FORKNI-L
Digest - 27 Mar 1996 - Special issue
Wed, 27 Mar 1996
There are 37 messages totalling 1003 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Suggestion for NK+LC couple faction
2. Nick and Religious Icons (3)
3. List Rules
4. lots of things, really (4)
5. Toronto organizers
6. Not shooting flames :)
7. Nat's notebook
8. My Own Private Toronto
9. YKYB... (2)
10. Just wondering
11. Where to Find Old Wars
12. I'm back! And questions.
13. NK-LC Faction
14. DC: Email Newsweek!!! (fwd)
15. Okay Guys, Enough (2)
16. HELP!!!! (2)
17. Starlog letter
18. TAN: Newsweek
19. Nick and Natalie
20. Goldeneyes on fkfic-l
21. Couples Factions: A New One!
22. Nick&Nat, Nat&LC
23. Oatmeal
24. Evil is as evil does
25. YKYBW/OLTMW
26. Spring Cleaning
27. Vamps and sexual preferences
28. Couples factions
29. I'm mad as heck
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:20:34 CST
From: Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Re: Suggestion for NK+LC couple faction
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix wrote:
FO>Does anyone else have the sudden urge to call this faction the Greek
FO>Double-E's? Yah, it's Greek. Latin doesn't have the same sound structure
I dunno. That's a bit cumbersome on the tongue. The whole *eronomoi*
and *erastes* thing kind of describes that whole relationship, if ya ask
me. I'll get back to ya once I've had my coffee. ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi, member of The Thong Throng!
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)
SWEET REVENGE is on the way! Ask me about it!
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:24:20 CST
From: Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Nick and Religious Icons
Kim Ivey wrote:
FO> vampires are repelled by religious icons, why wasn't Nick repelled by the
FO> Buddha. We know for a fact is repelled by crosses. He was also repelled b
FO> the Raven knife in "Blackwing." And I believe there was an episode where he
That's an interesting question. Hmm. Maybe because it was a "cursed"
sort of thing? I mean, it WAS called the *black* Buddha instead of the
"happy cheery bright Buddha". So maybe it was considered an
anti-religious symbol?
Good question, Kim!
Wicked Cousin Tippi, member of The Thong Throng!
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)
SWEET REVENGE is coming! Ask me about it!
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:27:08 PST
From: Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Subject: List Rules
Hi,
Could somebody please forward me the list rules. I know I have already violated
one rule, and I don't want to offend anyone by not followin the rules.
Thanks,
Kim Ivey <kivey@c.......>
Just a non-factional FK fan
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:31:04 CST
From: Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Re: lots of things, really
Dottie wrote:
FO>Hmmm - since Fever is one of the best liked episodes of the third season
FO>(and I believe it is off spoiler protection as it has been repeated) you
FO>must tell us why you think it - er - "sucked".
Yes, but on the FKSPOILR list please. :) Just a reminder to some new
listers out there: Fever, Games Vampires Play, Fallen Idol, and
Avenging Angel are still under spoiler protection. Oh, and Human
Factor, too. Is that all? Thanks!
Wicked Cousin Tippi, member of The Thong Throng!
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)
SWEET REVENGE is coming! Ask me about it!
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:45:29 -0500
From: Linda Simon <lsimon@h.......>
Subject: Toronto organizers
Lynne, Will, others:
I'm stunned to read postings of ingratitude for your volunteer activities on
behalf of the fans. If the February tour went wrong--well, there are
respectful ways to provide useful feedback. That acerbic posting was out of
line.
I am very appreciative of your organizing and of all the information you
have sent this newbie. I wish you well and look forward to meeting you.
Linda Simon
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:00:02 EST
From: LIsa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Not shooting flames :)
>because i'm not sure if it is off spoliers yet, but who ever wrote that
>should be shot.
I don't remember who wrote this. I'm quoting from someone else's quote.
As a former assistant listowner and as a current member who is
concerned about the atmosphere on Forkni-l, I have to comment.
Please, don't take this for a flame -- I think I remember that the poster
was new to the list. If not, we can all use a reminder from time to time.
