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Digest - 27 Mar 1996 - Special issue

Wed, 27 Mar 1996

There are 38 messages totalling 1012 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Fever
  2. Sweet Revenge/EC Faq/and Hair
  3. sc&va (2)
  4. Beta reader request.
  5. Nick's blood type?
  6. FK CD
  7. Goldeneye I request
  8. Any new Austin/Central Texas FOREVER KNIGHT events, anyone?
  9. Okay Guys, Enough (2)
 10. Oatmeal
 11. SOS: Charity Stuff
 12. Episodes still under spoiler protection
 13. Vampire Cranes (wishing crane project)
 14. New Vampires on the Block!
 15. NK-LC Faction (2)
 16. HELP!!!!
 17. Anyone in the Birmingham, Alabama area?
 18. Off topic quickie
 19. Feedback from the Dominion...
 20. Character names
 21. LIST RULE: NEW
 22. "Forebodings"
 23. Hi folks!!
 24. Popcorn Scene
 25. Forever Knight: The Next Generation
 26. Hand?
 27. HELP!!!  I NEED FK TO RESTORE MY SANITY!!!!!
 28. About Fever<<grrrrrr>>
 29. Nick/LC, eroticism, Divia, blood
 30. LIST RULES: List Rules?
 31. Help!
 32. Airwolf... another familiar face
 33. Nick on Prozac
 34. hi everybody, at long last!
 35. Oh, help.

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:26:55 -0500
From:    Gehirn Karies <SoulDebris@a.......>
Subject: Re: Fever

CP wrote:

>I saw "Fever" last week it just S***ed.
  and more **** about the writer.

   *WHAT?*
I haven't jumped into the "Fever" Gemini's nominations thread because
although I've agreed with every compliment tossed into the ring, I'm
not Canadian, so I don't know the workings of the Geminis.

Being a watcher, not a writer, I don't usually care who wrote what,
But after watching "Fever" I was so impressed by the premise that
I rewound and re-watched (At 2 am mind you), noting who wrote
it.  I was actually proud  that a woman had written this one.  It was
a great approach on the discrimitory non-chalance of the
public at large towards aids/hiv.  And anything that can shine a little
awareness onto the subject is welcome in my book.

It also reminded me of the book "The Coming Plague" by Laurie Garret,
which I skimmed, but haven't read (it's 750 pages)  And the whole
scary concept that Ole' Mother Earth wants us to depopulate.

I thought everyone was good in this one, even the dreary flashback
scenes were cast wonderfully.  (Speaking of Joan Crawford...though.)
Yes my lovelies, I even enjoyed Vachon in this one.   Nigel was
flawless thru-out, and I was ROTFL at the Raven shot, I replayed it,
like maybe a dozen times already.  Just the look on LaCroix's face
each time Nickie took a drink from his glass alone is priceless.

GWD's played exactly as you would expect, Nick just wanted it *over*.
And Nick had to keep his plight, his disease,  from everyone at work.
That subtle stuff was not lost on me.   That was inteligently thought out,

I enjoyed the Nick & Nat and the Nick and Nat and LC lab shots.  They
were very, well......human.  Nick was beautiful.   LC has seldom been so
vulnerable. Catherine Disher had a hard role, Nat almost survived not
only two people she cares a lot about, but "a race who dares not speak
their name" as well.

I think it played too on the feelings many of us have had when
someone  vital  is dying from Aids. When who are we to judge them,
or even survive them?   The point was spoken well, by Nat (CD) in
the graveyard.

Of course, this has all been nothing more than MHO.

Gehirn Karies
SoulDebris@a.......

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:27:30 -0500
From:    Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Sweet Revenge/EC Faq/and Hair

Tippi,

Please put me down for one.  Let me know what needs to be done to get one!!


Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:47:11 -0800
From:    John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: sc&va

 <199603271841.KAA11711@m.......>

>I don't know.  The three of them-Vachon, Screed and Urs- somehow make me think
>of the Three Stooges (don't ask me how).

Lemme guess.  Vachon=Moe, Screed=Larry, Urs=Curly?  Or should the roles be
reversed between Screed and Urs?  It doesn't suprise me.  Those three do
make a motley bunch.

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:37:37 -0500
From:    Marc Ducorsky <mducorsk@e.......>
Subject: Beta reader request.

