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Digest - 24 Apr 1996 to 25 Apr 1996 - Special issue

Thu, 25 Apr 1996

There are 33 messages totalling 1346 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. FK Cassette
  2. YKYBWTMFKW...
  3. Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists
  4. Nigel Alert
  5. Vocabularies, Apologies and Zaniness (2)
  6. More LaCroix (5)
  7. another bye bye
  8. Synopsis?
  9. Did GWD kill it??
 10. Newbi (2)
 11. Waiting for something from me? (3)
 12. New Episodes?? (2)
 13. FK CD
 14. kinda FK-related; what is an FK annex? (3)
 15. list
 16. LC's love for Fleur (think it was "More LaCroix")
 17. Quick question...
 18. Favorite FK songs
 19. The Gift, by Jayel
 20. Looking for FK knowledge
 21. OK, knock it off (or, why you need asbestos to read the list lately)
 22. SyndiCon

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:51:44 -0700
From:    Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: FK Cassette

Hi Cousin Lisa,

I have the Cassette and it is almost as yummy as the CD.  It has most of the
same pictures in it.

Anyway, just thought you'd like to know and YES!!!  I do have both.

Had to!  It was complusive.  I really, really had to have both.

<bounce> <bounce> <bounce>

I've been listening to the CD all day while I've been beta reading a
friend's FK novel.  <Hi Cathy>

      Cousin Cherri                             <cdmunoz@e.......>
           Valentine, Sime/Gen, FKLFE, NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
      I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one.    <LaCroix-Father's Day>
                           Help save Forever Knight!
           http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:04:40 -0600
From:    "Tiger Tiger burning bright....." <tango@u.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW...

...you're listening to the radio and you hear the trivia question come
up: "What did high ranking officials in Rome often raise to eat?"  To
which the answer is: "Mice."

And you think: "Jeez, and LaCroix complains about *Nick's* eating habits??"
<g>

<Ducking and running from the Cousins...:)= >



*******************************************
Erika.             *
Knightie,NatPacker * "You know, Nicholas,
Nick&NatPacker     * sometimes you really
extrodinare!       * are one umbrella short
                   * of a cocktail."
tango@u.......      * Natalie, Curiouser & Curiouser
******************************************
SW Fan, HL Fan, X-Phile & LGW #24
'The Few, the Proud, the Paranoid.'
Proud member of X-treme Possibilities!
Cmdr. Bronwyn Siobhan Battai--USS Defender
Dr. (Lt.Cmdr.) Natalya de Brabant--Melcoas
Nicholas de Brabant, Intel--Melcoas

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:23:12 EDT
From:    MS IDALIA KAKESAKO <NPYF15B@p.......>
Subject: Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists

With all the talk here recently about the decline of the lists,
I thought everyone might find the following interesting:

<------------------forwarded info--------------------->

THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS

Every list seems to go through the same cycle:

1.  Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and
gush a lot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

2.  Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are
posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies).

3.  Growth (more and more people join, more and more
lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop
up).

4.  Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than
others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts
help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues;
friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers
are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone --
newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking
questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).

5.  Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages
increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to
every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-
noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't
limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with
person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth
is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used
for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed).

6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame
everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor
to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a
doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting
discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few
participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously
congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off
the list).

OR

6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the
participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up
briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second
or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after).

<--------------------------------------------------------->

What stage do you think the lists are in?  My opinion after
being here only 4 months is stage 4 or maybe 5.  What do
the "old-timers" have to say?  6b?


ObFORKNI-L:  Are all the most "vocal" listmembers up in
Toronto now for GWD's play?  I haven't received a new
digest in almost 24 hours!  It's kind of distressing. . . .


Idalia Kakesako     <NPYF15B@p.......>
digest-ed Light Cousin with NatPack sympathies

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:24:21 -0700
From:    Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nigel Alert

Paula Hurley wrote:

Sorry guys, I can't believe I sent this without saying what night it came
on!! Duh!! It is aired tonight and tomorrow morning on Bravo. Thanks Kim for
pointing out my mistake.
>    The Star Turn: Nigel Bennett and Joe-Norman Shaw star as a

   <grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr>

   It's only on BRAVO Canada!!!!

   Waaaaiiillllllll!!!!!

  It wanna see Nigel too!

  Cousin Cherri seriously contemplating buying a satellite dish.  <grumble>
<grumble>

      Cousin Cherri                             <cdmunoz@e.......>
           Valentine, Sime/Gen, FKLFE, NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
      I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one.    <LaCroix-Father's Day>
                           Help save Forever Knight!
           http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:24:48 -0400
From:    Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: Vocabularies, Apologies and Zaniness

Carrie, Proud Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:26:16 CST
From:    Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: More LaCroix

FO>  Bobbie Williams <UserKnight@a.......> said:

FO>>I don't believe he was in love with Fleur--she was just one more
FO>>being he could control (and taking her would be one more way he could annoy
FO>>Nick).  I don't believe LaCroix remembers what love is--or if he ever

Normally I'm not someone who feels she has to defend LaCroix -- I mean,
if this were a real situation, he'd defend himself just fine -- BITE,
SLURP, BYE BYE! ;)

But I honestly can't see how his love for Fleur could be in doubt.  I
don't WANT to think he was in love with her -- I mistrust people who
fall in love at first sight and I think LC would view it as a
sign of weakness.  (Boy am I a Cousin or what? :) )  As much as I don't
WANT him to be in lover with her, I have to admit that I believe he was.