On Forkni-l, we don't make posts like that. It's one thing to state as
the post did earlier, that Fever sucks. That's an opinion, although we
usually phrase opinions more elegantly and offer reasons why we think
so. It's another to make a personal attack on the author. We don't do
that at all because it's related to flames and it's an ironclad given
here that Jaye doesn't allow flames. She never has, going back to our
first, long since departed, flamester in 1993.
We are all friends here, or at least we try to be. It might be a good
idea to add that the author of Fever, Gillian Horvath, is a lovely
person with a great sense of humor who has been known to read the FK
lists. She has several good friends on Forkni-l. No, not me; I've only
met her once in passing and would be surprised if she remembered my
me.
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:13:33 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nat's notebook
On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Muldy Sculler wrote:
> I disagree with Catherine's assessment that Nick was looking at Nat's lab
> notebook. I have an excellent copy of OtL. He is looking at Nat's
> general calender--"laundry" and "baby shower" are quite clear.
I've been told that the scene of Nick in the morgue looking at a notebook
on Nat's desk is only in the Canadian versions. Later in the episode he
is in Nat's apartment and is looking at her datebook.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:01:45 -0600
From: Ashley West <UAMWEST@m.......>
Subject: My Own Private Toronto
Hi fellow list members!
I just got back from a wonderful trip to Toronto and Montreal. In
general, my favorite city was TO, but not because of FK or anything :) I was
perplexed, though, by the fact that I didn't see anything to indicate that FK
was even filmed or shown there. Sure, I got some info on filming sites from the
list but as far as promotion in the city, I saw none. So I came up with my own
list of things that reminded me that FK was filmed there:
5. I got to look around the Royal Ontario Museum (i.e. "Nick Knight"). My
travel companion wondered why I kept looking at the ceiling. I told her I was
expecting Micheal Nader to come flying through it. This left her *very*
perplexed.
4. Lots and lots of Freedent ads in the front of convience stores with a
vampire lady wearing exagerated fangs. BTW, these were also in abundance in
Montreal, except they are in French.
3. The Brick Warehouse. I was surprised to find out this is an actual legit
funiture store, and not a "Knightie" form of the Raven.
2. I actually got to bum around the Raven. I didn't go inside, however. It was
8:00 in the morning when I walked by it. But the point is I "felt" the vibes :>
1. I *finally* got to see the infamous Oatmeal commercial!! This was the
highlight of my trip (and I do mean trip).
Thanks to all who volunteered to help me in TO. I appreciated it!
Cousin Ashley
uamwest@m.......
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:03:28 -0600
From: Annmarie McKee- Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: YKYB...
At 06:56 PM 3/26/96 -0500, (LoosCanN@a.......) wrote:
>YKYB letting your kids watch too much FK, when the 7 year old comes in and
>says, "Okay, we're pretending we're vampires and I'm a good guy vampire like
>Nick. And you made me, so you're like LaCroix. Except not so bossy."
Ya gotta love it! Last night my son took a bmp of LC and incorporated it
into his Spiderman Cartoon maker. In this you are able to create animated
movies. He entitled it "Trapped In Toronto" and had the bmp of LC in the
background and Spiderman and the X-Men attacking his head. LC brought
Spiderman over (now, theres a fan-fic waiting to happen!) and then Spiderman
went on to terrorize the evil characters in the Marvel Universe. But when it
came to the "biting" part, he had the screen go blank with a message, "The
preceding was too horrorific for your viewing" !
Thanks to Susan Garrett for the files and for teaching me how to convert
them to bmp's. We're having a blast!
Annmarie
Save FOREVER KNIGHT! E-mail me or visit the homepage
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
FOREVER KNIGHT will be on shown on the SciFi Channel starting in April!
Cousin, Vachon Ogler, MPPB,MFW-Cavalry: "We're tougher than we look!"
***The Mother of Invention *had* to have been a single mother!***
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:48:17 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Just wondering
In a message dated 96-03-27 07:01:44 EST, LaurieCF wrote:
>versions. I believe confusion has occurred because although all the
>Canadian versions are longer than the US versions, some Canadian
>versions are longer than other Canadian versions (just to further
>complicate matters). <g>
This makes sense to me. The Canadian version of OtL that I have does indeed
have Nick at Nat's desk in the morgue, he finds the notebook, but Grace
supposedly interrupts him before he reads it, the scene shows him about to
open it and then putting it back on the desk hurriedly when Grace bursts in.