Hello,
        I am looking for one or two beta readers for a fiction piece I
am working on.  The job of the beta reader is to.
                1)  Cheak spelling (the e-mail has no spell cheack
                2)  Post fixed text to fkfic-l
                3)  Ask questions and give idead on what happened
                and what might happen.

                The story will be a Nick & Nat story with a bit of
Vashion & Tracy  (Maybe a bit of Nat and Vachion or Nat and LeCroix)
I have a few ideas fighting their way around in the lower region of
my imagination.

                                        -Marc-

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:47:11 -0500
From:    Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's blood type?

Stephanie Babbitt wrote:

>But does anyone know Nick's blood type?

     From what we know of FK Vampires, they seem to be able to assimilate
blood of any type, even non-human, and they seem to be able to give their
blood to anyone.  However, their blood is probably changed on a molecular
level, so that the effects of giving their blood to anyone is rather striking
(instant cures, age reversal, etc.).  For this reason, I doubt that a
Vampires blood could be classified in our current ABO system.  Rh factor and
the other rarer typings might be even messier.
     To quote from "Nine Princes In Amber", "treat me as AB-.  I can take
anything, but don't give mine to anyone."

  <<Lecture mode off>>

     Of course, ther is the small matter of "Night in Question", where the
grievously wounded Officer Knight is brought into the Emergency Room.  Why
didn't they order a 'type and croos-match'?  And if they did, what were the
results?

     I suspect that the last time Nick had a "Blood type" was in 1228, when
blood types didn't exist.  I also suspect that his employment record lists
his as AB-, for the reason quoted above.

  --  Ray
   Newly realized member of the Nat Vamp Camp
    I BELIEVE!!
     Rage!  Rage!  Against the dying of the Knight!

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:54:11 -0800
From:    Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: FK CD

> They chalk the mail-order ones up to the "rabid fan" theory.
               :) "Rabid fans"?  Us?  I'm shocked. :)
Actually, I think this is a job for the Music Man himself, if he's out
there.  Mr. Mollin, where would you like us to buy your CD? (Those of us
who haven't already ordered it, that is...)

***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (Amy R.) r......@w....... *****
"Opinion in good men is but knowledge in the making." -- Milton
    Devoted Knightie, Light Cousin, Repentant Ex-Nevermore

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:49:47 -0500
From:    Marc Ducorsky <mducorsk@e.......>
Subject: Goldeneye I request

Hello,

        Does anyone know where I can get Goldeneye I (1/?) to (?/?)?

                                                Marc

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:42:05 PST
From:    Gary L Warren <garylwarren@j.......>
Subject: Any new Austin/Central Texas FOREVER KNIGHT events, anyone?

I know I asked this a few months ago before switching the FK list to my Juno
beta-testing server, but Teri and I still would like to be informed of ANY
future FK events, conventions or meetings in Austin or Central Texas.


Thanks,



glw
:D

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:15:41 -0600
From:    Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: sc&va

Vanisher commented:

>I don't know.  The three of them-Vachon, Screed and Urs- somehow make me think
>of the Three Stooges (don't ask me how).

But it's obvious!  We've got one bald one, one curly-haired one, and one
with just plain strange hair.  I now have this horrible image of Urs poking
Vachon in the eyes.

Trying desperately not to laugh and make my parents think I'm crazier than
they already do,

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
phoenix@i.......
I came, I saw, I won a goldfish.  ~~Me
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE: The Secret's In The Sauce!

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:15:30 -0800
From:    Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Okay Guys, Enough

Carrie said:
> With each and every foray into the world of FK I have been met with
> nothing but kindness by the other members of this list, with so few
> exceptions that they can be counted on one hand!
      <Applause for Carrie.>
This has been true for me, as well.
I love it here because you are all so thoughtful, compassionate,
intelligent, generous, knowledgeable and creative.  I love how people
usually assume that a mistake is simply a mistake, not an attack, and not
a reason to attack.
Discovering the FK lists was like stumbling into a utopia.
I'm currently trying to patch over my own inadvertent offenses on
fkspoilr, so I know as well as anyone that we have to assume the best of
our fellows, and gently let them know when they've offended us so that
they can explain and apologize.
If we don't remember "what we are and who we come from" <bg> we might
inadvertently destroy the most wonderful community I know: forkni-l.

