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Digest - 24 Mar 1996 - Special issue

Sun, 24 Mar 1996

There are 30 messages totalling 1083 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Cousin's Bar: Official Ingrdient? (3)
  2. NK+LC (was Couples Factions)
  3. YKYBW(AR)TMFKW...
  4. Couples factions (4)
  5. Road trip
  6. Yes Virginia, it's the Real Nigel.
  7. What did Kay do?
  8. FK bumperstickers/need address
  9. Nick&Nat, Nat&LC
 10. Rumors of War/Airwolf ?
 11. Why Nick Stays.
 12. Nick & LaCroix Faction name?
 13. Starlog letter
 14. Nick&Nat; Nat&LC
 15. Animated Subjects
 16. I am Sony Webless!
 17. familiar face on Airwolf
 18. Next Year's Geminis (2)
 19. vamp movies
 20. Cousin's Bar: More Stuff to Make Yourself
 21. Vampire Cranes
 22. More rumors
 23. Sci-Fi Buzz & misc. stuff
 24. EYEBROW CHALLENGE: Urs and the Pretty Little Bottle (1/1)

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:19:05 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Cousin's Bar: Official Ingrdient?

On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, Margie Hammet wrote:

> Has anyone tried Vodka and Ribena over crushed ice, for our Forever Night,
> or Forever Knight, drink?

> Alora, since you've got that bottle of Vodka handy, how about trying it?

Sounds good to me...now all I've got to do is get my hands on some Ribena.

Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:24:32 -0600
From:    "Kristin M. Bachman" <bachman@o.......>
Subject: Re: NK+LC (was Couples Factions)

I think it's an absolutely redrunner idea.  As to a name, may I suggest
Mort and Pendrakk, or something similar to emphasize how different they are.
Mephisto comes to mind for LC, but a comparable name for Nick?  Any Ideas?

The Vanisher

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:25:21 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBW(AR)TMFKW...

On Sun, 24 Mar 1996 choff@v....... wrote:

> I just thought I'd let you all know that this college teacher, currently
> on Spring break, is now plotting ways to make her students' lives
> miserable, in direct response to this particular thread, which has made
> MY LIFE MISERABLE.

Blame away...if not going to class yanked me off the dean's list or
messed with my GPA, I would reconsider. As it is, I have no worries in
the grade department.

Of course the 'tuition' department is another story entirely...

Alora...who sleeps much better in her classes than her own bed.
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:30:31 -0600
From:    The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Couples factions

>>Okay, I've yet another Couples Faction to announce:  Nick and LaCroix.
>>Anyone have a name idea?
MArgie suggested:
>FathersAndSons

I LIKE this one.  The other two were a bit hard to say, but... Hmmmm.  I'd
go with either FathersandSons or Daddy's Boys.

Anyone else?

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
**MSTie Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire**
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE The Secret's In The Sauce!

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:35:11 -0600
From:    The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Cousin's Bar: Official Ingrdient?

>Has anyone tried Vodka and Ribena over crushed ice, for our Forever Night,
>or Forever Knight, drink? (snip) It's easy to explain to bartenders, so you
can spend most of the >time explaining *where* the drink and its name came from.
>Alora, since you've got that bottle of Vodka handy, how about trying it?

Not a repost, as far as I know.

I like it.  It's simple, you don't have to be a bartender to know the
ingredients/how to make it, and it can be easily altered to fit any
factional ideals.  I say we go with it.  Kudos, Margie!

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
**MSTie Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire**
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE The Secret's In The Sauce!

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:39:14 -0600
From:    The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Road trip

I'm planning to be in Oklahoma City for a few hours next saturday.  If
anyone in the area wants to get together for a bit (and see if you can
tolerate my friends up there), mail me.

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
**MSTie Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire**
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE The Secret's In The Sauce!

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:35:07 PST
From:    Gary L Warren <garylwarren@j.......>
Subject: Re: Yes Virginia, it's the Real Nigel.

On Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:36:27 goid@i....... (Will Steeves) writes:
>> Gary L Warren <garylwarren@j.......> writes...
>> >While I had initial  doubts about Nigel's post, please let me say I express
>> >those doubts without *any* flaming intended.  It would be nice if we (or I
>> >through private email) could get some sort of independent confirmation of his
>> >post (sorry for the journalist in me talking!).
>>
>>
>> I'm a journalist-in-my-spare-time myself, but yes, that is definitely the
>> _real_ Nigel.