The closeup scene described in the transcript is missing. There must be more
than one Canadian version. Bummer...
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
Carrie400@a.......
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:57:21 -0800
From: choff@v.......
Subject: Re: Nick and Religious Icons
On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Wicked One wrote, along with Kim Ivey:
> FO> vampires are repelled by religious icons, why wasn't Nick repelled by the
> FO> Buddha.
And
> I mean, it WAS called the *black* Buddha instead of the
> "happy cheery bright Buddha". So maybe it was considered an
> anti-religious symbol?
Technically speaking, Buddhist icons are not religious objects. In other
words, Buddhists don't WORSHIP statues of Buddha, they just make them out
of reverence.
At the time this episode first aired, a few people who are more Buddhist
than I am (only nominally a Buddhist meditator) had some pretty good
stuff to say on this subject, including that fact that that "Buddha"
wasn't actually a Buddha, but probably a Tara of some kind.
Are you guys still here?
Cynthia
choff@v.......
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:36:46 -0500
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject: Where to Find Old Wars
I've received a number of questions about where to find old war compilations.
Darkangel's fiction page has a section on the first two wars, the direct URL
being:
http://www.evil.org/fkfic/war.html
You can also get the first two wars and war 3 and 4 from the ForKni-L FTP site:
ftp.cac.psu.edu/pub/people/lms5/fkstories/fkwars/
The fifth and most recent war is currently being compiled.
And if anyone else wants to help with putting together a war web page, feel
free to drop me a line. Thanks for the offers of help I've received so far!
Also, if there's something you'd like to see on that page, drop me a line.
Suggestions are always welcome!
Regards
susang@v....... -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
Faithful Ravenette, because somebody STILL has to.
Discover the power of Forever Knight at
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:45:16 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: I'm back! And questions.
On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Carrie Krumtum wrote, about the inscription on
Nick's Birthday card to Nat in OtL:
> Dear Natalie,
> Happy Birthday
> With Affection,
> Nick
Pfff....and people *wonder* why Nat seems so annoyed with Nick....
"With affection"...sheesh...
I don't even write that on cards to my step-mother...
With affection,
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:07:06 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: lots of things, really
On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, colin paddock wrote:
> Also, I had this fliped out dream last night, I was watching FK, but
> it was called "Tracy and Her Vamp Friends" The theme song was the theme song
> to the carebears, but it was sung by Kenny G. It Looked the same, though,
> execpt that tracy was bald.
Yikes! Somebody *please* tell me how to get *that* mental picture to go
away!!!
Although, Carebears seem oddly appropriate for Tracy...but bald?
Now *I'm* not going to be able to go to sleep.
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:33:27 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: NK-LC Faction
>I don't think their relationship has been all
>that paternal. When I watch the scene in Trophy Girl where LC wipes the
>blood off NK's chin and then licks it off his finger, the LAST thing I'm
>thinking is "Aww, look, Daddy's wiping baby's chin off!"
I do think their relationship is a paternal one; it's just not the sort of
paternal relationship you'd see on "The Waltons."
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:48:15 -0500
From: John Ewan <jwe@m.......>
Subject: DC: Email Newsweek!!! (fwd)
Information from another maillist:
"... todays (3/26/96) issue of Newsweek, in the cyberscope section, they
want to know some good mailing lists, ...send them an email telling what
yours is. (They are going to have an article in the future about pros/cons
between mailing lists and newsgroups)...the email is cscope@n......."
Perhaps this will be of use to the SFK effort. In addition to mentioning
this list <the fiction list also> it could be mentioned about the effort to
save the show, the Magnificent Seven's work at Vegas, et al; might be worthy
of inclusion in the later article. <g>
John Ewan; The Ratpack Merc, <Screed, we hardly knew ye!>
"When ya got a job so dirty only a Cousin coulda thunk it up... I'm the rat
to see it gets done!" Payment in Hershey's chocolate, or mini-brew beer; I
may be scum, but, I've got *good* taste!