***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (Amy R.) r......@w....... *****
"Opinion in good men is but knowledge in the making." -- Milton

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:15:42 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Oatmeal

On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Christy Tucker wrote:

> I've noticed that there seems to be some sort of weird oatmeal joke
> associated with FK. <snip>  Could someone please enlighten me?

If I'm not mistaken the oatmeal jokes you

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:16:56 -0500
From:    Lisa Anne Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: SOS: Charity Stuff

Hey, Hey All <insert imaginery emoticon here>

We've had another jump in the Friends of Forever Knight Group
Charity Drive for the Pediatric AIDS Foundation total, so I figured
I should do my job and tell you all what it is <G>.  Didn't want
anyone to think that I forgot about all of you.

Our current total is:           $9,271.50

We're getting closer and closer to that $10,000 mark <smile, hugs,
blue M&Ms and all that>

If you haven't gotten involved yet and would like to, please feel
free to contact me for more details.

Mercenary Cousin Lisa
"God is love.  I don't love you." -- Lucifer in "The Prophecy"

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:55:15 -0330
From:    Paula Hurley <phurley@b.......>
Subject: Episodes still under spoiler protection

It seems to me over the past few days that there have been a lot of posts
questioning which episodes are still under spoiler protection, so if I
may shed a little light on this problem, to my knowledge, following syndication
airing, the following episodes are still under spoiler protection.

Sons Of Belial(airs in repeat in synd. this Saturday)
Strings
Fever
Dead Of Night
Games Vampires Play
Human Factor
Avenging Angel
Fallen Idol

Hope this helps everyone figure out which list to talk about what on,
although it doesn't really bother me where you talk about any episodes to.

Paula

Dark Knightie/
Light Cousin/
Valentine/
Nick&NatPacker/

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:22:08 -0600
From:    D Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire Cranes (wishing crane project)

On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, Jerimi Paul <paul9454@u.......> wrote:
>I've been gone for about a week.  Could someone e-mail me and let me know
>how the crane project is going/went?  Did it just sort of fizzle out or
>something?

No, it didn't 'fizzle out' (she said pseudo-indignantly <g>)  It is in the final
stages of organization. :)

We have a *minimum* of two crane mobiles.  Given that people are still mailing
in cranes, we will probably achieve our original goal of three crane mobiles,
one for each Sony USA exec.  If we end up with a shortfall, I have every
intention of asking our noble List-Folders to contribute the difference.

In aid of that, if you have not *yet* mailed your cranes, please e-mail me and
tell me how many cranes you *will* be mailing.   This is especially important
because the previously issued mailing addresses *may* be changing.

We're coordinating the details now on how/when to deliver the Sony USA mobiles.

Any suggestions, or opinions on whether the List wants to fold a FOURTH crane
mobile, to be sent to SciFi, are welcome.

Opinions? <C'mon, I *know* you all have opinions on *everything*!>  ;)

Diane E
Wishing Crane Project Coordinator
# D Echelbarger                        gryphon@e.......    #
#   WWW HomePage:    http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/      #

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:27:46 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: New Vampires on the Block!

On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Raissa Devereux about debating whether or not to
watch the pilot for that *other* show, wrote:

>  It's not that I have anything against other attempts at
> portraying vamps. It's just that I have this feeling from tv guide
> synopses I've seen that Spelling's treatment will probably make early
> third season fk look highbrow.

<snicker> I just got my new TV Guide....did anyone else see the review in
there for it?

"...I tallied five bloodsucking (and bloodlicking) scenes, and one where
someone cried tears of blood, before I lost count--or consciousness. C.
Thomas Howell is  a befuddled San Francisco cop caught in a war between
five gangs of vampires, most of whom think they're sexy. It's a bloody
mess."

She rated it a 2 (out of 10).

<resigned sigh>...of course that doesn't mean it will go away.

Ans yes Jamie, I know this is an FK list and no talking about that
monstrosity is allowed without somehow relating it to our favorite
vampire show. I'm getting there...

ObFK: I just got my first season eps, thanks to a generous list memeber,
and was thinking, I know LC-lite was a phenomenon of this season and USA
meddling, but was he as...I don't know, sinister? Evil? Second season as
first? And is it my imagination, or did Nigel tone down his accent
substantially in the first season?

Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker: who is *both* a Nick&Natpacker and a Valentine

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:40:28 -0600
From:    Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: NK-LC Faction

Dotti wote in response to Tippi's LC/NK wiping-blood-away-and-eating-it
coometn from Trophy Girl:

>I agree. I remember a bolt of lightening shooting right through me at that
>point and thinking "Wow - what did that little action really mean??" That
>was too deliberate and extremely sexy.

Ummmmm...
OKay.... errr...
OKay, I have to say it!

"Intoxicating, weren't they?"

Thank you, thank you.  Just more silliness from the scrambled brains of...

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
phoenix@i.......
I came, I saw, I won a goldfish.  ~~Me
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE: The Secret's In The Sauce!

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:43:20 -0800
From:    Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: HELP!!!!

>I few days ago, I transcribed LaCroix' monologue for FEVER for someone who
>wanted it for a story.  I THOUGHT I had archived it but now I can find it.

I received it.  Thanks you.


      Cousin Cherri                          Valentine, Sime/Gen, FKLFE
      <cdmunoz@e.......>                     NATPE Strikeforce Survivor

      I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one.    <LaCroix-Father's Day>
                               FOREVER KNIGHT

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:50:25 -0600
From:    Fire And Life Incarnate <NSHEA4371@a.......>
Subject: Anyone in the Birmingham, Alabama area?

Date sent:  27-MAR-1996 17:41:28

This is for anyone in the Birmingham, Alabama area (as stated in the
subject line).
I might be in the area all next week and was wondering if there was anyone
who was interested in meeting the outrageous Dark Phoenix!  E-mail me,
let me know if anyone's interested.

And on another thread . . . I've been seeing a lot of talk about
anonymous posters.  I just wanted to let it be publicly know that I am
a *nice* anon poster.  I have a very good reason for being anonymous,
but it doesn't have anything to do with anyone here.  *IF* (very big
"if") I were to actually stoop to flaming, I wouldn't do it publicly,
and I would have the cojones to sign my actual name.  Hmmf. So there.
Wow, I think I'm getting fiesty here.  I'd better do something about
this. <g>

Later, y'all!

Dark Phoenix - Cosmic Avatar For Hire
Member of the Mercinary Guild
"Hey, even a primal force of the universe has to make a living!" - Me.
Quality blackmail, reasonable rates.

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:57:26 -0600
From:    Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Off topic quickie

The Mad Fax Spammer noted:

>sub to for the <gasp> Quantum Leap list?? I caught the vamp episode,
>and realized, of all the completely unrelated things, that I want
>THAT dress.

Okay, okay,  not about what was originally asked, but wasn't the vamp's name
Nigel?  Or am I thinking of one of my own stories?

Still half-asleep and not really sure what counts as on-topic anymore,

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter member of the as-yet unnamed LaCroix/Nick Fractured Fraction.
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE: The Secret's In The Sauce!

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:52:10 -0600
From:    Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Feedback from the Dominion...

>>>You would be surprised what's on video.  You have to check at stores
> that sell videos only.

>But Teri and I do check the video stores in Austin

They aren't likely to carry everything in the store itself (shelf space),
but Blockbuster has a catalog of available videos, and they will order
stuff for you. They were also very nice about helping me figure out how
to use the catalog. So, there's probably tons more stuff on video than
anyone is aware of.
Still, I'd like to see FK spend some time on the Sci-Fi channel and get
even more fans before it goes to video.

Margie (treeleaf@i.......)

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:11:56 -0500
From:    Jean Graham <JeanB7@a.......>
Subject: Character names

I suppose it's probably long ago already been pointed out that someone who
named these characters (James Parriot?) has a thoroughly wicked sense of
irony.  Anybody ever go name-dictionary/word-origin crawling for any of
these?

Nicholas -- Greek -- "Victory of the people"
Janine -- from Heb. Jane -- "God's gracious gift"
Lucien -- Latin -- "Light"
LaCroix -- French -- "The Cross"

and not particularly ironic, but mildly amusing:

Natalie -- Latin -- "Child of Christmas"

Just digging through too many dictionaries in my copious spare time...

 --Jean Graham      JeanB7@a.......
                "Be Alert:  Lerts Live Longer."

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:28:14 -0500
From:    Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: LIST RULE: NEW

        Bravo.  The most wonderful quality of this fandom is its
civility.. okay, its sheer niceness.  (My personal contribution to this
atmosphere of niceness is that I don't immediately flame everyone who
puts an apostrophe into a possessive its, i.e., "it's sheer niceness.")