As I noted earlier in the month, I've gotten other confirmations and have seen
the error of my ways.  Shall I get ten lashes with a garlic-drenched whip?!  ;)


glw

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:45:11 PST
From:    Gary L Warren <garylwarren@j.......>
Subject: Re: What did Kay do?

On Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:04:56 -0800 choff@v....... writes:
>> I know and you know that this thread is all in fun, and I hate to ruin
>> anyone's fun.
>>
>> But ...
>>
>> You are potentially alienating the VERY people we may need in the future
>> if we are going to bring this show back.
>>
>> Can you say for certain that you know that KK and JF's associates aren't
>> here?
>>
>> I mean we have a SONY exec here, right?  And an actor from the show?  and
>> the guy who writes the music (hi Fred!).
>>
>> Please do us all a favor and can this thread or at least take it
>> private.  I for one don't want it to come back and bite me on the butt
>> when I'm working for a fourth season.


This is all well and good.  BUT, as documented previously, neither Sony nor USA
Network has been playing with an honest deck in the deals in regard to FK.  I
realize there are probably good corporate reasons for their actions BUT my
aforementioned example of USA forcing the 20-something/SILK STALKING-ization
of FK at the expense of the three older but very competent actors who felt
they could no longer stay with the show still hasn't been addressed, privately
to MOI' or publicly on this list or on the other nets.  If USA had come clean
about this in the beginning, I'd respect it (Kay and Co.) a heck of a lot more,
even if I didn't personally agree with the results.




glw
(who's ALWAYS willing to read secret email/"factual gossip" and knows more
rumours about ST:  VOYAGER than are in the echoes/nets!)

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:18:54 -0800
From:    Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: Couples factions

At 01:43 PM 3/24/96 -0600, you wrote:
>>Okay, I've yet another Couples Faction to announce:  Nick and LaCroix.
>>Anyone have a name idea?

        Boyz in the 'Hood ??? :) :)

(ducking for cover)
Jackie

Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
ejdjd@i.......

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:22:37 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Couples factions

Rutters?  (They're both in ruts, if you ask me.)

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie (who can't believe I responded to
  this thread)
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:47:36 CST
From:    Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Re: Couples factions

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix wrote:

FO>>Okay, I've yet another Couples Faction to announce:  Nick and LaCroix.
FO>>Anyone have a name idea?

Margie wrote:

FO>FathersAndSons
FO>Turgenevs
FO>Prodigals
Ooh hey I know!  Let's get literary!  Was J.D. Salinger the one who
wrote Fathers and Sons?  Or am I thinking of someone else?  Salingers!

Wicked Cousin Tippi

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Date:    Sat, 23 Mar 1996 19:07:01 EST
From:    CINDY L BREWER <DHRC98C@p.......>
Subject: FK bumperstickers/need address

Hi Guys,

Could some kind soul ethier repost or email me the name of the
store/address/and phone number that was selling Forever Knight bumberstickers?

I went on a major cleaning spree and deleted all of my digests without
looking at them.:-) Thanks in advance.


                         Cindy Brewer DHRC98C@p.......
                        Knightie,Nick&Natpacker,Optimist's club
                        Vaquera
                    "Oh pul-eeze don't go strange on me."Schanke to Nick

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:16:11 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Nick&Nat, Nat&LC

I don't know why but this post apparently never reached the list.
Or at least it didn't get posted back to me.  If you've already
seen this, just delete and accept my apologies.

Jamie Randell writes:
>WHY does he have to put up with it?...How many times has he almost
>walked away from the cure/Toronto/Natalie/humanity?...Obviously,
>there's SOMETHING that he wants/needs/desires.  And it's either
>Nat, Tracy, or Reese...

What he desires is the first thing you mentioned in your second
sentence above--a cure.  Above all else, above whatever he may feel
for Nat or humanity in general, Nick wants a *cure*.  That's the
major reason he's stayed, why he puts up with Nat's nagging, etc.
Nick has always been persistent in keeping with anyone who can
offer him a cure.

Those times he has wanted to walk away, also, have not, imo, been
that many.  In Cherry Blossoms he thought he would be forced out by
the Chinese man telling on him.  In Black Buddha, the decision was
more emotional and based on a desire to protect those mortals he
cares about (particularly Nat) from the "curse" he thought he'd
brought on everyone with the buddha.  The fact that he was going to
leave shows he would have gone on without Nat if necessary.  Nick's
immortal, after all; there are always other avenues to a cure to
explore.

>And if Nat wanted to do away with LC, all she'd need is a little
>lidovuterine and a stake.