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:58:13 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Okay Guys, Enough
Okay, I'm placing my head on the chopping block and unlocking my back door...
Lately, I've got to admit, the tone of the list has been, well, hurt. The
flames, the unknowing laughter at anothers expense, the innocent blunders of
newbies, etc, etc.
I'm pretty new, although I have officially dropped the newbie tag. I have no
extended history on this list or some others do. But, my experience on the
list has had an incredible impact on me. Let's see, since I've been on list
I've managed to aquire ALL of the previous unseen eps (I have copied only the
last 12 from my own TV), that's 50 eps guys, 50! These from people I have
never met, I even got a refund from someone who told me I had overpaid the
cost of tapes and postage (Hi N.!!! <waving to ya>). I have participated in
the flyer campaign, the letter writing campaign, the contact your syndie
campaign, the wishing crane effort (Hi Nancy, the senior partner in a joint
effort in this regard) the fanclub membership thing and dabbled a little in
the fanfic thing. With each and every foray into the world of FK I have been
met with nothing but kindness by the other members of this list, with so few
exceptions that they can be counted on one hand!
I have enjoyed, immensely, the ongoing banter between those old timers on the
list with obvious history, Wicked Cousin Tippi's ESP, the allusion to wars
and the rumors of wars, the ongoing discussion of the 'we agree to disagree'
type that seem to encompass the new eps that touch us all deeply, move us
like no other show has done in some time. I have rather enjoyed the fanfic,
the hilarity, the sadness at the news of the cancellation but the resilience
and conviction of the members of this list.
As a newbie, I made mistakes, after all, cyberspace IS a bold new world. The
members of this list kindly, gently, took my by the hand and helped to make
me feel safe and teach me the ways of the net. For which, I bow to you all in
humble thanks. But, still, I make mistakes. I took the Tour Guide Flame post
as just another post in the ongoing barb laden jesting post that so obviously
goes on between the veteran members of the list. I laughed. I now realize
(and have sent apologiy to Will) that this post was a flame, and that my
response was inappropriate. Okay, sic hand after me. Sic Uncle after me.
Whatever. Just let me say, that those of us very new to the list can suffer
from incredulity in these matters. How are we supposed to know? Perhaps if I
had analized the post more carefully...Perhaps if I had tried to read it with
Will's eyes, put myself in his position? But, I don't know Will, I don't know
Lynn, I don't know Marg. I don't know the person or persons who posted the
message. But I'd like too. I really would.
Now, none of you know me. You have no way of knowing if I'm on the level or
not. That's fair. But, I'm willing to state in public, and for the record
(and have done so in the past) that I do trust you all. I have spent hundreds
of dollars planning to go to TO in the hopes of meeting you. I do not want to
go and spend the days in my room, take a cab to the theater, ogle GER, laugh
with Shakespeare, and go home. No. I want to go to TO, spend as much time as
is humanly possible with great people, go to the theater, ogle GER, laugh
with Shakspeare, meet Ger, spend as much time as possible with great people
and come home. Those are my objectives. Period.
I have friendships that have been cultivated on this list that transend
cyberspace, (Hi Nancy! Hi Dotti!). Although I have never participated in a
war, been to a FK party (to be remedied soon thanks to Susan), ever met even
one of you in person, etc, etc, I have participated on this list. Sometimes
my post are even noteworthy to some of you, you quote me! Boy, what a kick to
a newbie. To have someone else read what you post and find you funny, or
challenging. That's why we're all here isn't it? Because we really like each
others company? Because it IS a thrill to be noticed, appreciated? I think
so. And I appreciate each and every one of you. Honest.
And to Will, Lynn, Marg, Bea, Allison, Marcia (if I'm leaving someone out,
please forgive, I am mentally stretched at the moment), for all the help in
organizing the Shrewthering... YOU GUYS ARE JUST AWESOME!!!! There is no
other way to put it. Especially the TO crew...Man oh man oh man oh man. What
a great group of people. You see, unlike Schanke, I believe in sweetness and
light happy endings. And I want this list to believe in them too.