What else would explain why he didn't bring her across?  He brings
across those people he wants to control or use (in at least some of the
cases), so what better way to control her, as you say he wants to do?

When Nick says "she's just another conquest to you" -- did you see the
look on LC's face?  Ye Gods that was pain!  He was wounded to the quick!

And did you see his soliloquy beneath Nat's window as he remembers
Fluer?  He begs for an end to "this incessant longing".  Those don't
sound like the words of a man who didn't love someone.

Pain comes from love, and that man was IN PAIN.

Wicked Cousin Tippi

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:33:54 CST
From:    Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: another bye bye

Hey all,
Going nomail for a few days while I finish up rewrites on my novel.
Toodles and have fun!
Wicked Cousin Tippi
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:40:26 -0400
From:    Carrie Krumtum <CKrumtum@g.......>
Subject: Vocabularies, Apologies and Zaniness

Hi guys and gals,

Yes, formal warning, it's me. Your friendly neighborhood booger head. Yep,
like a self fulfilling prophecy, I have screwed up again. Not that this
surprises anyone. Especially not me.

>Hell, I even stopped talking to people who even looked as if they had a
>large vocabulary...:)

>I'm someone who can't remember to use my spellchecker regularly...:)

<Taking a deep breath> Okay, bad humor maybe. If I offended, forgive. Most of
the replies I got were from people who, after having read multiple posts form
me knew I was JOKING. Gasp. Yes, I was joking. But, that doesn't mean I
didn't offend others. I have apologized off list for that. Now I'm going to
apologize on list. If anyone else thought that I was being anything other
than brain dead with a real bad joke, forgive me.

I just thought the smiley faces, and my general good nature while writing the
post would be understood by all. And was by most. Thanks, BTW, to those of
you who wrote me back and laughed with me about this. We had our fun.

IMHO, using a dictionary IS optional, and aside from a few words, I can count
them on one hand, I pretty much understand everything that's posted. I do
look up every word I don't know. I really do. I did graduate from college, I
really did, twice. I never intended to offend anyone, I really didn't. Okay,
now that I've made a total ass of myself, I will take my trip to TO and watch
a wonderful play, trip the lights fantastic in the Vampire Sex Bar, take the
FK Tour with Will, party in Dotti's room until I collapse, and generally have
a great time.

If anyone cares....I'll be back on Monday and will answer any and all e-mail
then. <<<hug>>> \\// LLAP! OOPs. Wrong list for that huh?

:)=




Carrie, Proud Knightie
CKrumtum@g.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:04:25 -0600
From:    Dorothy Elggren <delggren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Synopsis?

I sent a synopsis of the episodes to Tammy.

Dorothy
delggren@e.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:56:05 -0500
From:    Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Did GWD kill it??

Gehirn sez ...

>I was with your hubby.........ah......I mean, I agreed with his interps
>of Ger's interviews,  until I read the log from the Prodigy Chat.

Sometimes an actor in a long running role will make subtle noises about
leaving as a means of seeing if something else comes up.  That's probably
what was happening.

----  TJ

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:42:36 -0400
From:    Lisa Anne Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: Re: Newbi

Hey, Hey Stella & Everyone Else :)

Stella asked:
>But when I read the postings I get different views.  Is Lacroix a
>good Vampyre or bad?  Does Nick kill and drink human blood?

Well, technically, both of these questions depend upon the person's
individual point of view -- which of course also is what makes this
types of discussions so interesting.

I, for one, think that LaCroix is largely misunderstood and does,
although he goes about it the wrong way, want what's best for his
*children*.  There are others who believe that LaCroix is evil
incarnate and should be eradicated from the face of the Earth as
soon as possible.

Nick, on the other hand, annoys me to no end.  I think he's a
hypocrite that gives in far to easily and refuses to take
responsibility for who and what he is.  It is far easier for him to
blame LaCroix for the hell that is his life than to take a little
credit for it himself.  There are *vast* numbers of people who
would disagree with this point of view.