Well, that may be possible, but I'm not sure that's a sure thing.
We know the litovuterine only temporarily suppressed the vampire in
Nick.  It was never *really* gone.  And LC is twice Nick's age.  I
think there's a possibility that the drug would either not have as
much of an effect on LC or that, as the vampire would still be there,
he would not stay dead if she staked him.

>admitting that he can't outwit her, can't outmaneuver her, can't win
>in a battle of wits between them.

Why should he have to bother?  He and Nick are immortal; Nat isn't.
All he has to do is wait until either Nat or Nick gets tired of Nick
not being cured.  Nick will either try something or somewhere else
to find his cure or Nat will finally get discouraged and give up.
And if neither of those things happen, LC has time on his side as
Nat is mortal and will get old and die eventually.  LC doesn't *need*
to do anything but wait.  If he chooses to do engage in a "battle of
wits" with Nat, it will be for his own personal reasons.  He doesn't
*need* to do so.

And if Nat should happen to cure Nick, then I think you'd see him
move to remove her.  And then he'd bring Nick back across.  He hasn't
done much with or about Nat because he doesn't consider her a real
threat yet.

>OtL, BmV, NiQ, that was all intellectual...platonic.

Oh, I agree that Nick cares about and is attracted to Nat.  But that
hasn't stopped him from being attracted to other women (Emily Weiss
in Stranger Than Fiction, Marian in Blackwing, Janette).

>LC hasn't killed Nat because:
>1) killing Nat would indicate his defeat;

As I said above, I don't think LC feels any need to kill Nat because
he doesn't consider her much of a threat yet.

>2) Nick would never forgive him.

Nick has hated LC since long before he met Nat.  Unless something
really makes Nick change his mind about wanting to be mortal, LC
killing Nat wouldn't make any difference to Nick's aims.  He'd still
be against doing what LC wanted him to do.  Yes, he might not forgive
LC, but if Nick doesn't find a cure, who knows what might change
between the two of them after several centuries go by?  Or what other
women Nick might fall in love with in that time?

>Nick's got it as bad as any human male could have it for
>any woman; and if there's self-delusion involved, it's the same type as in
>any purely human relationship.

But having it bad for someone doesn't necessarily mean that a relationship
will work out.  If that was so, more people would marry their "first
love". :)  Nick wants Nat, she wants him.  But that doesn't mean that
they wouldn't encounter problems if Nick became mortal that would
drive them apart.

>what Nick's behavior has done to erode Nat's love for him...

And she's done nothing to erode any feelings he has for her?

>You think Nat WANTS to have to keep reminding him that "in human
>society, we don't bite the bad guys"?

Oh, please.  Nick hasn't "bitten" anyone in at least 50 years and
certainly not since coming to live in Toronto (speaking about humans
here).  Her nagging doesn't have anything to do with *biting* people.

>she hates her weak points, but is capable of acknowledging them.

What about Dead of Night?  Just acknowledging weak points isn't
enough.  You have to decide what to do about them (accept them or
overcome them?).  Imo, Nat spends a lot of time trying to pretend her
weaknesses don't exist, covering them up with "control".

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:02:18 -0500
From:    "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject: Rumors of War/Airwolf ?

No, there is not a War imminent.  Wars are declared by the listowner at
appropriate times.

However, since we have a lull at the moment, with no new episodes airing, it
occurs to me that there are LOTS of new people on line who are looking
forward to playing in a war.  And some recent participants from the last war
who have not read previous wars.

May I make a suggestion?  While you have the time, download at least the
first war and read that.  When the latest war compilation (5) is ready,
download and read that.  And, if you have the time, read selections from
previous wars, particularly about your own factions.

WE believe in continuity, even if FK, until recently, does not.  There are
grudges and unresolved situations from previous wars that don't make any
sense unless you know about them.

When reading, if you don't like a particular thread, go onto another.  But
make certain you read at least the openers and closers of most of the major
wars--they should give you some idea what happened and why.

Jamie and I have discussed setting up a war website, which would link to the
current war compilations available from the FK fic page, give the basic
rules of previous wars (why to play, how to play, affiliation loops, etc.),
and provide a post summary of previous wars.  I know there have been people
who have done some or all of this work already (as opposed to the
brilliantly noble and probably permanently disabled people who have compiled
the past wars--God bless them, every one!).  Would anyone be interested in
pursuing these projects?

******
Airwolf question--

Where is it showing?  I've received an inquiry from someone who needs the
USA episodes.

Thanks for the help.

Regards
susang@v.......  -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
Visit THE essential webpage for Forever Knight info at:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
"Friends help you move.  Real friends help you move bodies."

