

PS.. PLEASE.. *DO NOT* use my AOL address. I rarely check my mail there.


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:13:17 -0700
From:    Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: Quick question...

On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Kris Culotta wrote:

> Just one question... I've only been here for a little while (the list,
> I mean.  How long I've been on this earth is a whole other subject...),

Howdy, and welcome! Always glad to welcome new blood to the list.

> but one thing I had to know is... in the opening credits, where _is_
> that amazingly cool tower?  I keep having strange dreams about it,
> and it's become the subject of lots of my drawings (although
> it fits in with the rest of my style...medieval/gothic stuff).

Uh, do you mean the CN Tower? What the tour books call the tallest
free-standing structure in North America (if not the world)? It's in
Toronto, and it IS pretty cool, isn't it? Definitely adds tremendously to
the ambience of the city, and seems to have become a real part of the
local identity (sorta like the Space Needle in Seattle--what is it about
towers, anyway?? <G>).

FK usually just uses it for scenery, but the penultimate scene of last
season's "Baby, Baby" actually takes place at the top of it. And I'll bet
many a member of the list at the "Shrewthering" this weekend will make a
pilgrimage to it.

Valery (not going to Toronto <<WAAAA!>>


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:18:20 -0700
From:    Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: kinda FK-related; what is an FK annex?

On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Tigon Diana Hooker wrote:

> > Lacroix, perhaps because he was never Christian, never could be damned
> >(although there is that church scene in AMPH -- Why oh Why could that not
> have >been kept?
> First of all...what church scene in AMPH?

There is a scene, written but never filmed, that has Lacroix going into a
church at the height of the asteroid madness, looking up at the cross
(pretty painful activity for a vampire, even one of Lacroix's great age),
and asking one question:


I asked Nigel at Anglicon the reason for leaving this out, and he said
they just ran out of time.



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:16:01 -0500
From:    Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: More knowledge

<egersdor@m.......> asked:

>I am looking for someone who knows more than I about The FK universe.
>Someone who has seen all the episode and who knows a little more than the
>rest of us about what the creators intended.

In between Doctor's vists, physical therapy 3x a week and the FK loop, I
have been trying (really I have!) to get the interview that I have with
James Parriott, FK's producer, written up.
It will give us some insight into FK's creation, JP's role as a producer,
Deb's leaving and his reaction to the SciFi Channel airrings.

I'm getting there! Should be done in the next few days and then I want to
run it by him for last minute clarification etc. For a lot of people, I'm
sure that some of the information will be old news, but since we did have
quite an influx of new people to the list, I hope that this will help to add
to their knowledge and understanding of FK.

So as not to take up any more room with another post, I just want to say
Bravo! to Lisa for her LaCroix post! You said in 2 paragraphs what it would
have taken me two pages to explain!


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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:38:24 -0500
From:    Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: LaCroix/Fleur

Stephanie wrote:

>Here's something I've been kicking around in my mind: Had LC brought Fleur
>across, would he have allowed her to become a powerful, remorseless killer
>like himself? Or would he have protected her, brought her blood to drink,
>kept her from the violence of the vampire life <SNIP>

I think that he would have nurtured her. I believe that it would be
important to him that she be self sufficient and be capable of making her
way, then, I think he would cater to her. Sounds contradictory,huh? Hmm,
well, its just that I believe its important to him that vampires be true to
their nature, therefore, he would teach her to hunt and probably enjoy
seeing her learn her craft.
Possibly picking her victims for her, etc. and then when he was sure that
she would be able to handle herself, he would "rein her in" so to speak,
lest she get too many independent ideas!



Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:47:50 -0400
From:    Tigon Diana Hooker <TeigrLlew@a.......>
Subject: Re: kinda FK-related; what is an FK annex?

In a message dated 96-04-25 06:34:22 EDT, you write:

>On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Tigon Diana Hooker <TeigrLlew@a.......> wrote:
>>Secondly, one wonders which of the Roman Gods LaCroix might have
>A large section of the Legion in late Empire (not sure how late, but I think
>this probably qualifies) worshipped Mithras.  The ceremonies were shrouded in
>mystery, but they involved (I am NOT making this up!) various levels of
>initiate, including the "Raven" level, which was the acolyte/entry level, and
>the slaughter of a white bull for its blood by the god

Ha! If LaCroix did worship Mithras, how ironic...considering his current dis-
dain to Nick's cowblood diet! Then again, LaCroix did seem to kinda relish
his little drink of the stuff in 'Dark Knight,' I had always just thought he
was hamming it up to make a point to Nick.