>Everyone has been so helpful.  A big kudos to Lisa, she has always
>answered my questions.  Thanx for being patient with me.
No problem :)

See ya'
Lisa

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:54:41 -0400
From:    Arletta Asbury <g4akl@e.......>
Subject: Re: Newbi

At 01:58 PM 4/24/96 -0600, Teri R. Myers wrote:
>Hi! A couple of questions, if you don't mind.  As being new to this
>listserve and Forever Knight, I am confused.  I have to admit that I have
>never seen FK because I can't find it out here, but I do have a friend
>that will be mailing me some copies.  But when I read the postings I get
>different views.  Is Lacroix a good Vampyre or bad?  Does Nick kill and
>drink human blood?
>
>Please let me know.  I have really enjoyed being apart of this
>listserve.  Everyone has been so helpful.  A big kudos to Lisa, she has
>always answered my questions.  Thanx for beening patient with me.
>
>--++--++--++--
>Stella
>trm8203@m.......
>Being a newbie is fun!
>
>

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:18:23 -0400
From:    Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Waiting for something from me?

   Hello all!!!  I'm sorry to bug the list with this, but would everyone who
has NOT received the Nightcrawler tape in the mail please e-mail me?  Also,
someone was kind enough to loan me a copy of Baby, Baby a while ago, and I
can't find this particular persons e-mail address, if you think this is you
would you please e-mail me?  Another BTW:  Over 12 people have e-mailed me
offering to help me out with Murder One tapes for my roommate, (I knew
Forever Knight fans were the best!!!) so if you were going to offer, thank
you, but never mind!  Well, now that I'm done with this completely off-topic,
unrelated, annoying post....

Ravenette, Immortal Beloved,
Seducer, CO-CFW for Evil
MacLeod, Richie Reservist,
Janette92@a.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:04:11 -0700
From:    Angie Lotto <alasher@e.......>
Subject: Re: More LaCroix

This is my two cents worth take on it... I believe indeed that LC was in
love with her. That was the only way that what Nick had said to him would
sink in. I don't know if this makes sense to you, but when you truly love
someone, you would sacifice anything, including that love, to make sure that
the object of your love was safe and sound. I believe that is what LC did.

Lasher

At 05:26 PM 4/24/96 CST, you wrote:

>FO>>I don't believe he was in love with Fleur--she was just one more
>FO>>being he could control (and taking her would be one more way he could annoy

>What else would explain why he didn't bring her across?  He brings
>across those people he wants to control or use (in at least some of the
>cases), so what better way to control her, as you say he wants to do?
>When Nick says "she's just another conquest to you" -- did you see the
>look on LC's face?  Ye Gods that was pain!  He was wounded to the quick!
>And did you see his soliloquy beneath Nat's window as he remembers
>Fluer?  He begs for an end to "this incessant longing".  Those don't
>sound like the words of a man who didn't love someone.
>
>Pain comes from love, and that man was IN PAIN.
>
>Wicked Cousin Tippi
>
>

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:03:19 -0700
From:    Lisa Marvin <wyllow@n.......>
Subject: Re: New Episodes??

Lisa P. wrote:

>
> Second, I've noticed that USA :-( has stopped airing FK, but the FOX network
> :-) is still showing reruns.  Is FOX going to show the new episodes, or are
> they only going to show it on the SF Channel?

I have posted this before but will post it again, as I really hope
that we all will get to see the last 4 eps from somewhere or other!!

For several months, an episode of FK would be shown by the FOX channel
here in Denver in a late-night Saturday time slot ( like after
midnight).  That same episode would then air the following Monday
night on USA.

I have my toes and fingers crossed that FOX will continue this pattern
through the last 4 eps.  FOX did show Dead of Knight last weekend, so
hopefully it will go ahead and air the last 4 eps in the same way.

I hope this helps:-)

Lisa M.
wyllow@n.......
"Whatever you are, be a good one."

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:57:06 -0400
From:    Bobbie Williams <UserKnight@a.......>
Subject: FK CD

Just got the CD in the mail--it's absolutely wonderful <bouncing up and down,
with dignity, I am a Knightie after all>  <VBG>.

Bobbie, Lady of the Knight and self-professed Cyberknight
"Out of the spirit, into the flesh/The animal heartbeat in the chest
The naked desire/The appetite/But you remember the light"

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:15:39 CST
From:    "OREL, SARA" <FA55@n.......>
Subject: kinda FK-related; what is an FK annex?

Okay, I know this is only related to FK (the tv show) by the initials,
so please forgive me but someone asked (and it will be a short reply)...
Besides, Nick was an archaeologist,even in the Nile Valley (although
somewhat to the south).