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Date:    Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:39:00 PST
From:    Christine Hawkins <chawkins@n.......>
Subject: Why Nick Stays.

Jamie, the Illustrated Cousin, writes:

>Obviously, there's SOMETHING that he wants/needs/desires.  And it's either
>Nat, Tracy, or Reese...  my pick of the three would be Nat...

Either that, or he's having a wild, passionate affair with Myra off
screen... :-)

FoDly

Christine Hawkins.

      ***               Christine Hawkins
                                 ***
      ***        c.hawkins@n.......                               ***
      ***  "I Love to cook. Love it, love it, love it"       ***
      ***  -- Don Schanke in "Partners of the Month".***

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:41:09 EST
From:    Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Nick & LaCroix Faction name?

Oedipus Wrecks?

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:30:32 PST
From:    Sherri Lynn Godsey <us011164@p.......>
Subject: Starlog letter

I need help with this one guys.  Some time during the "effort", I sent a
letter to a reporter who had written an article for Starlog because one of
our group mentioned the article and supplied a name and address.  Actually, I
never read the article myself, but wrote and pretended that I had read the
article, and asked for more articles to be done on FK.  Now, after all this
time, I've received a note back from that reporter, and since he scrawled his
very nice reply on some Starlog Group note paper, I can't read his signature.
Its Peter something, but I can't make out the last name.  Whats funny is
there is a note on the outside of the envelop indicating that someone found
this letter with my address on the outside on a street in Toronto!  Peter
"something" must have dropped it (who knows *when* since it wasn't dated) and
some kind soul put it in the mailbox!

Here is Peter's reply:

"Dear Ms. Godsey -- thank you very much for your kind letter, which my editor
forwarded to me, and thank you for reading Starlog.  I would love to do more
on FK but as I'm sure you know, the show has not been renewed.  Sometimes we
do stories with the principals of cancelled popular shows to get their
perspectives on the cancellation.  That decision,however, lies with my
editor, David McDonnell.  You could write to him expressing your interest and
encourage your friends and fellow fans to do likewise.  In the meantime, keep
reading.  Thanks once again, Peter B....(?)"

Sounds like a good idea to me, if someone can recall Starlogs address.  If
anyone recalls Peter's full name and when he did the article, let me know.
Seems like I should thank him for his reply.  I *do* have an address off the
note paper: Starlog Group, [Address & phone number removed].
But I'd be embarrassed to call without at least
knowing the fellows full name -- especially since I didn't really read his
article!

Anyway, I think we should write letters to David McDonnell, the editor at
Starlog, and encourage a followup article on FK.  What do you guys think and
who remembers posting the info about Starlog?

Sherri

**Sherri Lynn Godsey, Founding Member SFKS. "Think where man's glory most
begins and ends, and say my glory was I had such friends" in Forever Knight.
"Independence lies as much in not being led as in not being driven..."

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:16:47 -0800
From:    LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick&Nat; Nat&LC

Jane Russell wrote:

>I keep thinking back to the scene in LNMTA where Nick storms in where
>they are preparing to extract Natalie's heart. He had this protective
>"If you die, I'll die" look on his face. <snip>

> I just can't see someone doing it for mere "I want you, I need you".

Whereas I see it as more of the possessiveness we've seen from him
before, as in Only the Lonely.  *You're mine, nobody else can have
you*.

LaurieCF

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:18:50 U
From:    Celeste Hotaling-Lyons <celeste_hotaling-lyons@i.......>
Subject: Animated Subjects

                       Subject:                               Time:8:11 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Animated Subjects                      Date:3/24/96

The tatoo'd ex-Cousin opined in a bouncy, shiny fashion:
>Of course Uncle wants me.  I've got that nude bathtub photo from the last
>War.  'Course, Celeste was the one who actually *took* the photo, so he
>might be more interested in tracking her down.

Um, er... if I remember correctly, Uncle still thinks *you* took that photo.
I have the transcript of that particular conversation around here somewhere.
Yep... with a little visual suggestion from moi, he assumed *you* took that
picture.  Then, for reasons known only to yourself, when he called you on it
at the Raven, you left him thinking that you were the one who took the
photo--and here I was worrying that you were gonna sic him on me in some
too-clever/last-minute fashion and I'd be on pins & needles until the next
War.  Oh, thank you, thank you for not doing that.

She went on, bouncily...
>Poor Cousine Celeste.  I
>should take pity -- I shouldn't be annoying her with my sig, should I?
.>..Guess it's those Cousinly overtones.

