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Digest - 21 Mar 1996 - Special issue

Thu, 21 Mar 1996

There are 33 messages totalling 1121 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Life? I have the list. Who has time for a life?
  2. Cranes Coming Out Of My Ears!
  3. Freeze-Dried Blood
  4. McDs/DTs <g>
  5. Scully: "Please explain to me the scientific nature of the whammy"
  6. Mollin and The Odessey
  7. SciFi Channel
  8. Top 11 signs (2)
  9. More scary drinks . . . (2)
 10. SciFi Channel: Gotta Love 'Em
 11. sony's rating from Magellan
 12. Sony FK Trivia Contest?
 13. Top 11 signs/latest showing
 14. FK in DC
 15. Ribena RDA and Nutritional Info (2)
 16. Who's station airs latest...
 17. Nick&Nat, Nat&LC (2)
 18. Odyssey
 19. Lucky in Houston (2)
 20. Sony e-mail address???
 21. FK time in Nashville, TN? (3)
 22. The Official Cousin's Bartender's Guide
 23. LunaCon Report & CERK update
 24. Demand for the Sci-Fi Channel
 25. Okay, life just officially got strange....
 26. Nat/Janette

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 05:43:11 -0500
From:    Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Life? I have the list. Who has time for a life?

On Mar 21, 1996 00:44:45, 'The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>' wrote:

>><needing a life>
>We all do, dear.  Why else would we spend nine hours a day online?
><ducking>

Nine?  Nine?!?!  You only spend a measly nine hours a day online?  And you
say YOU have no life?

Ah, but then, you're fairly new here, aren't you?  Allow me to introduce
myself.

I'm Jamie.  I've been here since last August.

Twenty-four hours a day.

That's right.  Ask anyone.  They'll tell you.  I'm always here.  I don't go
away.  Not ever.

I have a disability and don't work, so except for doctors' visits and
Forever Knight/list-related trips & parties & events,  I'm always home.
When I'm home, the computer is on.  When the computer is on, I am online.
Period.

I leave my account open at night when I go to sleep; three or four hours
later, when I wake up, all I have to do is roll over, fumble for the mouse,
and I can get my e-mail.  And that is what I do.  Before coffee.  Before
lighting a cigarette.  Before getting out of bed to go to the bathroom.  If
the house were on fire, I would stop to check my e-mail first.

With the exception of my doctors and my lawyer and my mother, everyone I
see is someone I know from HERE.  There are no exceptions.  Everyone I
know, I know from FK.

When I do go away, for list parties and such, I make arrangements to check
my e-mail.  So even when I'm away from my computer... I'm still here.

I'm always here.  I'm never *not* here.  This is my home.

And you say YOU have no life?  Pfeh.  You don't know from "no life".  Now
me, I really have no life.  In fact, I am willing to bet that I have the
least life of anyone on this list.  There is *no one* who has less contact
with conventional reality than I do.  (A fact of which I am actually
inordinately proud...)

I am not merely 'subscribed' to the list.  I am permanently affixed to it.
I am the mildew that forms on the shower curtain, the odd smell that lives
in the back of the refrigerator, the irritating dripping of a leaky faucet
interrupting your thoughts.  I am The Thing That Came To Visit And Wouldn't
Leave: I am ubiquitous.

And 98% of my life (and 100% of the good parts) are right here.  As opposed
to elsewhere.

So there.

Love,

Jamie

(Who is happier with her "no life" than she has ever been in the real
world; and who loves every single person on this list -- even the annoying
ones.)

--
..............Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>..............
Asst. Listowner, SFK WebGoddess, Cinnamon Natpacker, Merc-MIA
"Now??? We're getting strange NOW???" -- Dianne la Mercenaire
****** Sorry, but Jamie is not coherent at the moment. ******
** Check back after her Saturn Return on April Fool's Day. **

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:59:36 -0330
From:    Ngaire Genge <ngenge@n.......>
Subject: Cranes Coming Out Of My Ears!

Hi All,

Well, as I sit here typing this, I've collected all the cranes from our
little chain of paper folders.... But I've lost the address of the person
to send them too!

Pretty as they are, 512 crances are sort of filling up my living space
so, if someone would drop me that address, I'd be really grateful :).
Especially as they've already started round two...

Thanks,
Ngaire

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 06:54:50 CST
From:    Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Re: Freeze-Dried Blood

FO>Lichtenberg's books (Those of My Blood) the vampire survives on dried blood
FO>so it is not a new idea.  Her vamp reconsitutes it with water and warms it
FO>in the microwave.

Ah yes, but I hear from a nurse friend of mine that if you microwave
blood it coagulates.  What happens -- and I hope you haven't recently
eaten, because this is kinda gross --is that the individual little cells
explode.  You know how when you microwave a raw egg (out of the shell)
and the yolk goes kablooey?  Well, the yolk is a single cell, just like
a single red blood cell.  Dontcha just love science? ;)


ObFK:  Divia and Lacroix *are* daughter and father, right?  I watched
AMPH and they act so oddly toward each other.  She, kind of flirtatious
and cold, he kind of distant and alternately... proud.