Tigon the Bouncing Tigger
Knightie w/ N&N and FoSiL tendencies
"Urg...what is this? It's cow, isn't it?" (Janette)


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:19:38 -0400
From:    Sharon Bhandari <sbhanda@e.......>
Subject: YKYB....

YKYB...when you are reading fan fiction for another show and you
recognize an author who has also written stories for the FK list.  You
notice that the author has also been RWWFK... since she often has the
heroine hit the hero in the arm, reminiscent of the early Nat and
Nick, even though it is a bit out of character :).

And another

YKYB...when you are stuck on the eight floor of the Public Health
building (the true Ivory Tower) listening to a group of specialists
at a small conference on Intelligence, and you really take notice when
they talk about "using the Raven."  Trying to imagine these stuffy older
men (and one or two women) in the Raven, you finally realize they are
talking about the Ravens Test of Progressive Matrices.  Well, at least they
had 100% of my attention for a few seconds.

BTW, I've read vague things about Catherine Disher having a baby.  When
was that?  Is she married?

Sharon Bhandari
Natpacker and Valentine


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:25:43 -0400
From:    Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: the Newbie's question

Stella Writes:<<Does Nick kill and drink human blood?>>

Can I answer this in filk?  <to the almond joy/mounds tune>

"Sometimes you feel like a vamp,
Sometimes you dont...
LaCroix drinks human blood,
Nick dont
Cause sometimes you feel like a vamp
and sometimes ya dont!"

Ta-da!!  Ok, no more caffeine today.

Cousin Michelle~CSS~Truly Depraved~Thong Snapper~Seducer~
SKL: "Faciemus ut Dewus Mountainus e Tuo Nasone Exeat!"


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:31:27 -0600
From:    "Teri R. Myers" <trm8203@m.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler?

What does spoiler mean?

I want more!!!!


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:22:17 -0400
From:    Nancy Fralic <fralic@m.......>
Subject: Various Topics

I have several questions/comments and thought I would take the suggestion
to put them all into the same post to save space for people - let me know
if this is better or worse than multiple posts!:

1.  Since some vampires besides Nick apparently have jobs/careers - the
TV technician in the episode with the Enforcers, Janette with the Raven,
the archeologist who tricked Nick into bringing his mortal archeologist
friend to a dig, Felix Twist (sp.?), who is apparently some form of
accountant for Nick - why couldn't there be one who is a therapist?
He/she could do a booming business what with parenting anxieties, angsty
types like Nick and Urs, even handle multple personalities. :)

2.  When LaCroix moved to Toronto, and apparently become the leading
citizen of the Community, whom did he replace?  Janette, because of the
shelter of the Raven?  Whom did she replace?  Is there total acceptance
of LaCroix or more tolerance through fear?  Or is there a built-in
heirachy in the vampire Community which places the oldest in charge?
Would that mean if an older vampire showed up, LaCroix would have to step
down? - Has any of this been explored through missing scenes or fan fic?

3.  In response to the thread about how the actors look on FK, I must
agree with the person who said the actors are more interesting looking,
although certainly very attractive, than the garden variety Hollywood
types.  I first started watching during the 3rd season, and my reaction
to GWD was a) _good_ actor, b) handsome man, and c) I could be wrong but
he looks like he spends his weekends doing little kid soccer and coaching
it if time allows.  (He's certainly hunky as Nick!)  And, having (not) seen
the video of bloopers of course (since it doesn't exist ;)), I feel pity for
Ger.  He's very funny and silly; a joy when his kids are young, but a
total embarassment when they're teens - spoken from experience, ours is
now 20, thank God!

4.  Speaking of tapes, does anyone know the address of Lisa Lukus, the
wonderful person responsible for my ability to watch the first two
seasons?  I've wanted to write to her but have apparently deleted any
evidence of her existence!  Please e-mail me privately if you know her!

5.  Lastly, I know this was probably debated when NiQ was first shown,
but I did not belong to the lists then.  Why does the concensus seem
to be that all that they did was kiss?  I would think Nat would have said
"Last night I thought we made progress" not "Last night I thought we'd won."
Not vamping out during a kiss could simply mean a little more control, not
victory.  I felt Nick's comment "We're together _now_ ... after last
night" seemed a little strong, too, for just a kiss.  Nat could have been
on the sofa because I could see Nat needing to think afterward - if they
became lovers - and she would not want to disturb Nick's rest, as his doctor,
because he was still recouperating.  Nick could have been dreaming of the
real event and had it twist into the nightmare which revealed his true
nature.  Did anyone connected with the show ever reveal what was intented?
Certainly would explain her crabbiness lately.

Which is better - or worse - long posts or multiple posts?  I don't want
to make it hard on anyone with difficult services!!

