FORKNI-L
Digest - 25 Mar 1996
Mon, 25 Mar 1996
There are 17 messages totalling 460 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. NetRatings for Forever Knight
2. More on Nat's nagginess
3. POTK *is* cancelled
4. Amending the distribution of EVIL amongst the factions...
5. Help!
6. couples faction
7. Feedback from the Dominion...
8. Tours & trashing listmembers (2)
9. Keeping it friendly
10. Best season?
11. FK CD
12. Sony Survey: What if...
13. Suggestion for NK+LC couple faction
14. The next great tape trade offer!
15. NK+LC affiliation
16. FK bumperstickers/address
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:01:24 -0500
From: Jeff Standish <jestandi@c.......>
Subject: NetRatings for Forever Knight
This Week's Syndicated Episode: #310, Night in Question
Last Week's Syndicated Episode: #309, Let No Man Tear Asunder
Season 3 Episodes Rating Max Min StdDev # Votes
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301 The Black Buddha, Part 1 6.80 10.00 3.00 1.48 55
302 The Black Buddha, Part 2 6.93 10.00 3.00 1.47 50
303 Outside the Lines 5.60 9.00 1.00 1.93 42
304 Blackwing 7.65 10.00 3.00 1.63 50
305 Blind Faith 6.47 10.00 1.00 2.15 44
306 My Boyfriend is a Vampire 7.79 10.00 4.00 1.45 51
307 Hearts of Darkness 6.49 10.00 3.00 1.68 44
308 Trophy Girl 6.64 10.00 1.00 1.98 37
309 Let No Man Tear Asunder 7.37 10.00 3.00 1.59 43
310 Night in Question 9.41 10.00 2.00 1.19 62
311 Sons of Belial 9.20 10.00 6.00 1.04 51
312 Strings 6.85 10.00 3.00 1.59 28
313 Fever 9.50 10.00 7.50 0.79 33
314 Dead of Night 8.80 10.00 6.00 1.01 29
315 The Games Vampires Play 7.98 10.00 3.00 1.69 26
316 The Human Factor 8.14 10.00 2.00 2.20 29
317 Avenging Angel 6.14 8.00 1.00 1.92 11
318 Fallen Idol 7.50 10.00 5.00 1.45 12
Number of Episodes: 18
Votes per Episode: 38.72
Average Rating: 7.51
Weighted Average: 7.58
Rating is the average rating from those gathered to date.
Max is the highest rating received.
Min is the lowest rating received.
StdDev is the standard deviation of the collected ratings.
# Votes is the total number of votes counted for that episode.
How does it work?
E-mail me (jestandi@c.......) your vote for a given episode,
telling me the name of the episode and how you would rate it on a
scale of 1 (lowest) to 10 (highest). If you don't know the name of
an episode, you can check out the episode guide at:
http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/FK/Episodes/episode_guide.html
I accept votes for the current week's episode, along with all previous
episodes (including those from previous seasons). A listing of all votes
received for each episode is available from the main web page, listed by
e-mail name (full e-mail addresses are withheld for validation purposes).
The current ratings for Forever Knight are posted weekly to
alt.tv.forever-knight and rec.arts.sf.tv, the Forever Knight mailing
list, and can also be found over the web at the following address:
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/jestandi/fk-ratings.html
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Jeff Standish The concept is simply
jestandi@c....... staggering. Pointless,
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/jestandi.html but staggering. -Dr. Who
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:16:43 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: More on Nat's nagginess
On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, Felicia Bollin wrote:
> C'mon, guys. Even *I* know better than that. And I watch almost NO
> television. Not only Beauty and the Beast, and Remington Steele, but at
> least *ten* other episodic shows I found listed in an ad in some magazine
> (Entertainment Weekly, perhaps?) And, let's not forget the Highlander <grrr>
And now we can add one more to the list: On my walk home from class this
morning (yes Cynthia, I do actually attend on occasion) I saw a new
display in the window of Nobody Beats the Wiz (electronic chain for my
fellow west coasters who have never heard of it before) next door to my dorm
advertising the release of X-Files on video.
> You'll just have to do better than that, Sci-Fi.
I second that emotion...but I'm not gonna hold my breath, either.
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:41:54 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: POTK *is* cancelled
On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, Lisa McDavid wrote:
> Yes, it's true that POTK is cancelled.
Not to ask a dumb question or anything, but what is POTK?
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:49:22 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Amending the distribution of EVIL amongst the factions...
On Mar 23, 1996 11:24:10, 'Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>'
wrote:
>Ravenettes, naturally, are STYLISHLY evil.
I wish to amend this statement.