Wicked Cousin Tippi

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:10:19 EST
From:    Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: McDs/DTs <g>

Quoth MJ's evil twin Steven:

>I hereby declare myself to be a "McD", perhaps the first to openly state
>that Lisa deserves a following all her own.  T-shirts, Underroos,

Quoth Lisa McDavid (me):

Urk!! Thank you very much, but Uncle would kill me and I don't mean
bring me over. When he says the Cousins should branch out, he means
as in hostile take-overs. :)

Besides, in the next war, are you sure you want to be following someone
who gets drunk and not only goes along when Alma steals Janette's Alfa
Romeo, but also lets Alma *drive*?

Further quoth Steven:

>affiliation pins, shampoo, car wax, and other assorted items will be
>arriving in your store shortly, all with Lisa's bright face plastered
>prominently on their surfaces.

Well, ok, but if it's the way I look at the moment after setting a
record for length of time between alarm clock and actually getting up,
people will think they're shark repellant. :)

Thank you very much for the thought, Steven.

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."  (See -- I told you it would
Lisa McDavid                             be!)
mcdavid-lisa@s.......

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:31:57 -0500
From:    Ray Heuer <RayHeuer@a.......>
Subject: Re: Scully: "Please explain to me the scientific nature of the whammy"

Dear Kathy,

     There is no "scientific" basis for the term.  It is a widely used slang
term for a curse of bad luck.  Screed obviously was using the term to refer
to what I call "Vampire Charm" or hypnotism.  Casey Stengel (a baseball
manager of the 50s and 60s) used to put the "whommy", as he called it, on
opposing teams.  In the Li'l Abner comic strips, Evil-Eye Fleegle had a
variety of whammys (whammies?) for a variety of prices.
     I'm not sure, but I believe that Evil-Eye Fleegle was the originator of
the term "triple-whammy".

     Whatever the reference, the term seems to be used mostly by low-brow,
lower-class, or uncultured persons.  I can't imagine LaCroix, for example,
using the term.

     May you be forever protected from whammys

  -- Ray
    Newly-realized member of the Nat Vamp Camp

     Rage!  Rage!  Against the dying of the Knight!

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:46:26 -0500
From:    Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Mollin and The Odessey

In a message dated 96-03-20 23:14:58 EST, Fred wrote:

>I scored The ODYSSEY last year while I scored TEKWAR and FOREVER KNIGHT
>(while sneaking in a few OUTER LIMITS!)

Just never know where he'll turn up....

Carrie, listening with pleasure

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:46:24 -0500
From:    Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: SciFi Channel

In a message dated 96-03-21 01:38:13 EST, Susan wrote:

>What about local channels?  Like Tulsa channel six?
>
>
Tulsa channel 6 has shown all the episodes so far that USA has not, as far as
I can tell, all of the syndies will show the last four (only four unreleased
now).

You probably already know this, I'm just brain dead, 'scuse me.

Carrie

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 05:42:21 PST
From:    June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Top 11 signs

Allison wrote:
:OK, new contest -- whose local station shows FK the latest?  I challenge
:anyone to beat Philadelphia's new time slot.  It was on at 2:45am this
:past Monday morning.  Even *I* didn't want to stay up that late.  Wait,
:my clock says it's well after 2:45am now... Maybe my body is trying to
:adjust to FK time!

Here in the Portland/Vancouver area we see FK (in addition to the 1am USA
late Thursday/early Friday) on KPDX. We have a wonderful programming manager
named Sherry who even calls us before they make a schedule change. However,
we see it at 3:30am (Sherry calls it Thursday night, I call it Friday
morning.) When Sherry told me she had "good news, it's in a better time", I
was hoping for either something like 7am or MN or something. But I'm not
sure that 3:30am is any better than the 4:30am it was. (Still, it's better
than nothing!)

Kat

Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat    kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:16:37 -0500
From:    Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@u.......>
Subject: Re: Top 11 signs

On Thu, 21 Mar 1996, June Russell wrote:

> Allison wrote:
> :OK, new contest -- whose local station shows FK the latest?  I challenge
> :anyone to beat Philadelphia's new time slot.  It was on at 2:45am this
> :past Monday morning.  Even *I* didn't want to stay up that late.  Wait,
> :my clock says it's well after 2:45am now... Maybe my body is trying to
> :adjust to FK time!

WJBK-TV2 shows FK 1:00 am, Sunday mornings (2:00 am if they have
boxing on during prime time); and 4:00 am Friday mornings.

Thank goodness for VCRs.

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:30:46 -0500
From:    Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: More scary drinks . . .

Re Ever Clear alcohol, Susan wrote:
>*190* proof, actually.  My dad uses it to clean circuitry (no residue).
>Note:  Do NOT try to light this stuff.  You will lose your eyebrows.