If you've offended, apologize. If you've been offended, forgive. If there is
a right, report it. If there is a wrong, try to help correct it. If in doubt,
give the benefit of the doubt. When you are happy, laugh and share. When you
are sad, cry and share. When you can, console. When you can't, pray. These
are my philosophies. Shared with the ONLY intention of letting you all know
how I feel. There are no flames here. Just a very simple manifesto. I really
do appreciate you all.
ObFK: I rewatched POTM. Isn't there a message there for us? Even when we're
angry or hurt, we're still the best friends each of us has got? Well, I'm
beginning to think so. I sure hope you all do too.
With genuine affection,
Carrie, Proud (Very Proud) Knightie and member of the list!!!
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:16:37 -0800
From: Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: HELP!!!!
I few days ago, I transcribed LaCroix' monologue for FEVER for someone who
wanted it for a story. I THOUGHT I had archived it but now I can find it.
This monologue has become one of my favorites. It gives me chills everytime
I hear it.
So could that someone send me a copy of it or if you have it transcribed,
could you send me that copy, please.
Thank you,
Cousin Cherri Valentine, Sime/Gen, FKLFE
<cdmunoz@e.......> NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
FOREVER KNIGHT
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:00:11 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Starlog letter
>Peter's reply:
>I would love to do more on FK but as I'm sure you know, the show has not been
>renewed. Sometimes we do stories with the principals of cancelled popular
>shows to get their perspectives on the cancellation.
I don't really want to see articles on perspectives on cancellation in Starlog.
Didn't Starlog do story after story and interview after interview on the
original Star Trek, many, many years after the show was cancelled, or were all
those only related to the Star Trek movies?
I'd like to see "real" articles in Starlog about Forever Knight. Granted, the
show is not in production, but the Sci-Fi channel will be showing reruns, and
there are lots of us who have not yet seen the earlier episodes, as well as
people who will be seeing Forever Knight for the first time on the Sci-Fi
channel.
Hmmm... Maybe this is the sort of letter I should be writing to StarLog. But
I'm not sure it will help. Did I read somewhere that Starlog has something to
do with Paramount, who owns Star Trek (like maybe Paramount publishes
Starlog)? But did I also read that Paramount had some part in the deal that
finally got the Sci-Fi channel up and running? Does anybody know?
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:22:31 -0500
From: Beth Washington <Beth_Washington@a.......>
Subject: TAN: Newsweek
I know we get a lot of attention on our own for Forever Knight <grin>,
but I just read this on the Lois & Clark mailing list:
>Just read this in Newsweek:
>"Are you bypassing the raucous flame wars on the Net in favor of
>mailing lists (discussion groups conducted over e-mail instead of
>bulletin boards)? Send us the names of your favorite mailing lists
>(e-mail cscope@n.......); we'll publish the best."
>(April 1, 1996, page 10)
Send 'em your favorite list names and tell them why!
-Cousin Beth
aka Biffer
------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is good. Beth Washington
This is real good! Quality Assurance Engineer
-Tempus Avid Technology, Tewksbury, MA
from Lois & Clark Beth_Washington@a.......
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:18:39 -0800
From: Cousin Cherri <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Re: YKYB...
>YKYB letting your kids watch too much FK, when the 7 year old comes in and
>says, "Okay, we're pretending we're vampires and I'm a good guy vampire like
>Nick. And you made me, so you're like LaCroix. Except not so bossy."
ROTFL
Kids! Gotta love'em.
Cousin Cherri Valentine, Sime/Gen, FKLFE
<cdmunoz@e.......> NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
FOREVER KNIGHT
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:48:59 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Nick and Natalie
As to whether Nick is in love with Natalie:
Yes, he's in love with her. I don't remember which ep it was in the second
season, but there was one where Nick was complementing Nat on how great she
looked, and insisting to Schanke that it was the suit she was wearing that
made her look so good. There was nothing special about that suit or how Nat
looked (o.k, it was an improvement over the lab coat and hair being up, but
it wasn't any big deal). When someone responds as much as Nick did in that
scene, they're responding to their own feelings, not to how the person
objectively looks.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:12:02 -0600
From: "Heather Rigby (Goldeneyes)" <Z_RIGBYHA@t.......>
Subject: Goldeneyes on fkfic-l
Okay, I posted the first part of a new story involving Goldeneyes, a character
from elsewhere and Nick and Co., before recieving advice that I really
ought to ask if a story like this is appropriate. It does involve people
from other worlds, and not in the tradition of X-files, though I don't watch
that show. If I'm off-base with this, tell me and futher parts of it will
be available through private email, when I get around to finishing it. As
it is though, only Goldeneyes and her daughter are really part of the story.