Jamie, you are one of the few who changes her sig almost constantly, there's
*always* something shiney-new to read.  That is all I ask out of life from you
tatty lot--change your bloody sigs once in a while, before they begin to smell
like last week's fish.

BTW:  re: The Forever Knight Homepages:  The Animated Versions, I have but one
word to say:

"Cool!"

More on animation when Cousin Russ said:
"You can't fight evil with a macrame duck!"

I do believe that it is a "macaroni" duck to which Arthur and the Tick were
referring.

Cousine Celeste, who especially liked the tap-dancing spiders.

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:15:32 CST
From:    Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: I am Sony Webless!

For SOME reason, I cannot access the Sony web page to take part in the
survey.  I pasted the address directly from email sent to me by 3
different people.  So it's not that I have the wrong address.  The
screen always pops up with something like... "Either the address is
wrong, the site is not functioning, or they have decided not to give you
access."  C'mon what's the deal?!  Has my reputation preceeded me?
Eegads!  Kicked out of someplace I've never even been!  This beats my
record for getting kicked out of Sunday school after only 20 minutes!

Anybody having the same difficulty?

ObFK:  Umm...  Well, thongs aside (woo hoo!), we haven't had a butt or
chest comment in a while.  So... How bout them butts, eh?

Wicked Cousin Tippi
Ask me about SWEET REVENGE!!!
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:29:07 -0600
From:    The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: familiar face on Airwolf

>Codeine might work, but how are we going to get him to drink it?
>Actually, I wouldn't mind helping you do the dirty work.  We may end up
>dead, but what a way to go!!!  And, thanks for the instructions on how to
>make a thong.  I will have to give it a whirl.

That should get interesting.  Are you gonna try it out on Uncle first, or do
a test run on Nicky?  Hmmmm... codeine, tho.  We COULD always try to slip a
lot into a bottle of blood, or just drink a lot ourselves and offer our
blood in homage.  I think I like the second idea better.  Heck, we might get
him high enough that way to get him to put the thing on himself!

Being evil and eating leftover cake,

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
**MSTie Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire**
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE The Secret's In The Sauce!

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:39:50 -0500
From:    Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject: Re: Next Year's Geminis

What about Nigel for "Fever".  I can't get that "my people, my children..."
speech out of my head.  It may be the most powerful five minutes in the
history of the show.

     Just my .02

  --  Ray
   Newly realized member of the Nat Vamp Camp

     Rage!  Rage!  Against the dying of the Knight!

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:06:12 -0800
From:    Heather Thornburg <penni@t.......>
Subject: vamp movies

I can't remember who, but someone asked for a list of vampyre movies.
While surfing, I found this address.

http://www.netaxs.com/~elmo/vamp-mov.html

Hope this helps.

Heather
penni@w.......

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:43:08 -0600
From:    The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Cousin's Bar: More Stuff to Make Yourself

OKay, thanks to the boredom of a sunday night, sometime before Space: Above
and Beyond I came up figured out most of Cousin Michelle's original ideas
(posted 3/20), plus a few of my own.  Some of these are non-alcoholic.  If
anyone tries any, tell me how they turn out.

UNCLE ON THE ROCKS (a.k.a. UNCLE MARTINI)
This is an actual drink, which I'd rather not alter much.  In _Bartender's
Guide_ by Trader Vic, it's the Special Dry Martini.  1 oz. dry gin, 1/4 oz.
French vermouth, 1/2 teaspoon Pernod/Absinthe.  To make it an Uncle, garnish
with a pearl onion and a few dried currants or raisins on a toothpick.  (The
actual drink is listed with only the onion, which technically makes it a
Gibson, but who cares.)

LaCroix on the Beach (as SEX WITH UNCLE ON THE BEACH) is around here
somewhere already.

UNCLE FIZZ
(Variant of the Albemarle Fizz)  2 oz. gin, 1/2 tbs. powdered sugar, juice
1/2 lemon.  Shake with ice, strain into 8 oz. glass, and add 1 tsp. Ribena.

SALTY UNCLE 1
(from Salty Dog)  1 1/2 oz. vodka, grapefruit juice, dash Pernod.  Salt the
rim of a highball glass.  fill with ice, and pour vodka and juice in.  Add
Pernod.

SALTY UNCLE 2
Same as above, but with Ribena instead of Pernod.

LaCROIX DAIQUIRI
(From Trader Vic's La Florida Daiquiri #4)  2 oz. Bacardi Carta Oro, 1 tsp.
sugar, 1 tsp Ribena, juice 1/2 lemon.  Mix in blender with ice.