Maybe this is the answer to LaCroix's ever-growing caterpillar brows! <vbeg>

Stephanie

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Date:    Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:15:46 EST
From:    MS SHIRLEY A CLINE <VUYX56A@p.......>
Subject: Re: SciFi Channel: Gotta Love 'Em

Jamie Melody Randell, Web Goddess Extraordinaire said:
<<And yes, I will make up a fresh batch of Warm Fuzzies for the SciFi
Network.>>
     You might want to include Sci-Fi/Buzz in this too. They have lots
of interesting stuff on their set already. Maybe they could be
convinced that doing a story on FK and/or the SOSFK effort would be a
good idea. They cover so much fan stuff as it is, this would be perfect
for them. I'm sure they could put a spin on it that would keep their
bosses from losing face. 'Course *we* would know better.
     Anyone have an address for the show? I'd like to write them about
FK. If not, I'll catch the show over the weekend and (hopefully) get it
then.

Cousin Shirl <vuyx56a@p.......> A-Negative FoFoD
///"You can have my isolation, you can have the hate that it brings,
You can have my absence of faith, You can have my everything"--"Closer"
by Nine Inch Nails///

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:31:45 -0500
From:    "Gaylin J. Walli" <gjwalli@m.......>
Subject: sony's rating from Magellan

Okay, my rant about Sony's webpage and I promise I won't
do it again.

The Unofficial FK Home Page is pretty cool. We get lots of
traffic, lots of compliments, and in general, we have a
decent site. Lots are better, lots are worse, but it does it`s
job.

Magellan, from the McKinley group, contacts me about this award
they're giving the Unofficial FK Home Page. And I think to myself,
"Hey, this is really cool. Good solid company. Decent award.
I think we've done good work. 3 stars is something to be really
really proud of."

So what does Sony get for a rating?

4 stars.

Why? I mean seriously? Not because I'm jealous, which I'm not.
They're home page has a different purpose entirely from the
fan FK page I've worked on. But what about they're home page
for FK really deserves that fourth star? The pretty graphical
interface? I dunno. I suppose if they're getting rated on the
purpose of they're webpage (which I think is simply to inform
fans of upcoming eps and current cast) then they've done a
damn good job of that. But if you look at the rating criteria
that Magellan has set forth, it seems that there just should
be...well...that there should be *more* to the Sony website.

Here's what I want Sony do do.

I want them to acknowledge the fans more prominently, especially
in terms of their contributions to the show and their efforts in
helping the Pediatric Aids Foundation. I want to see this info
right smack dab on th4e front page of the FK stuff.

I want them to list the links to other FK pages, not just
generic vampire stuff. Plenty of other shows' "Official" web
pages do this. Does Sony/Tristar have some company policy
against it? I dunno. Most of my mail concerning this has been
totally ignored. They list the fan clubs, so why not the Web Clubs?
It seems this would be *good* PR, no?

I want Sony to tell me where they got some of the timeline
information. I think, personally, that some bright whizpuck found
the Flashback Timeline that Valerie did and that I posted on the
Unofficial page. And then I think said whizpuck altered enough to
do the historical timeline (minus costuming commentary) for their
page. The fact that They might have visited, really makes me feel
honored. But SHE was the one who figured out some of those hard-
to-place locations that happen in one room or are difficult to
puzzle out. And JP and the rest of the cast and crew has told
us THERE IS NO BIBLE. So who at Sony/Tristar's been talking to
JP? Cause that's the only place I can think of for them to get
that kind of direct info. (Even NB has problems remembering
which episode is which, sometimes, so I don't think the cast is
the source of this info at all.)

Ah hell. This has gone on long enough. I very firmly believe
that Sony has done some really great things for us. They do
deserve some thanks for all their efforts. But I think some
of the stuff we've been privy to, we shouldn't have been. Some
of the stuff we've discovered, found out, been told, is ugly
realistic big business. And business is War. If we can't face the
realities of that, folks, then we shouldnt' be nosing around
unless we're prepared to see it in it's full naked glory,
warts and all.

Forever I remain,

Jasmine, Faithful Ravenette, gjwalli@m.......
Keep of the First, Unofficial, Award-Winning FK Home Page at:
        http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/fktoc.html

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:44:08 +0000
From:    Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: Sony FK Trivia Contest?

On 19 Mar 96 at 20:31, MS IDALIA KAKESAKO wrote:

>... found references to a trivia contest.  Entries were due on
>Oct. 31, 1995, & you could win. . . a hat.  <restrain your excitement, please>
> Still, I'm wondering:  did anyone here win?  Did anyone,
> anywhere win?
>
>

Yes, several people "here" won, myself included. The hat in question
sit atop my computer monitor even as we speak.


Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker (ktobin@t......., http://www.tiac.net/users/ktobin)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:51:57 -0500
From:    Jill Marie Spetoskey <jilkey@u.......>
Subject: Re: Top 11 signs/latest showing

On Thu, 21 Mar 1996, Allison Percy wrote:

>
> OK, new contest -- whose local station shows FK the latest?  I challenge
> anyone to beat Philadelphia's new time slot.  It was on at 2:45am this
> past Monday morning.  Even *I* didn't want to stay up that late.  Wait,
> my clock says it's well after 2:45am now... Maybe my body is trying to
> adjust to FK time!
>
 Detroit has it's second showing from 4-5 am.  Don't know if you want to
count it though because we actually can see an earlier broadcast.

Jill Marie
jilkey@u.......

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:55:56 -0500
From:    Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: FK in DC

Forever Knight's new time slot on WBDC-50 in Washington DC will be
Thursday night at midnight (really Friday morning at midnight) indefinitely.

                  Katja Stokley    -*-    cstokley@g.......
            -*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:58:41 -0500
From:    "Gaylin J. Walli" <gjwalli@m.......>
Subject: Ribena RDA and Nutritional Info

With all the talk of Ribena, I thought this information I've had
on the Unofficial FK Home Page might be interesting to many of
you.

I am told that Ribena is often available in Oriental markets,
specifically grocery stores catering to immigrants from Hong Kong or
Malaysia. One brand to look for is by Smith-Kline Beacham, in Brentford,
Middlesex, England. Their exclusive supplier is The Gilway Company,
Ltd., 299 Forest Ave., Paramus, NJ 07652. They sell a 32 oz. and 16 oz.
bottle, both in concentrated form (and I'm told with a new non-drip cap).

The following appears on the label: [Her Majesty's Official Seal] By
appointment to Her Majesty The Queen, Suppliers of Lucozade and Shloer,
Beechamn Products, Brentford, Middlesex. The ingredients are as follows:

Water, sugar, blackcurrant juice, glucose syrup, citric acid, vitamins
(C, Niacin, B6, B12), preservatives (sodium benzoate, sodium
metabisulfite), natural color (grapeskin color).

Nutritional Information per Serving:
Serving size            1.5 fl. oz.     Protein         0
(3 Tablespoonfuls)                      Carbohydrates   35g
Servings per container  21              Fat             0
Calories                140             Sodium          15mg

Percentage of U.S. Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA):
Vitamin C -- 100%, Vitamin B12 -- 34%, Niacin -- 31%, Vitamin B6 -- 33%,
Contains less than 2% of the US RDA of Protein, Vitamin A, thiamin,
Riboflavin, Calcium, and Iron.

There's also a warning notice:

*Important* Ribena should always be given to babies and children in
diluted form, never undiluted in a bottle.  For young children, always
dilute with at least 6 parts of water.


Enjoy!

Jasmine, Faithful Ravenette, gjwalli@m.......

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:56:52 +0000
From:    Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: More scary drinks . . .

On 20 Mar 96 at 23:44, Bonnela Pardoe wrote:

> Just for the record, grenadine is a syrup made from pomegrante juice and
> it's what makes a Shirley Temple more than just a pricey 7-Up.
>

...and pomegranates are traditionally the food of the dead, which
makes grenadine a HIGHLY appropriate substitute for Ribena and would
enable one to order any of these drinks in an actual bar!

Hmm!  This could be the beginning off a whole new drinks menu at THe
Raven...


Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker (ktobin@t......., http://www.tiac.net/users/ktobin)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:00:16 -0500
From:    Kim Bjarkman <flowper@o.......>
Subject: Re: Who's station airs latest...

Allison Percy wrote:

> OK, new contest -- whose local station shows FK the latest?  I challenge
> anyone to beat Philadelphia's new time slot.  It was on at 2:45am this
> past Monday morning.

Here goes.  It alternates between 2:05 & *3:05* am on the Indianapolis
FOX station.  But I don't wake up until midnight anyway....

Kim B.
flowper@o.......

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:19:04 -0800
From:    LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick&Nat, Nat&LC

Jamie wrote:

>Hi, Laurie!

Hi, Jamie! :-)

>Well, as you know, I completely and totally and vehemently disagree
>with you.

So, what else is new? :-)  (I liked it a lot better when you were a
Cousin.)

To clarify:  I just happen to think, as I said way back when in my
original spoilers on the episode (BMV), that Nick is far too
narcissistic (i.e, self-absorbed and not in a good way) to leave room
for anyone else.

>While I see a tremendous chemistry between Nat and LaCroix, I think
>there's an extremely strong tie between Nick and Nat, one that
>encompasses not only love but friendship as well.

No disagreement there;  in fact that's what I said in my prior post on
the subject.  I certainly believe there friendship between Nick and
Nat.  I think they are buddies, compadres, whatever.  And I do believe
that a *friendship* can evolve into something stronger over time.
Whether or not theirs has -- different answers on different days, imo.

BUT - imo there was immediate sexual attraction (and sparks flying)
when Nat and LC met for the first time.  I don't think the same could
be said of Nick and Nat in their early encounters. (Granted, their
first encounter didn't lend itself to that, but from what we've seen of
them, IF one wants to argue there is anything more than friendship
there, it is something that evolved over time.  It was not an immediate
*chemical* reaction, as with Nat and LaCroix.)