Advice?
Heather (Goldeneyes, Knightie of Reve d'Or)
z_rigbyha@t.......
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:23:41 EST
From: TORREY L HARRIS <Dona_Torrey@p.......>
Subject: Re: Couples Factions: A New One!
Jamie writes:
>I would like to proudly declare myself (as a sub-fraction) as a
Another Faction...how many does this make now? <G>
>LaCroissant.
>The LaCroissants are, naturally, those who appreciate the >LaCroix-
Schanke relationship.
ROTF....I will never be able to eat a croissant with a straight face
again. Very good Jamie....Very good <G>.
Dona Torrey
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:41:28 -0600
From: Kimberley <$LOWKD@b.......>
Subject: Re: Nick&Nat, Nat&LC
>Above all else, above whatever he may feel for Nat or humanity in
>general, Nick wants a *cure*. That's the major reason he's stayed, why
>he puts up with Nat's nagging, etc. Nick has always been persistent in
>keeping with anyone who can offer him a cure.
No he hasn't. He is persistant in looking for a cure, but once it gets
difficult or he feels that there is something easier out there, he's gone.
Nat has tried to work out a plan of treatment and research, Nick wants
something that involves minimal effort on his part. And, in terms of
nagging, any doctor that would have to deal with that immature an attitude
(who isn't a pediatrician) on a daily basis is not going to be pleased.
>And LC is twice Nick's age. I
>think there's a possibility that the drug would either not have as
>much of an effect on LC or that, as the vampire would still be there,
>he would not stay dead if she staked him.
Assuming that the whole stake thing isn't simply a fairy-tale to the
vampires of FK (and since the Enforcers have been known to be seen with
them, I think it's a good assuption), once the drug entered his system he
would be weakened. In such a weakened state, would his many years really be
any good to him? Even if the vampire was simply dormant, the only thing
that really could have saved him the last time would have been those many years.
>All he has to do is wait until either Nat or Nick gets tired of Nick
>not being cured. Nick will either try something or somewhere else
>to find his cure or Nat will finally get discouraged and give up.
Hate to nitpick here, but haven't you just undermined your first argument?
>And if Nat should happen to cure Nick, then I think you'd see him
>move to remove her. And then he'd bring Nick back across.
Even I have to give LaCroix some credit. Do you really think that he
believes he would be able to hold onto Nick if he were to take his mortality
away from him? Right now, Nick sees LaCroix as somewhat more evil then he
is, but if he were to be forced into vampirism after attaining the
redemption of mortality and the promise of a full, human life, Nick would
never forgive him. And what's more, he wouldn't put up with LaCroix's
presence to the extent that he does now. No more listening to the radio, no
more visits, no more contact. There would be nothing that LaCroix could do
to get close to Nick.
>Oh, I agree that Nick cares about and is attracted to Nat. But that
>hasn't stopped him from being attracted to other women (Emily Weiss
>in Stranger Than Fiction, Marian in Blackwing, Janette).
Funny, I tend to see this as more of a case of immaturity then anything else.
>And she's done nothing to erode any feelings he has for her?
Such as what? Treating him like the immature patient he is? Sure he's a
friend, but she is still responsible for helping him find a cure, and
someone has to keep that in mind.
>>she hates her weak points, but is capable of acknowledging them.
>
>What about Dead of Night?
Can't say I've seen Dead of Night, so I'll stop here.
>--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
>--tmp_harkins@d.......
>
Kimberley *NatPacker* ($lowkd@m.......)
Game of gopher, anyone?
"Shouldn't we be doing something - constructive?"
"What did you have in mind?... A short, blunt human pyramid...?"(RAGAD)
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:54:28 -0500
From: Dotti Rhodes <dottir@w.......>
Subject: Re: Okay Guys, Enough
Thanks Carrie for your excellent, excellent message. Hopefully, everyone
will pay attention and we'll get back to where we were before. All
respecting each other's opinions, no flaming, and just having a great time
with a great show!!