LaCROIX-TAI
(from Mai-Tai) 1 oz. light rum, 1/2 oz. Ribena, 1/2 oz. Triple Sec, 1 1/2
oz. sour mix.  Shake all ingredients with ice.  Strain into glass.  Add
maraschino cherry.

UNCLE COLADA
(from Pina Colada) Frankly, coconut and rum with either Ribena or Pernod
sounds NASTY.  If you want to try, though: 1 1/2 oz. light rum, 1 oz. cream
of coconut, 2 oz. dried currants, 2 oz. Ribena, and a bit of cream.  Throw
in blender with shaved ice.  I still think this sounds disgusting.

BLOODY UNCLE
(Bloody Mary variation)  1 1/2 oz. vodka, chilled tomato juice, tabasco to
taste, dash Pernod.  Mix in well-chilled glass.

LaCROIX WALLBANGER
(Oh, what would ol' Harvey say now?)  1 1/2 oz. vodka, 4 oz. orange juice,
1/2 oz. Galliano, dash Pernod.  Fill glass with ice.  Mix vodka, OJ, and
Pernod.  Float Galliano on top.  NOTE: The original Harvey Wallbanger got
it's name from a surfer guy named Harvey.  He'd down a couple of these, and
bang into the wall.  You have been warned.

UNCLE GIMLET
(from Orange Gimlet)  1 1/2 oz. gin, 1 oz. Lillet, 2 dashes of Pernod.  Mix
with ice.  Strain into glass.  (The original has orange bitters in place of
Pernod.)

LaCROIX SLING
(from Trader Vic's Fancy Sling)  1 oz. brandy, 1 oz. benedictine, 1/2 tsp.
lemon juice, 1 oz. Pernod (a LOT), 1/2 tsp. Ribena, club soda.  Shake
brandy, benedictine, lemon juice, Pernod, and Ribena with ice.  Strain into
10 oz. glass with a few ice cubes.  Fill rest of glass with club soda.
Note:  I added no Pernod to the original recipe.  Beware!

FUZZY UNCLE
(from Fuzzy Fruit)  1 1/2 oz. peach schnapps, 5 oz. unsweetened grapefruit
juice, dash Pernod.  Put all in glass with ice.  Stir.

THE SCREAMING LaCROIX-GASM
Nope, nope, not even GONNA.  No, not 'cause it's obscene (that's not a
problem), but because even the thought of Pernod or Ribena with amaretto,
creme de cacao, and Triple Sec is too much to bear (I just ate).  If anyone
wants to try it, though, it's your funeral.  1/2 oz. each: white creme de
cacao, amaretto, triple sec, vodka.  1 oz. cream.  Shake together and pour
over ice.  Add Ribena if anything, and then sparingly.

The stuff I cooked up:

NICKY'S FINN
(From Mickey's Finn) 1/2 oz. each: Ribena, Pernod, French vermouth, gin.  1
oz. white creme de menthe.  Mix Pernod , vermouth, gin, and creme de menthe.
Pour Ribena into glass.  Float rest of mixture on top.

I also have (surprise, surprise!) an ACTUAL RECIPE for Nick's Own Cocktail.
If anyone wants it, mail me.

Non-alcoholic stuff:

CAFE LaCROIX
(from Cafe Viennoise)  8 oz. strong black cold coffee, 1 oz. heavy cream, 1
tsp. Ribena.  Mix in blender until smooth.

SAFE SEX WITH UNCLE ON THE BEACH
(from Safe Sex on the Beach, I kid you not)  1 oz. peach nectar (apricot for
Vaqueras/ros), 3 oz. pineapple or grapefruit juice, 3 oz. orange juice.  Mix
all.  Pour over ice.

NICKY'S FIZZ
(from Orange Fizz)  5 oz. orange juice, 1 oz. sour mix, Ribena to taste,
club soda.  Mix OJ, sour mix, and Ribena, pour over ice.  Fill rest of glass
with club soda.


Shall be posting 'em as they come to me, or as I find something warpable.
Ta-ta!

Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
**MSTie Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire**
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE The Secret's In The Sauce!

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:49:09 -0800
From:    Jerimi Paul <paul9454@u.......>
Subject: Vampire Cranes

I've been gone for about a week.  Could someone e-mail me and let me know
how the crane project is going/went?  Did it just sort of fizzle out or
something?

By the way, jeez I've missed you guys.  <;-)

-Jerimi--->paul@u.......