FK Annex (and forgive my hesitation here -- forgot to check the article
and I haven't dealt with Karnak material since it was written seven
years ago -- was a long time ago and my memory may be in error) was a
designation of an excavation area at East Karnak that went from the
surface down to Middle Kingdom material (about 3600 years exposure, and
more would have been found if it weren't for that pesky water table),
perhaps 25-20 feet from surface to bottom of the trench.  Areas of
excavation were labeled by year; thus in the first year, the director
mapped out trenches (squares) AA, AB, AC, etc., and in the second BA,
BB, BC, etc..  The square FK was thus originally designated in the sixth
season, although it was never actually dug.  FK Annex ran off the FK
square to the west, but wasn't originally planned to be dug, and thus
was never given a designation...  Oh, never mind -- I suppose that gives
you the idea.
    (I hope that is right, Anne -- would be embarrassing if I got the
map mixed up - I spent three weeks deep down that hole...)
     Of course, you could simply accept the alternate explanation that
it is an extension I added on to my house, an area where Forever Knight
is the only allowable topic of conversation.  But that would be silly.
     ObFK: I have been fascinated by the recent discussions about the
character of Lacroix.  He is my favourite character, and is played by my
favourite of the actors -- I find him so compelling...  I do not believe
in Lacroix lite (did you folks ever finish the ISOLC?  I have been off
the fiction list for a while now), and one of the things I find so
incredible about Uncle is the complete in-human-ness of him at times
(and thecharacteristic is something I think comes from the actor as much
as from the scripts), which comes through very clearly in BMV although
in several others as well.  I do not by any stretch of the imagination
think of him as being as evil, even potentially, as Nick can be, but he
can be incredibly cold and cruel.  He can toy with people and other
vampires, and he can be unpredictable and violent.  But Nick has
something the demon in SoBelial found so delicious, and Lacroix, perhaps
because he was
never Christian, never could be damned (although there is that church
scene in AMPH -- Why oh Why could that not have been kept?  Was it ever
filmed?).
     Anyway, I was once told by a knightie when I said I though Nick was
more evil than Lacroix that "them's fighting words" -- I suppose they
are, but I stick to them.  Note I do NOT mean that I believe Lacroix is
any less than he is -- he is manipulative, inhuman, cold, cruel, and
mesmerizing...  But I don't think he is evil, just beyond our
comprehension.
    So there.

Sara Orel
FA55%nemomus@a.......

By the way Anne, my fellow merc: I got a message bounced back to me
today, to my great annoyance, so I post this private note to you -- I am
arranging my flights this summer for the August field season in Egypt
(stupid, I know) and I was wondering if you were still going to be
in-country in late July (late late July).  A FK get-together, perhaps?

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:19:29 EDT
From:    "linda c. fried" <103213.3530@c.......>
Subject: list

sorry to post this here, but would the denver/colorado contigent
please e-mail me.  my computer crashed bad last week and took with it
all my addresses and phone numbers...
i really can't get in touch with you guys re:party.
thanks.
regards,
linda c. fried
103213.3530@c.......
aboarts@c.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:03:41 -0500
From:    Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: More LaCroix

 Angie Lotto wrote:
>I believe indeed that LC was in
>love with her. .... when you truly love
>someone, you would sacifice anything, including that love, to make sure that
>the object of your love was safe and sound. I believe that is what LC did.

I also believe LC was in love with Fleur, but I'm not so sure he sacrificed
to make sure Fleur would remain safe.  Nick said by bringing her across,
LaCroix would destroy the very thing he loved.  Nick called it innocence
and purity.  I think it was kindness, but they're in the same realm.  I think
LaCroix simply had to bow to the logic.  If he brought her across, she would
no longer be the person he loved.  There was really no way LaCroix could
have what he wanted.

Margie (treeleaf@i.......)

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:08:43 -0400
From:    "Melanie Moser (Red)" <moser@c.......>
Subject: Re: New Episodes??

On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Lisa Marvin wrote:
>
> For several months, an episode of FK would be shown by the FOX channel
> here in Denver in a late-night Saturday time slot ( like after
> midnight).  That same episode would then air the following Monday
> night on USA.
>
> I have my toes and fingers crossed that FOX will continue this pattern
> through the last 4 eps.  FOX did show Dead of Knight last weekend, so
> hopefully it will go ahead and air the last 4 eps in the same way.
>
In the Balt-Wash D.C. area, we have two FOX stations, and only
the Baltimore FOX carries FK - at midight on Saturday.  Strangely
enough, our USA doesn't show FK... at least I haven't been able
to find it listed or on.  I would have thought USA would have been
consistent across the country, but apparently not.  (Makes those
ratings really relevant and accurate, eh?)

On a cool note:  a Wash D.C. (independent/WB) carries FK, the new
episode, on Thursdays at midnight.   So, I'm already warming up
my VCR for "Jane Doe" tomorrow/tonight.

If you haven't done so already, be sure to send a note to the
SciFi Channel and thank them for showing FK.  I've been able
to bring across a few more fans now that we're on at a decent
time!

Mel Moser
N&NPacker, Tempted-2BA-Cousin
moser@c.......

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Date:    Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:43:00 -0700
From:    [Name removed by request]
Subject: LC's love for Fleur (think it was "More LaCroix")

Tips asserted that if LC didn't love Fleur, why else would he have refused
to bring her across? (Modern technology has been flipping off at me today.
Can't access the post.)

One possibility is that now LC has something he can use against Nick, the
next time he'd like something his way. It's a nice thing having that promise
there.