It's (see, that's where the apostrophe should go) too bad that this has
to be enforced, but better that than a repeat of finkery along the lines
of the NotTour post.

Apache

"Don't be mean.  We don't have to be mean." -- Buckaroo Banzai

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:29:22 -0500
From:    Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Okay Guys, Enough

Alora,

I just want you to know that you are one of the true joys of this list. I do
so enjoy your humor and good nature. Please keep it up, we all need it. Me
especially, some days, it's the difference between smiling and moping. I
really appreciate it.

Carrie

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:29:29 -0500
From:    Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: "Forebodings"

In a message dated 96-03-27 15:07:31 EST, Marg wrote:

> So many different voices; such dulcet tones. In
>the dark, in bed, with his voice whispering through my earphones - you
>guys can have Ger's butt, I just want his voice....
>
>
Oh no you don't. You have to share. You just have to. So there.

Carrie,
Proud Knightie

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:30:13 -0500
From:    Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Hi folks!!

In a message dated 96-03-27 14:53:17 EST, you write:

>Boy, did I miss you guys!!
>
>Dotti R
>Knightie 4-Ever
>
>
>

Hi Dotti!!!

Welcome back. :)=

Carrie,
Proud Knightie

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:30:11 -0500
From:    Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Popcorn Scene

This scene happens at the end of (tag) the ep entitled "False Witness". The
ep is about Nick's intention to tell a lie about a shooting he did not see.
His cop buddies wanted him to stick to the lie and put a bad guy away. Nick
couldn't tell the lie in a court of law. He had lied at first, but then was
unable to go through with it. Nat was proud of him. A one liner that I liked
from this ep was "I'm eight hundred years old Nat, I think I know the
difference between right and wrong." As it turned out, he did.

Anyway, the popcorn scene at the end went something like this:

Nick and Nat are in his apartment watching King Kong. The movie ends and Nick
notices that Nat is crying over the sad ending. He laughs. She wants to know
how he can laugh at that. He tells her he is laughing at HER crying over a
forty foot gorilla. She then changes the subject by asking "Has the world
forgiven you yet for telling the truth?" Nick says it's getting there and
moves to sit down on the other end of the couch from where Nat is sitting.
Nat leans to pick up some more pop corn and asks Nick what happened to a
person he had told her about that was in the flashback for the ep. When she
turns back towards Nick he bares his fangs and snarls at her. She screams and
then throws the pop corn in her hands at him and tells him to "Stop that." He
laughs. End.

It is a great scene.

Carrie,
Proud Knightie

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:16:27 -0800
From:    John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Forever Knight: The Next Generation

What do you guys think?  It could be possible... It might be possible...

<I have an evil grin as I'm writing this.>

This could be done with a few unusal twists, let's say, the vampire could
work in the morgue.  From time to time there could be cameo appearances or
guests from the original series.  You can look at it like Forever Knight
with a Quincy twist.

John

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:22:53 -0800
From:    John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: NK-LC Faction

 <199603272110.NAA26639@m.......>
>#: At 11:54 AM 3/26/96 CST, Cousin Tippy wrote:
>   >
>   > When I watch the scene in Trophy Girl where LC wipes the
>   >blood off NK's chin and then licks it off his finger, the LAST thing I'm
>   >thinking is "Aww, look, Daddy's wiping baby's chin off!" ;)  Of course,
>   >I may just be really twisted. ;)
>
>   I agree. I remember a bolt of lightening shooting right through me at that
>   point and thinking "Wow - what did that little action really mean??" That
>   was too deliberate and extremely sexy.

Yuck!  I sort of saw it as sort of animalistic.  Kind of like licking the
bowel after one is finished.  Is there a book for vampire table manners?
It did not register as something sexy.  But then again, it could be one
of those girl things, guys would never understand.  :)

John

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:42:23 -0500
From:    Calliope <usleamys@u.......>
Subject: Re: Hand?

>>Anyone want to claim a dead hand?
>
>Only if it's attached to Nick, LaCroix or Vachon. <evil grin>

Hee hee hee ... the Dead Man's Hand!

Thanks to all who commented on What Kay Did.  I was curious and hadn't been
paying too much attention a while back.

What station is Airwolf on?  I thought that I found it, and then it turned
out to be the original Airwolf.