> Of course, that relationship's more than a little strained at this
>point -- considering the fact that Nick's been a total bitch to Nat
>this season, this is a given -- but there's still that feeling of
>intimacy between them.

No argument there.

>By contrast, the tie between Nat and LaCroix seems to me to comprise
>more of a contest, a battle of wills, a struggle for power.

I don't recall saying that Nat and LaCroix are friends (wary
adversaries is probably more like it); and they barely know each other,
unlike Nick and Nat, so *intimacy* is out of the question.  They are
bound together in the fight over Nick's heart, mind and soul, so I
suppose I would agree with you there.

>While that sort of power struggle makes for interesting viewing,
>wonderful fiction, it also creates terrible relationships to have to
>live through.

Well, of course sexual attraction alone is imo a rotten basis for a
relationship, so I don't necessarily disagree with you there.  People
can be almost violently attracted to each other, yet spend all their
time (out of bed) fighting.  Course some relationships seem to work
okay that way anyhow;  some don't.

My problem is that I don't think we've seen nearly enough of LC and Nat
interacting together to really know how they would respond to each
other in an actual, ongoing relationship.  (Which has the advantage
that you can write pretty much anything you want for fictional
purposes, but when you try to critique the relationship *for real*, you
run into problems.  At least, I do.)

Frankly, I don't really know how a relationship between Nat and LC
would be evolve over time (even though I'm writing one. <g>. I'll let
you know what I think when I see where this story takes me :-)).

>Between Nick and Nat, there's a comfort level (despite all obstacles)
>that Nat and LaCroix could never achieve.

You see, this is where I disagree with you.  I don't think we've seen
enough of Nat and LC together to know the answer.  It is possible that
they are too much alike to easily co-exist;  I recognize that.  But I'm
not sure.

And although Nick and Nat are *comfortable* together, imo that will
remain true only as long as the status quo lasts.  I don't see them
remaining together if he ever became mortal, at least not for long.  He
is, imo, primarily attracted to her mortality, not to her.  Once he
achieved that, problems would almost immediately set in.

Every time I've written a Nick-becomes-mortal story, Nick and Nat end
up apart, and Nick eventually goes hunting for Janette and/or LC.  So,
I guess that's pretty much how I see that situation. :-)  (These
particular stories have never been posted and probably never will be,
because they've never been finished.)

>Note that I'm not saying that Nick and Nat are necessarily perfect for
>each other: I'm of the opinion that Nat would outgrow Nick's rather
>limited outlook in short order, whereas LaCroix and Nat would
>endlessly challenge each other.

I think that's part of what I was just saying. Or something like it.

>But I do believe that Nat and Nick have a far greater chance of
>achieving *happiness* for a longer time than any other pairing.  Nat
>and LaCroix?  Too much conflict.

Again, I must disagree with you on this.  There are relationships that
thrive on conflict.  My parents *fought* (screamed, yelled, etc.,
nothing physical) with each other all the time, and yet they absolutely
adored each other and were incredibly happy together.  My father has a
VERY strong personality, and my mother felt that the only way to assert
her sense of self was to confront him.  Frequently. :-)  But they never
ceased loving each other, were always there for each other, and never
took the fighting personally.

My husband and I are fairly similar. We're both very strong
personalities;  we therefore spar verbally all the time, and for much
the same reasons I believe that my parents did.  But we don't take it
personally, and it doesn't interfere with our feelings for each other.

All of which, come to think of it, may have a lot to do with why I can
see LaCroix and Nat together.  :-)  Since we all do bring our personal
baggage to whatever we watch.


LaurieCF
Romani quidem artem amatoriam invenerunt.
Pila in area tua est. :-) :-) :-)

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:16:14 EST
From:    Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Odyssey

Is this the Canadian show that was first titled "The Jelly Bean
Odyssey" and is about the fantastic adventures of a boy in another
dimension while his body is in a coma?

If so, according to Nigel at Crescent City Con last year, the boy is
played by the same kid who played Daniel in Father Figure (first
season.)

Nigel said it was no use asking if Daniel would be back, because the
kid was now a star and making more money than Nigel was. :)

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:24:42 CST
From:    Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Lucky in Houston

Yikes, with the times for FK broadcast that people keep citing, perhaps
a more appropriate contest would be "who airs FK the earliest?"  I mean,
some of these times are 3 AM, 4 AM and beyond!  We here in Houston are
verrrry lucky!  We get Highlander at 9 PM followed by FK at 10 PM on
Saturdays.  The downside is we also get multiple airings of Baywatch a
week...

Wicked Cousin Tippi
(WickedOne@h....... or TippiNB@a.......)