And, as inspired by discussions we had when it first aired, if he *really*
loved Fleur, he would have brought her across. She wanted it, he wanted it.
It wouldn't have been a question of doing what a 3rd party says you should
do. He would have been listening to *her*, to what she was asking, pleading
for. Apparently he loves Nicholas more. Or apparently he really just loved
that innocence, not Fleur herself [though why he didn't then go after every
PYT (uh, Pretty Young Thing), proclaiming his love, makes no sense to me.
Maybe if Diane Carey had a hand in all the scripts, he would have :)]

i don't believe one way or the other. Just putting out some other possibilities.

But... we will often do what we think is best for others because we don't
want them to get hurt, etc. i absolutely do not let my sister, who i love
dearly, do certain things because i want to make sure she's still there for
me to push around and generally torture. But then there's the point where,
if you really really love them, you let them go (and if they don't come back
you go and kill them, got it, Sir). They should be able to exercise their
free will, after all. Now this is going to get back to what we believe love
really is, whether possessive love can be considered love at all, and i
don't want to start that again.

And there's also the fact that we were in an entirely different time in
which the people had entirely different concepts about a woman's voice. LC
wouldn't have considered what Fleur wanted. She was property.

Ach, whatever. i'm going to go get some ice cream.

[Name removed by request]


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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:06:18 -0500
From:    Mary Gilbert <mcg3390@g.......>
Subject: Re: Waiting for something from me?

>   Hello all!!!  I'm sorry to bug the list with this, but would everyone who
>has NOT received the Nightcrawler tape in the mail please e-mail me?
>
>Ravenette, Immortal Beloved,
>Seducer, CO-CFW for Evil
>MacLeod, Richie Reservist,
>Janette92@a.......
>
>
Janette,   As of today I have not received a tape.  My name is Mary Gilbert
if you need my address again please e-mail me  mcg3390@g.......
I'm really looking forward to your tape



Cousin Mary G.
Cousin to the core!

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:57:07 -0400
From:    Kris Culotta <gilead@b.......>
Subject: Quick question...

Just de-lurking for a quick second here... (spare the _flames_! The
sun is bad enough!)

Just one question... I've only been here for a little while (the list,
I mean.  How long I've been on this earth is a whole other subject...),
but one thing I had to know is... in the opening credits, where _is_
that amazingly cool tower?  I keep having strange dreams about it,
and it's become the subject of lots of my drawings (although
it fits in with the rest of my style...medieval/gothic stuff).

Anyone know?
                                Thanks,
                                        Langstrat

<"...rage, rage, against the dying of the light."  -Dylan Thomas>

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:14:30 -0400
From:    Angie Lotto <alasher@e.......>
Subject: Re: More LaCroix

>I also believe LC was in love with Fleur, but I'm not so sure he sacrificed
>to make sure Fleur would remain safe.  Nick said by bringing her across,
>LaCroix would destroy the very thing he loved.  Nick called it innocence
>and purity.  I think it was kindness, but they're in the same realm.  I think
>LaCroix simply had to bow to the logic.  If he brought her across, she would
>no longer be the person he loved.  There was really no way LaCroix could
>have what he wanted.
>
>Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
>
Yes Margie, I can see that too, but if I had been in LaCriox place, I would
have wanted my lover to be with me in the forever. If he had told her
exactly what he was, and gave her the choice, and she took it volunteerly
(SP) then there should be no reason to bring her over. Nick was way to close
to the whole thing, and LaCroix did indeed stop for Nickolas' sake and not
his own.

But then again, I could be completely wrong!

Angie

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:23:22 -0400
From:    Tigon Diana Hooker <TeigrLlew@a.......>
Subject: Re: kinda FK-related; what is an FK annex?

In a message dated 96-04-24 23:34:34 EDT, you write:

> Lacroix, perhaps because he was never Christian, never could be damned
>(although there is that church scene in AMPH -- Why oh Why could that not have
>been kept?

First of all...what church scene in AMPH?

Secondly, one wonders which of the Roman Gods LaCroix might have
worshipped. Presumably Mars, the god of war, was one...but I can't
help wondering how he felt about Pluto. Did LaCroix choose eternal
life because he secretly dreaded one of those occasional fun punish-
ments in Hades like pushing a rock uphill for eternity? Under those
circumstances, I might choose undeath, too.

Then again, perhaps LaCroix was a Roman athiest.

Tigon the Bouncing Tigger
Knightie w/ N&N and FoSiL tendencies
"Life can cheat death...it will always find a way." (Divia, AMPH)

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:14:32 -0400
From:    Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject: Re: Waiting for something from me?

Dear Janette,

     Hi!  Yes, I was one of those folks who expected a Nightcrawler tape and
haven't recieved it yet.

     Just letting you know.

  -- Ray

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:14:30 -0400
From:    Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject: Re: Favorite FK songs

Bobbie Williams wrote:

> Still looking for the perfect LaCroix song.