Non-FK:  Anyone out there read DC Vertigo Comics' title PREACHER?  There's
this awesome Irish vamp in it named Cassidy, and he just really kicks *ss.
I thought that all you vamp lovers might like to know.  Be forewarned,
though:  PREACHER is not for the faint of heart; it has lots and lots of
naughty bits, not nice language, and violent death.  Especially at the
hands of Cassidy; he doesn't have any fangs, just normal teeth, so if he
wants to feed he just rips somebody's throat out.  The PREACHER trade
paperback, "Gone to Texas," is in comic stores around now.


Cathy
usleamys@u.......

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:34:42 -0600
From:    Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: HELP!!!  I NEED FK TO RESTORE MY SANITY!!!!!

<HEEEEE-heee HEEEEE-heeeee>  Fox just showed an "only 5 more days"
commercial for Kindred.  I literally screamed out loud!  Luckily, my parents
are gone eating.  <whimper> Oh, god, this makes Uncle's "Getting Naked"
speech look dignified!  There's gonna be fanfic on this, and Spelling's NOT
gonna like it.  I gotta go use my inhalers now.  Geez, havin' an asthma
attack over dis...

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Camera Fanatic of the Thong Throng
Charter member of the as-yet unnamed LaCroix/Nick Fractured Fraction.
phoenix@i.......
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE: The Secret's In The Sauce!

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:41:02 -0500
From:    Diane Shea <KerrRaven@a.......>
Subject: About Fever<<grrrrrr>>

Cp wrote;
>>I saw "Fever" last week. It just sucked! I will not go into detales,
because i'm not sure if it is off spoliers yet, but who ever wrote that
should be shot.
Cp-<<

Since I hate it when people's opinions are repressed I will not go into how
your opinion of this ep makes me bristle with rage <sending mental image of
my friend's dog who does a damned good bristling act>, but I *will* complain
about your violent advice on the fate of the writer.  As far as most people
on this list are concerned, Ms. Gillian Horvath has made some fine
contributions to this series, and does not deserve a bullet for her troubles.
 The only thing I'll say about Fever here is that she managed to give most of
the characters some kind of important or meaningful role, a task which I have
not seen replicated in any of the episodes following it so far.
If all this has already been said 100 times, well sorrrry, I'm on digest.
--Respectfully yours,
Cousin Diane (aka Bristlwulf for the moment)

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:43:55 -0500
From:    Diane Shea <KerrRaven@a.......>
Subject: Nick/LC, eroticism, Divia, blood

Sandra writes;
>>I've always thought that LC has more than "fatherly" feelings for Nick.  I
don't think Nick either has or wants to return those feelings.  Nick seems
more heterosexual in his desires; LC seems more homosexual in his.<<

Well sometimes I ask myself why the heck LaCroix has bothered trying to get
Nick to listen to him for over 700 years, and what did he see in him in the
first place.  Don't get me wrong, Nick is great in his own way, in both nice
and nasty mode, but what on earth would someone like LC want with him??  LC
was around for quite a while when he first saw Nick.  I'm sure he'd met quite
a few more intellectually challenging and intriguing people worthy of his
attention.  He'd already found Janette, who turned out to be a wonderful
daughter as far as following the vampire way.  I can understand that he'd
want a son, as the patriarchal society he grew up in would tend to encourage.
 But why Nick?  These questions lead me to ask "Besides a need for rebellion
and, at times, a pathetic look of confusion, what does Nick have?"  My answer
is usually "A good looking package and a sensual nature."  Now what would
LaCroix want with that?  Well, isn't that the question.  Because of all the
semi-erotic innuendoes actually shown on the show (well at least that's how
they come across to me and Tippi, Dotti, Sandra, etc) I begin to believe that
at some level theirs is more than simply a platonic or parent/child
relationship.  *But* to see a different side to it, I also get the feeling
that LaCroix truly enjoys making *everyone* nervous, and that's certainly one
way of doing it!  He tends to act somewhat erotic towards everything;
Janette, Nat, Schanke, the waitresses at the Raven, the microphone,
everything, not just Nick!  (This might be a trait inherited from Divia!  My
impression was that Lucius, as a mortal, didn't act like he does after he
becomes a vampire.  Divia on the other hand, was acting more than a little
strange for a child, even a vampire child.  Perhaps she influenced him,
instead of what would/should have been the other way around, since he was her
mortal father.  Just a thought.)  Not to mention that after Nick caused him
so much annoyance, and pain, what would there be that still attracted LC to
him so strongly?  That would seem to prove the father/son relationship is the
core of it.  Lovers may give up after awhile, but to abandon one's own child
is hard.