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:19:56 CST
From:    Wicked One <WickedOne@h.......>
Subject: Ribena RDA and Nutritional Info

Yeesh!  140 calories for 1.5 oz of Ribena??  When I was in Allen, TX a
few weeks ago, we had a mini-FK party and saw a first season ep.  We all
remarked that everyone seemed a bit... thinner... back then (hell, so
was I!) and I or someone supposed, "Maybe blood is fattening?"  Then we
wondered if it was beer that was the guilty culprit.  But it wasn't!  It
was Ribena all along!  Bad Ribena, bad!

Wicked Cousin Tippi

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:29:45 -0600
From:    Crystal Guffey <guffeyc@t.......>
Subject: Sony e-mail address???

Can anyone give me the Sony e-mail address? When I tried to, I tried to
answer the survey and it had a bad html. I have tried several times and
it is always messed up. I can access the questions, but can't answer. So,
Crystal, A Vaquera

Guffeyc@t.......
You may say, I'm a dreamer...but I'm not the only one...
I thought that I'd send them a letter. I have my answers ready. Thanks!

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:33:02 -0600
From:    Crystal Guffey <guffeyc@t.......>
Subject: FK time in Nashville, TN?

Can anyone tell me what time and what channel FK comes on in Nashville,
TN? Thanks...

Crystal, A Vaquera
Guffeyc@t.......
You may say, I'm a dreamer...but I'm not the only one...

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Date:    Fri, 22 Mar 1996 09:52:57 -0800
From:    April Ruskin <aruskin@e.......>
Subject: Re: Lucky in Houston

Wicked One wrote:
We here in Houston are
> verrrry lucky!  We get Highlander at 9 PM followed by FK at 10 PM on
> Saturdays.
> Wicked Cousin Tippi

Oooo! I could just kill you!

Anyone know how I can get transferred to a college in Houston? Full
scolarship of course.

--
Cousin April -- the Ninja Babe with an attitude
aruskin@e.......
Direct Descendant of Martians -- and PROUD of it!!

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:48:55 +0000
From:    Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: FK time in Nashville, TN?

On 21 Mar 96 at 10:33, Crystal Guffey wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what time and what channel FK comes on in Nashville,
> TN? Thanks...


I sent this info to Crystal.


Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker (ktobin@t......., http://www.tiac.net/users/ktobin)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:07:12 -0500
From:    Wendy Gleason <wgleason@m.......>
Subject: Re: The Official Cousin's Bartender's Guide

On Thu, 21 Mar 1996, The Other Immortal wrote:

> >Uncle on the beach
> >I know, it would have to be at night, but I love the beach at night.  Much
> >nicer than during the day.
>
> How about Sex With Uncle on the Beach?
>
> Off I go with my dirty little mind again...
>
> Cousin "Susan" Phoenix, The Cousin Who Ate All The Sushi In Japan (She
> Wishes)       phoenix@i.......
> ***MSTie Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire*** *I'd be nothing if not
 cold.*
> "Great spirits have always received violent opposition from mediocre minds."
>           ~~~Albert Einstein
>

You read my mind.  That was what I was thinking when I first posted
that.  How did you know?

Wendy

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:20:41 -0600
From:    Ninianne <copelasa@v.......>
Subject: Re: FK time in Nashville, TN?

At 10:33 AM 21-03-96 -0600, Crystal Guffey wrote:
>Can anyone tell me what time and what channel FK comes on in Nashville,
>TN? Thanks...

WXMT chan 30, Viacom 14.  Fri/ early Sat, 1:30 AM

Samantha

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|                http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~copelasa/               |
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|                  Cute?  I can do cute.   --- Methos                    |
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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:22:24 -0500
From:    Ronni Katz <Questinc@a.......>
Subject: LunaCon Report & CERK update

Hi all!

Went to LunaCon in Rye NYC.  I brought with me a BOX full of NATPE Forever
Knight bags which the Con Comm really loved!  Turns out their bag supplier
scrapped out on them and I (and all the Fk fans who helped pay for these
things!) saved the day for them!  They were VERY appreciative and thought the
bags were great!  Turns out some Lunarians are fans and showed up at my FK
Party on Saturday night!  There weren't as many FK fans in general at the Con
itself but I ran into a few.  Never was able to do the booth to raise money
for PAF because all the volunteers I had lined up in January cancelled out on
me in MArch.  Oh, well....

There is another Con in NY area in April called I-CON held at SUNY
Stonybrook.  I can't go - all my $ is now tied up in going up to TO to see
Ger's play and in a down payment on my first home!  Yes, the Enforcer is
buying a Condo in NJ and I close Memorial Day weekend!!!! YAY!  The little
Knightie who lives with me (my 6 year old daughter!) is thrilled to have a
place with a yard to play in (anyone who was at my FK party knows I live in a
mousehole of an apartment! <vbg>).  Will keep all posted...

CERK Publicity news...