Dotti R
Knightie-4Ever
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:07:38 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick and Religious Icons
On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 choff@v....... wrote:
> Technically speaking, Buddhist icons are not religious objects. In other
> words, Buddhists don't WORSHIP statues of Buddha, they just make them out
> of reverence.
Well, I haven't seen BB and I wasn't around for the first round of this
discussion, but I am Buddhist....
Practices vary. Like Christianity the doctrine has been interpretted many
different ways. Though Siddhartha Gautama (sp?) always professed to be a
*teacher* not a god, some people, and sects, still revere him as a deity.
But I think that Cynthia is right. From a literal, technical, historical
vantage point a Buddha is not a religious article. In fact SG NEVER
considered his teachings to be the basis of a "religion" at all; that
happened after his death. So if Nick, who as an archeologist knew a great
deal about history, could very likely have made a distinction between the
Buddha as a religious articfact and just an artifact.
But I would most certainly be interested in hearing the POV of some other
Buddhists...Rebecca? Alisa?
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:23:04 -0600
From: Christy Tucker <ctucker@m.......>
Subject: Oatmeal
I've noticed that there seems to be some sort of weird oatmeal joke
associated with FK. I had the misfortune of missing the first season, save
a couple of eps, but I know there was some oatmeal joke made in a first
season ep. Could someone please enlighten me?
Cousin Christy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Christy Tucker, Always Right^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The best way to do it is with scissors." - Alfred Hitchcock
ctucker@m.......***http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~ctucker/
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:59:20 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: lots of things, really
On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Wicked One wrote:
> Yes, but on the FKSPOILR list please. :) Just a reminder to some new
> listers out there: Fever, Games Vampires Play, Fallen Idol, and
> Avenging Angel are still under spoiler protection. Oh, and Human
> Factor, too. Is that all? Thanks!
Actually Tippi, if I'm not mistaken, Fever just came off spoiler
protection last week.
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:06:46 -0500
From: Lisa Clevenger <Sukhmet@a.......>
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!
Cherri,
I have a copy. I am the one you gave it to and I will be glad to giv eyou a
copy back. Look for it later today.
Cousine Suk
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:00:29 -0500
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject: Evil is as evil does
No, the Raven/ettes aren't 'evil' and neither is Janette. Good and evil are
not absolutes, but subjective.
Yes, Janette is amoral. She lives very much by her own rules, her primary
interest being survival and amusement. At least, until lately.
But Jamie is absolutely correct about 'how' Raven/ettes operate. When
things tend to get boring, we're not adverse to stirring things up a bit.
But we always try to make certain that someone else gets the 'credit.'
As opposed to Cousins, who LIKE to cause havoc and LIKE to take credit for it.
As opposed to Mercs who cause havoc and like to get PAID for it.
As opposed to Knighties and Natpackers and Diehards and Perks, who like to
bring order out of chaos and restore peace.
As opposed to Vaqueros, who probably enjoy WATCHING havoc, but not
necessarily participating in it.
As opposed to FODs, who cater havoc as a matter of course.
Regards
susang@v....... -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
Faithful Ravenette, because somebody STILL has to.
Discover the power of Forever Knight at
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:27:12 -0500
From: Carla Pickering <carlap@e.......>
Subject: YKYBW/OLTMW
You are travelling down a major highway at the end of a longggg Saturday's
work and you read a sign in front of a Pub/restaurant "see all the action of
the INCA in our lounge....." and it takes several minutes before you
register that it really said "NCAA"......
I am, quite seriously, going into an anticipatory slump--as in it is almost
April, then it will be May, then there are only 4 new episodes and if I
can't afford cable/can't persuade TCI to carry SciFi, *that will be IT*
(panics, starts shredding hair, gnashing teeth and all that fun stuff......)
I do a LOT of work stuff, but FK and the list has really become *the better
part* of my *social* life (time wise *and* quality wise).