Nancy Fralic


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:31:51 -0500
From:    Mad Hatter <cli7@s.......>
Subject: Re: Quick question...

At 12:57 AM 4/25/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Just de-lurking for a quick second here... (spare the _flames_! The
>sun is bad enough!)
>Just one question... I've only been here for a little while (the list,
>I mean.  How long I've been on this earth is a whole other subject...),
>but one thing I had to know is... in the opening credits, where _is_
>that amazingly cool tower?  I keep having strange dreams about it,
>and it's become the subject of lots of my drawings (although
>it fits in with the rest of my style...medieval/gothic stuff).
>Anyone know?
>                                Thanks,
>                                        Langstrat

since it was filmed in toronto---i'd think it's the CN tower
[the tallest on this continent? i forget];
been there; if you're afraid of heights, skip the tour!

-mad hatter
*       *       *
"life is like the gene
pool; discombobulation
is inevitable, some chaos
is necessary." -mad hat
*       *       *


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:24:33 -0400
From:    Ty Parker <greybro@m.......>
Subject: Re: Occupations

Vampire hobbies?  Hmmm...    Now I don't know about our favorite undead, but
I've found the most addictive pasttime (apart from present company, of
course) is that danged card game, Magic: The Gathering.

Which leads to the mental image of Nick and LaCroix, sitting in the Raven,
playing Magic "for ante."

Now whether or nor Nick would actually ante Natalie in a card game (and
whether or not she'd let him live if he DID) is another piece of fanfic

Grey Brother


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:27:24 -0500
From:    Mad Hatter <cli7@s.......>
Subject: Re: kinda FK-related; what is an FK annex?

i missed the one episode where lacroix [evidently]
flashbacked to his roman days~my brother says
he was brought across by his *daughter* in the
middle of an earthquake. correct? will someone
who saw this one ep please fill me in as graphically
as possible? the one i really wanted to see, too!

-mad hatter
*       *       *
We dance around in a
  ring & suppose,
But the Secret sits in
  the middle & knows.
--robert frost
*       *       *


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:40:14 -0700
From:    Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: LA Party, May 18th (definitely) & May 11th?

Hi all,

  For anyone who will be in the LA, California area on May 18th, I'm
going to have a Last Knight party.
  I live in Placentia which is 15 minutes north of Disneyland in Orange County.
  I generally start my parties at 1pm and they end when they end.  In this
case, it should be sometime after the episode airing. (Last one ended
sometime around 3am) FK begins at 12:35 am on Saturday night/Sunday morning.
  Be prepared!  I'm a night owl.
  Please RSVP at this address.  cdmunoz@e....... (Cherri Munoz)
  Come and have fun.

  Also, if you are interested in coming to a party on May 11th, tell me.  I
would have to leave in the middle of it to go to LAX to pick up Jane
Credland (the former Jane Synder).  Yes, the list member from Toronto.  He!
He!  Can't wait to meet her!

<waving frantically> Hi Jane!

Anyway, we would be back in time to see FK and she would be able to meet a
few of you.

And of course, Ribena will be served during the show.

Hope to you there.

      Cousin Cherri                             <cdmunoz@e.......>
           Valentine, Sime/Gen, FKLFE, NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
      I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one.    <LaCroix-Father's Day>
                           Help save Forever Knight!


Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:57:45 -0700
From:    Elizabeth Ann Lewis <elewis@u.......>
Subject: YKYB... and FK Songs

You know you've been watching too much FK when...

For some completely ridiculous reason, your history class gets into a
discussion about the tallest building in the world.  Someone brings up the
Stratosphere in Las Vegas and you think <a> That's not a building and <b>
It isn't even the tallest tower.  And your seatmate can't figure out why
you are snickering when someone across the room says, "Well, what about the
CN Tower in Toronto?"

FK Songs:
Lost Boys Soundtrack

1.  I Still Believe--Nick
2.  Beauty Has Her Way--Janette
3.  Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me--Nat
4.  Good Times--Vachon
5.  People Are Strange--Screed
6.  Power Play--LaCroix

And all of Sting's The Soul Cages, Nick and LaCroix, since it is
essentiality about a son's troubled relationship with his father.

Lizbet~*~*~*~*~*~*~Proud Member of the Mercenary Guild ~~ elewis@u.......
~~ Lizbetann@a....... ~~ Ravenette of the New Order ~
Knightie/NatPacker/N&NPacker with Cousinly tendencies and the faintest of
leanings toward Vanquera-ism ~~ Arnyd yw Ewyll hyd yw ~~ Listowner, Middle
Ages Life ~~ http://members.aol.com/Lizbetann/mypage.html


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