     Let's face it, Queen's "Princes of the Universe" (if I remember the
title correctly) pretty much fills the bill.  Unfortunately, it's already
taken.
     (For the two or three of you who don't watch "Highlander: The Series",
It's said series'  main theme.)

  --  Ray
   Nat Vamp Camp

     Rage!  Rage!  Against the dying of the Knight!

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:21:42 -0400
From:    AMARYS <Amarys@c.......>
Subject: Re: The Gift, by Jayel

        Would some kind soul on the FKFIC list please forward me any parts
of this story that have dropped since part 23?  My server went down and
all of my mail from the past two days is gone.  Thanks!


    *               amarys@c....... com  Shelley M. Maas             *
   *    We are never blind to the truth.  Sometimes, we just prefer   *
  *     to keep our eyes closed.                                       *
  ********************************///\\\********************************

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:05:47 -0500
From:    "fa;kl lks" <egersdor@m.......>
Subject: Looking for FK knowledge

I am looking for someone who knows more than I about The FK universe.
Someone who has seen all the episode and who knows a little more than the
rest of us about what the creators intended.

Would this person please E-mail me privately

Thanks
Robbi
Knightie With Dark Tendencies
egersdor@m.......

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 05:32:45 -0500
From:    D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: kinda FK-related; what is an FK annex?

On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Tigon Diana Hooker <TeigrLlew@a.......> wrote:
>Secondly, one wonders which of the Roman Gods LaCroix might have
>worshipped.

A large section of the Legion in late Empire (not sure how late, but I think
this probably qualifies) worshipped Mithras.  The ceremonies were shrouded in
mystery, but they involved (I am NOT making this up!) various levels of
initiate, including the "Raven" level, which was the acolyte/entry level, and
the slaughter of a white bull for its blood by the god (spilled on the earth to
symbolically renew the land, I believe) was central to the religion's theology.
 Mithraism was one of many 'mystery religions' that sprang up late in the Roman
Empire.  For a long time, they thought Christianity was just another of them....
<g>

I'm sure somebody with more knowledge can fill in the gaps for me.  I'm going
from my memory of college history courses and Mary Stewarts' Merlin trilogy.

Diane E
# D Echelbarger                        gryphon@e.......    #
#   WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/      #

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:34:41 -0500
From:    Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: OK, knock it off (or, why you need asbestos to read the list lately)

Picture a few people in a room.  They are friends.  Good friends.  They
have a lot in common.  They like each other.

Now.  They find out that a nuclear warhead is about to be launched.  They
are good people.  They like life.  For them, and for others.  So they try
to warn as many people as possible in the hopes of stopping it.

Lots of people hear their warning, and join these few in the bunker.  For
a while, things work out.  Then it becomes obvious that their efforts are
in vain.  The bomb is going to fall after all.

Now what have you got?  1300 people in a room waiting for The Big One.

And lots and lots of tension.

Now, if you've been in fandom for a while, this is hardly the first time
you've seen this.  You start small, then you get an influx of people, and
some of them Just Don't Get It.  (Now, I'm sure I'm not going to offend anyone
with that, since the guilty will probably think I'm talking about somebody
else, and that's OK.)

And if you've seen this before, you also know there's only one thing you
can do about it.  Wait it out.  (Well, that or leave and swear you're never
going to get involved in fandom again.)

Years ago, I would have jumped into this fray.  (And did, actually.  Like
many of us, I still have the scars.)  But in the last year or two I've gone
from a type A to a type B personality, and have adopted the following motto:

I used to be aggravated, now I'm just bemused.

Simply put, if you see a post that annoys you, DELETE IT.  No, I don't
know what "excoriated" means.  If I can't get it from context, I'll look
it up.  It won't kill me.  And I've been known to let a typo or two slip
through.  ("Satan neglige" anyone?)  It won't kill any of us.

Don't like a writer's style?  Don't read them.  Don't like the way a thread's
going?  Don't read it.  Feel the need to respond to an inflammatory post?
Do it in private.  At least it'll keep the flames from spreading.

I don't know what the policy is on unsubbing flamers, but I hope there is
one.

Most of all, CHILL OUT. Please.

It'll all be over soon.

----  TJ (and Sorcha)

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:56:34 -0500
From:    Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: More LaCroix

Re Fleur, Wicked Cousin Tippi wrote:
>As much as I don't
>WANT him to be in love with her, I have to admit that I believe he was.

I agree that the love was real. What clinches it for me is that LaCroix
*admits* to Nicholas that he is frustrated, embarrassed, and annoyed by his
feelings, yet he cannot overcome them. It's so unusual for LC to admit to
any sort of weakness, to suggest that he is not in complete control, that I
think he *must* have been under the influence of that most powerful
emotion.

Here's something I've been kicking around in my mind: Had LC brought Fleur
across, would he have allowed her to become a powerful, remorseless killer
like himself? Or would he have protected her, brought her blood to drink,
kept her from the violence of the vampire life in order to maintain her
innocent purity and her gentleness? I almost think the latter, because of
his love. Cousins?