Ravenettes are evil in that they induce OTHERS to do their dirty work.
Particularly those Natpackers who are especially lacking in
self-preservation skills. Ravenettes express their evil in the form of a
casually-voiced idle whim; at which point the Natpacker says "Okay," and
does it. While the Ravenette sits back and smiiiiiiiles.
Which is pretty damn stylish, if you think about it.
--
Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>
Asst. Listowner/Mommy/Nag, FORKNI-L etc.
Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
Natpacker, Lacking In Self-Preservation Skills
MercPacker, AthCoS, SMotU, ObAC: :-) :-) :-)
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:31:53 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Help!
On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, Janette Z wrote:
> >She needs for all lists including the play list.
>
> What play list? Just curious...
The DEBSPLAY list that has been overrun by those of us going to
Toronto...
But she doesn't need them anymore..already got them...thanks to those who
sent.
She's out there lurking somewhere...
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:30:16 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: couples faction
On Mar 25, 1996 09:46:18, 'Renee Primack <rprimac@e.......>' wrote:
>Although a same-sex couple has appeal
>to me as a lesbian, I must admit, this particular pairing I find in very
>bad taste (pardon the pun.) LaCroix is Nick's father in many ways
Always great to see someone de-lurking. Welcome! Stay, hang out... here,
here's a cup of Ribena... Just because there are those of us who "run off
at the mouth", that doesn't mean we're not pleased as punch to see new
contributors to the dialogue!
Funny, because part of the thing I find so intriguing about the vampiric
concept of "family" is that it inherently combines the parent-child
relationship with a sexual connotation. Now, I have to qualify this: 1) I
am no fan of incest, and respect the fact that survivors of abuse might
find this extremely disturbing, and 2) I really don't see the LaCroix-Nick
relationship in a "slash" context. However: to address the incest factor
-- we are not discussing an adult and a child, nor two genetically-related
beings; we are discussing two grown, unrelated adults. To my mind, this
negates the "incest" factor -- though I can appreciate that there are
others who feel differently.
The thing is, to a vampire, hunger and desire and reproduction are composed
of essentially the same process. Which, after a few centuries' worth of
acclimatization, must make the psychology verrrrrrry interesting. When
your "food" is also your "child" and your "lover"... well. It's just a
goldmine of interesting stuff for any aspiring fanfic writer to dig into,
isn't it?
So whether one wants to view the LC-NK relationship as "brotherly" or
parental or... whatever... or some combination of the three -- any way you
slice it, there's a fascinating dynamic between them; and so rich that you
can interpret it any way you please.
Which makes for some great fanfic.
--
Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>
Asst. Listowner/Mommy/Nag, FORKNI-L etc.
Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:52:26 -0500
From: Susan Honig <Susankenn@a.......>
Subject: Re: Feedback from the Dominion...
Actually there are a lot more shows on video if you look for them
I SPY
Remington Steel
The PRisoner
Dark Shadows
Secret Agent
Borders books has a nice section. I will take FK anywhere in retail or in a
club.
Sue
susankenn@a.......
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:40:24 -0500
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Tours & trashing listmembers
Regarding the recent post by a group of people who posted from a special
e-mail address identified as FK NotTour <NotTourNot@a.......>:
No listmember deserves to be publicly trashed like Will Steeves was in
that post. Especially by an anonymous group that signed onto the list
under a special e-mail address, apparently for the sole purpose of
trashing someone. And especially not for trying to be helpful, regardless
of the outcome of those efforts.
I have already sent a private e-mail to this group expressing these same
opinions. These are my opinions; I'm just a listmember who would like to
see this list remain friendly.
I feel lucky to call Will Steeves a friend of mine. He and his fellow
Torontonians Lynne Ackerman and Anna Sawitzky gave me a tour of Toronto
while I was visiting in December. For no payment whatsoever, three people
spent a whole day going around Toronto showing me the sights. It was an
amazing day, & offering to organize and drive for this tour demonstrates
Will's outstanding hospitality. And Will was a trooper during the whole
thing.
They signed their post:
> Respectfully yours,
> FK Tour Survivors Support Group
That is not what I call respect -- neither for Will, nor for the rest of
the list.
Allison Percy
percy91@w.......
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:58:35 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Keeping it friendly
I'd just like to second Allison Percy's note. I've never met Will Steeves,
but I don't think he or anyone else should have to face that kind of
post on the list.
Forkni-l has always been noteworthy for friendliness and civility. That
includes not criticizing your hosts in public.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:12:22 -0500
From: Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject: Re: Best season?
Here's a thought -
In NiQ, which I just saw again, Nick suffers from Amnesia, even to the
point of forgetting he's a Vampire until a good dose of sun"burn" sets him
back on the right track.