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
flying.  There is an art, or, rather a knack to flying.  The knack lies
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.  Pick a nice
day, it suggests, and try it.  -Douglas Adams

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:49:24 -0800
From:    SIN <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Re: Next Year's Geminis

At 09:39 PM 3/24/96 -0500, you wrote:
>What about Nigel for "Fever".  I can't get that "my people, my children..."
>speech out of my head.  It may be the most powerful five minutes in the
>history of the show.
>
I agree.  That speech reverberates in my head as well.  Nigel is incredible.

      Cousin Cherri                          Valentine, Sime/Gen, FKLFE
      <cdmunoz@e.......>                      NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
      I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one.    <LaCroix-Father's Day>
      Save FK:  http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
       Thought for the HL WAR:  Sleep?  We don't need no stinkin' SLEEP!

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:07:08 -0500
From:    Bobbie Williams <UserKnight@a.......>
Subject: More rumors

Hi all,
I just got back from a Star Trek con in Cleveland where I spoke to Dave
McDonnell, the editor of "Starlog" magazine.  He had given a slide
presentation earlier in the day, regarding the rumors and gossip surrounding
many of the current sci-fi programs, one of which was FK.  During the
presentation he was rather ambiguous about the fate of our beloved program,
so I cornered him after the costume contest (around 11:00 p.m.) and asked him
straight out what the scoop was on FK.  He told me, (and said I could quote
him on this) "I have no idea.  I know it was cancelled by USA, but we have
never received any official notice of cancellation from TriStar.  They simply
won't talk to us."  I asked him about the rumor concerning the third party
buy out, and again, he had no information.  He said something to the effect
that as far as he knew, FK has not been cancelled.  He also added that he
hopes they do decide to renew it for a fourth season (he really seemed to
like the show) and complimented me on my flyer (which I had left on the
freebie table.  I had 180 of them, and there were about 50 left today when I
left Cleveland!!)  I also passed around a petition and got about 50 people to
sign it.  I'm going to another con this weekend and will get more signatures.

So, again, it appears that if an official decision has been made, no one is
talking (or at least not to "Starlog.")

Also, this is off-topic, but I was eavesdropping on a conversation Dave was
having at the table next to me in the hotel restaurant--heard some
interesting news re: X-Files--Skinner is getting a love interest!!!  I'm a
very happy Skinner fan!!!

Hope this is somewhat encouraging--I tried my best to find out who the third
party was, but Dave truly didn't know anything.  I guess TPTB are ignoring
everyone--even those who could help the show.

Forever a Knightie,
Bobbie (UserKnight@a.......)
"Out of the spirit, into the flesh/The animal heartbeat in the chest
The naked desire/The appetite/But you remember the light"

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:14:17 -0500
From:    Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Sci-Fi Buzz & misc. stuff

Cynthia Hoffman (choff@v.......) asked where else she might
send an SOS-FK press kit:

I definitely think we should work on Sci-Fi Buzz to see if they can give
FK some more airtime now that FK is moving to their channel.  I see this
as a great opportunity to get more new viewers -- and I know it works,
because as I've noted before, the only reason I watched FK in the first
place is because of an interview with GWD on Sci-Fi Buzz early last
year.  (Actually, what got me to find the show on my local station were
GWD's comments in the Sci-Fi Buzz interview that the show had lines like
"you cling to your paganism like lichen to a stone." I thought any show
with dialogue like that would have to be a hoot to watch!  Little did I
know what I was getting myself into....)

Anyway... Someone asked about the snail-mail address for Sci-Fi Buzz.  I
looked at my tape of this week's Sci-Fi Buzz and couldn't find an
address.  But there is a phone number for the Sci-Fi Buzzboard -- [Phone
number removed].  Does anyone who lives in or near that area code want to call
and see if you can talk to a real person and get an address for Cynthia?
I also looked at the Sci-Fi Channel's web site (http://www.scifi.com) to
find a snail-mail address for Sci-Fi Buzz, but no such luck.  I suppose
that mail sent to the Sci-Fi Channel's address in New York would probably
be forwarded to the show's producers.

On other topics....

Cousin Laurie CF said:
> As with most things in this world, rightly or wrongly, brute power wins.

Sheesh, I sure hope this isn't the new motto for the Cousins.  Granted it
seems to reflect *some* of what LaCroix believes, but his motto seems to
be either "quid pro quo" or "family first" or something like that.

Ahem.  A request.  Laurie, Sandra, stop distracting Jamie -- she seems to
be so busy replying to your posts that she hasn't had time to work on a
continuation/sequel/ prequel/whatever for her fiction piece "Work in
Progress"!!  And I want *more*!!!!