The T's are in!!  Have mailed out the first batch of orders already.  I have
only 1 2XL left in stcok and first come first served with this!  it is $16
btw post paid.  Have lOTS of Large $ XL T's and long sleeve t's left!  T's
are $15 and long sleeves are $22./  Sweatshirts are only XL and these are
$22.  ALL PRICES POST PAID
Send check or MO payable to Ron Katz to [Address removed]

I will bring shirts & stuff to the Shrewthering if I have any left by then or
if people insist ;)

OBFK: Still waiting for the rest of season 3.  Anyone have a clue when teh
reruns on syndication end???  Also waiting to see if The Kindred is any good.
 Doubt it will be as good as FK (few things on TV are!) but I'm a vampire fan
so I'll watch it and see.

Ron the Enforcer
CERK Publicist
Questinc@a.......

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 13:27:21 -0500
From:    Chana Rossman <bonney@i.......>
Subject: Demand for the Sci-Fi Channel

I just called my cable company's district office.  The very
nice woman who answered my call told me that the cable
company has had a tremendous number of requests for the
Sci-Fi Channel within the last few weeks.  (I had to grin
with FK-pride as I pondered just how many of those calls
could have come from one of us!)  She gave me the name and
address of the people to write to in my cable company
to request the channel.  Even more amazingly, she actually
*encouraged* me (repeatedly) to write!  :-)

Thinking positively,
Chana

PS -- alas, it also does lend support to the theory that USA
moved FK to the Sci-Fi channel just to increase the Sci-Fi
channel's market share.

PPS -- Hmmm, now that I think about it -- maybe the woman who
took my call is one of us... ;-)

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 13:48:31 -0500
From:    Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject: Okay, life just officially got strange....

Okay, guys.  Sorry for wasting bandwidth, but I need to know:

*Who mailed me the Hershey's Kisses*?!

It's driving me nuts! :)  Did you know it was my birthday on Monday, or is
this just for some random reason I don't even know about yet?  Do I have to
start looking up old classmates and pestering non-Forkni email buddies for
the identity?

ObSOSFK:  Does anyone else wonder:  *Whose* leafletted mail brought the
*thirty-five* extra subscribers into Annmarie's (formerly Dianne's) loop?
<VWG>

Felicia Bollin
AriCon@a.......
Ravenette/Immortal Beloved with the "secret" admirer (??)

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 13:51:45 -0500
From:    Loose Cannon <LoosCanN@a.......>
Subject: Nat/Janette

The Goddess of the Web commented:

>The only pairing I see as having a greater potential for achieving
>long-term happiness is... Natalie and Janette.  *zzznip*
>But there's no splinter fraction for that... and if there ever is, I do NOT
>want to go on record as being the person to suggest it, thank you very
>much.

Actually, this faction already exists, but as it consists of one person, it
is a tiny, tiny little splinter.  (You know, that almost invisible kind that
you just can't get out, but sends a spear of agony up your arm every time you
use the finger that it's in.)

I'm sure our "Lone Nanette", Patrick Aiex, would be very happy to have some
company, but then he'd have to change his sig.  (That would please dear
Cousin Celeste, and I'm sure we *all* want to keep her happy.  ;)
 (ObEmoticon))

Sigless and sinless,
  Leslie GrantSmith

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Date:    Thu, 21 Mar 1996 13:53:59 -0500
From:    Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Nick&Nat, Nat&LC

On Mar 21, 1996 07:19:04, 'LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>' wrote:

>So, what else is new? :-)  (I liked it a lot better when you were a
>Cousin.)

You and the rest of the world; but times change. :-)  Nowadays, I bounce.

>To clarify:  I just happen to think, as I said way back when in my
>original spoilers on the episode (BMV), that Nick is far too
>narcissistic (i.e, self-absorbed and not in a good way) to leave room
>for anyone else.

True.  But Nat has done more to break through that solid wall of
self-absorption than anyone else.  She's forced him to see other points of
view despite himself; and in his own muddled way, I think that's one of the
things Nick treasures about her.

>I certainly believe there friendship between Nick and
>Nat.  I think they are buddies, compadres, whatever.  And I do believe
>that a *friendship* can evolve into something stronger over time.
>Whether or not theirs has -- different answers on different days, imo.

Imo, friendship is the ONLY solid base on which to build ANY relationship.
N&N have more than that; they've established a certain trust -- to the
degree that either of them ever trusts anyone.  Which is nothing short of
miraculous.

>BUT - imo there was immediate sexual attraction (and sparks flying)
>when Nat and LC met for the first time.  I don't think the same could
>be said of Nick and Nat in their early encounters.

Well, there were certainly sparks flying, although if you mentioned "sexual
attraction" to Nat, she'd probably a) laugh incredulously and b) tear your
head off...  Which does not necessarily mean that the feeling isn't
present, only that you'd never get her to admit it if it was.  Regardless,
both of them are far too emotionally guarded to ever let attraction (of any
sort) become intimacy (of any sort) which sort of precludes anything more
significant than friction... of any sort.

>IF one wants to argue there is anything more than friendship
>there, it is something that evolved over time.  It was not an immediate
>*chemical* reaction, as with Nat and LaCroix.)