Stephanie
Vaquera (who *liked* the gentleness Fleur prompted in LC)

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Date:    Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:21:38 -0500
From:    Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: SyndiCon

Hi...here is the updated flyer for SyndiCon

>SYNDI-Con
>The East Coast Version
>Featuring "HIGHLANDER"
>                        and
>               "FOREVER KNIGHT"
>
>WHEN:    May 10, 11, and 12th, 1996
>WHERE:   Marriott Inner Harbor Hotel
>                110 South Eutaw Street
>                Baltimore, Maryland
>
>*CONFIRMED GUESTS:* (all guest appearances subject to professional
>commitments)
> From "HIGHLANDER" :
>       Jim Byrnes,  Stan Kirsch,  Elizabeth Gracen,  Peter Wingfield
>                             and live...via sattelite ....Adrian Paul
>
>>From Production:
>       Bill Panzer, Executive Producer
>       Ken Gord, Producer
>       Gillian Horvath,   Creative Consultant
>       Donna Lettow , Script Co-cordinator
>       Roger Bellon, series music composer
>
>
>**********JUST CONFIRMED********
>>From "FOREVER KNIGHT"
>          Nigel Bennett  (Lucien LaCroix)
>          and his writing partner
>          P. N. Elrod; and together they will be reading from their new
>vampire trilogy
>******************************************************************************
>************************
>ALSO CONFIRMED:
>  TJ GLENN
>    Legendary tv/film stunt co-ordinator & swordmaster
>    and will be doing re-enactments of swordfights
>
> HEATHER ALEXANDER                                             THUNDERCASTLE
>  Celtic  singer/ songwriter
>                                           "HIGHLANDER" Card games
>
>
>
>                                                                  Tournaments
>
>
>
>                                                                         !!!!
> with prizes  !!!!
>
>JASON HENDERSON
> author of  the first "HIGHLANDER" novel "Element of Fire"
>
>MARTY GEAR
>   renowned costumer, who will judge the Masquerade (costume contest)
>
>ITINERATE DANCE THEATER:  Highland dancers
>
>SATURDAY NIGHT BENEFIT CONCERT
>  a night of blues to be remembered
>    THE JIM BYRNES BAND
>   ALL PROCEEDS GO TO CHARITY
>******************************************************************************
>******************************
>COST:
>CONVENTION:
> $55.00 for all 3 days  ~ ~   $35.00 for one day   ~ ~  Children 10 and under
>are free
>JIM BYRNES BAND CONCERT:
>    $15.00 if you already have a membership, or are going to purchase these
>both at the
>    same time (total $70.00 per person)
>    $25.00 if you wish to attend the concert ONLY
>
>The membership for the con and/or the concert tickets can be purchased by
> check or money order (sorry, no credit cards) and sent to:
>
> SYNDI-Con
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                                                                    VOICEMAIL
> P. O. Box 77347
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                                                                 510.888.2414
> San Francisco, California  94107
>
>*please note:  Please include a legal size self addressed stamped
> envelope with your registration.  Please include a note stating the name,
>address,
> and evening phone number of EACH person attending.  You will  be receiving a
>receipt in
> the mail for the convention, and an actual ticket for the concert.  You must
>bring this
> receipt with you to register, or present valid ID at the registration desk.
> There you will pick up
>your packet, which will include your receipt, a program, a schedule, and lots
>of
>great information about the Baltimore area!!  You will also need to bring
>your ticket for
>your entrance to the concert. *****
>
>To lend a hand to those of you who want a roommate to help with hotel
>expenses for the
>convention, SYNDI-Con is starting a roommate listing. Fill out the form and
>send it with a
>self-addressed, stamped envelope to:
>
>                                                  SYNDI-Con Roommates
>                                                       Sharon Carroll
>                                                    104  Ellery Avenue
>                                                  Middletown, RI  02842
>
>                                                                OR
>
>                                           e-mail it to:
> jmcarr29@pop3.nfi.com
>
> and we will send you a list of people who are looking  for roommates  After
>that....it's up to you!
>
>                   This is for SYNDI-Con :     ______ East Coast
>
>                                                          Personal Info:
>NAME: ___________________________________________________________
>                     E-mail  address:__________________________
>ADDRESS: ________________________________________________________
>                  ________________________________________________________
>Evening phone_________________     Gender:______________       Age:
>__________
>Do you smoke?  ____Yes  _____ No
>What nights are you planning on staying at the hotel?  ___Thursday  ___Friday