Amnesia victims rarely recover their complete memories. Perhaps Nick
has "forgotten" the reason(s) for becoming mortal??
As Arsenio Hall used to say, "Things that make you go Hmmmmm..."
-- Ray
Newly realized member of the Nat Vamp Camp
Rage! Rage! Against the dying of the Knight!
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:04:18 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK CD
On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, Carrie Krumtum wrote:
> Can someone please send me the phone number of Cresendo so I can order this
> CD?
I sent this to her.
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:10:00 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Tours & trashing listmembers
On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, Allison Percy wrote:
> No listmember deserves to be publicly trashed like Will Steeves was in
> that post. Especially by an anonymous group that signed onto the list
> under a special e-mail address, apparently for the sole purpose of
> trashing someone. And especially not for trying to be helpful...
In addition to being an obnoxious "me too" post, I also wanted to say
that I thought the unwillingness of the author of this post demonstrated
an exceptional degree of cowardice by choosing to handle it this way.
Not only was it immature and disrespectful, as Allison very nicely
pointed out, but it was *completely* unnecessary.
It's bad enough to get flamed in private, which despite efforts to the
contrary still happens, but that kind of public thrashing was inexcusable.
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:14:30 -0500
From: colin paddock <Claudius@n.......>
Subject: Re: Sony Survey: What if...
At 04:14 PM 03/23/1996 -0500, you wrote:
>They do know we're out here. The famous hidden fk24 web page proved that;
>although I can't say I liked the tone of the page, it does show that they
>know about us. (It particularly shows that they've VISITED THE SAVE FK
>PAGE...)
Pardon my stupidity, But what web page? Is it the sony one with the AVIs and
WAVs? Can someone help me out?
Thanks Cp-
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"Dogs are for breakfast...And then only in the worst of times" -- LaCroix
We're lurkers, we lurk in corners,
we do our little thing in the background
--Rastro and Maddog
When I die, I want to go quietly in my sleep, like my grandfather,
not screaming like the other people in his car.
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:20:14 CST
From: Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Suggestion for NK+LC couple faction
Okay, some of us want a Nick+Lacroix couples faction. We need a name.
Okay. I need to do some more research on it, (which means though I read
it in a book last year, I don't remember the particulars) but there are
either Greek or Latin terms (I forget which) called *Eronomoi* and
*Erastes*. One of them refers to an older guy, the other to a younger
guy. Basically, the older guy (Greek or Roman, I forget which) would
kidnap the younger guy, with the consent of the young guy's family, take
him off into the woods and, ummmm, teach him to hunt! I swear! This is
the truth. I think something along these lines would be grrrrreat!
Just my wicked two cents.
Wicked Cousin Tippi
(TippiNB@a....... or WickedOne@h.......)
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:39:33 -0600
From: sowder john mark <sowder@c.......>
Subject: The next great tape trade offer!
First off, does anyone know when exactly the FK CD will be
shipped?
Now, I have the first, most of the second, and the third seasons
of FK available for trade. To trade for what you ask? Well, to
make a long story short I need copies of the show The Greatest American
Hero. That's the trade. If anyone already has copies and would like to
trade then great, otherwise the cable channel fX shows GAH monday
thru fri. and you could tape them. If anyone is interested in this trade
even if only for a few tapes I would greatly appreciate it. Just let
me know off list.
--
John M Sowder ** Forever Knightie **
sowder@u.......
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:52:24 -0600
From: Lady Sushi <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: NK+LC affiliation
>About the NK+LC affiliation:
>I'm sorry. The first thought that jumped into my head is to call this the
>Pinky and the Brain affiliation.
YES! We have a winner. Virtual chocolate and vampyres of her choice to
Sharon. I would like to officially announce the creation of LaCroix and
Nick's couple faction, PINKY AND BRAIN.
Nick's Pinky, right? Except LaCroix's never been crushed by Big Ben...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, Pinky&Brainiac
phoenix@i.......
**MSTie Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire**
*I'd be nothing if not cold.* ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE: The Secret's In The Sauce!
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:58:42 EST
From: CINDY L BREWER <DHRC98C@p.......>
Subject: FK bumperstickers/address
I wrote:
>Could some kind soul ethier repost or email me the name of the
>store/address/and phone number that was selling Forever Knight bumberstickers?
Thanks to everyone who sent me this info.:-)It is appreciated.
Cindy Brewer DHRC98C@p.......
Knightie,Nick&Natpacker,Optimist's Club
Vaquera
"Oh pul-eeze don't go strange on me."Schanke to Nick
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