Jamie -- visited your animated web sites and I think genuflecting is
totally insufficient.  You are the Webgoddess... what sacrifice would you
like presented at your altar?  Oh, right, probably some letters to TPTB!

Gehirn Karies said:
> Nat tries to get him to follow her regimines, protien shakes, vitamins,
> sun ****ing bed, EATING, nibbling, not drinking any blood.  But does
> he do it?   No, no, no, no, no, no, he can't even remember to take
> his vitamins.  And the minute her back is turned, he's at the bottle.

Well, gosh, if I told you to give up eating the only food you could
digest, drink some foul-tasting indigestible sludge, spend time every day
in a bed that gave off radiation that might make you spontaneously
combust, and take pills that made you so sick that you started spinning
around the room wildly, how long would *you* keep it up?

I think even Nat has given up on the idea that Nick can be brought back
across just by not drinking blood.  You'd think she would have gotten the
hint long ago, when he went over the deep end in "Feeding the Beast"
after trying to go cold-turkey.

On the topic of list addiction, here is a quote for the day, from the
c|net newsletter <dispatch@c.......>, Digital Dispatch Vol. 2, No. 12:

> TOP TEN SIGNS YOU'RE TALKING TO A PC SLACKER
> [snip]
> 9. "I don't need to unsubscribe to any of these mailing lists. It only
> takes me a couple of hours a day to read the postings."

Which just seemed oh so appropriate, given Jamie's recent contest with
some others on FORKNI-L with "most time spent online."  :^)  I myself have
resorted to eating meals in front of the computer while I read my FORKNI-L
and FKSPOILR digests so that I have *some* time left over for other things
in life.  No, I won't call it "real life" -- you guys are very real to me,
too! :^)  I will be very startled if I arrive in Toronto for the
Shrewthering and find out that in fact many of you do *not* exist, but
rather have been generated by some sort of sophisticated internet
artificial intelligence program.  (If the latter is in fact the case, I
want to know *who* inserted the subroutine involving Uncle in a thong?!?)

OK, this post is too long already, so I'll stop now.  :^)

*  Allison Percy, a perky Knightie             percy91@w.......          *
*    __o                  -- Have angst, will travel --                  *
*  _`\<,_       Now planning the Forever Knight charity bike tour!       *
* (*)/ (*)   see http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html    *
* Shrewthering info: http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/shrew.html *

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:41:02 -0500
From:    Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Cousin's Bar: Official Ingrdient?

On Mar 24, 1996 17:19:05, '"Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>'
wrote:


>> Alora, since you've got that bottle of Vodka handy, how about trying it?

>
>Sounds good to me...now all I've got to do is get my hands on some Ribena.


When you do, couldja let me know where you found it? <g>

After doing Ribena shots at Zillah's (no liquor, just Ribena) I am
discovering that I really really really miss the foul substance'o'death;
and the thought of diluting it with Vodka is unexpectedly appealing.

The WebGoddess needs to get drunk.  No, really.

And somehow, vodka'n'Ribena seems to me to be the perfect drink for
angsting...

--
<------- Jamie M.R. ------ immajer@p....... -------> <- SAME ->
<--The Illustrated Cousin  (but I'm NOT a Cousin)--> <- SIG  ->
<--Cinnamon NatPack/Merc, AthCoS, Asst. Listowner--> <- :-)  ->
<-Photo #1:  Me and Mo', bouncing with the Natpack-> <- DIFF ->
<-Photo #2:  Sharon, making me eat eel and love it-> <- DAY  ->

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Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:57:00 -0600
From:    The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: EYEBROW CHALLENGE: Urs and the Pretty Little Bottle (1/1)

I hereby announce the creation of a new challenge:  THE EYEBROW CHALLENGE.
We've all seen our wonderful Uncle's eyebrows getting more and more absurd
lately, possibly due to some strange vamp virus (didn't it really start
after Fever?) or a renegade crayon.  We are here to cure poor Uncle of his
horrible affliction.  How?  Why, by the same way Tippi gets things done: we
write about it (hi, Tippi!).  So I bring you the first installment in the
Eyebrow Challenge, innocently titled...


URS AND THE PRETTY LITTLE BOTTLE
Susan "Straitjacket Woman" Schaefer
copyright 1996, S. Schaefer
part one of one

     [Story removed; I don't have archiving permission for stories.]

THE END (?)

Flames, comments, virtual straitjackets and Betty Ford discount coupons may
be sent to the address in the sig.







Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
**MSTie Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire**
*I'd be nothing if not cold.*  ~~~Nigel
THE VAMPYRE GRILLE The Secret's In The Sauce!

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