Oh, no no no no no.  I completely disagree.  You couldn't be more wrong.  I
saw it; I definitely saw it between 'em.  There was a DEFINITE instant
mutual attraction btwn. Nick & Nat -- which is, I think, the ONLY reason
Nick bothered sticking around afterwards.

>considering the fact that Nick's been a total bitch to Nat
>this season, this is a given -- but there's still that feeling of
>intimacy between them.
>No argument there.

No argument over what?  The intimacy, or Nick being a bitch?

>I don't recall saying that Nat and LaCroix are friends (wary
>adversaries is probably more like it)

And the fact is, they make terrific adversaries; they're almost perfectly
matched.  Except that Nat is a little more self-aware than LaCroix, so in
the final outcome, she'd probably win.

>Frankly, I don't really know how a relationship between Nat and LC
>would be evolve over time (even though I'm writing one. <g>. I'll let
>you know what I think when I see where this story takes me :-)).

You've read my fiction; you know that my favorite pasttime is taking canon
and kicking it into the stratosphere to see where it orbits. <g>  I
definitely see any relationship between them as being interesting, whatever
form it might take.  Even within the limited realm of the series, we've
watched them develop a sort of mutual respect for each other; the
beginnings of realization that both of them are essential to Nick, that he
needs both of them, whether any of 'em like it or not.  (I'm thinking NiQ,
SoB...)  Esp. in third season, it's as if they represent the duality of
Nick's existence: the vampire half and the human half -- each with its
separate hopes and fears, more alike than either wants to admit.

But I believe that in this vital way, Nick is equally essential to them;
and no relationship between Nat and LaCroix could happen without Nick in
the equation somewhere.  He is That Which Links Them Together.  Without
him, there are sparks, but no fire.

>And although Nick and Nat are *comfortable* together...I don't see them
>remaining together if he ever became mortal, at least not for long.  He
>is, imo, primarily attracted to her mortality, not to her.  Once he
>achieved that, problems would almost immediately set in.

I think that part of Nick's attraction to Nat is her humanity, the same way
part of Nat's attraction to Nick is his alienness.  And I think that part
of the integral machinery of their relationship is comprised of her need to
help him, and his need for acceptance.  But I think there's much more to it
than that; that the love between them would endure and survive beyond his
cure.  Now, there would be OTHER problems -- the fact that Nick is in no
way prepared for humanity -- the fact that Nat would surely outgrow him
swiftly -- but if both of them were prepared to spend the time and effort
working out those problems, their relationship could well flourish.
Whether or not this would happen is anyone's guess.  But I do believe it's
possible that they could find happiness despite the obstacles, because the
underlying love is *there*.

>There are relationships that
>thrive on conflict.  My parents *fought* (screamed, yelled, etc.,
>nothing physical) with each other all the time, and yet they absolutely
>adored each other and were incredibly happy together.

That's a lucky thing for you, but it doesn't necessarily apply on a global
level.  Many people absolutely cannot stand conflict.  They learn to become
used to it, to the point where they sometimes seek to provoke conflict
where there is none, simply because they don't know any other way... but
conflict and the accompanying stress levels literally make them sick,
undermining their sense of security and any chance for lingering
contentment.

And then there are types and types of conflict -- there's the kind where
every new day is a challenge, an exciting adventure, to be faced with one's
beloved partner at one's side -- and then there's the kind where there is
an argument around every corner, where one lives in fear of taking a single
step, lest they stumble into a trap...  Nick's life as a vampire (with and
without LaCroix) has been the latter, and I think he needs and wants the
former.  Same with Nat, and her search for a cure: always, there's some new
stumbling block to be overcome, some new horror to be faced.  I think that
with Nat's encouragement, Nick's acclimation to mortality could become that
grand adventure of new experience for both of them -- imagine what it would
be like, introducing someone to humanity: to sunsets and sunrises and
rainbows, to ice cream and roasted chestnuts and filet mignon, looking at
the world by day through the eyes of one who hadn't seen it in hundreds of
years -- whether either/both of them would meet that potential?  Another of
those unanswerable questions.  How many of us truly live up to our
potential?

>All of which, come to think of it, may have a lot to do with why I can
>see LaCroix and Nat together.  :-)  Since we all do bring our personal
>baggage to whatever we watch.

Granted, although I do strive for a degree of objectivity in my opinions.

Of course, there's really no definitive answer to any of this; the same
person can behave completely differently on two separate days, so every
situation has an unlimited number of possible outcomes.  (That's what
fanfic is for...)  But as always, the debate is interesting.

>LaurieCF
>Romani quidem artem amatoriam invenerunt.
>Pila in area tua est. :-) :-) :-)

Okay, smartass.  Now you can TRANSLATE it.  For those of us who are
scholastically impaired.  :-)

--
..............Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>..............
Asst. Listowner, SFK WebGoddess, Cinnamon Natpacker, Merc-MIA
"Now??? We're getting strange NOW???" -- Dianne la Mercenaire
****** Sorry, but Jamie is not coherent at the moment. ******
** Check back after her Saturn Return on April Fool's Day. **

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