Dotti writes in regards to Trophy Girl;
>>I agree. I remember a bolt of lightening shooting right through me at that
point and thinking "Wow - what did that little action really mean??" That was
too deliberate and extremely sexy.<<
It's a bit hard to deny that there is *nothing* of a sexual nature going
through LC's mind in a scene like that (and I'm not trying to), but just
remember that whenever LaCroix sees blood anywhere he tends to claim it for
himself.  In the flashback in Unreality TV he takes the blood from the dying
soldier's hand and licks it.  In Be My Valentine, when Fleur pricks her
finger on the rose's thorn you can see almost an instinctual reaction in LC
as he "takes care of it" for her.  So in Trophy Girl, since Nick did steal a
victim/meal he'd been carefully preparing, you can bet he'd see it as his
right to taste what *was* his.  If I were in his place I'd probably drain
Nick right after that.  Admittedly it wouldn't be the same as the pure "honey
and wine" of the original, but it might teach Nick some manners.

I think that the best case for NK/LC factioners would be in the scene in
Dying for Fame (Canadian cut only???) where Nick is fantasizing, dreaming,
vaguely flashing back (I never quite figured out which one it was) when he's
in jail (a symbolic jail probably) and LaCroix is the warden.  When LC gently
touches Nick's face it is a gesture that suggests parental concern with
erotic overtones.  The fact that Nick didn't pull away from this touch might
just prove he's receptive to whatever LC may offer, but it might also simply
mean that Nick was just interested in getting out of his confinement, and was
oblivious to any suggestive actions of LaCroix.  Knowing Nick, it's probably
the latter.  *But* it is still Nick's subconscious or whatever creating this
whole scene in which LC acts more than a little like a master of B&D than a
master of vampires:) which shows that Nick, on some level, is aware of the
"complexities" of their relationship.  But this is just my interpretation.
 Others may see it quite differently.  Although, for those who have seen it,
I challenge anyone to give a completely non-erotic explanation of that
particular gesture of LaCroix's.
I guess I feel the intention of these scenes is to show that vampires are
capable of experiencing the same forbidden/unusual feelings or desires that
humans have, but it may not have the same meaning to them as it would to us.
 Whatever attraction there is between LC and Nick, be it platonic, erotic,
parent/child, master/progeny, one sided, or mutual, it is obviously very
complex, and can quite possibly change to suit the situation at hand (as can
everything in this show since "they don't do continuity!":)

Once again, since the digest takes it's sweet time in getting to me
sometimes, I'm sorry if this echoes any recent posts sent in the last few
days.
That was certainly long enough I think.
--Cousin Diane
Relentless Valentine

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:50:25 -0500
From:    Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: LIST RULES: List Rules?

Somebody, on one or more of the lists, asked about getting a copy of the
list rules...

My fault.  I promised, when I first became an assistant listowner (thank
you, Jaye!  I think...) that I would prepare a "Welcome" file to be
automatically distributed to every new listmember when they signed on.

I asked some people to help me, and they did; they sent me their work, and
I intended to do whatever needed to be done to finalize it, and somehow it
didn't happen.

My fault.  I'm sorry.

I'll get working on that right away.  In the meantime, could someone please
post the net address of the most recent list FAQ?  (Netscape seems to have
eaten my bookmark file <insert frantic sound of anguish here>)

And for the newer listmembers -- hi, all! -- a brief summary of the List
Rules (in no particular order):

1) Sigs five lines or less,
2) Quote no more than four lines of a post you're replying to,
3) Only fiction goes on the fiction list,
4) Recent episodes stay on the spoiler list; when in doubt, assume it's a
spoiler,
5) NO FLAMING,
6) Language kept to PG-13 standards,
7) Treat others as you would want to be treated.

Pretty much sums up the important stuff, no?

--
Jamie M.R. -- Asst. Listowner/Mommy/Nag, FORKNI-L etc.
Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
"These are the opposites of commandments,
cheery /yes/es that rattle on the sidewalk at our feet
like beads popped off a string." -- L.F.