I will, (sniffling at the sheer, unadulterated pathos of it all, wailing
with nostalgia, railing against the injustice--------) not simply sit and
melt in the corner of my little ranch-becomming cottage. I will stay on
list, I will do *whatever* I am able to do to
rebirth--reinstitute--whatever.........FK.
Carla at Crowhawwk in Exeter, RI
With Joanna the Wolfish Wonderpup etc.
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:37:39 GMT
From: Misty Hamman <Misty_Hamman@s.......>
Subject: Spring Cleaning
First and foremost to Carrie--Wow. Now that, my dear, was truly beautiful.
(re-OK guys, enough). As a newbie, still in diapers but slowing learning to
crawl I have had some of the same experiences, but I could have never said it
so eloquently. Thank you for summing up exactly how I feel.
Then to the person who didn't like Fever--Why Not?! I thought it was hilarious,
especially Nick's behaviour. I also liked that they showed the price he had
to pay for his brief experience.
And for the rest of my new friends--Thank you for all the help and patience you
have showered upon me<Hi Sandra-Hi Susan!>. Every time I've asked for help,
I've received it in spades. Couldn't ask for a better group!!
Last but most definately not least, I realize this is a pg list, but the
fruit roll up/
licorice thong thread was great!! >;} What an interesting picture!!
Au revoir, mes amis! Until we meet again....
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Misty Hamman "There is no fear in love;
Cust Service but perfect love casteth out fear."
Saxon Publishers, Inc -1 John 4:18
Misty_Hamman@s.......
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:01:54 GMT
From: Misty Hamman <Misty_Hamman@s.......>
Subject: Re: lots of things, really
I'm sorry--I also assumed Fever was no longer under Spoiler protection as I
have seen it several times. Sorry WCT and everyone else--I posted before I
received the notice saying it wasn't.
Mimi (looking at the wall and trying to figure out if it always hurts when
you bump into it...I can't wait to graduate from diapers and
newbiness-growing up is so hard!)
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Misty Hamman "There is no fear in love;
Cust Service but perfect love casteth out fear."
Saxon Publishers, Inc -1 John 4:18
Misty_Hamman@s.......
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:37:08 -0500
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: Vamps and sexual preferences
Sandra writes:
<<I don't think Nick either has or wants to return
<<those feelings. Nick seems more heterosexual in his desires; LC
<<seems more homosexual in his. Just my opinion.
I was always under the impression that vampires would be considered bi-sexual
(in human terms). For a vampire, the sex act is in the biting and taking of
the blood. I don't think our definitions of "homo" or "hetero" are even
applicable to vampires. We are trying to make them fit into OUR categories
which is a mistake because they fall outside the lines. Vampires are about
as androgynous as you can get. Agree or disagree?? Discuss.
^v^Cousin Michelle
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"Life is the one enemy we cannot defeat, only cling to like
parasites on the living flesh of the universe."-LC
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:37:17 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Couples factions
>>Ooh hey I know! Let's get literary! Was J.D. Salinger the one who
>>wrote Fathers and Sons? Or am I thinking of someone else? Salingers!
>Hmmmm... can anyone check this out? Blimey, it just might work!
Umm... I think Turgenev was the one who wrote Fathers and Sons, hence my
second suggestion. But then, my knowledge of Russian literature is pretty
limited.
Anyway, now I think FathersAndSons might have too serious a tone to it, so
I'm not sure I still like the idea.
Let's keep workin' on it!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:57:14 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: I'm mad as heck
> I keep wondering whether this has to do with FK's cancellation. Is *anyone*
> else registering unusual blips and blurps in their syndie's handling of FK?
Goodness knows I am.
Things were pretty regular last fall -- when they began airing it here
for the first time -- but since Christmas they have begun pre-empting it
for *boxing* (I missed "FI" and "DoN" that way, and some earlier ones
that I picked up on USA). This week, they've pushed it back from
midnight to one a.m. And I have just this week discovered that they
unforgivably snipped a scene from "HF" (yes, a large post regarding that
is coming soon to fkspoilr). :)
***** Amy, Lady of the Knight (Amy R.) r......@w....... *****
"Opinion in good men is but knowledge in the making." -- Milton
Devoted Knightie, Light Cousin, Repentant Ex-Nevermore
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