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                                                                 ____Saturday
> ___ Sunday
>Do you already have a reservation?  __Yes   ___ No
>How many roommates do you want? _______
>
>ROOMMATE PREFERENCES:
>Gender_____________________
>Age preference_______________
>Smoker:  _____ Yes    _____ No    _______ Doesn't matter
>
>
>OTHER PROGRAMMING:
>Friday night no-host mixer (dress: casual) a time for fans (and maybe the
>guests!) to get to
>know one another and talk about their  favorite things
>
>Dealer's room %%%%  European version Videos  %%%%%  Q & A panels with the
>Actors
>and Production staff  %%%% Autograph sessions  %%%% Charity auction  %%%%%
>Sword fighting re-enactments by TJ Glenn  %%%%% Celtic music by Heather
>Alexander
>%%%% Art Show %%%%% ThunderCastle Card Game Tournement %%%%  Masquerade
>(costume contest)          ****and many more things to come!!!!!!!!***
>
>
>ABOUT THE MASQUERADE (costume contest):  You are encouraged to wear a costume
>from
>any period, during the 3 days.  The formal costume contest will be held
> Friday  and if you wish,
>you can enter when you register.  There are two catagories of entrants:
>beginner, and expert.
>Each catagory will be judged on its own, and will not compete with each
>other. If there is a
>weapon involved with the costume it MUST be peace-bonded (unable to be drawn
>or used) by
>our security staff.  The only exception is if the weapon is a vital part of
>your costume
>presentation, and then can be used only under the close supervision of the
>Masquerade
>organizers and the security staff.
>
>
>
>THE HOTEL:
> Room rate is $125.00 flat rate with up to 4 persons per room.  Be sure to
>mention SYNDI-Con
> to get this rate.  For reservations call:  1.410.962.0202
> There is shuttle service from the Baltimore/Washington International
>Airport, $10.00 one way
> or $15.00 round trip.
>
> TIMES:
>You will pick up a schedule at the time you register.  The basic times of the
>convention are:
>
>Friday:  Registration opens at 1:00 p.m., and programming starts at 3:00 p.m.
>ending at about 6
>p.m.  The mixer starts at about 7, and goes until about 9 or 10 p.m
>
>Saturday:  Registration opens at 8 a.m. with programming at 9 a.m., ending at
>about 6 p.m. The
>concert starts at about 9 p.m. and goes until about 11:00 p.m
>
>Sunday: Registration opens at 9 a.m. with programming at 10:00 a.m., ending
>about 6 p.m.
>
>TRAVEL:
>US AIR is the official airline of SYNDI-Con East.  For a discount on your
>airfare have your travel
>agent refer to GOLD FILE #2854-005 or call these numbers:
>US AIR Meeting and convention office :  1-800-334-8644 (8am to 9pm ET)
>Ashland Travel:  Peter Zois at 1-800-445-9600
>
>BALTIMORE CON NEWS!!!
>The Bad, the Good, the Exciting, the Surprise
>
>First we are sorry we have been unable to answer all of your questions.  We
>have been in San
>Francisco for SYNDI-Con West without the ability to answer our e-mail. Plus
>we felt that it was
>important to wait until we could respond with facts versus conjecture.
>
>THE BAD NEWS
>Adrian will not be able to join us in person for the Baltimore convention
>because he will be
>filming a new movie in Manila - very far from Baltimore.  With the kind
>assistance of his agent,
>we tried to work out a way for him to fly in.   Unfortunately, it is simply
>too far.  The flights would
>take zillions of hours of travel time.  Adrian wanted to come to the Con, so
>he tried, and we tried.
>It is not going to be possible.
>
>THE GOOD NEWS
>Adrian is filming a new action adventure movie called "Rangers" which we can
>all look forward
>to seeing.  The film co-stars Michael Biehn and Kathleen York.  (Think that
>if we begged they
>would release it during re-runs?!)  We have been promised more information,
>when we have it,
>you will too.
>
>THE EXCITING NEWS
>With the generous help from Bill Panzer, we are working on a satellite link
>with Adrian who
>agrees it is a great idea.  We don't have any of the details; as soon as we
>do....
>
>THE SURPRISE
>"Forever Knight"'s Nigel Bennett (Lucien LaCroix) had such a terrific time at
>SYNDI-Con West,
>that he and his writing partner, P. N. Elrod, will be joining us in
>Baltimore, and they will be
>reading from their new vampire trilogy.
>
>THE FINE PRINT
>We can't offer refunds.   All of the the SYNDI-Con flyers do say that guest
>appearances are
>subject to professional commitments.  Some friends have told us that most of
>the "Adrian can't
>be there"  letters have been quite positive.   Yes, we are all disappointed,
>but we have lots of
>exciting guests.   And many of us will finally meet!
>
>As always, please pass this information along.  If you have questions, please
>e-mail me here.
>
>P.S.  The hotel has agreed to extend our room discount availability until
>April 26th.
>
>SYNDI-CON
>**THERE CAN BE ONLY FUN!!!**
>
>Thanks!
>
>
FOREVER KNIGHT: Now showing on the SciFi Channel Mondays, 8pm, 12am EST
FOREVER KNIGHT SOS/FK: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
*Cousin*  *Vachon Ogler*  *MPPB*  *DMC member!*  *PWFC* *MFW Cavalry*

***The Mother of Invention *had* to have been a single mother!***

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