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:06:27 -0800
From:    Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Help!

I'm being punished for something.  I just know it. :)
        My filter program self-destructed.
        Everything not on disk is gone.  Everything.  Aaargh!
        Bonnie, write me!!!  Vicki, Lisa, Alora, Kat, Cynthia... anyone who
ever wants to hear from me again. :)  Tippi, can I have new copies of EC
and ECII?  Sandra, can I please have copies of your "All I Have to Give"
and the "BMV" piece?  I promise I'll keep hard copies from now on...  And
Janette, pretty please with chocolate sprinkles, will you send me that
last installment of "Always" so I can finish beta-reading?
        Jamie, I was going to respond to your note, but it's gone, too.
        Ugh.  And as I only saved them in the program, I've lost all
FAQs, all list rules posts...
        I think I'd better go grab some dinner before I bash in my monitor...

***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (Amy R.) r......@w....... *****
"Opinion in good men is but knowledge in the making." -- Milton
    Devoted Knightie, Light Cousin, Repentant Ex-Nevermore

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:09:15 -0500
From:    Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Airwolf... another familiar face

        Did anyone tape (or even see) the episode that has Ger and Ben
Bass in the same scene?  It has someone else saying a line like "just
pretend you're looking for clean socks" or something like that.

        According to the interview he gave in the BBFC newsletter, it was
Ben Bass' first onscreen anything; he's an extra in the background
somewhere, a soldier who walks up a hill.  He was something like 18 at
the time, so I wouldn't be expecting sheer animal magnetism to jump off
the screen or anything -- but you never know.  <g>

Laura/Apache



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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:09:44 -0500
From:    Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick on Prozac

On March 12, Kimberly Njarkman wrote:

>In not-infrequent cases, Prozac has been known to bring out "savage"
tendencies.

Also on March 12, Apache wrote:

>Wrong, undocumented rumor.  Wrong, wrong, wrong.  Spread, apparently,
>by the <alleged> Church of Scientology. <snip>

     Speaking as someone who knows from personal experience, Kimberly is
right and Apache is wrong.  On May 15, 1992, I was put on Prozac for
depression.  Twice in June I complained to my doctor that I was having a
problem with a "short fuse" which was getting shorter and shorter.  My doctor
informed me that Prozac does not have that effect on people.  On June 27,
1992, I was hospitalized for homicidal tendencies.
     I have not touched Prozac or its "cousins" (Zoloft, Paxil, Effexor)
since, and I warn people about Prozac every chance I get, which is why I'm
taking up bandwidth with this off-topic post.
     Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Prozac should be taken off the
market, it has worked "miracles" for some people.  I'm just saying that
people should be aware of the dangers, most especially the doctors prescibing
it.
     Oh yes - Apache, I have no connection with the Church of Scientology
beyond the fact that I like L. Ron Hubbard's science-fiction books.

     ObFK:  If Natalie were so incautious as to put a prescription drug into
Nick's protein shakes, she wouldn't be practicing medicine for long.

  -- Ray

     When did this become Pharmacy-L, anyway?

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:22:26 -0500
From:    Kira Chistiakoff <AloraKira@a.......>
Subject: hi everybody, at long last!

I just wanted to get on here, and let everybody know that at long last, I am
online, you no longer have to be hearing from me in the third
person...anyway...just wanted to say hi!

Kira Chistiakoff--Vaquera/merc

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Date:    Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:14:33 -0800
From:    John Soo-Hoo <galahad!jsoohoo@n.......>
Subject: Re: Oh, help.

 <199603280015.QAA05511@m.......>
>> I need the ONE word that best describes the following characters:
>   May I try?  My opinions only, mind you, and partly kidding...
>           Janette: elegant
>           Nick: anguished
>           Natalie: walled
A wailer.
>           Tracy: blond
Naive

>           Vachon: rootless
Slacker or irresponsible

>           Urs: passive
>           La Croix: malignant
>   :) Now, if Nat's blood is cinnamon-apple and honeysuckle, what was
>   Janette's when she was mortal?

Hmm... I would guess that Janette would be like a fine rare wine.  I think
that is how LaCroix has refered to woman.

> And do you think it would change if
>>   someone became a vampire and then regained mortality?

Wouldn't care to guess... nothing to work with because she has been the
only one to regain her mortality.

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